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Re: What to do about ISIS - By David Swanson

Post by Guest on Tue 2 Sep 2014 - 19:32

Fuzzy Zack wrote:http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/29/what-to-do-about-isis/

A unique approach which you lefty 'haters' will, hmm what's the word I'm looking for?

Oh yeah, hate.

Made me laugh actually, best load of babble I have heard in a long time, basically blaming Isis completely on the US and making the Iraq Government the main reason for distention in Iraq as guilt free.
Syria, was a well intended approach by decent Muslim to seek real democracy which ha been hijacked by extremists who flocked to the region heavily funded by some of the Arab state, which he clearly chooses to ignore. The west had the right intention to help, which Arab nations was to back Islamists groups, the point he clearly misses and shows how out of touch with reality he is. It was our lack of inaction that allowed these Islamist groups to grow in Syria, where action may have well prevented this, he clearly ignores Russias role also in propping up Assad. The main culprit behind ISIS is the exportation of Wahhabbism from Saudi, all ignored by this lefty chap. It is an even more extremist more violent form of Wahhabism, which to me is one of the biggest problems in the world today ad may want to look at the problem of Theocracies first, which again democratic Muslims rose up against to only be brutally suppressed.

It is also very inaccurate and stating to appease terrorists and extremists who have no problem killing anyone who differs to their extreme form of Islam, sorry, would rather wipe them out, maybe the best approach would be to what we did in Nazi Germany and Japan, obliterate the nations, to then rebuild them, instead of the soft approach which we took the first time. Leave them without industry and just agriculture, no weaponry. So if extremist Muslim want to get tough the west can easily be 1000 times tougher.

He is the sort of pacifist so out of touch with reality, he sees only one side of a problem, and then when it i too late would be wishing he saw sense in the idiocy of his views and is nothing short of a Quisling.

Most people do not hate the left by the way, that is all banter in debates and many Muslims world wide are very Conservative in their views, he may want to look at that first also and problems created by some Arab nations. As I say it is a completely biased load of left wing pacifist twaddle, out of touch with reality. We all want universal peace one day, but that will only happen when people wake up to the fact religious myths that form the highest law in the land are the main issue and have been for centuries.

Maybe he should put these proposals to the people of Iraq and Syria who are facing Isis at the moment and see what they think, because many are very grateful of the support, let me know how he gets on.

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Re: What to do about ISIS - By David Swanson

Post by veya_victaous on Tue 2 Sep 2014 - 19:58

I sort of Agree with Didge

that guy was TOO appeasing and did not lay any of the blame one Muslims and Some does go to Islam as well as the West..

And Really ISIS do need to made an example of, No dealing with them just Annihilation.... The next group Can Offer to deal with the west..... but it is too late for ISIS.

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Re: What to do about ISIS - By David Swanson

Post by Guest on Tue 2 Sep 2014 - 20:12

veya_victaous wrote:I sort of Agree with Didge

that guy was TOO appeasing and did not lay any of the blame one Muslims and Some does go to Islam as well as the West..

And Really ISIS do need to made an example of, No dealing with them just Annihilation....  The next group Can Offer to deal with the west.....  but it is too late for ISIS.


Exactly Veya, lets look at some home truths here, extremist Muslims were attacking or attempting to attack the west even before the first invasion of Iraq, which was to save Kuwait, and these extremists took issue to the fact foreign troops were on Saudi soil for freeing Kuwait and the support of Israel has been about where this whole issue stems from, apart from centuries also of conflict between the west and east anyway. Now again some home truths, it was Arab nations that did not accept the creation of Israel and it has been thee nations that have because of not accepting this created wars, of course Israel is far from innocent much later with settlements and how it engages war, but the reality is because Arab nations did not accept the creation of a  nation, all these problems today stem back to this one decision. This is now 60 years on and they still have not accepted this, thus they have never look at a real road to peace. ow if we use the logic of Islamic extremists and Arab nation against Israel with America support the same can apply in reverse where Israel has bee attacked for years by these nations all neglected within arguments and why these arguments fail when they seek to blame America for support.


All agree the second war in Iraq was wrong, but to me Afghanistan was not wrong, where there was a brutal oppressive regime, that was housing terrorist training facilities. As I say before Kuwait was invaded Islamic extremists had been targeting US embassies etc in other nations. His point on making human shields of peace workers and journalists really was one of the most looniest points I have ever read and whilst he ha a point we should not be military supplying some of these nations, the only point which was fair, he neglects where this problem arose from the beginning. Any form of theocracy is and always has been a major hindrance to peace in the world and when people takes myths as a few to impose their views on how people should leave their live, then you will always have conflicts. It is the literal belief of religion that has always been the problem and when that has diminished, as it has in the west, then the these Arab nations can start to see peace. I have no issue where people want to believe in a god that created us, but the Abrahamic works are nothing short of fictional beliefs, created to control people through fear.

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Re: What to do about ISIS - By David Swanson

Post by veya_victaous on Tue 2 Sep 2014 - 20:29

I agree that it is the rise of Secularism that we need to support in the region as it does provide a much more likely foundation for a peaceful nation.

Fully Agree that theocratic gov't are generally shit.

Agree about Afghan and Iraq invasion.

I think Israel is but a small part of a larger issue which I think you correctly point out part of which is the Theocratic nature of the leaders in the middle east... Plus the rise of Science which does bring many of these traditional beliefs into question. Israel is quite visible as an issue because it is both 'religious' and 'Western interference' but I think it is more a manifestation of what they dislike rather than the 'root cause' of their dislike.

I do think it is also been Western interference and some times Hypocrisy in what/who we support. Even the Taliban were supported Over a secular but Communist/Socialist Gov't .... with hindsight we would have been better off embracing any secular gov't as globalisation has diminished the absolute nature of economic theory (there are no true communist or true capitalist any more we all do something in between)

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Re: What to do about ISIS - By David Swanson

Post by The Puzzler on Wed 3 Sep 2014 - 8:55

What to do about ISIS? Total War against them, the article you posted is just leftie anti American/anti West fluff.


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Re: What to do about ISIS - By David Swanson

Post by Tommy Monk on Wed 3 Sep 2014 - 8:55

Bullshit Didge, Islam and Muslims have been an attacking force for centuries, Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan are just convenient excuses.

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Re: What to do about ISIS - By David Swanson

Post by Guest on Wed 3 Sep 2014 - 10:20

Fuzzy Zack wrote:To dismiss it as 'babble' is highly irresponsible. He has some decent points.

Hi Zack

The point is his points are irresponsible and only looms at this from one angle and not the whole picture as I have presented.
His places sole blame o the US, which is incorrect ad then states they should apologize to IS, for what?
If the only connection is based upon a religion association to what has happened to some Muslims, then that logic would mean all Muslims in reverse should apologize for the countless atrocities carried out by them, do you think they should?
I do not, that would mean also his logic should also apply to them ,as the points can be used in reverse.
Again he fails to see the whole picture

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Re: What to do about ISIS - By David Swanson

Post by Guest on Wed 3 Sep 2014 - 10:21

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit Didge, Islam and Muslims have been an attacking force for centuries, Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan are just convenient excuses.

I have no idea what you are rambling on about, try to make your point as to what you are being in disagreement to my earlier posts..

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