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Post by Lone Wolf on Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:16 am

Mad    A little after midnight yesterday morning [12:35 am their local time ~  3:30 am AEST..], Indonesia executed another 8 drug smugglers ~ including SEVEN foreigners, comprising four Nigerians, two Aussies, and a Brazilian, as well as one Indonesian national...

JUST ANOTHER day in the indonesian legal system, where everyone entering their territories are well aware that drug smuggling carries the death sentence ???
NO DOUBT ~ except that last year the new president Dikidodo was seen showing leniency to terrorists and murderers, while refusing to even consider looking at the drug smugglers who had already served up to TEN years on death row..

AND DESPITE the obvious fact that the drug 'mules' end "victims" aren't innocent ~ drug addicts, especially heroin, ice and cocaine addicts, have chosen their way of life. Nobody forced them down that road.

AND the more that one looks into the details of both thisse latest executions, and some of the events and trials leading up to them, the more disconcerting and uncomfortable that reading becomes..    Surprised

Reuters wrote:
An Indonesian firing squad executed eight convicted drug-traffickers from several countries on Wednesday, prompting Australia to recall its envoy to Jakarta and bringing an angry reaction from Brazil.

The leaders of Australia and Brazil had made personal appeals for clemency for their citizens among the group, raising the stakes for Indonesia's new president, Joko Widodo, who has stepped up the pace of executions since coming to office.

Australia has deep commercial and political ties with its big neighbour, while Brazil has a $5 billion trade surplus with Southeast Asia's biggest economy. Brazil is at risk of losing a major military export deal to Indonesia over the executions row.

"We respect Indonesia's sovereignty but we do deplore what's been done and this cannot be simply business as usual," Prime Minister Tony Abbott told reporters in Canberra, adding that ambassador Paul Gibson would return to Australia by the end of the week.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/28/us-indonesia-executions-idUSKBN0NI2F820150428

READ more @   http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-29/andrew-chan-and-myuran-sukumaran-executed/6426654

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bali-9-executions-more-perfect-says-indonesias-attorneygeneral-20150429-1mwfqx.html

http://news.yahoo.com/indonesia-defends-executions-part-war-drugs-034407992.html

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/the-executions-of-bali-nine-duo-andrew-chan-and-myuran-sukumaran/story-fnh81fz8-1227325701195

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/04/28/world/asia/ap-as-indonesia-executions.html?_r=0

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/bali-nine-executions-australia-may-have-to-simply-ride-out-the-next-four-years-under-joko-widodo-20150430-1mwml4.html

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:16 pm

you havnt got the balls australia, making you no different to anyone else...

everything can be sacrificed to the great god of trade.......

so dont ever again claim to be somehow "special"

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:18 pm

They know the penalty ...

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:31 pm

I agree though that if nobody took those drugs, there would be no market for them, and no need to transport the drugs. The end user can't really blame the traffickers.

I also don't approve of the death penalty. I don't know why people are surprised when they're sentenced to death in countries like Indonesia though.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:16 pm

I've been reading about this, and it's all utterly grim. They seem to treat the bodies with a lot of respect though - nice coffins and everything.

Lindsay Sandiford apparently knew one the Aussie chaps, and she thinks she'll be the next to be executed. She says they should just get on with it.

I can't bear it when people try to smuggle drugs in places like that and then get caught. They must know that they will either spend donkeys years in prison or be executed. Imagine how it must feel when you know you've been caught.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:26 pm

There's an interesting twist though. A woman who was due to be executed with the others was granted a stay of execution when another woman came forward and said that she was the one who tricked the first woman into smuggling drugs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3060871/Pictured-woman-saved-Filipina-death-row-inmate-firing-squad-confessed-duping-house-maid-11th-hour.html

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:50 pm

darknessss wrote:you havnt got the balls australia, making you no different to anyone else...

everything can be sacrificed to the great god of trade.......

so dont ever again claim to be somehow "special"

actually worse than that Evil or Very Mad federal police gave the Indonesians the top off in the first place instead of just arresting them here when they were leaving.

and we openly say we worship the dollar it is reality and confirmed when we joined the Iraq war. that is what makes us special we are honest pirat we don't have the pretense of being 'good' we are a nation founded as a prison colony our first currency was Rum. You guys may be going backwards but we are going forwards because we were so low originally


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cause we normally get them off the hook silent
these executions are unusual, because of the local politics in Indonesia with the current president elected on a tough on crime strong and independent Indonesia platform.. basically he was in between a rock and a hard place. either damage international relations or be seen as weak locally.

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Post by eddie on Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:46 pm

What an awful topic.

But as the saying goes “When you’re in a pickle, get out of the jar because two pickles get you into a pickle”

And that’s word. Cool

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:48 pm

eddie wrote:What an awful topic.

But as the saying goes “When you’re in a pickle, get out of the jar because two pickles get you into a pickle”

And that’s word. Cool

Ah, ancient wisdom there. My wise old great-great-granddaughter used to say that to me when I was just a little old man.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:13 pm

WTF? Why bump this thread? It was a horrific event.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:22 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:WTF? Why bump this thread? It was a horrific event.


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Post by eddie on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:23 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:WTF? Why bump this thread? It was a horrific event.

There are many serious threads - three were posted by us tonight. You don’t have to read anything you don’t like. Don’t you have a sense of fun and fuckery about you, ever? Life is tough and bland at times. I like fucking off to weird places in my mind.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:28 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:WTF? Why bump this thread? It was a horrific event.

There are many serious threads - three were posted by us tonight. You don’t have to read anything you don’t like.  Don’t you have a sense of fun and fuckery about you, ever? Life is tough and bland at times. I like fucking off to weird places in my mind.

Does that answer any of your questions?

If you don’t like what I write you can ignore me.

This is not a subject which should be made fun of. People were tied to crosses and shot. If that's your idea of "fun and fuckery", I'm glad I don't share your sense of humour.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:36 pm

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eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:WTF? Why bump this thread? It was a horrific event.

There are many serious threads - three were posted by us tonight. You don’t have to read anything you don’t like.  Don’t you have a sense of fun and fuckery about you, ever? Life is tough and bland at times. I like fucking off to weird places in my mind.

Does that answer any of your questions?

If you don’t like what I write you can ignore me.

This is not a subject which should be made fun of. People were tied to crosses and shot. If that's your idea of "fun and fuckery", I'm glad I don't share your sense of humour.

I'm glad I don't share yours, to be fair. Everything can be made fun of. No sacred cows, dude.

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Post by eddie on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:38 pm

I guess you could see it that way.

This is how I see it; It is a serious subject but I can make fun about anything because I’m like that and I can’t help it. It doesn’t, however, mean that I don’t take things seriously.

I hope you can see the difference. If you can’t, then there’s nothing to be done but disagree.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:44 pm

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

This is not a subject which should be made fun of. People were tied to crosses and shot. If that's your idea of "fun and fuckery", I'm glad I don't share your sense of humour.

I'm glad I don't share yours, to be fair. Everything can be made fun of. No sacred cows, dude.

If you think that execution is amusing, I'm glad I don't share yours either.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:13 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:

I'm glad I don't share yours, to be fair. Everything can be made fun of. No sacred cows, dude.

If you think that execution is amusing, I'm glad I don't share yours either.

If you don't like the ends, you shouldn't support the means.

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:14 pm

insanity is a state of mind......


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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:57 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If you think that execution is amusing, I'm glad I don't share yours either.

If you don't like the ends, you shouldn't support the means.

What do you mean?

I don't support capital punishment, and I don't find it amusing.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:57 am

eddie wrote:I guess you could see it that way.

This is how I see it; It is a serious subject but I can make fun about anything because I’m like that and I can’t help it. It doesn’t, however, mean that I don’t take things seriously.

I hope you can see the difference. If you can’t, then there’s nothing to be done but disagree.  

You can't help it?

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:28 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

If you don't like the ends, you shouldn't support the means.

What do you mean?

I don't support capital punishment, and I don't find it amusing.

Right. Then don't build more scaffolds and electric chairs, or make phenolic acid.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:04 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

What do you mean?

I don't support capital punishment, and I don't find it amusing.

Right.  Then don't build more scaffolds and electric chairs, or make phenolic acid.

I've never done any of those things.

I can't control what happens in Indonesia or the US, but I can say that I don't approve of people making fun of people being executed. The Indonesian system is quite horrific IMO.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:14 pm

Lindsay Sandiford is still around by the way. She did think she would be executed not long after the Bali nine, but she's still on death row. Apparently, the Indonesians like to plan their rounds of executions so they don't turn into a "soap opera". They probably find it all a bit embarassing and bad for tourism.

Of course I don't approve of drug trafficking, but nobody can force someone to take drugs, so those who do are providing a market for trafficking.

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