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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:48 am

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/06/02/3443919/teen-girls-dress-code-bra-straps/

As temperatures heat up, teenage girls across Canada are being kicked out of school for their summer attire. Between 20 and 30 girls in the Newfoundland and Labrador province were sent home at the end of last week for wearing sleeveless shirts that exposed their bra straps — leading some of them to complain that administrators are unfairly targeting girls who just want to dress comfortably.

Menihek High School sent home a group of female students last week for wearing spaghetti strap shirts, saying that violates the institution’s dress code. Although a few male students were also asked to leave for wearing sleeveless shirts, the school district allegedly approached the issue slightly differently with female students because they’re specifically worried about girls’ bare skin becoming a distraction.

Emily Connors, one of the students who was sent home, told CBC News that the girls who were asked to leave were told it was “because of our bra straps, and that it was inappropriate because some of the male teachers, and male students found it distracting for them.” Other students told the National Post that the school has been explicit about the fact that their bare shoulders could “invite unneeded attention” from male students because “boys will be boys.”

“We were actually given a presentation at the beginning of every school year, and they were telling us, ‘Well, you can’t wear certain types of shirts because they’re afraid that male students will take it the wrong way,’” recounted 12th grader Danielle Matias, who wasn’t asked to go home last week but who is still opposed to the school’s dress code.

Some parents are frustrated with Menihek High School as well. Emily’s father, Gary Connors, said that the school’s reasoning is “outrageous” and “as far as I’m concerned, what a woman wears doesn’t give a guy a right to do anything to them [or] say anything to them.”

The female students say they weren’t trying to violate the dress code, but they wanted to dress appropriately for the Canadian province’s unseasonably warm weather. Temperatures reached nearly 70 degrees last week, which is “a virtual heat wave in the harsh subarctic city,” according to the National Post.

This has been an recurring issue in Canada this spring. Over the past month, several teen girls across different provinces have been sent home from school for wearing shorts and sleeveless shirts. Now, some of them are fighting back against what they perceive as sexist dress codes. Last week, a 14-year-old in Ottawa wore a spaghetti strap shirt specifically to protest her school’s policy. And a 15-year-old in Quebec recently started hanging up signs around her high school telling school administrators, “It’s hot outside. Instead of shaming girls for their bodies, teach boys that girls are not sexual objects.”

Dress code issues certainly aren’t specific to our neighbor to the north. Here in the United States, schools across the country work to police girls’ necklines and hemlines so they aren’t a “distraction” to their male peers. Girls have been kicked out of prom for wearing short skirts, banned from wearing leggings to class, and even photoshopped to appear as though they’re showing less skin in their yearbook photos. There’s a common thread running throughout these examples: The assumption that it’s young women’s responsibility to cover up their bodies because men just can’t help themselves. Dress code critics point out that’s the same cultural attitude that contributes to rape culture and the normalization of violence against women.

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:53 am

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/06/01/3443544/teenage-girl-humiliated-for-wearing-shorts-slams-school-for-shaming-girls-for-their-bodies/

Another one......

Pretty Sad really, but I guess people in cold places aren't used to seeing skin?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:41 am

Oh my, bra straps. Paging John Ashcroft!

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:42 am

Btw, that's quite the welcome wagon, Veya Smile

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:45 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:Btw, that's quite the welcome wagon, Veya Smile

Actually that is any afternoon at the beach 8 months of the year  Cool Cool Cool Cool 

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:49 am

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Ben_Reilly wrote:Btw, that's quite the welcome wagon, Veya Smile

Actually that is any afternoon at the beach 8 months of the year  Cool Cool Cool Cool 

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Post by eddie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:04 am

If that particular area doesn't like girls distracting boys why don't they just not have mixed-sex schools?

And actually, wearing sleeveless tops does NOT make you cooler: it's the very reason Asians and Arabs cover up in hot weather.

Still, if the males are getting distracted then they need to deal with it really!

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:37 am

Showing your bra straps just looks untidy and vulgar, so I think the school are right about that.

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:40 am

@eddie
if you can get in the shade less clothes is cooler...IMO

But yeah seriously they need to get over it, Bra straps? they would explode on a trip down under  Cool  Cool  Cool  Cool  Cool 

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Post by Cass on Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:31 pm

its a school not a beach.....parents and students are aware of dress codes....if they don't like it take your kids elsewhere or homeschool them. this is why I loved school uniforms back in the Uk.

you will find that most schools and places of business have a dress code. its not rocket science. personally I don't want to be served any place by someone with their boons or moobs hanging out or a Butt crack showing or a gross of smelly hair under their pits. its unhygenic and just tacky.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:52 pm

Nah veya...for get the "fress codes"
forget everything else

soon all these ladies here will be parceled up in burkahs and walking around like animated post boxes


creeping islamisation...

drip drip drip

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Post by eddie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:31 pm

Cass wrote:its a school not a beach.....parents and students are aware of dress codes....if they don't like it take your kids elsewhere or homeschool them. this is why I loved school uniforms back in the Uk.

you will find that most schools and places of business have a dress code. its not rocket science. personally I don't want to be served any place by someone with their boons or moobs hanging out or a Butt crack showing or a gross of smelly hair under their pits. its unhygenic and just tacky.

Completely agree Cass and well said  sunny 

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Post by Cass on Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:33 am

victorisnotamused wrote:Nah veya...for get the "fress codes"
forget everything else

soon all these ladies here will be parceled up in burkahs and walking around like animated post boxes


creeping islamisation...

drip drip drip

Do you need a stopcock?  :asballsas?: 

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:16 am

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We also have made the most Improvements in curing skin cancers (thanks again Science)

And most of them aren't that bad and are easily treated it is only really melanoma that is still fatal

Also here in the land of eternal sunshine we have the 9th highest life expectancy (83) while you lot in the Isle of Perpetual gloom is 29th (81)


Interesting there is a 5 year gap between men and women in Australia but only a 3 year gap in the UK.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:01 am

But this story is really about the same thing that led to the burqa in fundie Islamic states and "moderate dress" among some Christian groups, let alone all the assholes who blame rape on the victim dressing provocatively -- first, the notion that women are responsible if men are distracted around them, second, that men are insane sex monsters who can't carry on if there's a pretty woman showing some skin around them.

Let me just say, there is no level of covering up a teen girl can do to keep a teen boy from being interested. When I was that age I thought girls looked hot in marching band uniforms! If we had not evolved to be the way we are, there might not be any of us around to discuss it now.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:28 am


I should have known a story on this site about Canadian kids being sent from school would morph into a discussion about Islam and the burka within a day.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:33 am

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I should have known a story on this site about Canadian kids being sent from school would morph into a discussion about Islam and the burka within a day.

Just using it as an example, Love -- at least, that's what I've always viewed such tendencies as.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:36 am

Another example would be the old Christian belief that the bottom half of a man was evil but the entirety of a woman's body was evil ...

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Ben_Reilly wrote:
lovedust wrote:
I should have known a story on this site about Canadian kids being sent from school would morph into a discussion about Islam and the burka within a day.

Just using it as an example, Love -- at least, that's what I've always viewed such tendencies as.

Oh no, I was meaning yesterday, rather than just now.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:42 am

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Damn straight.

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Post by Cass on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:21 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:But this story is really about the same thing that led to the burqa in fundie Islamic states and "moderate dress" among some Christian groups, let alone all the assholes who blame rape on the victim dressing provocatively -- first, the notion that women are responsible if men are distracted around them, second, that men are insane sex monsters who can't carry on if there's a pretty woman showing some skin around them.

Let me just say, there is no level of covering up a teen girl can do to keep a teen boy from being interested. When I was that age I thought girls looked hot in marching band uniforms! If we had not evolved to be the way we are, there might not be any of us around to discuss it now.

horse hockey - its about someone turning a molehill into a mountain by not wanting to follow rules. somebody has now turned this into a whole hooley about surpressing women's rights to dress how they want - bull cookies again.

we just got issued a new dress code for the county...you don't see me screaming and crying because I cant wear spaghetti straps or a sheer shirt or jeans (ok I am miffed at that especially for the weekends but I ain't going to risk losing my job over it).

they should be on their hands and knees thanking the spirit in the sky (ace song by the way) that a) they have clothes to wear in the first place and b) that they live somewhere that doesn't force women to be truly second class citizens and are forced to wear something that if they don't could see them in prison or dead.

cry me a river.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:47 am

Cass wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:But this story is really about the same thing that led to the burqa in fundie Islamic states and "moderate dress" among some Christian groups, let alone all the assholes who blame rape on the victim dressing provocatively -- first, the notion that women are responsible if men are distracted around them, second, that men are insane sex monsters who can't carry on if there's a pretty woman showing some skin around them.

Let me just say, there is no level of covering up a teen girl can do to keep a teen boy from being interested. When I was that age I thought girls looked hot in marching band uniforms! If we had not evolved to be the way we are, there might not be any of us around to discuss it now.

horse hockey - its about someone turning a molehill into a mountain by not wanting to follow rules. somebody has now turned this into a whole hooley about surpressing women's rights to dress how they want - bull cookies again.

we just got issued a new dress code for the county...you don't see me screaming and crying because I cant wear spaghetti straps or a sheer shirt or jeans (ok I am miffed at that especially for the weekends but I ain't going to risk losing my job over it).

they should be on their hands and knees thanking the spirit in the sky (ace song by the way) that a) they have clothes to wear in the first place and b) that they live somewhere that doesn't force women to be truly second class citizens and are forced to wear something that if they don't could see them in prison or dead.

cry me a river.

they are being told "if you don't wear what we say, you wont get educated"
we are nations that Don't treat women like Shit, because we Don't Believe that is an acceptable ultimatum to give a young woman.
Like Many Men in Australia I am fighting for (and we are winning) the right to wear shorts to work... Dress for the weather.... Fuck the rest  ::D:: ::D:: ::D:: ::D:: ::D:: ::D:: 
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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:57 am

Seems like a cape would be rather warm ...

But I agree -- sorry, Cass. High school is a time when people play around with how they project themselves to the world, and if we're worrying about girls showing their shoulders, we're on a bad path.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:57 am

And Veya, I say, if you want to wear a cape then wear it. I always sort of pictured you in one anyway Smile

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veya_victaous wrote:
Cass wrote:

horse hockey - its about someone turning a molehill into a mountain by not wanting to follow rules. somebody has now turned this into a whole hooley about surpressing women's rights to dress how they want - bull cookies again.

we just got issued a new dress code for the county...you don't see me screaming and crying because I cant wear spaghetti straps or a sheer shirt or jeans (ok I am miffed at that especially for the weekends but I ain't going to risk losing my job over it).

they should be on their hands and knees thanking the spirit in the sky (ace song by the way) that a) they have clothes to wear in the first place and b) that they live somewhere that doesn't force women to be truly second class citizens and are forced to wear something that if they don't could see them in prison or dead.

cry me a river.

they are being told "if you don't wear what we say, you wont get educated"
we are nations that Don't treat women like Shit, because we Don't Believe that is an acceptable ultimatum to give a young woman.
Like Many Men in Australia I am fighting for (and we are winning) the right to wear shorts to work... Dress for the weather.... Fuck the rest  ::D:: ::D:: ::D:: ::D:: ::D:: ::D:: 
it all just Racist  Razz  Why should I have to wear an Ugly uncomfortable Anglo suit... Samurai Pants are so Much more comfortable ... and Dammit I want a Cape  Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 

Enforcing school uniform rules isn't really treating pupils "like shit" though, is it? Many a workplace will require these kids to have the discipline to adhere to dress codes when they're adult.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:39 am

Let them worry about it when they're in the workplace, says I. Until then, let them be young and show their freakin' bra straps if they want.

We're talking about this:

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Not like they're parading around half-naked or something.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:40 am

And this quote says it all:

Well, you can’t wear certain types of shirts because they’re afraid that male students will take it the wrong way.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:03 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:Let them worry about it when they're in the workplace, says I. Until then, let them be young and show their freakin' bra straps if they want.

We're talking about this:

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Not like they're parading around half-naked or something.

School is a work-place - that's the whole point of enforcing dress codes. The school has every right to require underwear not be visible.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:14 am

Okay, they have that right, but is it wise?

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:16 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:Okay, they have that right, but is it wise?

That's a value judgment.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:17 am

I guess what I'm trying to say is, shouldn't we make allowances for the things people do when they're young and not try to force them to act like adults before they have to?

Probably not a popular opinion, but I know I'm not the only one who thinks that teens are far better off when they get to try the things they're itching to try in a safe and supervised environment, then when they're subject to draconian rules that they're only going to rebel against anyway.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:38 am

a) It's not draconian to advise people they ought not bear their underwear in a place of work
b) It's not forcing children to act like adults to advise them not to bear their underwear in a place of work

Do you like seeing other men's underpants when you're at work, Ben?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:39 am

lovedust wrote:a) It's not draconian to advise people they ought not bear their underwear in a place of  work
b) It's not forcing children to act like adults to advise them not to bear their underwear in a place of work

Do you like seeing other men's underpants when you're at work, Ben?

Oh God, yes Smile

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:44 am

OK, Love -- and I'm being somewhat conciliatory here so you should feel special -- perhaps I'm just a bit too old to think of bra straps as the big deal they could be to teen boys.

I'm 17. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:57 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:OK, Love -- and I'm being somewhat conciliatory here so you should feel special -- perhaps I'm just a bit too old to think of bra straps as the big deal they could be to teen boys.

I'm 17. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex.

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Well. The same way you may find it inappropriate to see other men's underwear at work, girls may find it inappropriate to have to see other girls' underwear when they're trying to work.

That's all I can say really

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:04 am

lovedust wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:OK, Love -- and I'm being somewhat conciliatory here so you should feel special -- perhaps I'm just a bit too old to think of bra straps as the big deal they could be to teen boys.

I'm 17. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex.

- Xander Harris, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Well. The same way you may find it inappropriate to see other men's underwear at work, girls may find it inappropriate to have to see other girls' underwear when they're trying to work.

That's all I can say really

Didn't think of the effect it might have on girls, I must say. I imagine there's a whole other issue at play there.

I still have to say, though, the opposite lesson could be valuable as well -- don't judge others by their clothing? Some white people will cross the street if they see a black person coming toward them down the sidewalk, but they'd do the same if they saw a white person with a biker jacket coming toward them. And people in biker jackets can be some of the nicest people you could ever meet!

http://thebigtexastoyrun.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/02/21/bikers-roll-to-soldiers-funerals-to-counter-anti-gay-protests/

And yes, I realize I'm all over the place at this point. Smile

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Ben_Reilly wrote:And Veya, I say, if you want to wear a cape then wear it. I always sort of pictured you in one anyway Smile

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:43 am

And Screw this Adults thing  :aspffftas: 

Let us throw of the shackles of Anglo Culture
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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:45 am

lovedust wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:OK, Love -- and I'm being somewhat conciliatory here so you should feel special -- perhaps I'm just a bit too old to think of bra straps as the big deal they could be to teen boys.

I'm 17. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex.

- Xander Harris, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Well. The same way you may find it inappropriate to see other men's underwear at work, girls may find it inappropriate to have to see other girls' underwear when they're trying to work.

That's all I can say really

Nope no problem  :asboredas: 
we need to cut back on homophobia and stuff anyway... Let the Boys wears Skirts If they wish  :askissas: 

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Post by Cass on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:03 pm

lovedust wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:Let them worry about it when they're in the workplace, says I. Until then, let them be young and show their freakin' bra straps if they want.
We're talking about this:
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Not like they're parading around half-naked or something.
School is a work-place - that's the whole point of enforcing dress codes. The school has every right to require underwear not be visible.

exactly. let them do their own thing in their own choice of clothes on their own time.

parents and children are made aware of school rules before they even register - happens every year - you get a few who think the rules don't apply to them. if you don't like it go elsewhere or homeschool the little treasures.

seriously I don't want to see others Butt cracks, Butt cheeks, boobs,moobs what have you at work. its not professional its tacky and lets be honest here - in a few cases it doesn't fit. if they want to be like that at home or the grocery store fine. I have a tattoo and piercings but they are for my enjoyment not anyone else's and they get covered up when I am in a professional capacity then on show (sometimes) in my own time.

I will say it again if you cant follow a set of rules either school or work then you are welcome to start up your own school or business. simples.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:56 am

Dress codes and uniforms aside, what is discredited in the eyes of the law--in the US, at least--is the reasoning that because someone of the opposite sex is affected, that should govern someone of your sex's dress, or behaviour...whatever.

I know a lot of guys who go commando (don't wear anything under their Levi's). I also know a lot of girls who are inveterate crotch-watchers. Can you imagine a rule that says a boy must dress so-and-so, because a girl might be distracted?

It's roles...and outright sexism.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:12 am

Original Quill wrote:Dress codes and uniforms aside, what is discredited in the eyes of the law--in the US, at least--is the reasoning that because someone of the opposite sex is affected, that should govern someone of your sex's dress, or behaviour...whatever.

I know a lot of guys who go commando (don't wear anything under their Levi's). I also know a lot of girls who are inveterate crotch-watchers.

confused

Can you imagine a rule that says a boy must dress so-and-so, because a girl might be distracted?

It's roles...and outright sexism.

Quill, you said you had a female acquaintance take your secretary shopping to get her more appropriately attired for the workplace. I see these school rules as attempting to do the same thing. I don't see why that would be sexist.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:38 am

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Original Quill wrote:Dress codes and uniforms aside, what is discredited in the eyes of the law--in the US, at least--is the reasoning that because someone of the opposite sex is affected, that should govern someone of your sex's dress, or behaviour...whatever.

I know a lot of guys who go commando (don't wear anything under their Levi's).  I also know a lot of girls who are inveterate crotch-watchers.

confused

Can you imagine a rule that says a boy must dress so-and-so, because a girl might be distracted?

It's roles...and outright sexism.

Quill, you said you had a female acquaintance take your secretary shopping to get her more appropriately attired for the workplace. I see these school rules as attempting to do the same thing. I don't see why that would be sexist.

No, it's entirely different. What I did was promote a worker from my Phoenix office to my San Francisco office. Now, there is a huge difference between cow-poking, shit-kicking, rodeoing Phoenix, and formal, straight-laced banker's San Francisco. This employee needed to learn how to cope in a new environment. She was hob-nobbing with bankers and insurance people, not Phoenix cowboys with shit on their boots.

But the real point is, it had nothing to do with boys who would get erections if she wore the wrong thing; it was simply fitting in with a new place. That's a completely different matter than school rules admittedly formulated for purposes having to do with the sexual reactions of another gender. I see the latter as not only sexist on its face, but prejudicially placing the blame on the wrong person.

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Quill, you said you had a female acquaintance take your secretary shopping to get her more appropriately attired for the workplace. I see these school rules as attempting to do the same thing. I don't see why that would be sexist.

No, it's entirely different.  What I did was promote a worker from my Phoenix office to my San Francisco office.  Now, there is a huge difference between cow-poking, shit-kicking, rodeoing Phoenix, and formal, straight-laced banker's San Francisco.  This employee needed to learn how to cope in a new environment.  She was hob-nobbing with bankers and insurance people, not Phoenix cowboys with shit on their boots.

It sounds like the aim was to formalise dress, which was also the aim of this school.

But the real point is, it had nothing to do with boys who would get erections if she wore the wrong thing; it was simply fitting in with a new place. That's a completely different matter than school rules admittedly formulated for purposes having to do with the sexual reactions of another gender.  I see the latter as not only sexist on its face, but prejudicially placing the blame on the wrong person.

Hmm I disagree; boys who wore sleeveless shirts were also sent home. Who do you suppose it to be sexist toward? 

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No, it's entirely different.  What I did was promote a worker from my Phoenix office to my San Francisco office.  Now, there is a huge difference between cow-poking, shit-kicking, rodeoing Phoenix, and formal, straight-laced banker's San Francisco.  This employee needed to learn how to cope in a new environment.  She was hob-nobbing with bankers and insurance people, not Phoenix cowboys with shit on their boots.

It sounds like the aim was to formalise dress, which was also the aim of this school.

But the real point is, it had nothing to do with boys who would get erections if she wore the wrong thing; it was simply fitting in with a new place. That's a completely different matter than school rules admittedly formulated for purposes having to do with the sexual reactions of another gender.  I see the latter as not only sexist on its face, but prejudicially placing the blame on the wrong person.

Hmm I disagree; boys who wore sleeveless shirts were also sent home. Who do you suppose it to be sexist toward? 

Admittedly, the aim is to formalise dress in both cases.  But the rationale in my case was not built on the premise that the opposite sex would be aroused without the restrictions.

In response to your second point...again, it was not alleged that boys in sleeveless shirts improperly aroused young girls.  So it was just a matter of decorum.

The point I believe you are missing is that it is unfair to blame one gender for the response in another gender.  It's reminiscent of the argument that a woman invites rape by the clothes she wears.  Blaming the victim is not a real solution for the problem.

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It sounds like the aim was to formalise dress, which was also the aim of this school.



Hmm I disagree; boys who wore sleeveless shirts were also sent home. Who do you suppose it to be sexist toward? 

Admittedly, the aim is to formalise dress in both cases.  But the rationale in my case was not built on the premise that the opposite sex would be aroused without the restrictions.

In response to your second point...again, it was not alleged that boys in sleeveless shirts improperly aroused young girls.  So it was just a matter of decorum.

The point I believe you are missing is that it is unfair to blame one gender for the response in another gender.  It's reminiscent of the argument that a woman invites rape by the clothes she wears.  Blaming the victim is not a real solution for the problem.

It's fair to require pupils to dress formally in a formal setting, such as a school.

Showing one's underwear is an informal way to dress; it's quite reasonable for an educational estabishment to prohibit this IMHO.

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