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Post by The Puzzler on Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:34 pm

....without Big Andy, Smellybandit, VoD and a few others.
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Post by eddie on Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:44 pm

Hi puzzler,
For quiet, read: less interesting

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Post by The Puzzler on Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:46 pm

Hiya, yes, that too eddie.
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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:52 pm

Really? I'd say it was a lot better and a lot more decent.

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Post by FluffyBunny on Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:13 pm

I didn't mind BigAndy but I relish the prospect of some quiet civil chat. Smile 

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Post by eddie on Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:45 pm

We need a mixture of people though don't we?

Sassy, wouldn't you be bored if everyone were to think like you?
And fluffy? Looool! Don't you post on BF???

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Post by FluffyBunny on Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:11 pm

eddie wrote:We need a mixture of people though don't we?

Sassy, wouldn't you be bored if everyone were to think like you?
And fluffy? Looool! Don't you post on BF???

I do on occasion,yes.

The sentiment I expressed earlier( not related to your observation )still stands.

And if everyone thought like Sassy the world would be much improved imo. I love you

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Post by eddie on Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:37 pm

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eddie wrote:We need a mixture of people though don't we?

Sassy, wouldn't you be bored if everyone were to think like you?
And fluffy? Looool! Don't you post on BF???

I do on occasion,yes.

The sentiment I expressed earlier( not related to your observation )still stands.

And if everyone thought like Sassy the world would be much improved imo. I love you

Well that's a nice thing to say about sassy, and I'm sure I,feel no evil toward sassy lol but if everyone thought the same, especially on a debate forum.....God!! How boring!!!
You wouldn't see me for dust!

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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:42 pm

eddie wrote:
FluffyBunny wrote:

I do on occasion,yes.

The sentiment I expressed earlier( not related to your observation )still stands.

And if everyone thought like Sassy the world would be much improved imo. I love you

Well that's a nice thing to say about sassy, and I'm sure I,feel no evil toward sassy lol but if everyone thought the same, especially on a debate forum.....God!! How boring!!!
You wouldn't see me for dust!

I don't want them to think like me, however, what I find boring is their continual anti-Muslim bigotry.

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Post by eddie on Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:44 pm

Sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:
FluffyBunny wrote:

I do on occasion,yes.

The sentiment I expressed earlier( not related to your observation )still stands.

And if everyone thought like Sassy the world would be much improved imo. I love you

Well that's a nice thing to say about sassy, and I'm sure I,feel no evil toward sassy lol but if everyone thought the same, especially on a debate forum.....God!! How boring!!!
You wouldn't see me for dust!

I don't want them to think like me, however, what I find boring is their continual anti-Muslim bigotry.  

But each to their own? And also, I think people get pissed of with the extremists

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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:25 pm

I haven't been around as much as I would like. Just finished a run of 8x 12hour late shifts and started my holiday yesterday. Have loads of home stuff to catch up on first - grass is thigh deep and have a massive mound of ironing.
I am overall delighted that a few of the more 'radical' extreme rw posters appeared to have scuttled away - presume to the safety of flop. The problems in the middle East - be it Israel/Palestine or Iraq tribe's v IS are too complex to actually give truly informed debate.
That said, IS must be eradicated either by force or disbanded voluntarily (which I can't see happening).
At least there is calm debate without vitriolic anti Islamic abuse.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:57 pm

Been driving through the Texas countryside all day ...

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Post by FluffyBunny on Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:46 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Been driving through the Texas countryside all day ...

Stop boasting,you  Razz 

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Post by FluffyBunny on Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:49 pm

eddie wrote:
Sassy wrote:

I don't want them to think like me, however, what I find boring is their continual anti-Muslim bigotry.  

But each to their own? And also, I think people get pissed of with the extremists

I can understand that. And I have no problem with people who express their views in a polite civil way,no matter how much those views differ from my own.

It's personal abuse I can't and won't tolerate and sadly it sometimes used to descend into that with some posters.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:19 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:Been driving through the Texas countryside all day ...

Long drive...takes two days. Living in Tucson, and relatives in New Orleans, I drove it twice a year for a spell.

Where'ya been? And what for?

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Post by Lone Wolf on Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:33 pm

Handy Andy wrote:................................

I am overall  delighted that a few of the more 'radical'  extreme rw posters appeared to have scuttled away -  presume to the safety of flop. The problems in the middle East -  be it Israel/Palestine  or Iraq tribe's  v IS are too complex to actually give truly informed debate.

..............................
At least there is calm debate without vitriolic anti Islamic abuse.

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I agree...
(THOUGH there are still a couple of nutty stalkers crawling around..).

CERTAIN flopheads and dogsbodies only ever com here to cause maximum disruption..

THEY don't know the meaning of the terms "debate, democracy or free speech."  Arrow 

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:18 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:
Handy Andy wrote:................................

I am overall  delighted that a few of the more 'radical'  extreme rw posters appeared to have scuttled away -  presume to the safety of flop. The problems in the middle East -  be it Israel/Palestine  or Iraq tribe's  v IS are too complex to actually give truly informed debate.

..............................
At least there is calm debate without vitriolic anti Islamic abuse.

 Idea 

I agree...
(THOUGH there are still a couple of nutty stalkers crawling around..).

CERTAIN flopheads and dogsbodies only ever com here to cause maximum disruption..

THEY don't know the meaning of the terms "debate, democracy or free speech."    Arrow 

Well, it takes some work to understand RW'ers.  They already have their own answers in place (in their ideology), so their perception of speech and such is to puppet slogans and quips.  Only liberals take on the question of inequity in every day life.  Thus, only liberals are used to reasoning with new issues and new problems.

But you see, there's opportunity in having RW'ers around, because they frame the questions that LW'ers can then take shots at.  You guys waste so much time and effort trying to smear them, when all of it is just great opportunity.  And, yes repetition is argument.  That's why you don't waste opportunity.  All of these RW'ers are just delivering up pitches for you guys to hit out of the park. As it said in Sand Pebbles...hammer, hammer, hammer.

It's a good thing.

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Post by feelthelove on Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:19 pm

eddie wrote:Hi puzzler,
For quiet, read: less interesting

Eddie, conflicting opinion has again been quashed.  It's a real shame.

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:29 pm

feelthelove wrote:
eddie wrote:Hi puzzler,
For quiet, read: less interesting

Eddie, conflicting opinion has again been quashed.  It's a real shame.

It is a shame but I guess we should be used to it by now  No 

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:12 pm

feelthelove wrote:
eddie wrote:Hi puzzler,
For quiet, read: less interesting

Eddie, conflicting opinion has again been quashed.  It's a real shame.

Sorry ftl, but I thought Andrew, Vod & Gig all left of their own accord?

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:35 pm

lovedust wrote:
feelthelove wrote:

Eddie, conflicting opinion has again been quashed.  It's a real shame.

Sorry ftl, but I thought Andrew, Vod & Gig all left of their own accord?

They did indeed, and all they got was opposition to their views, which they obviously couldn't handle. Who is supposed to have 'squashed' them?

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Post by feelthelove on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:00 pm

lovedust wrote:
feelthelove wrote:

Eddie, conflicting opinion has again been quashed.  It's a real shame.

Sorry ftl, but I thought Andrew, Vod & Gig all left of their own accord?

Hello Lovedust, hope you're well  I love you x

I didn't say otherwise x

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Post by Lone Wolf on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:32 pm

feelthelove wrote:
lovedust wrote:
Sorry ftl, but I thought Andrew, Vod & Gig all left of their own accord?


Hello Lovedust, hope you're well  I love you x

I didn't say otherwise x

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HAVING a gander at the membership list occasionally, one finds it interesting that maybe half of those assorted fascists, frauds, goons and cyber-bullies that have flounced off noisily recently are still members here !

THEY simply ran out of steam, apparently ?   tongue

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Post by eddie on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:56 pm

feelthelove wrote:
eddie wrote:Hi puzzler,
For quiet, read: less interesting

Eddie, conflicting opinion has again been quashed.  It's a real shame.


Well let me put it this way: when flap became too RW with all the LW posters gone, I lost interest.
The same will happen for me here if the vice versa happens x

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Post by FluffyBunny on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:01 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Lone Wolf wrote:
 Idea 

I agree...
(THOUGH there are still a couple of nutty stalkers crawling around..).

CERTAIN flopheads and dogsbodies only ever com here to cause maximum disruption..

THEY don't know the meaning of the terms "debate, democracy or free speech."    Arrow 

Well, it takes some work to understand RW'ers.  They already have their own answers in place (in their ideology), so their perception of speech and such is to puppet slogans and quips.  Only liberals take on the question of inequity in every day life.  Thus, only liberals are used to reasoning with new issues and new problems.

But you see, there's opportunity in having RW'ers around, because they frame the questions that LW'ers can then take shots at.  You guys waste so much time and effort trying to smear them, when all of it is just great opportunity.  And, yes repetition is argument.  That's why you don't waste opportunity.  All of these RW'ers are just delivering up pitches for you guys to hit out of the park.  As it said in Sand Pebbles...hammer, hammer, hammer.

It's a good thing.

I don't pretend to be able to understand the mentality behind RW folk.
I DO understand the concerns about militant religion and the repression of women but again,moderate Islam tends to get condemned along with the extremists by RW'ers.

I think the mentality behind RW politics is frankly,dangerous.

But I always respect the fact that people will have a different viewpoint and enjoy civil polite debate. Obviously things get emotive when people are passionate and that's good too.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:04 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Well, it takes some work to understand RW'ers.  They already have their own answers in place (in their ideology), so their perception of speech and such is to puppet slogans and quips.  Only liberals take on the question of inequity in every day life.  Thus, only liberals are used to reasoning with new issues and new problems.

But you see, there's opportunity in having RW'ers around, because they frame the questions that LW'ers can then take shots at.  You guys waste so much time and effort trying to smear them, when all of it is just great opportunity.  And, yes repetition is argument.  That's why you don't waste opportunity.  All of these RW'ers are just delivering up pitches for you guys to hit out of the park.  As it said in Sand Pebbles...hammer, hammer, hammer.

It's a good thing.

I don't pretend to be able to understand the mentality behind RW folk.
I DO understand the concerns about militant religion and the repression of women but again,moderate Islam tends to get condemned along with the extremists by RW'ers.

I think the mentality behind RW politics is frankly,dangerous.

But I always respect the fact that people will have a different viewpoint and enjoy civil polite debate. Obviously things get emotive when people are passionate and that's good too.

You don't know what right wing means, do you?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:13 pm

eddie wrote:We need a mixture of people though don't we?

Sassy, wouldn't you be bored if everyone were to think like you?
And fluffy? Looool! Don't you post on BF???

Indeed she does post on there - where some of the sickest people on the internet post.

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Post by eddie on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:24 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:We need a mixture of people though don't we?

Sassy, wouldn't you be bored if everyone were to think like you?
And fluffy? Looool! Don't you post on BF???

Indeed she does post on there - where some of the sickest people on the internet post.

Well all I know is I like a diverse mixture. A bit like liquorice all sorts

Evening raggs btw x

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:41 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Indeed she does post on there - where some of the sickest people on the internet post.

Well all I know is I like a diverse mixture. A bit like liquorice all sorts

Evening raggs btw x

Yes, but when she sits in judgement of others and accuses them of "abuse", it just gets more and more idiotic.

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Post by FluffyBunny on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:59 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
FluffyBunny wrote:

I don't pretend to be able to understand the mentality behind RW folk.
I DO understand the concerns about militant religion and the repression of women but again,moderate Islam tends to get condemned along with the extremists by RW'ers.

I think the mentality behind RW politics is frankly,dangerous.

But I always respect the fact that people will have a different viewpoint and enjoy civil polite debate. Obviously things get emotive when people are passionate and that's good too.

You don't know what right wing means, do you?

Educate me then.

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Post by FluffyBunny on Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:01 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:

Well all I know is I like a diverse mixture. A bit like liquorice all sorts

Evening raggs btw x

Yes, but when she sits in judgement of others and accuses them of "abuse", it just gets more and more idiotic.

Evening.

I have no intention of arguing with you,none at all. Stay on topic or argue with yourself.

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Post by gerber on Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:34 am

FluffyBunny wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Well, it takes some work to understand RW'ers.  They already have their own answers in place (in their ideology), so their perception of speech and such is to puppet slogans and quips.  Only liberals take on the question of inequity in every day life.  Thus, only liberals are used to reasoning with new issues and new problems.

But you see, there's opportunity in having RW'ers around, because they frame the questions that LW'ers can then take shots at.  You guys waste so much time and effort trying to smear them, when all of it is just great opportunity.  And, yes repetition is argument.  That's why you don't waste opportunity.  All of these RW'ers are just delivering up pitches for you guys to hit out of the park.  As it said in Sand Pebbles...hammer, hammer, hammer.

It's a good thing.

I don't pretend to be able to understand the mentality behind RW folk.
I DO understand the concerns about militant religion and the repression of women but again,moderate Islam tends to get condemned along with the extremists by RW'ers.

I think the mentality behind RW politics is frankly,dangerous.

But I always respect the fact that people will have a different viewpoint and enjoy civil polite debate. Obviously things get emotive when people are passionate and that's good too.

Let me help you  Smile 

We are the most amazingly intelligent people. Probably the most beautiful and certainly the most understanding.

We have a great dislike of fools and stupidity as well as a aversion to the colour red  cheers 

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Post by FluffyBunny on Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:50 am

gerber wrote:
FluffyBunny wrote:

I don't pretend to be able to understand the mentality behind RW folk.
I DO understand the concerns about militant religion and the repression of women but again,moderate Islam tends to get condemned along with the extremists by RW'ers.

I think the mentality behind RW politics is frankly,dangerous.

But I always respect the fact that people will have a different viewpoint and enjoy civil polite debate. Obviously things get emotive when people are passionate and that's good too.

Let me help you   Smile 

We are the most amazingly intelligent people.  Probably the most beautiful and certainly the most understanding.

We have a great dislike of fools and stupidity as well as a aversion to the colour red  cheers 

xx

I have been misled. I thought that RW'ers were devoid of empathy and wanted an elitist society. Sad 

But I don't like red either and since they are very beautiful also I feel I may have made a sweeping generalisation and overlooked their good points. Razz 

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Post by gerber on Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:00 am

FluffyBunny wrote:
gerber wrote:

Let me help you   Smile 

We are the most amazingly intelligent people.  Probably the most beautiful and certainly the most understanding.

We have a great dislike of fools and stupidity as well as a aversion to the colour red  cheers 

xx

I have been misled. I thought that RW'ers were devoid of empathy and wanted an elitist society. Sad 

But I don't like red either and since they are very beautiful also I feel I may have made a sweeping generalisation and overlooked their good points. Razz 


Erudition and intelligence at its best  Smile 

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:07 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:
gerber wrote:

Let me help you   Smile 

We are the most amazingly intelligent people.  Probably the most beautiful and certainly the most understanding.

We have a great dislike of fools and stupidity as well as a aversion to the colour red  cheers 

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I have been misled. I thought that RW'ers were devoid of empathy and wanted an elitist society. Sad 

But I don't like red either and since they are very beautiful also I feel I may have made a sweeping generalisation and overlooked their good points. Razz 

You are reading the symptoms and not the core, fluffy.  The idea of right-wing and left-wing came from an early French Parliament, where conservatives sat on the right-hand side, and socialist and liberals sat on the left-hand side.  So, when we talk of RW, we are talking about conservatives.

Please read a paper by a Nobel laureate in economics, F. A. Hayek, entitled Why I am Not a Conservative.  http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/articles/hayek-why-i-am-not-conservative.pdf  A conservative is essentially one who holds to the beliefs and ideas of the ideology of the extant and the recent past...the culture handed down.  The term means "to conserve."  What are they conserving?  The past.

The study of ideology is vast.  Please read a small book entitled, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, by Thomas S. Kuhn.  You might supplement this with a chapter by Sheldon Wolin, entitled "The Politics of the Study of Revolution", in Comparative Politics, Vol. 5, No. 3, Special Issue on Revolution and Social Change (Apr., 1973), pp. 343-358.

Basically, if you look at ideology as a huge body of interconnected associations or ideas that attempt to explain the political universe, then you are on the right track.  Ideology is theory.  But the theory, as a map of truth, frays a bit at the edges.  Take an example from science: the stars didn't look right, so one day Copernicus sat down and wrote out ideas of a round earth, rather than a flat earth.  That's an example of a scientific revolution, which Kuhn wrote about.  

Now, if we jump from scientific ideas to political ideas, we have the same thing.  Modern notions of equality, freedom and democracy are fine, but they fray at the edges: not everyone is equal, not everyone is free, and lots of people are out to destroy democracy.

What does that have to do with conservatives?  Well, conservatives are the ones who want to defend that frayed theory of the political world.  And liberals?  LW'ers are the ones who try to fix the frayed edges.  Liberals are the ones who have empathy for the weak, sick and downtrodden.

So, what do I mean when I say LW'ers should welcome the presence of RW'ers?  RW'ers, who frame everything as the old and the past, merely speak in terms of the old picture.  When they hold up the old picture for all to look at, they give LW'ers a chance to criticize it.  A great opportunity to showcase your ideas and criticize what is wrong with the old ideology.

Now, you don't like the way smels treats you.  But there is more at stake.  The presence of conservatives gives rise to the opportunity to have a good dialogue and debate.  RW'ers frame the issues by holding up the old picture, so to speak, and we LW'ers get to say what's wrong with it.  It's a win-win situation.

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I have been misled. I thought that RW'ers were devoid of empathy and wanted an elitist society. Sad 

But I don't like red either and since they are very beautiful also I feel I may have made a sweeping generalisation and overlooked their good points. Razz 

You are reading the symptoms and not the core, fluffy.  The idea of right-wing and left-wing came from an early French Parliament, where conservatives sat on the right-hand side, and socialist and liberals sat on the left-hand side.  So, when we talk of RW, we are talking about conservatives.

Please read a paper by a Nobel laureate in economics, F. A. Hayek, entitled Why I am Not a Conservative.  http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/articles/hayek-why-i-am-not-conservative.pdf  A conservative is essentially one who holds to the beliefs and ideas of the ideology of the extant and the recent past...the culture handed down.  The term means "to conserve."  What are they conserving?  The past.

The study of ideology is vast.  Please read a small book entitled, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, by Thomas S. Kuhn.  You might supplement this with a chapter by Sheldon Wolin, entitled "The Politics of the Study of Revolution", in Comparative Politics, Vol. 5, No. 3, Special Issue on Revolution and Social Change (Apr., 1973), pp. 343-358.

Basically, if you look at ideology as a huge body of interconnected associations or ideas that attempt to explain the political universe, then you are on the right track.  Ideology is theory.  But the theory, as a map of truth, frays a bit at the edges.  Take an example from science: the stars didn't look right, so one day Copernicus sat down and wrote out ideas of a round earth, rather than a flat earth.  That's an example of a scientific revolution, which Kuhn wrote about.  

Now, if we jump from scientific ideas to political ideas, we have the same thing.  Modern notions of equality, freedom and democracy are fine, but they fray at the edges: not everyone is equal, not everyone is free, and lots of people are out to destroy democracy.

What does that have to do with conservatives?  Well, conservatives are the ones who want to defend that frayed theory of the political world.  And liberals?  LW'ers are the ones who try to fix the frayed edges.  Liberals are the ones who have empathy for the weak, sick and downtrodden.

So, what do I mean when I say LW'ers should welcome the presence of RW'ers?  RW'ers, who frame everything as the old and the past, merely speak in terms of the old picture.  When they hold up the old picture for all to look at, they give LW'ers a chance to criticize it.  A great opportunity to showcase your ideas and criticize what is wrong with the old ideology.

Now, you don't like the way smels treats you.  But there is more at stake.  The presence of conservatives gives rise to the opportunity to have a good dialogue and debate.  RW'ers frame the issues by holding up the old picture, so to speak, and we LW'ers get to say what's wrong with it.  It's a win-win situation.

Thankyou for such an eloquent and detailed explanation  I love you  I don't have as much knowledge as other forum members here and want to learn.

I am going to read the Hayek article you have recommended now!

You say liberals have empathy for the weak, downtrodden and vulnerable. I don't understand why EVERYONE does not have empathy for people less fortunate.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:46 am

FluffyBunny wrote:You say liberals have empathy for the weak, downtrodden and vulnerable. I don't understand why EVERYONE does not have empathy for people less fortunate.

Conservatives have a vested interest in the past, and the circumstances that led to the "weak, downtrodden and vulnerable."  Typically, they will do one of two things (or both): one, minimize the problems (or even argue that the problem doesn't exist); or two, argue that the cure is worse than the problem.  They are trying to hang on to their vested interests.

Ultimately, it may boil down to psychology.  Some people are more comfortable clinging to the moral framing of the past, while others are adventurous and energetic enough to confront the problems that fray at the edges, and correct them.  I think you are one of the latter, and thus you lean that way.

As far as your knowledge is concerned...You had the knowledge to ask.  That's a hell of a lot more than other people will do.  Feel free to ask and discuss as you read the Hayek article.  Also, look to Irn Bru for his ideas...I note he has read Hayek as well.

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You are reading the symptoms and not the core, fluffy.  The idea of right-wing and left-wing came from an early French Parliament, where conservatives sat on the right-hand side, and socialist and liberals sat on the left-hand side.  So, when we talk of RW, we are talking about conservatives.

Please read a paper by a Nobel laureate in economics, F. A. Hayek, entitled Why I am Not a Conservative.  http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/articles/hayek-why-i-am-not-conservative.pdf  A conservative is essentially one who holds to the beliefs and ideas of the ideology of the extant and the recent past...the culture handed down.  The term means "to conserve."  What are they conserving?  The past.

The study of ideology is vast.  Please read a small book entitled, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, by Thomas S. Kuhn.  You might supplement this with a chapter by Sheldon Wolin, entitled "The Politics of the Study of Revolution", in Comparative Politics, Vol. 5, No. 3, Special Issue on Revolution and Social Change (Apr., 1973), pp. 343-358.

Basically, if you look at ideology as a huge body of interconnected associations or ideas that attempt to explain the political universe, then you are on the right track.  Ideology is theory.  But the theory, as a map of truth, frays a bit at the edges.  Take an example from science: the stars didn't look right, so one day Copernicus sat down and wrote out ideas of a round earth, rather than a flat earth.  That's an example of a scientific revolution, which Kuhn wrote about.  

Now, if we jump from scientific ideas to political ideas, we have the same thing.  Modern notions of equality, freedom and democracy are fine, but they fray at the edges: not everyone is equal, not everyone is free, and lots of people are out to destroy democracy.

What does that have to do with conservatives?  Well, conservatives are the ones who want to defend that frayed theory of the political world.  And liberals?  LW'ers are the ones who try to fix the frayed edges.  Liberals are the ones who have empathy for the weak, sick and downtrodden.

So, what do I mean when I say LW'ers should welcome the presence of RW'ers?  RW'ers, who frame everything as the old and the past, merely speak in terms of the old picture.  When they hold up the old picture for all to look at, they give LW'ers a chance to criticize it.  A great opportunity to showcase your ideas and criticize what is wrong with the old ideology.

Now, you don't like the way smels treats you.  But there is more at stake.  The presence of conservatives gives rise to the opportunity to have a good dialogue and debate.  RW'ers frame the issues by holding up the old picture, so to speak, and we LW'ers get to say what's wrong with it.  It's a win-win situation.

Thankyou for such an eloquent and detailed explanation  I love you  I don't have as much knowledge as other forum members here and want to learn.

I am going to read the Hayek article you have recommended now!

You say liberals have empathy for the weak, downtrodden and vulnerable. I don't understand why EVERYONE does not have empathy for people less fortunate.


The trouble with reading Hayek Fluff, is that he has to be put in context, the time he formed his ideas, and what he was forming them about.   In fact, many of his ideas were conservative, he advocated private money to forward progress rather than state money for example.   By the end of his life he has received awards at the behest of Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and George Bush for example.   You also have to take into account that he formed his views in a very different time and in a very different world.  

If you really want to learn about politics Fluffy, join in, form your own ideas, learn from your own experiences, travel, talk to people, discuss with people trying to solve political problems in the here and now.   I'm all for reading, I devour books, but the best teacher is real experience of the world, your world, the world you are living in, not something that happened a century ago.    As a teacher of mine used to say, look, learn, listen, experience, make your own ideas and solutions.  

Politics is about people and the way they live and the way they are treated. Robert Tressell in 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' was before Hayek, but his study was people, and is still relevant.

“Poverty is not caused by men and women getting married; it’s not caused by machinery; it’s not caused by “over-production”; it’s not caused by drink or laziness; and it’s not caused by “over-population”. It’s caused by Private Monopoly. That is the present system. They have monopolized everything that it is possible to monopolize; they have got the whole earth, the minerals in the earth and the streams that water the earth. The only reason they have not monopolized the daylight and the air is that it is not possible to do it. If it were possible to construct huge gasometers and to draw together and compress within them the whole of the atmosphere, it would have been done long ago, and we should have been compelled to work for them in order to get money to buy air to breathe. And if that seemingly impossible thing were accomplished tomorrow, you would see thousands of people dying for want of air – or of the money to buy it – even as now thousands are dying for want of the other necessities of life. You would see people going about gasping for breath, and telling each other that the likes of them could not expect to have air to breathe unless the had the money to pay for it. Most of you here, for instance, would think and say so. Even as you think at present that it’s right for so few people to own the Earth, the Minerals and the Water, which are all just as necessary as is the air. In exactly the same spirit as you now say: “It’s Their Land,” “It’s Their Water,” “It’s Their Coal,” “It’s Their Iron,” so you would say “It’s Their Air,” “These are their gasometers, and what right have the likes of us to expect them to allow us to breathe for nothing?” And even while he is doing this the air monopolist will be preaching sermons on the Brotherhood of Man; he will be dispensing advice on “Christian Duty” in the Sunday magazines; he will give utterance to numerous more or less moral maxims for the guidance of the young. And meantime, all around, people will be dying for want of some of the air that he will have bottled up in his gasometers. And when you are all dragging out a miserable existence, gasping for breath or dying for want of air, if one of your number suggests smashing a hole in the side of one of th gasometers, you will all fall upon him in the name of law and order, and after doing your best to tear him limb from limb, you’ll drag him, covered with blood, in triumph to the nearest Police Station and deliver him up to “justice” in the hope of being given a few half-pounds of air for your trouble.”

The economics might have changed, the world around us might have changed, but the way people are treated remains the same. I read it when I was 15, it has stayed with me ever since.



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Laughing   A LACK of "empathy" with the the bottom half of the population is a central tenet in "Conservative" belief systems. They can't escape it, as it's second nature to them..

TO their way of thinking:
POOR people are themselves to blame for all of the world's poverty;
POOR people don't pay taxes - but, they claim "we all 'know' that only conservative rich people pay taxes";
POOR people commit most crimes;
CRIMES committed by rich people are 'never' as serious as those by poor;
ONLY 'conservative' people are to be considered as "hard working, industrious, inventive, entrepreneurial, clever..";  while
ALL non-conservatives therefore must be scrounging, bludging, thieving, traitorous, "liberal"/lefty/'socialist"/communist/"greeny" layabouts feeding off the state (which we all know is only funded by those rich conservatives !).
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Post by The Puzzler on Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:57 pm

You can try and pigeonhole people all you like fluffy. What about those with old left/Labour views on the economy but rightwing views on immigration and Islam - it's just too easy to say all RWers lack empathy.
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Lone Wolf wrote:Laughing   A LACK of "empathy" with the the bottom half of the population is a central tenet in "Conservative" belief systems. They can't escape it, as it's second nature to them..

TO their way of thinking:
POOR people are themselves to blame for all of the world's poverty;
POOR people don't pay taxes - but, they claim "we all 'know' that only conservative rich people pay taxes";
POOR people commit most crimes;
CRIMES committed by rich people are 'never' as serious as those by poor;
ONLY 'conservative' people are to be considered as "hard working, industrious, inventive, entrepreneurial, clever..";  while
ALL non-conservatives therefore must be scrounging, bludging, thieving, traitorous, "liberal"/lefty/'socialist"/communist/"greeny" layabouts feeding off the state (which we all know is only funded by those rich conservatives !).
"CONSERVATIVE Capitalist Greed is Good !"   tongue 

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The mistake fluffy makes is equating Murdoch worshipping Tory posh boys with the whole RW. It's a childish view of politics.
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Post by FluffyBunny on Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:15 pm

The Puzzler wrote:You can try and pigeonhole people all you like fluffy. What about those with old left/Labour views on the economy but rightwing views on immigration and Islam - it's just too easy to say all RWers lack empathy.

Except I don't want to 'pigeonhole' people at all so don't accuse me of having a desire to stereotype folk when I don't.

You have made this point before and I respect it. I myself have many reservations with militant Islam, it is when moderate Muslims get tarred with the same brush as the Extremists that I get annoyed.

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Post by FluffyBunny on Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:25 pm

Sassy that was emotive and struck a chord with me.

Poverty,in my mind..is caused by people. People who allow other people to stave and die. People who don't care what happens to their fellow man and they don't care if people live or if they die.

Puzzler says this is a childish view and he may be right but it is human nature that is responsible for the way society abandons the vulnerable.

I see this lack of empathy and disdain for the vulnerable in the more RW parties,who want to keep an elitist society,who impose taxes on the poor and needy,who demonise those out of work so the 'little people' turn on each other. I cannot help that this is deemed a childish' mentality,that is what I see from the way RW politicians speak and conduct themselves and it is evident in their policies.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:51 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:Sassy that was emotive and struck a chord with me.

Poverty,in my mind..is caused by people. People who allow other people to stave and die. People who don't care what happens to their fellow man and they don't care if people live or if they die.

Puzzler says this is a childish view and he may be right but it is human nature that is responsible for the way society abandons the vulnerable.

I see this lack of empathy and disdain for the vulnerable in the more RW parties,who want to keep an elitist society,who impose taxes on the poor and needy,who demonise those out of work so the 'little people' turn on each other. I cannot help that this is deemed a childish' mentality,that is what I see from the way RW politicians speak and conduct themselves and it is evident in their policies.

You think that left wing governments don't tax anyone? What do you do to help people anyway?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:05 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:Sassy that was emotive and struck a chord with me.

Poverty,in my mind..is caused by people. People who allow other people to stave and die. People who don't care what happens to their fellow man and they don't care if people live or if they die.

Puzzler says this is a childish view and he may be right but it is human nature that is responsible for the way society abandons the vulnerable.

I see this lack of empathy and disdain for the vulnerable in the more RW parties,who want to keep an elitist society,who impose taxes on the poor and needy,who demonise those out of work so the 'little people' turn on each other. I cannot help that this is deemed a childish' mentality,that is what I see from the way RW politicians speak and conduct themselves and it is evident in their policies.

I watched the movie Cesar Chavez yesterday and one of the points made in it was how the rich grape producers, whose workers were being organized by Chavez to strike so they could be paid more than $2 per day and win other rights, would try to exploit ethnic differences among the workers so they'd be less likely to unite and confront the growers. Very good movie and it does show how the wealthy elite fight dirty to stay on top.

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:27 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:Sassy that was emotive and struck a chord with me.

Poverty,in my mind..is caused by people. People who allow other people to stave and die. People who don't care what happens to their fellow man and they don't care if people live or if they die.

Puzzler says this is a childish view and he may be right but it is human nature that is responsible for the way society abandons the vulnerable.

I see this lack of empathy and disdain for the vulnerable in the more RW parties,who want to keep an elitist society,who impose taxes on the poor and needy,who demonise those out of work so the 'little people' turn on each other. I cannot help that this is deemed a childish' mentality,that is what I see from the way RW politicians speak and conduct themselves and it is evident in their policies.

It's a fantastic book still Fluff and very very readable, still available as it is classed as a classic and told as a story.

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FluffyBunny wrote:Sassy that was emotive and struck a chord with me.

Poverty,in my mind..is caused by people. People who allow other people to stave and die. People who don't care what happens to their fellow man and they don't care if people live or if they die.

Puzzler says this is a childish view and he may be right but it is human nature that is responsible for the way society abandons the vulnerable.

I see this lack of empathy and disdain for the vulnerable in the more RW parties,who want to keep an elitist society,who impose taxes on the poor and needy,who demonise those out of work so the 'little people' turn on each other. I cannot help that this is deemed a childish' mentality,that is what I see from the way RW politicians speak and conduct themselves and it is evident in their policies.

I watched the movie Cesar Chavez yesterday and one of the points made in it was how the rich grape producers, whose workers were being organized by Chavez to strike so they could be paid more than $2 per day and win other rights, would try to exploit ethnic differences among the workers so they'd be less likely to unite and confront the growers. Very good movie and it does show how the wealthy elite fight dirty to stay on top.

Divide and rule has always been divide and keep poor as well.

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Raggamuffin wrote:
FluffyBunny wrote:Sassy that was emotive and struck a chord with me.

Poverty,in my mind..is caused by people. People who allow other people to stave and die. People who don't care what happens to their fellow man and they don't care if people live or if they die.

Puzzler says this is a childish view and he may be right but it is human nature that is responsible for the way society abandons the vulnerable.

I see this lack of empathy and disdain for the vulnerable in the more RW parties,who want to keep an elitist society,who impose taxes on the poor and needy,who demonise those out of work so the 'little people' turn on each other. I cannot help that this is deemed a childish' mentality,that is what I see from the way RW politicians speak and conduct themselves and it is evident in their policies.

You think that left wing governments don't tax anyone? What do you do to help people anyway?

My partner and I are not wealthy Ragga but we give to as many charities as we can.

We give to cancer research and NSPCC by direct debit every month. Only small amounts but it's better than nothing I feel.

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FluffyBunny wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You think that left wing governments don't tax anyone? What do you do to help people anyway?

My partner and I are not wealthy Ragga but we give to as many charities as we can.

We give to cancer research and NSPCC by direct debit every month. Only small amounts but it's better than nothing I feel.

Ever thought about getting a job and paying tax so you're contributing to this country?

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FluffyBunny wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You think that left wing governments don't tax anyone? What do you do to help people anyway?

My partner and I are not wealthy Ragga but we give to as many charities as we can.

We give to cancer research and NSPCC by direct debit every month. Only small amounts but it's better than nothing I feel.

You don't have to tell her or justify yourself.

BTW, like you new signature, love Shakespeare, Portia from the Mechant of Venice. The rest of that speech is good as well.

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