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Post by eddie on Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:37 pm

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Muslims:
Where they are NOT happy:

They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ...
They're not happy in Afghanistan ...
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ...

SO.. WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They're happy in Australia ..
They're happy in Canada ..
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland ..
They're happy in Denmark ..

Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN !

AND THEN- They want to change those countries to be like, THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!
Excuse me, but I can't help wondering...
How frigging dumb can you get?
Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim Terrorists are so quick to commit suicide.

Lets have a look at the evidence:
- No Christmas
- No television
- No nude women
- No football
- No pork chops
- No hot dogs
- No burgers
- No beer
- No bacon
- Rags for clothes
- Towels for hats
- Constant wailing from some bloke in a tower
- More than one wife
- More than one mother-in-law
- You can't shave
- Your wife can't shave
- You can't wash off the smell of donkeys
- You cook over burning camel shit
- Your wife is picked by someone else for you
- and your wife smells worse than your donkey
- Then they tell them that "when they die, it all gets better"???

Well No Shit Sherlock!....
It's not like it could get much worse!

(Taken from a poster on Facebook - author anonymous)

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:26 pm

Questions are irrelevant and a poor attempt by you to avoid the facts that are shown in current crime statistics.



Excuses excuses..... and it's all whitey's fault....



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Post by Original Quill on Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:02 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Questions are irrelevant and a poor attempt by you to avoid the facts that are shown in current crime statistics.

Excuses excuses..... and it's all whitey's fault....

lol!

Well, they have been in charge for a long time, Tom, and not done the greatest of jobs. Slavery, wars, persecution?? De-Nile is a river in East Africa.

Nevertheless, whitey can learn. He just needs and open mind, that's all.

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:21 pm

eddie wrote:Muslims:
Where they are NOT happy:

They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ...
They're not happy in Afghanistan ...
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ...

SO.. WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They're happy in Australia ..
They're happy in Canada ..
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland ..
They're happy in Denmark ..

Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN !

AND THEN- They want to change those countries to be like, THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!
Excuse me, but I can't help wondering...
How frigging dumb can you get?
Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim Terrorists are so quick to commit suicide.

Lets have a look at the evidence:
- No Christmas
- No television
- No nude women
- No football
- No pork chops
- No hot dogs
- No burgers
- No beer
- No bacon
- Rags for clothes
- Towels for hats
- Constant wailing from some bloke in a tower
- More than one wife
- More than one mother-in-law
- You can't shave
- Your wife can't shave
- You can't wash off the smell of donkeys
- You cook over burning camel shit
- Your wife is picked by someone else for you
- and your wife smells worse than your donkey
- Then they tell them that "when they die, it all gets better"???

Well No Shit Sherlock!....
It's not like it could get much worse!

(Taken from a poster on Facebook - author anonymous)

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What do we think??

I think it sounds like someone unable to understand people of the Muslim faith are individuals engaging in a completely one-sided denunciation.

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:28 pm

I think its funny and you know what they say...Many a true word spoken in jest!

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:49 pm

Racism funny? That says a lot.

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:25 pm

Sassy wrote:Racism funny?    That says a lot.


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Post by eddie on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:48 pm

Sassy wrote:Racism funny?    That says a lot.

The first half of the post in question was more what I wished to debate.
It isn't racist.

Jokes about people are funny. Dont you laugh at white trash jokes? Black jokes???
Jeez lighten up sass!

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:11 pm

eddie wrote:
Sassy wrote:Racism funny?    That says a lot.

The first half of the post in question was more what I wished to debate.
It isn't racist.

Jokes about people are funny. Dont you laugh at white trash jokes? Black jokes???
Jeez lighten up sass!

No Edds, I'm afraid I don't, and I found the OP to be racist, absolutely.   I don't believe in lightening up on any form of racism, it's a blight on humanity.   That's why I thought you were daft to post it, it was a beacon for people to post racist stuff about Muslims and class them all as one people. I also thought it took no account of the West's influences and destruction of the countries concerned, or the way we used them for cheap labour, so sorry, but I didn't find it funny at all.

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:22 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

It was a fallacy and was nothing more than a deflection, also, why are you not able to look at a critical view of Islamic countries?
You mean they use the west to obtain many funds and whilst allow the West to think they are on their side, like with Saudi, they fund terrorism, or at least export hard line Islam in Whabbism, which has no place in today's society.
The reality is where ever there is a literal view of the Monotheistic faiths, there has always been problems, in happen in the west for centuries, now people have pulled away from such, man made mythical fear based laws. I think again where Liberal minded Muslims, who rightly have been thankfully influenced by western ways in Liberal views, have risen up to have change, have sadly been crushed in many places like Iran, Eygpt etc, where it has been Islamists that have capitalized from this, which is a huge concern for many Muslim nations at present. This is not something to be ignored. Again most foreign Muslims to the west have been fleeing persecution.
It is no good trying to say this is having a go at Muslims, its not, I hope to see Muslim nations just like the west, not ruled by religion, but common sense and in time this will happen

If you think that was an association fallacy, then prove it. It's quite simple. Just construct it. If you can't, then you're talking BS.

And you're the one deflecting with your assumptions about me.

Let's see if you know what an association fallacy is. I'm ready to be proved wrong.

Easy, who is the USA?
What was stated was this:
USA still shoots negroes for being negroes.
Take your time

Complete deflection of course from the debate, where it seems the main topic is too difficult for you to talk about when many people have grave concerns, as do many Muslims about why there has been a growing extremist problem within Islam in Muslim majority countries.

Stassi does not understand what racism is, as this is not racist.

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:31 pm

Didgerydoos don't do deep, it's too difficult.

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:31 pm

Sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:

The first half of the post in question was more what I wished to debate.
It isn't racist.

Jokes about people are funny. Dont you laugh at white trash jokes? Black jokes???
Jeez lighten up sass!

No Edds, I'm afraid I don't, and I found the OP to be racist, absolutely.   I don't believe in lightening up on any form of racism, it's a blight on humanity.   That's why I thought you were daft to post it, it was a beacon for people to post racist stuff about Muslims and class them all as one people.   I also thought it took no account of the West's influences and destruction of the countries concerned, or the way we used them for cheap labour, so sorry, but I didn't find it funny at all.  

Nothing racist about it, racism is about an inferiority of races, the last part of the OP was xenophopbic, but the part on the countries was interesting, all you are doing is avoiding what is an interesting debate, or more to the point evading where there is clearly a growing problem aroud the world, where many innocent Muslims are suffering

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:33 pm

Sassy wrote:Didgerydoos don't do deep, it's too difficult.

Well you can tell me, who is the USA Stassi, am happy to hear you and Dappy's view as to who this is.

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Post by eddie on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:35 pm

Sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:
Sassy wrote:Racism funny?    That says a lot.

The first half of the post in question was more what I wished to debate.
It isn't racist.

Jokes about people are funny. Dont you laugh at white trash jokes? Black jokes???
Jeez lighten up sass!

No Edds, I'm afraid I don't, and I found the OP to be racist, absolutely.   I don't believe in lightening up on any form of racism, it's a blight on humanity.   That's why I thought you were daft to post it, it was a beacon for people to post racist stuff about Muslims and class them all as one people.   I also thought it took no account of the West's influences and destruction of the countries concerned, or the way we used them for cheap labour, so sorry, but I didn't find it funny at all.  

So,you never laugh at black comedians who send themselves and their families up?
They are some of the funniest I've seen!

I have a friend called  Charlotte who have known since she was about five - she was friends with the girl I used to look after. We lost touch for years obviously as I was an adult and she was a kid, anyway recently she's moved near me and had children of her own. She's black and with a white guy incidentally.
We both have a wicked sense of humour between us and send up white people and black people! We laugh outrageously at black people's ways and white peoples ways.

She calls me "auntie" as in Bajan culture (and in most West Indian cultures too) an elder is always referred to as auntie.

It is an affectionate and warm relationship we have - I often take her one year old daughter with em if I pop anywhere to give her a break (jas loves her lol)

Nothing wring with jokes about race at all!

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:40 pm

eddie wrote:
Sassy wrote:

No Edds, I'm afraid I don't, and I found the OP to be racist, absolutely.   I don't believe in lightening up on any form of racism, it's a blight on humanity.   That's why I thought you were daft to post it, it was a beacon for people to post racist stuff about Muslims and class them all as one people.   I also thought it took no account of the West's influences and destruction of the countries concerned, or the way we used them for cheap labour, so sorry, but I didn't find it funny at all.  

So,you never laugh at black comedians who send themselves and their families up?
They are some of the funniest I've seen!

I have a friend called  Charlotte who have known since she was about five - she was friends with the girl I used to look after. We lost touch for years obviously as I was an adult and she was a kid, anyway recently she's moved near me and had children of her own. She's black and with a white guy incidentally.
We. It's have a wicked sense of humour and send up white people and black people! We laugh outrageously at black people's ways and white peoples ways.

She calls me "auntie" as in Bajan culture (and in most West Indian cultures too) an elder is always referred to as auntie.

It is an affectionate and warm relationship we have - I often take her one year old daughter with em if I pop anywhere to give her a break (jas loves her lol)

Nothing wring with jokes about race at all!

But that isn't it is it? It like black men calling themselves ni..ers. Black people making jokes about themselves is one thing, Jewish comedians take the piss out of their culture and they are some of the funniest. But when the jokes are on another culture, and they are not done for fun, but to put them down, thats a different story. There is an Iranian girl who is hilarious, forget her name. Jim Davidson is a case in point, his stories about both black people and women were disgusting.

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Post by eddie on Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:26 am

I think it depends if you can see that most people who make jokes aren't actually racist sassy.
If you heard me and Charlotte you'd understand.
She gets it.
Only some people get that jokes are just that; jokes.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:22 am

I don't think jokes are *always* "just jokes". If you asked 'Anonymous' to make his point in one sentence it would read something like "Muslims ruin every country they come to". He seems to think his bigoted baloney is more palatable for being peppered with "humour".

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:42 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Easy, who is the USA?
What was stated was this:
USA still shoots negroes for being negroes.
Take your time

Complete deflection of course from the debate, where it seems the main topic is too difficult for you to talk about when many people have grave concerns, as do many Muslims about why there has been a growing extremist problem within Islam in Muslim majority countries.

Stassi does not understand what racism is, as this is not racist.

I've already explained why I think the opening post is the starting point of bigotry. It's similar to posts Mentor used.

I just wanted to know if you knew what is an association fallacy.

You clearly don't. You did not use the simple construct. Lol!

Stop using phrases you don't understand. Or I will expose your arrogance, again.


Of course I know what it is, hence why you have avoided answering my question who is the USA, which still stands, so please tell me, who is the USA, that shoots negros for being negros?
The opening post has many xenophobic points, of which I agree, though the point on countries is interesting which you are avoiding
I understand more then you could hope to obtain in a life time, so stop evading my question, who is the USA that kills negros for being negros?
You are losing your touch, I find it too easy now with you.
In your own time

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:09 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:


Of course I know what it is, hence why you have avoided answering my question who is the USA, which still stands, so please tell me, who is the USA, that shoots negros for being negros?
The opening post has many xenophobic points, of which I agree, though the point on countries is interesting which you are avoiding
I understand more then you could hope to obtain in a life time, so stop evading my question, who is the USA that kills negros for being negros?
You are losing your touch, I find it too easy now with you.
In your own time

If you know what is an association fallacy, then why can't you construct the basic premise and conclusion.

Maybe then I can take the rest of your post more seriously.  But even that is not an example of AF.

Which is why I'm daring you to construct it. Because I think you don't know. And if you don't construct it in your next post, then my point is proved: you're clueless and show incredible arrogance. Not much to show for your 'lifetime'.


Hilarious yet again, as i am trying to construct if for you by asking you to define what exactly is the USA that kills negros for being negros.
So by USA we are talking about what exactly?
A nation?
A law?
A Government?
A people?

Lets take this one further, is stassi saying the USA is white or what is defined as a white race by definition?
We both know exactly what fallacy association she was talking about, you are just playing for time, poorly of course, which amuses me further that you attempt to do so Padawan.

Sorry Zack you are just exposing how badly you do not want to engage in the debate on Muslim majority countries, it seems it scares you to death to do so, as you would not avoid so much as you do now, trying ever so poorly to claim I do not understand terminology.

Try again my boy

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Post by eddie on Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:14 am

lovedust wrote:I don't think jokes are *always* "just jokes". If you asked 'Anonymous' to make his point in one sentence it would read something like "Muslims ruin every country they come to". He seems to think his bigoted baloney is more palatable for being peppered with "humour".

Well I have clearly stated that the only part of the post I was interested in was the "country" part.

Oh and I bet I could find a Muslim who'd find the whole thing funny.

I don't know how some people are so frigid in their humour.

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:41 am

eddie wrote:
lovedust wrote:I don't think jokes are *always* "just jokes". If you asked 'Anonymous' to make his point in one sentence it would read something like "Muslims ruin every country they come to". He seems to think his bigoted baloney is more palatable for being peppered with "humour".

Well I have clearly stated that the only part of the post I was interested in was the "country" part.

Oh and I bet I could find a Muslim who'd find the whole thing funny.

I don't know how some people are so frigid in their humour.

Mysteriously I find myself immune to his charms.

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Post by eddie on Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:01 am

lovedust wrote:
eddie wrote:
lovedust wrote:I don't think jokes are *always* "just jokes". If you asked 'Anonymous' to make his point in one sentence it would read something like "Muslims ruin every country they come to". He seems to think his bigoted baloney is more palatable for being peppered with "humour".

Well I have clearly stated that the only part of the post I was interested in was the "country" part.

Oh and I bet I could find a Muslim who'd find the whole thing funny.

I don't know how some people are so frigid in their humour.

Mysteriously I find myself immune to his charms.

Erm yes.
But what about the rest of my posts about jokes?


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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:34 am

The thing that kills me, obviously there are plenty of Muslims living at least relatively happily in Muslim countries, probably the majority (the silent one). And the things that cause their unhappiness are for the most part not related to their religion.

I don't think any of us would be happy if a larger country undermined our own elections and put one of their props in power to rule as an authoritarian dictator  clown  clown  clown

I think jokes of this sort can be funny when they come from an agreeable, I-don't-hate-you sort of place. This doesn't sound agreeable or good-natured to me, either, and most of the things in it aren't remotely true (arranged marriages? No T.V.? Hamburgers forbidden?)

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:53 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:The thing that kills me, obviously there are plenty of Muslims living at least relatively happily in Muslim countries, probably the majority (the silent one). And the things that cause their unhappiness are for the most part not related to their religion.

I don't think any of us would be happy if a larger country undermined our own elections and put one of their props in power to rule as an authoritarian dictator  clown  clown  clown

I think jokes of this sort can be funny when they come from an agreeable, I-don't-hate-you sort of place. This doesn't sound agreeable or good-natured to me, either, and most of the things in it aren't remotely true (arranged marriages? No T.V.? Hamburgers forbidden?)

Nail, head.

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:32 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hilarious yet again, as i am trying to construct if for you by asking you to define what exactly is the USA that kills negros for being negros.
So by USA we are talking about what exactly?
A nation?
A law?
A Government?
A people?

Lets take this one further, is stassi saying the USA is white or what is defined as a white race by definition?
We both know exactly what fallacy association she was talking about, you are just playing for time, poorly of course, which amuses me further that you attempt to do so Padawan.

Sorry Zack you are just exposing how badly you do not want to engage in the debate on Muslim majority countries, it seems it scares you to death to do so, as you would not avoid so much as you do now, trying ever so poorly to claim I do not understand terminology.

Try again my boy

As I thought. You have no idea how to contruct an argument for association fallacy.  

Stop using phrases you don't understand. I will make you look stupid, again.

I just wanted to find out for sure then expose your arrogance. Job done.

Try looking up a particular fallacy and constructing the appropriate premise to see if your analogy fits. Just some friendly advice hoping to educate you.


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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:43 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:


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Let me know when you've learned to create a fallacious argument.

Remember school: premise --> conclusion.

Or did you bunk that day.

HA HA!

Hilarious, bless you my boy, when you answer my questions, then we can continue, until then, best you run off and play with your dolls.

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:48 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hilarious, bless you my boy, when you answer my questions, then we can continue, until then, best you run off and play with your dolls.

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I only asked you for a fallacious construct. Lol!

Do you know what that is?


I asked you to answer my questions, which you failed which would have shown you the construct.
Let me know when you wish to stop avoiding and answer.

Again, who is the USA?

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:52 pm

ha ha ha ha ha

Again who is the USA?

Try again:

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:54 pm

The association fallacy is an informal version of the fallacious argument known as affirming the consequent. It consists of promoting an opinion or philosophy by recounting the values a specific person or a group that held that opinion or philosophy


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_fallacy



So who is the USA?


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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:59 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Now I think you don't know the difference between a statement and a question. Lol!


Ha ha another copout

Who is the USA that kills negros for being negros?

Oh love this.

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Post by The Puzzler on Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:22 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Now I think you don't know the difference between a statement and a question. Lol!


Ha ha another copout

Who is the USA that kills negros for being negros?

Oh love this.
I think Zack and Sassy must be time travellers from the 19th century.
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:28 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:


Ha ha another copout

Who is the USA that kills negros for being negros?

Oh love this.

I didn't ask you for a quiz or riddles.

I just asked you to prove that you knew what is AF and to use YOUR example to provide a construct.

I'll give you a clue: 2 premises and one conclusion.

You have failed to do this simple thing.

You will fail to do this in your next post.

Because he haven't got a clue.

Hence - your stupidity exposed.

I gave you many chances. Lol!


Ha ha ha ha ha what a copout

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