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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:35 am

RICKY Muir has split from the Palmer United Party in preventing the Federal Government from bringing on an urgent vote to axe the carbon tax.

The Coalition tried to gag debate when the Senate began sitting this morning, in a bid to have a vote on its carbon tax repeal legislation bills.

But its attempt failed when the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party’s Ricky Muir sided with Labor and the Greens to stop the guillotine.

The PUP Senators, Jacqui Lambie, Dio Wang and Glenn Lazarus, who he has a loose alliance with, voted with the government.



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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:41 am

This is Awesome  cheers  cheers  cheers  cheers 
EVERYONE assumed he was gonna be a Puppet to the RW Liberals and definitely no one expected the leader of the motoring enthusiast party to champion a policy to fight carbon pollution

So even the things that Abbott thought he had sorted and would pass have just fallen in a heap, his house of cards has tumbled
 ::happ:: ::happ:: ::happ:: ::happ:: ::happ:: ::happ:: ::happ:: 

Finally a  Politician that is a free man and will think and vote on what HE thinks not what Darklord Rupert tell him to.  And no Surprise his is a regular bloke not one of these Scum Professional Politicians that make a career out of perverting democracy.

Even he admitted he never expect to get a seat, his policy was more or less "I like Cars" and yes people probably voted for him in protest.  ::D:: ::D::

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:35 am

THE Abbott government has suffered an embarrassing setback to its bid to fast track repeal of the carbon tax through parliament.

THE Senate on Wednesday rejected a government move to force an urgent vote on its legislation.
The loss turned on the vote of Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party senator Ricky Muir who split from his Palmer United Party allies by voting with Labor and the Greens.

He was joined by two other cross benchers Nick Xenophon and John Madigan to tie the vote 36-36.


http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/govt-defeated-on-carbon-tax-move/story-e6frfku9-1226982729964

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:34 am

That is awesome!! The Motoring Enthusiast party, really?

Aside from being astonished that such a thing exists, let alone gets a seat in the Aussie Parliament, the fact that they of all people would be the ones to save the carbon tax ... I love surprises Smile Quite the David and Goliath story.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:44 am

Umm
that is nothing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Australia
we have
Australian Sex Party
Future Party
Help End Marijuana Prohibition (HEMP) Party
Pirate Party Australia
The Wikileaks Party
Bullet Train for Australia
Coke in the Bubblers Party

just to name a few

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:09 am

veya_victaous wrote:Umm
that is nothing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Australia
we have
Australian Sex Party
Future Party
Help End Marijuana Prohibition (HEMP) Party
Pirate Party Australia
The Wikileaks Party
Bullet Train for Australia
Coke in the Bubblers Party

just to name a few

Hey, we've got the parties. They just never get any power and are roundly ridiculed. Probably, as in the Rent Is Too Damn High Party, legitimately so Smile


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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:18 am

I'm gonna say compulsory voting (we have to get out names marked of may as well tick one of the boxes) and the fact that So many of the major pollies suck so much many people go "fuck it the guy that want coke in the bubblers couldn't be any worse"  Razz Razz Razz 

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:29 am

and only sort of..the Sex party for example



quite a serious legit party
But they knew the name would get people to think of them.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:54 am

"Virgin Catholic College," LOL. Seems that compulsory voting is a fantastic idea, at least it probably makes way more people stop to think about what the "pollies" are doing.

Michael Moore with the score -- he once pointed out that most Americans don't vote and advocated for all those people to support the Green Party. But he got like me once Bush came into power, advocating for the only group that had the ability to oust Bush ...


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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:02 am

yeah I have always been shocked by how low the US voter turn out is.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:39 am

That's what happens when people think they can't do anything to change the system -- compulsory voting seems to instill in the citizenry their whole lives that their ideas and positions aren't just potentially valuable but truly important. And here we see how that can make a huge difference.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:29 am

Plus we have to  Wink 

I think where it really makes the difference in comparison with the US at least is that... well to but it simply, it is easy to convince rednecks to vote dumb shit...  Neutral  If the Sensible majority don't vote due to apathy (because both parties still suck) they you can win elections just buy convincing enough idiots... case in point Dubya  Rolling Eyes 

Here it is different because if you take too hard line a stance (the type rednecks like) then the sensible majority say 'your crazy, I'm gonna vote someone else' and because we have to go and get our name marked off a role, we may as well fill in the voting slip (you are allowed to put in the box blank,. the law is only that you have turn up and get the form.. or postal vote) so when neither major party is appealing, visionary or nice guy independents can get elected. Some are really good for example Nick Xenophon, while i disagree on some points, he has definitely been good at 'moderating' gov'ts so the people of his electorate keep electing him regardless of what the major parties do now (he is on his 3rd term i think). Bob Katter is another but... more crazy rural queenslander which i guess you would translate to rednecks voting for a redneck  Embarassed  but he is very funny Smile  and sometimes has stood up for the right thing and is probably a good representative of the views of his electorate  Rolling Eyes 

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:09 am

TONY IS NOT HAPPY

Of course Tony would want to punch downwards at those less powerful than he, since stupid dumb jerk democracy is being totes mean to him in Parliament at the moment.

When the Coalition was in opposition the Senate was a house of debate and of review, but when they got into power obviously the responsibility of the Senate changed overnight to "shutting up and passing everything because mandate".

Yet, to Abbott's great sorrow, the Senate is disobediently failing to rubber stamp whatever legislation the government wants to pass, and this makes Tony sad in his feelings-hole.

because of those people - those anti-Australian democracy-loving communists - that Tony is waking this morning to a world still plagued by the Carbon "Tax".

See, in the last couple of days the government has attempted to pass bills repealing the tax, killing the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (aka ARENA) and increase taxes on low income earners. These are obviously laws that Australia desperately needs, since they bravely take on our nation's two biggest foes: the environment and poor people.

Sure, there's a report on the Carbon "Tax" repeal coming out next week that will examine the precise effects on pricing carbon, but the government doesn't want to waste time reading some nerd report by egghead scientists with their so-called "data" and "evidence" and fancy book-learnin'. So, responsibly, it attempted to gag debate on the bill and force a vote because that's what leadership looks like.

However, like recalcitrant children, the Senate was having none of it.

Motoring Enthusiast Party senator Ricky Muir failed to vote for the gag order and immediate repeal that the Coalition demanded, joining Labor, the Greens and fellow independents John Madigan and Nick Xenophon to force further debate on the issue. Palmer United voted with the government.

That followed Muir's vote on Tuesday to block the abolishment of ARENA (along with Palmer United) and preceded the voting down of the repeal of tax cuts to lower income earners, where David Leyonhjelm was the surprise Senator that gave the nay votes victory.

So three key pieces of legislation went to the new Senate, and two were defeated and one delayed.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:18 am

More From Hilariously sarcastic Andrew P Street

But what of this dangerous outbreak of sense?

This colourful, unpredictable blocking of key budget measures is now raising a troubling possibility about our new Senate: could it be that our cross benchers are not, in fact, barking mad?

See, this is looking awfully like Muir and Leyonhjelm looked at the legislation, had a think about the implications of the laws, and then made an informed and principled decision to support it or vote it down on what they perceived as its merits. And this is an unsettling precedent.

We're used to getting that from Xenophon, sure, but aren't our independents supposed to have a narrow range of largely crazy pet issues that they force the government to accept as conditions of their complicity the rest of the time?

That's what we've come to expect in our federal upper house - hell, that was basically the campaign slogan for Family First's Bob Day - and there's a danger that this new, seemingly rational approach may shatter our proud tradition of narrow-interest horse trading.

Could this herald a dark new period in which legislation has to be examined to ensure that it makes sense and, more terrifyingly, is in the nation's best interest?It's a sobering possibility, and one that is doubtless giving the front bench some sleepless nights. After all, if Parliament start applying those sorts of standards then the government's never going to get anything passed.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:19 am

That is some great writing, and quite on-point. Agreed, the Republicans here have a whole playbook based around voter apathy; it's been demonstrated that they tend to succeed when voter turnout is low and fail when it's high.

“The wackos get their information through the Christian right, Christian radio, mail, the internet and telephone trees,” Scanlon wrote in the memo, which was read into the public record at a hearing of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee. “Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them.”

http://www.salon.com/2005/11/03/abramoff_4/

That's why we see so many efforts from their party to deny people the right to vote in the first place ...

I like Xenophon quite a bit, particularly all he's done to inform the world about what Scientology really does.

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