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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:08 pm

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Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor has defended Catholic adoption agencies that discriminate against same-sex couples.

The former head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales said the Equality Act had “unnecessarily” forced many of the agencies to close in recent years.

In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor wrote: “Because of our conviction that children are better placed in a home with a man and a woman, a father and mother, the agencies were unable to offer a service to same-sex couples.

“It would in fact have been a sensible and proportionate accommodation, recognising that religious organisations have a distinct identity and ethos that very often brings a valuable contribution to the wider common good of society.”

Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor also spoke of how he unsuccessfully urged the then Prime Minister Tony Blair to provide an opt-out in the Equality Act, allowing for the agencies to discriminate against same-sex couples.

“In spite of the fact that I, as Archbishop of Westminster then, appealed to the Prime Minister and the Cabinet for an exemption from this law, it was not forthcoming and the result has been a sad loss for the Church and society.”

Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor added: “How extraordinary that a law, in the name of tolerance, should become so intolerant to a charity that aims only to do good and foster the most vulnerable children.”

He concluded: “We do indeed need in our pluralist society to strike a much fairer balance which recognises the importance of religion and belief and allows a more open and mature accommodation of differences while ensuring that the law protects everyone equally and prevents harm.”

Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor also expressed support for The Telegraph’s editorial praising Baroness Hale, the UK’s most senior female judge.

She suggested last week that Christians who oppose serving gay couples need to have more “religious freedom”.

Baroness Hale was one of the five Supreme Court justices to reject the appeal of Christian B&B owners Peter and Hazelmary Bull, who lost a long-running court dispute after refusing to serve gay couple Martin Hall and Steven Preddy.

In a speech she said “the pendulum has swung too far one way”.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/06/24/cardinal-murphy-oconnor-defends-anti-gay-adoption-agencies/


Well you can't change the statute books of both Britain and the EU as a whole.

Why not try to change them and see how far you get.  Laughing 

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Post by Stephenmarra on Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:52 pm

Stephenmarra wrote:
Philagain wrote:I hope that admin is taking note of this continuing abuse because if i was doing abuse as much as the druid is i'd be in the basement by now.

(Some of it is homophobic as well)
You have been laughing at Bee's posts, much worse than has been directed at you  so you can  just  suck it up and live with it. Not nice ehh !  Rolling Eyes


Tess wrote:Hold on - run that by me again... It's a thread accusing Christians of bigotry, but when someone mentions that the same, no worse, bigotry's being carried out by another religion, it's racist! You couldn't make it up.
A reaction or reply would good Phil.
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Post by Eilzel on Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:58 pm

When it comes to homophobia from Muslims or Christians it should be treated equally. If neither can offer children to willing homes simply because their inane beliefs don't allow them to then theirs services should be taken over by those who can.

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Post by Stephenmarra on Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:03 pm

Eilzel wrote:When it comes to homophobia from Muslims or Christians it should be treated equally. If neither can offer children to willing homes simply because their inane beliefs don't allow them to then theirs services should be taken over by those who can.
Agreed.
Thank God (pun intended) for some common sense.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:15 pm

Eilzel wrote:When it comes to homophobia from Muslims or Christians it should be treated equally. If neither can offer children to willing homes simply because their inane beliefs don't allow them to then theirs services should be taken over by those who can.

Well that's the idea. They close down the adoption agencies, and others can start them up if they want to.

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Post by Stephenmarra on Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:08 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Eilzel wrote:When it comes to homophobia from Muslims or Christians it should be treated equally. If neither can offer children to willing homes simply because their inane beliefs don't allow them to then theirs services should be taken over by those who can.

Well that's the idea. They close down the adoption agencies, and others can start them up if they want to.
And what's wrong  with that ?
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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:15 pm

Stephenmarra wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well that's the idea. They close down the adoption agencies, and others can start them up if they want to.
And what's wrong  with that ?

Nothing. Sorted. There's no need for anyone to get their knickers in a twist about "bigotry".

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:10 pm

Philagain wrote:Predictable that the druid prick would choose to troll this thread, rather than to provide any debating input.

What a sad old man, fuck off and die you stupid C**T!

Watch your language, Phil; you promised!

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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:12 pm

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Philagain wrote:Predictable that the druid prick would choose to troll this thread, rather than to provide any debating input.

What a sad old man, fuck off and die you stupid C**T!

Watch your language, Phil; you promised!

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:14 pm

Philagain wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Philagain wrote:Predictable that the druid prick would choose to troll this thread, rather than to provide any debating input.

What a sad old man, fuck off and die you stupid C**T!

Watch your language, Phil; you promised!

lol

You want to go through this again?

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