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Post by Guest on Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:00 am

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The Curse of Cain

After Cain killed his brother, the Lord told him, "A fugitive and a wanderer shalt thou be in the earth."

But the natural order has been reversed, instead the Abels, if they survive, become homeless
wanderers and the Cains build their Caliphates on the tombs of their victims.

"Cursed shall you be from the earth," the Lord said, and so it has been.

The earth under their feet may be cursed, it yields nothing but sand and thistles, but they are nomads, forgetting agriculture, remembering only their tradecraft of murder. They become worshipers of death dreaming of the green verdant fields of paradise which they can reach only if they kill enough men, women and children.

Leaving devastation behind them, dead lands, lost cultures, widows and orphans, they claw their way up to heaven on a ladder of bones.

Everything around them dies until the only green is on their flags. They are cursed from the earth and they curse the earth. Where they go, the world dies.

It is not murder that makes it impossible for Abel to live with Cain says the State Department, says the European Union and says the New York Times. It is Abel's fields and houses that provoke Cain.

The PLO formed a unity government with Hamas and the loud voice of consensus, the voice of men who imagine that they become god when they speak in a single voice, is that it was the Israeli houses that were to blame. It is not Cain's fault that he kills. It is Abel's fault that he builds.

Of the three kidnapped and murdered boys, two Israeli and one American, Jodi Rudoren of the New York Times wrote, "Palestinians... see the very act of attending (school) yeshiva in a West Bank settlement as provocation."

Abel is forever provoking Cain who rises up and kills him. And if only Abel hadn't had so many sheep, if only he hadn't built so well, if only he hadn't made the desert bloom, if only he hadn't won so many wars and if only G-d didn't appear to favor him.

Cain sows fields of corpses of the innocent for the Lord and he still does not understand why his sacrifice is not accepted and why the earth he dwells on is cursed.

Abel does his best to appease Cain with gifts of earth, but the earth is useless to Cain. What good is cursed earth to cursed men? What can a man plant in the desert? What can he harvest when everything dies at his touch? All he can offer is a harvest of death.

That is what he brings to the faintly remembered Creator he calls Allah. From Iraq to Iran, from Kuwait to Saudi Arabia, from Nigeria to Somalia, from Pakistan to Indonesia, he holds up human heads and cries, "Allahu Akbar."

As if G-d needs such petty proofs of superiority.

Cain cannot be appeased with earth. The earth is his curse. All that lives hates him and he hates all that lives. He tortures animals and raises dead crops. He kills his daughters and sisters, his mother, the source of his life and the source of his future, for the same honor that made Cain the first killer.

There is no use negotiating with Cain. There is no compromise that he will accept. Cain is his own curse. He loves death and that is all he will ever have. His acolytes cry, "We love death, you love life."

Cain was meant to wander the earth. To be a rootless nomad whose curse of death would not collect in any single place. He was not meant to build kingdoms of death. He was not meant to rule over a Caliphate of death and a culture of death.

There is no room for Cain anywhere. Where he remains there will be death and suffering. He will kill because it is all he can do. He has nothing else to offer the world, his own kind or the Creator.

The curse of the earth that he brings can only be lifted when he is removed from it. Only when Cain is driven out, will the land come into its fullness, will the people know peace and will the shadow lift from the valleys, mountains, rivers and cities of the land.

Cain seeks sympathy in his wanderings. With bloody hands, he pleads his case. Every one of his victims made him do it. From the east to the west and the north to the south, they all started it.

He kills from one end of the world to the next and it is never his fault. Each time, each Abel did it.

That is why the Lord put the mark of the killer on Cain's forehead. All were meant to know what Cain was and to move him along, prevent him from settling down, becoming offended and killing over his long lost honor, and then beginning a war that would lead to his own death and the deaths of others.

Cain was not to be killed. It was no use killing him because all men have a little Cain in them. The curse of Cain infects in many forms. Nazism, Communism and Islam are only a few examples of the disease. Instead Cain was meant to be a living example of the futility of evil. His accursed nature made him into a living symbol of death. Each thing he touched would be cursed by his existence.

When we remember what Cain is, when we know what his signs, the swastika, the sickle and the crescent, represent, then he is no threat to us.

We move him onward, we cast him out and drive him away before he kills us and we kill him and the cycle of bloodshed that he starts everywhere he goes begins again.

It is when we forget that he becomes truly dangerous. When Abel and Cain cannot be told apart, then Cain can pretend that he is the victim and that Abel was the killer. The blood soaks into the earth and he washes his hands of it and pretends that he knows nothing about it. Men begin playing detectives, they search for the root cause of Cain's crimes and try to understand what provoked him this time.

But even when the Lord does not speak to men, the blood can still be heard crying from the earth. A thousand years of blood, the blood of men, women and children from every race and every part of the world.

Cain has made a mountain of corpses. His Caliphate was built on bones. His code is cruelty and his holy book is written in blood on the flayed skins of his murdered victims.

A thousand years of blood calls from the earth. The cries of peoples long vanished from the earth warn us that we will either drive out Cain or his curse will fill our lands with blood and dust and all that we love and all that we have worked for will die at his cursed touch.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/the-curse-of-cain.html#sthash.Bws9l7ck.dpuf

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Post by Guest on Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:08 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:yours is merely one of many differing views on this....

you may as well consider this as accurate ....


http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html

I'm not intending to get into an argument about the relative accuracy of different theories...

however you dont have to make everything complicated...



Again I have studied the Sumerian myths, and as seen can post from memory, unlike you who needs links.

So again counter my points where you think I am wrong:


Here we go again for you:






There is no proof of Abraham existence, there is for the Aten, all archaeology points to religions for the time in the area of the Hebrews being a pantheon of deities. Only evidence appears much later for only one deity, way after the Aten. Again the bible is made up of multiple authors, so need to try and tell me what I know on the bible, in fact if you even see, Adam is created twice in two different stories, stories over lap .
Again I have studied theology, and do not forget the Hebrew religion had been going for at least 500 years before their captivity in Babylon, they thus borrowed stories, and made them their own.

I have read all the early myths of the Sumerians, where Enki creates man, not just one by the way with his own blood, or seed, and it is the God Enlil, who wants to create men to work as slaves for the Gods, it is Enki who is the champion of humans, who's representation is the serpent by the way, which is also a medical symbol, being as he was the real creator God, though Enlil is seen more as the biblical deity. It is Enlil that wants to wipe out humanity, and it is Enki who again saves humanity with building an ark, so please spare me on what I know Victor, as I know plenty. As seen Enki is portrayed as the opposite in the bible, as evil and Enlil as God. The point is much of the Hebrew religion is based around the Aten, with again stories added later whilst they were in captivity, even before this captivity, the Jews, were still worshiping other deities in the form of a consort and a son.

The biggest failing here though is again that Cain actually represents Civilizations, he is allowed to leave and builds the first city, named after his son, so this article is so way off the mark it is very embarrassing to say the least





You clearly do not know as much as you would be able to counter instead of offering lame excuses and losing your cool

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Post by stardesk on Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:46 pm

Evening folks.An interesting discussion, despite tending to drop into the cesspit.

I must agree with Didge. All the Biblical websites are going to be rather one sided, putting the story to fit their agenda, considering there are scores of different sects, who interpret the Bible to suit there own teachings. Chrisrianity is based on the Bible, with its foundations in the OT. Now, if you're going to say those stories are just allegories, then that makes a mockery of the whole religion. Examples being the creation of Adam and Eve, or the Flood. Were they just allegories? Have priests spouted a load of nonsense, lies if you like, for the last 2,000 years, fooling the general public?

You can't have it both ways. Either you believe, as is, or you dump the whole lot in the bin, as I did years ago when I finally realised it was no different to the hundreds of myths that abound in this world.

I've a lot more to say on this subject, but I'm knackered and off to bed. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:12 pm

stardesk wrote:Evening folks.An interesting discussion, despite tending to drop into the cesspit.

I must agree with Didge. All the Biblical websites are going to be rather one sided, putting the story to fit their agenda, considering there are scores of different sects, who interpret the Bible to suit there own teachings. Chrisrianity is based on the Bible, with its foundations in the OT. Now, if you're going to say those stories are just allegories, then that makes a mockery of the whole religion. Examples being the creation of Adam and Eve, or the Flood. Were they just allegories? Have priests spouted a load of nonsense, lies if you like, for the last 2,000 years, fooling the general public?

You can't have it both ways. Either you believe, as is, or you dump the whole lot in the bin, as I did years ago when I finally realised it was no different to the hundreds of myths that abound in this world.

I've a lot more to say on this subject, but I'm knackered and off to bed. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow.
i would say yes to that

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:00 am

Korben_Dallas wrote:
stardesk wrote:Evening folks.An interesting discussion, despite tending to drop into the cesspit.

I must agree with Didge. All the Biblical websites are going to be rather one sided, putting the story to fit their agenda, considering there are scores of different sects, who interpret the Bible to suit there own teachings. Chrisrianity is based on the Bible, with its foundations in the OT. Now, if you're going to say those stories are just allegories, then that makes a mockery of the whole religion. Examples being the creation of Adam and Eve, or the Flood. Were they just allegories? Have priests spouted a load of nonsense, lies if you like, for the last 2,000 years, fooling the general public?

You can't have it both ways. Either you believe, as is, or you dump the whole lot in the bin, as I did years ago when I finally realised it was no different to the hundreds of myths that abound in this world.

I've a lot more to say on this subject, but I'm knackered and off to bed. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow.
i would say yes to that

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:59 am

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:://?roflmao?/:  ://?roflmao?/: 


That has to be the funniest mumbo jumbo religious babble I have ever heard..
I know right  Laughing Laughing does he ever post his own views because all i see him post is loads of copy and pastes of others views

Now now gents. We can mock but I bet the Monty Python team is kicking itself.

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Post by stardesk on Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:14 pm

Evening folks. I’ve given a lot of thought to the Creation stories and wracked my poor old brain and come up with the following:

The Egyptians had four creator gods throughout their history, and I firmly believe that the Israelites, in Egypt about 1500 BC, would have been well aware of the current god whilst they were slaves, servants and workers. Egyptian society and beliefs were entrenched in the one-god scenario, and it is quite likely the Israelites adopted the same, adapting and embellishing the story to fit their culture etc.

The four Egyptian creator gods were Atum, later assimilated with Re, (or Ra); Ptah; Thoth, and Khnum. In Egyptian mythology there are not as many myths as we find in the Middle East and Mediterranean  civilizations. Essentially the Egyptian myths are concerned with the Creation, and destruction of mankind. Just like the stories in the OT. As I said, it is quite feasible the Israelites adopted the same God/Creation/Destruction beliefs, and took said beliefs with them when they left Egypt.

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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:24 pm

stardesk wrote:Evening folks. I’ve given a lot of thought to the Creation stories and wracked my poor old brain and come up with the following:

The Egyptians had four creator gods throughout their history, and I firmly believe that the Israelites, in Egypt about 1500 BC, would have been well aware of the current god whilst they were slaves, servants and workers. Egyptian society and beliefs were entrenched in the one-god scenario, and it is quite likely the Israelites adopted the same, adapting and embellishing the story to fit their culture etc.

The four Egyptian creator gods were Atum, later assimilated with Re, (or Ra); Ptah; Thoth, and Khnum. In Egyptian mythology there are not as many myths as we find in the Middle East and Mediterranean  civilizations. Essentially the Egyptian myths are concerned with the Creation, and destruction of mankind. Just like the stories in the OT. As I said, it is quite feasible the Israelites adopted the same God/Creation/Destruction beliefs, and took said beliefs with them when they left Egypt.
The ancient Egyptians had many creator gods
Different myths attributed the creation to different gods: the set of eight primordial deities called the Ogdoad who were eight deities worshipped in Hermopolis during what is called the "Old Kingdom"

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Post by stardesk on Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:27 pm

Hi Korben. Quite right on the gods etc. So again it's quite feasible the Israelites adopted and believed in the same Creator God/s, giving him a different name. A similar thing happened here, (UK). When missionaries first landed in Britain and especially Ireland, they persuaded the local pagan worshippers that their gods were the same as the Christian god. Both sides worshipping the same god.

When I can find it I'll post here a copy of a letter from a pope, (forget which one) in which he instructs the missionaries to do that.

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