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Post by eddie on Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:45 pm

By Tom Parmenter, Sky News Correspondent, in Praia da Luz
Police officers in Praia da Luz have erected tents over several locations they have deemed significant as they use radar equipment and sniffer dogs to search scrubland close to where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Two forensic officers were seen entering the tents to examine what was hidden below.

One of the tents is covering a hole concealed by corrugated iron which was exposed on Tuesday after trees and shrubs were cut down.

Earlier, the detective leading the British review into Madeleine's disappearance, DCI Andy Redwood, examined the area which it is thought had been covered by the iron for a number of years.

Police also began using ground-penetrating radar equipment for the first time as they scoured the scrubland for a third day.

The scanners can be used to examine the sub-surface of the ground several metres down.

Experts will then look for any anomalies in the ground that may signify the earth has been disturbed.

Former Metropolitan Police search advisor Keith Farquharson told Sky News: "It will show anomalies within the earth structure (but) it won't show a skeleton like an X-ray would. "It would just show the anomaly in the ground. That would have to be investigated and the best way to do that initially is (with) victim recovery dogs."

Police have not revealed what intelligence they have that leads them to the scrubland, which is a five-minute walk from the Algarve holiday complex where three-year-old Madeleine had been staying with her family.

The youngster disappeared from her family's apartment in the Ocean Club resort in May 2007.


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This scrubland is five minutes from the apartment where she went "missing"
WHY would an 'abductor' take her and bury her five minutes away???

Where are the McCanns?

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Post by harvesmom on Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:51 pm

All I can say is that I don't know why they are bothering to use sniffer dogs when they TOTALLY disregarded what the first two sent in signalled at.
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Post by eddie on Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:55 pm

harvesmom wrote:All I can say is that I don't know why they are bothering to use sniffer dogs when they TOTALLY disregarded what the first two sent in signalled at.

Harves I'm not getting something here.....

Why is this area being searched now? Has there been a tip-off?
Also, why would an abductor take her five mins away?

Also WHERE are the McCanns whilst all this is going on? I'd be right there!

Also, will they be able to tell HOW she died and at who's hands????

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Post by harvesmom on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:02 pm

eddie wrote:
harvesmom wrote:All I can say is that I don't know why they are bothering to use sniffer dogs when they TOTALLY disregarded what the first two sent in signalled at.

Harves I'm not getting something here.....

Why is this area being searched now? Has there been a tip-off?
Also, why would an abductor take her five mins away?

Also WHERE are the McCanns whilst all this is going on? I'd be right there!

Also, will they be able to tell HOW she died and at who's hands????

The McCanns made a statement when the dig was first mentioned saying they wouldn't return to Portugal unless Madeleines DNA was found, note not body, DNA.

Don't know about a tip off etc, its all very secretive but I'm guessing they wouldn't have gone to all this trouble without a good firm lead from somewhere. Some are thinking its to do with Amarals trial as this was stopped a while back and doesn't seem to have got any further.
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Post by eddie on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:06 pm

harvesmom wrote:
eddie wrote:

Harves I'm not getting something here.....

Why is this area being searched now? Has there been a tip-off?
Also, why would an abductor take her five mins away?

Also WHERE are the McCanns whilst all this is going on? I'd be right there!

Also, will they be able to tell HOW she died and at who's hands????

The McCanns made a statement when the dig was first mentioned saying they wouldn't return to Portugal unless Madeleines DNA was found, note not body, DNA.

Don't know about a tip off etc, its all very secretive but I'm guessing they wouldn't have gone to all this trouble without a good firm lead from somewhere. Some are thinking its to do with Amarals  trial as this was stopped a while back and doesn't seem to have got any further.

What do you mean, to do with Amaral's trial??
Sorry, I stopped reading about it, it drove me mad.

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Post by harvesmom on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:18 pm

His libel case, the McCanns are suing him for saying that Madeleine is dead and causing them and the twins personal distress and harming the search for Madeleine.

Its been going on for ages, was meant to be heard January, got postponed and then February, then May. Its been postponed now till the 16th June.

Interestingly Gerry is planning on speaking at the trial, so he can tip up in Portugal when money is concerned but not when they are digging looking for his daughter.
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Post by Stephenmarra on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:23 pm

Nervously awaits the  return of Debunker.  Suspect    pale   affraid   ::lightsab::   ::smthg::
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Post by harvesmom on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:25 pm

Stephenmarra wrote:Nervously awaits the  return of Debunker.  Suspect    pale   affraid   ::lightsab::   ::smthg::

 Shocked Shocked  OMG do you remember him as well!
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Post by eddie on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:26 pm

harvesmom wrote:His libel case, the McCanns are suing him for saying that Madeleine is dead and causing them and the twins personal distress and harming the search for Madeleine.

Its been going on for ages, was meant to be heard January, got postponed and then February, then May. Its been postponed now till the 16th June.

Interestingly Gerry is planning on speaking at the trial, so he can tip up in Portugal when money is concerned but not when they are digging looking for his daughter.

Right yes I knew about the case but not the continual postponements.
Are they having to look at some thing before the trial can go ahead?

Gerry. Less said about him the better. We all know the gist of him.

You reckon this is it then? They have found her?
Although I thought this area had been scoured at the beginning????

I hope it's her; She needs to be laid to rest.

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Post by eddie on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:27 pm

harvesmom wrote:
Stephenmarra wrote:Nervously awaits the  return of Debunker.  Suspect    pale   affraid   ::lightsab::   ::smthg::

 Shocked Shocked  OMG do you remember him as well!


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Post by Stephenmarra on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:31 pm

harvesmom wrote:
Stephenmarra wrote:Nervously awaits the  return of Debunker.  Suspect    pale   affraid   ::lightsab::   ::smthg::

 Shocked Shocked  OMG do you remember him as well!

Not someone you can forget in a hurry.    Shocked
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Post by eddie on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:36 pm

Hey harves, is Debbie still flip-flapping her way around the globe?
She can stop off and offer her advice.

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Post by harvesmom on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:39 pm

eddie wrote:
harvesmom wrote:His libel case, the McCanns are suing him for saying that Madeleine is dead and causing them and the twins personal distress and harming the search for Madeleine.

Its been going on for ages, was meant to be heard January, got postponed and then February, then May. Its been postponed now till the 16th June.

Interestingly Gerry is planning on speaking at the trial, so he can tip up in Portugal when money is concerned but not when they are digging looking for his daughter.

Right yes I knew about the case but not the continual postponements.
Are they having to look at some thing before the trial can go ahead?

Gerry. Less said about him the better. We all know the gist of him.

You reckon this is it then? They have found her?
Although I thought this area had been scoured at the beginning????

I hope it's her;  She needs to be laid to rest.

Its just maybe a coincidence with the dates, I don't know tbh.

The area was searched immediately she went missing, as far as I know the victim recovery dog/cadaver dog weren't taken to those areas though.

Don't know if they have found her Edds, all I can think is its a lot of trouble to go to, they can't just arrive and start digging they have had to get permission from owners/courts/police etc. And very specific areas are being looked at. But if the McCanns are being kept informed, maybe they are looking more for items with DNA on rather than anything else.
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Post by harvesmom on Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:18 pm

eddie wrote:Hey harves, is Debbie still flip-flapping her way around the globe?
She can stop off and offer her advice.

 lol!  the only person ever to walk the length of Portugal in a pair of flip flops  jocolor 

I think she gave up half way through, she had sunstroke and blisters. And she did all that training for it as well! She is still around on Twitter apparently so she obviously landed somewhere eventually.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:36 pm

Saw a bit of an interview with McCanns the other day and she said they go there every year....



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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Saw a bit of an interview with McCanns the other day and she said they go there every year....



Yes. I saw that.
What do you think of them Matt?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:38 pm

Unconvincing liars.

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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:44 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Unconvincing liars.

Yep, pretty much.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:48 pm

Read the in depth summary of Portuguese detectives book.....

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Post by slayhamlet on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:58 pm

This is the beginning of the end now. They want to pin this on someone. Something will be found that is linked to these mythical PDL burglars and then the vile McCanns can live happily ever after.

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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:14 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Read the in depth summary of Portuguese detectives book.....

The truth of a lie?
I have read some of it.
Have you read it Matt?

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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:15 pm

slayhamlet wrote:This  is the beginning of the end now. They want to pin this on someone. Something will be found that is linked to these mythical PDL burglars and then the vile McCanns can live happily ever after.

Hmmm I think this will be pinned on some random criminal and case closed.

Or.

Are these police genuinely after the McCanns?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:25 pm

I read the in depth chapter by chapter summary Eddie.



Was quite conclusive....




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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:55 am

Tommy Monk wrote:I read the in depth chapter by chapter summary Eddie.



Was quite conclusive....





So sum up for me Matt. I like hearing other people's views on this!
Or links to what you found conclusive?

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Post by slayhamlet on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:01 am

eddie wrote:
slayhamlet wrote:This  is the beginning of the end now. They want to pin this on someone. Something will be found that is linked to these mythical PDL burglars and then the vile McCanns can live happily ever after.

Hmmm I think this will be pinned on some random criminal and case closed.

Or.

Are these police genuinely after the McCanns?

I don't think the police are really after the McCanns. These child abusing masons all tend to stick together. You only need to read the Gaspar's statements to know what this was all really about.

Or are the McCanns about to be thrown to the wolves to protect some more important people? Rather like Savile and his mates have been.


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slayhamlet wrote:
eddie wrote:

Hmmm I think this will be pinned on some random criminal and case closed.

Or.

Are these police genuinely after the McCanns?

I don't think the police are really after the McCanns. These child abusing masons all tend to stick together. You only need to read the Gaspar's statements to know what this was all really about.

Or are the McCanns about to be thrown to the wolves to protect some more important people? Rather like Savile and his mates have been.



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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:02 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I read the in depth chapter by chapter summary Eddie.
Was quite conclusive....
So sum up for me Matt. I like hearing other people's views on this!
Or links to what you found conclusive?


Have a look for the book summary,....


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Post by slayhamlet on Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:24 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
eddie wrote:
So sum up for me Matt. I like hearing other people's views on this!
Or links to what you found conclusive?


Have a look for the book summary,....



Or watch the documentary on youtube. It's a real eye-opener.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:36 pm

slayhamlet wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Have a look for the book summary,....



Or watch the documentary on youtube. It's a real eye-opener.

I think I will. I keep only seeing parts of it.

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Post by slayhamlet on Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:49 pm

eddie wrote:
slayhamlet wrote:

Or watch the documentary on youtube. It's a real eye-opener.

I think I will. I keep only seeing parts of it.

Their behaviour was truly bizarre. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they were responsible and the PJ might have nailed them but for the interference from Gordon Brown and the like.

This latest farce with the digging is just a performance. We have a seasoned, senior Met detective telling us that a gang of drug dealing burglars took Madeleine with them then buried her 300 yards away. Bollocks. I don't know how he can even keep a straight face.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:13 pm

Why would any stranger creep into the apartment, kill the girl and then take away her body just to bury it down the road?



But if the McCanns were responsible for her death, then there is every reason to take away the body and hide it.



The girl definately died in that apartment that night.


The sniffer dogs confirmed death and found blood there, and later on in and around the McCanns hire car and other items.







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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:25 pm

Totally agree with you both.
There are some many inconsistencies and things that just don't add up.

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Post by slayhamlet on Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Why would any stranger creep into the apartment, kill the girl and then take away her body just to bury it down the road?



But if the McCanns were responsible for her death, then there is every reason to take away the body and hide it.



The girl definately died in that apartment that night.


The sniffer dogs confirmed death and found blood there, and later on in and around the McCanns hire car and other items.







I wouldn't be so sure that she died that night. She could well have died any time in the 24 hours beforehand.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:23 pm

I think she almost definitely died before the day she "disappeared"
You can easily hide a body when no one is looking for one.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:18 pm

Was she not seen for a while before reported missing?

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Post by FluffyBunny on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Unconvincing liars.

You think the mother and father are liars? Shocked 

Why??

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Post by FluffyBunny on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:33 pm

There is no way that couple killed their little girl.

I don't know how anyone could think such a thing.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:37 pm

Read the in depth chapter by chapter summary of the Portuguese detectives book......



Do you know anything about The real facts around this case?




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Post by FluffyBunny on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:41 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Read the in depth chapter by chapter summary of the  Portuguese detectives book......



Do you know anything about The real facts around this case?




I have to confess not but surely if there was evidence that the parents had any involvement they would have been convicted?

You mentioned about the traces of blood in the car etc.If this was correct why was it not pursued?

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Post by slayhamlet on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:45 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Read the in depth chapter by chapter summary of the  Portuguese detectives book......



Do you know anything about The real facts around this case?




I have to confess not but surely if there was evidence that the parents had any involvement they would have been convicted?

You mentioned about the traces of blood in the car etc.If this was correct why was it not pursued?

It was pursued.

The Portuguese police made the terrible mistake of sending the car DNA samples to the British FSS, who then made sure that the evidence was tainted and useless.

There is absolutely no doubt about their guilt whatsoever. Blood and cadaver scent was found all over their apartment, car and clothes.

They are getting away with it because they are masons.

Just google "Gaspars statements." This is all about organised child abuse gone wrong.

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Post by FluffyBunny on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:51 pm

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I have to confess not but surely if there was evidence that the parents had any involvement they would have been convicted?

You mentioned about the traces of blood in the car etc.If this was correct why was it not pursued?

It was pursued.

The Portuguese police made the terrible mistake of sending the car DNA samples to the British FSS, who then made sure that the evidence was tainted and useless.

There is absolutely no doubt about their guilt whatsoever. Blood and cadaver scent was found all over their apartment, car and clothes.

They are getting away with it because they are masons.

Just google "Gaspars statements."  This is all about organised child abuse gone wrong.

Good Gracious,I will google it.I had not heard of this,well I had heard that some people were convinced of their guilt but I dismissed it as a conspiracy theory.

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Post by harvesmom on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:53 pm

Here's an interesting video for you to watch Fluffy, Eddie (the one with the wet black nose, not our Edds lol)  and Keela, a cadaver dog and a victim recovery dog scenting what they are trained to scent in the apartment and in the hire car.

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Post by slayhamlet on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:55 pm

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It was pursued.

The Portuguese police made the terrible mistake of sending the car DNA samples to the British FSS, who then made sure that the evidence was tainted and useless.

There is absolutely no doubt about their guilt whatsoever. Blood and cadaver scent was found all over their apartment, car and clothes.

They are getting away with it because they are masons.

Just google "Gaspars statements."  This is all about organised child abuse gone wrong.

Good Gracious,I will google it.I had not heard of this,well I had heard that some people were convinced of their guilt but I dismissed it as a conspiracy theory.

You were meant to dismiss it. The media handling of this was very well organised. The three vile hags, Lorraine Kelly, Fiona Philips and Coleen Nolan went onto live TV and radio saying that anybody who suspected the parents was "mentally ill."

Why on earth would you think they couldn't be involved? The parents are always the first people that the police look at. And with good reason. The vast majority of killed, disappeared or abused kids are victimised by their own family.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:06 pm

Why would multiple media outlets conspire to protect Madeleine McCann's parents from murder charges?

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Post by harvesmom on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:23 pm

You'd probably need to ask Tal & Qual, The Daily Express, the Daily Star, and their Sunday equivalents that question  Neutral 

These are the only papers who dared print anything negative about the parents, and they all got sued. However the Portugese police files are freely available to read on line, and these tell a very different story to the one that is reported by the world press.
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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:30 pm

harvesmom wrote:You'd probably need to ask Tal & Qual, The Daily Express, the Daily Star, and their Sunday equivalents that question  Neutral 

These are the only papers who dared print anything negative about the parents, and they all got sued. However the Portugese police files are freely available to read on line, and these tell a very different story to the one that is reported by the world press.

I mean, what possible motivation could they have? Why would any media outlet, let alone several of them in conspiracy, decide, "Hey, hands off the McCanns, no matter what the evidence might suggest"?

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Post by slayhamlet on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:36 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Why would multiple media outlets conspire to protect Madeleine McCann's parents from murder charges?

Same reason everyone at the BBC, even Esther Rantzen, never mentioned Savile abusing kids despite them all knowing about it.

We are living in a country where 62 milk teeth can be found in a basement dungeon of Haut de la gaurenne and be dismissed as having been "shed naturally." A country where savile can become head of Broadmoor and nobody question why.

Why wouldn't they protect the McCanns if the McCanns are well connected? How else do you explain the bizarre statements from virtually everyone in a position of media power?

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:59 pm

Most of the people that dismiss these things as conspiracies haven't really looked into to the case, read the statements of the Gaspars, the Tapas 7 and also Kate McCann's own book where she contradicts her own statement about Madeleine's last supper!
They haven't read any of The truth of the lie, and they certainly haven't delved right into the heart of the matter.
Haven't asked why Gerry had Sky News on his mobile and why they were the first people he rang, why Gordon Brown personally got involved with this one missing child when he never did with any others, why Kate and Gerry were seen laughing and smiling on her fourth birthday only a few days after she had vanished and why.....!

If a stranger had taken her, they would kill her and bury her body so close to the murder scene????


If a story throws up more questions than answers it usually means it isn't true.

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Post by harvesmom on Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:14 am

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harvesmom wrote:You'd probably need to ask Tal & Qual, The Daily Express, the Daily Star, and their Sunday equivalents that question  Neutral 

These are the only papers who dared print anything negative about the parents, and they all got sued. However the Portugese police files are freely available to read on line, and these tell a very different story to the one that is reported by the world press.

I mean, what possible motivation could they have? Why would any media outlet, let alone several of them in conspiracy, decide, "Hey, hands off the McCanns, no matter what the evidence might suggest"?

Having to hand over half a million pounds and printing 4 front page apologies would be motivation enough I guess.

I suppose until it is proven in a court of law that they are responsible for her disappearance then newspapers are on dodgy ground reporting anything that is considered to be negative, especially as they have history of suing people for speaking out. (Although I would bow to your superior knowledge on that) Its not just newspapers, there is the on going case with Amaral and also they sued Tony Bennett who is a former solicitor who was involved with the Madeleine foundation.
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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:23 am

Well, I haven't followed the case very closely, let alone read a book on it, but if you print that someone killed their kid without evidence supporting it, or at the very least very carefully wording it, you can be and probably deserve to be sued.

But media outlets being too scared of a lawsuit to report on the case is a long way from being a media conspiracy to cover up anything.

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