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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:04 pm

29th April 2014

I've just read that Tube workers are on strike again - not sure if drivers are included and I think I heard teachers may be going on strike soon over pay and conditions.

Now, I believe teachers, when qualified are on around £40 - £50,000 as a teacher and £50,000+ as a headteacher, and train and tube drivers are on £35 - £50,000 - and of course in jobs like that you can get plenty of overtime if you so wish (same with the police and NHS).

My wife earns £12,000 working full time in a bank - as a cashier and has never been on strike over pay and conditions.

What is a good salary for a full time job (35 - 40 hours)?

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Post by Andy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:01 pm

All depends.
Rwers will only call anything over £50k for themselves a decent wage, but are happy for everyone else a salary on minimum wage is perfectly acceptable. That is because tories are greedy , self, self, I'm all right, Jack individuals.

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:02 pm

Handy Andy wrote:All depends.
Rwers will only call anything over £50k for themselves a decent wage, but are happy for everyone else a salary on minimum wage is perfectly acceptable.  That is because tories are greedy , self, self, I'm all right, Jack individuals.


Hi Andy - I'm asking the posters on here what they think is a good salary, not to go on about left and right wing - that's boring.

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Post by nicko on Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:05 pm

handy,every time you open your gob you show how stupid you are,don't be a prat all your life, have a day off occasionally.
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Post by Andy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:12 pm

Might be boring Andy, but it is relevent.
Depends on the skills and qualifications needed, experience, seniority in firm.
Under the coilition,  the disparity between rich and poor, manual workers and management has hugely increased.
Unfortunately the tory mantra and philosophy of "if you don't like your job, get another" doesn't carry any water. Jobs are scarce, often hundreds applying for a single vacancy,  and most new jobs are zero hours contract, worthless to a main breadwinner who pays the bills.
So, to answer you, I guess for a family man, married, 2 kids and a £500 per month mortgage, whose wife works part time on minimum wage, he would need to earn , £30,000, taking home £2k per month is barely a living wage.


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Post by Andy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:14 pm

nicko wrote:handy,every time you open your gob you show how stupid you are,don't be a prat all your life, have a day off occasionally.
Still gobbing off far right, racist and nazi bile, Nicko?
Still obsessing about Scrat on the flop site ?
Fuck off back to your chums on flop and leave the intelligent debate to those on here.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:01 pm

The has between rich and poor grew more under labour than ever.....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/4799689/Gap-between-rich-and-poor-has-widened-under-Labour.html




But with regards to OP, teachers and tube drivers are well paid enough.


Tube drivers probably over paid.



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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:06 pm

Errrrm... won't the gap between rich and poor always get wider?

Inflation goes up in percentage points.

It would need huge government intervention to do something about that - sphinx has for a year or so advocated bringing down the top salaries moreso than raising working salaries which is a brilliant idea.

And no government will do it - right, left, top or bottom!

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:07 pm

One thing I did want to point out on this thread is there are millions of jobs out there being done by married men and women which are much less than £20,000 - they get on with them, struggle with the bills, raise children and don't quit because "they'd be better off on benefits" (which they most certainly would)!

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:20 pm

Handy Andy wrote:All depends.
Rwers will only call anything over £50k for themselves a decent wage, but are happy for everyone else a salary on minimum wage is perfectly acceptable.  That is because tories are greedy , self, self, I'm all right, Jack individuals.

Having read your slurring post,I take it you've just been chucked out the local?..Yes?

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:23 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Might be boring Andy, but it is relevent.
Depends on the skills and qualifications needed, experience, seniority in firm.
Under the coilition,  the disparity between rich and poor, manual workers and management has hugely increased.
Unfortunately the tory mantra and philosophy of "if you don't like your job, get another" doesn't carry any water. Jobs are scarce, often hundreds applying for a single vacancy,  and most new jobs are zero hours contract, worthless to a main breadwinner who pays the bills.
So, to answer you, I guess for a family man, married, 2 kids and a £500 per month mortgage, whose wife works part time on minimum wage, he would need to earn , £30,000, taking home £2k per month is barely a living wage.

I actually agree with you Andy but you failed to mention that the situation was exactly the same under Labours years of hell.

Or are you not old enough to remember that period of time?

I seem to recall that we were not living in financial utopia during Labours reign.

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Post by nicko on Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:51 pm

handy,iv'e asked before show were I have been racist,thats the trouble with you left wing bigots can't stand the truth can you? get a life you racist bastard.
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Post by Andy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:57 pm

I view flop, nicko, do you want me to cut/ paste your posts from there to here?
I shan't out of courtesy but it is simple to do, and I have a good selection of posts from which to choose .

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Post by nicko on Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:50 pm

handy,please post where I have made racist remarks
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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:59 pm

Nicko is not racist, he may get annoyed at some posters, but have never seen him claim racial superiority.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:23 pm

It's such a tough thing to say, though, because it depends on where you are. I was working a job back in the late '90s for around $30,000 a year, a friend in New York City said I'd be making closer to $70,000 per year if I did the same job in NYC -- but I'd need it because everything's more expensive there.

I'd say that it's better to describe a "decent wage" is one where you have at least a quarter to a third of your yearly income left after you've covered your basic needs, so that you have some money to have fun with and some money to save.

By the way, I also think the idea of a "maximum wage" would be terrific, or something that required that the top salary at a company could be no more than 50 times the lowest full-time salary, etc.

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Post by Irn Bru on Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:09 pm

It does depend on where you live.

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Post by Irn Bru on Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:16 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The has between rich and poor grew more under labour than ever.....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/4799689/Gap-between-rich-and-poor-has-widened-under-Labour.html




But with regards to OP, teachers and tube drivers are well paid enough.


Tube drivers probably over paid.



Behave yourself Tommy. It was rampant under Thacher and Labour managed to slow it down.

Here, read this...

Inequality before and after Thatcher: what really happened

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/inequality-and-after-thatcher-what-really-happened

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:49 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:29th April 2014

I've just read that Tube workers are on strike again - not sure if drivers are included and I think I heard teachers may be going on strike soon over pay and conditions.

Now, I believe teachers, when qualified are on around £40 - £50,000 as a teacher and £50,000+ as a headteacher, and train and tube drivers are on £35 - £50,000 - and of course in jobs like that you can get plenty of overtime if you so wish (same with the police and NHS).

My wife earns £12,000 working full time in a bank - as a cashier and has never been on strike over pay and conditions.

What is a good salary for a full time job (35 - 40 hours)?

Is you wife on minimum wage?

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:46 am

BigAndy9 wrote:Errrrm... won't the gap between rich and poor always get wider?

Inflation goes up in percentage points.

It would need huge government intervention to do something about that - sphinx has for a year or so advocated bringing down the top salaries moreso than raising working salaries which is a brilliant idea.

And no government will do it - right, left, top or bottom!

No, Periodically you have revolution or Revolts or the formation of strong Union Movements that close the gap a Bit. but they never last forever and once gone the gap starts getting wider again.

your right Gov't wont do it, the People do it

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Post by nicko on Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:41 am

thank you didge for proving I am not racist, this is why left wingers, [like handy] fuel right wing anger when they make untrue remarks about other posters. I await an apology.
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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:07 am

nicko wrote:thank you didge for proving I am not racist, this is why left wingers, [like handy] fuel right wing anger when they make untrue remarks about other posters. I await an apology.


With the greatest respect, didge has not proven you are not racist nicko.

Only you know whether you are, or are not racist.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:14 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:29th April 2014

I've just read that Tube workers are on strike again - not sure if drivers are included and I think I heard teachers may be going on strike soon over pay and conditions.

Now, I believe teachers, when qualified are on around £40 - £50,000 as a teacher and £50,000+ as a headteacher, and train and tube drivers are on £35 - £50,000 - and of course in jobs like that you can get plenty of overtime if you so wish (same with the police and NHS).

My wife earns £12,000 working full time in a bank - as a cashier and has never been on strike over pay and conditions.

What is a good salary for a full time job (35 - 40 hours)?

Is you wife on minimum wage?


No i believe she's slightly over.

Cashier's/customer service at banks get around £11 - £14,000 - most bank worker get low wages - you wouldn't believe it would you the way this lot go on about "bankers"?

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:27 am

BigAndy9 wrote:
nicko wrote:thank you didge for proving I am not racist, this is why left wingers, [like handy] fuel right wing anger when they make untrue remarks about other posters. I await an apology.


With the greatest respect, didge has not proven you are not racist nicko.

Only you know whether you are, or are not racist.



Actually he is not racist from the views I have read, thus I can make a view point on this Andy, with the greatest of respect of which others can do the same.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:28 am

Didge wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:


With the greatest respect, didge has not proven you are not racist nicko.

Only you know whether you are, or are not racist.



Actually he is not racist from the views I have read, thus I can make a view point on this Andy, with the greatest of respect of which others can do the same.


Yes, and?

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:28 am

BigAndy9 wrote:
Didge wrote:



Actually he is not racist from the views I have read, thus I can make a view point on this Andy, with the greatest of respect of which others can do the same.


Yes, and?



And to me Nicko is not racist, thus giving my view on the matter, hope that helps you understand.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:36 am

Didge wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:


Yes, and?



And to me Nicko is not racist, thus giving my view on the matter, hope that helps you understand.

didge - trying to argue with me over points where there is clearly no argument to be had is silly.


Keep calm and debate.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:43 am

BigAndy9 wrote:
Didge wrote:



And to me Nicko is not racist, thus giving my view on the matter, hope that helps you understand.

didge - trying to argue with me over points where there is clearly no argument to be had is silly.


Keep calm and debate.



Have not a clue what you are on about, I am giving my opinion on Nicko, suggest you get used to that, you can have yours, but to me, he is not and has never been racist.
Maybe you just like flogging dead horses all the time, but I am cool hand Luke buddy

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:44 am

You're making a fool of yourself didge.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:46 am

BigAndy9 wrote:You're making a fool of yourself didge.



In your humble opinion, that is your view and you are welcome to it, again my point stands.


Anything else or are you still upset from yesterday?

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:49 am

Didge wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:You're making a fool of yourself didge.



In your humble opinion, that is your view and you are welcome to it, again my point stands.


Anything else or are you still upset from yesterday?


Your opinion that nicko isn't racist stands.

My statement to nicko that that doesn't prove he's not a racist is fact.

That's all there is to this - you're making a fool of yourself trying to make this out to be anything more.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:54 am

BigAndy9 wrote:
Didge wrote:



In your humble opinion, that is your view and you are welcome to it, again my point stands.


Anything else or are you still upset from yesterday?


Your opinion that nicko isn't racist stands.

My statement to nicko that that doesn't prove he's not a racist is fact.

That's all there is to this - you're making a fool of yourself trying to make this out to be anything more.



That is your opinion, but you can gauge a view from a poster posting over a long time.
The point you miss though (where I will once again embarrass you)  is he is being judged on view points he has made posting, thus my views countering this are based upon the exact same thing, his posts.
So why have you not spoken in regards to those claiming he is racist by the same logic then Andy?


Oh, did I just make you look rather silly again Andy?

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:07 am

Didge wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:


Your opinion that nicko isn't racist stands.

My statement to nicko that that doesn't prove he's not a racist is fact.

That's all there is to this - you're making a fool of yourself trying to make this out to be anything more.



That is your opinion, but you can gauge a view from a poster posting over a long time.
The point you miss though (where I will once again embarrass you)  is he is being judged on view points he has made posting, thus my views countering this are based upon the exact same thing, his posts.
So why have you not spoken in regards to those claiming he is racist by the same logic then Andy?


Oh, did I just make you look rather silly again Andy?


I've said for quite a while now, as you know, when i am accused. I thought what a refreshing change it would be for me to point out that it goes both ways - nobody knows what another person thinks - the government don't know, the police don't know, and neither does anybody on here.

You know i've said that for 4 years, and you know i'm right.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:11 am

BigAndy9 wrote:
Didge wrote:



That is your opinion, but you can gauge a view from a poster posting over a long time.
The point you miss though (where I will once again embarrass you)  is he is being judged on view points he has made posting, thus my views countering this are based upon the exact same thing, his posts.
So why have you not spoken in regards to those claiming he is racist by the same logic then Andy?


Oh, did I just make you look rather silly again Andy?


I've said for quite a while now, as you know, when i am accused.  I thought what a refreshing change it would be for me to point out that it goes both ways - nobody knows what another person thinks - the government don't know, the police don't know, and neither does anybody on here.

You know i've said that for 4 years, and you know i'm right.



All irrelevant, you did not point this out to those accusing did you Andy, hence your fuck up here, because this is what you said:


"With the greatest respect, didge has not proven you are not racist nicko."

Now if you were being fair and logical you would have stated this:

"With the greatest respect, didge has not proven you are not racist nicko, but then Handy Andy can not prove you are racist either".

Thus you exposed yourself here to a very hypocritical view point by omitting this part did you not?



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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:16 am

Anyway I have worked to do Andy and it is boring to get involved in these tit for tat aimlessly mundane boring bouts of which you did show hypocrisy and now try poorly to get out of.
To me by his posts Nicko does not post racist view points, of which claims were made off his posts, thus my points are based on what has been posted.

Have good day, I have work to do

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:53 am

BigAndy9 wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Is you wife on minimum wage?


No i believe she's slightly over.

Cashier's/customer service at banks get around £11 - £14,000 - most bank worker get low wages - you wouldn't believe it would you the way this lot go on about "bankers"?

I just wondered because for a 37 hour week someone on minimum wage would get just above £12,000, assuming they're over 21.

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Post by Andy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:46 am

If needed, I can copy and paste some of Nickos more 'intolerant' posts from flop.
I won't bother, because it is irrelevant to the debate. Big Andy posed a good question, to which I replied, and the reasonable and polite debate started.
Nicko jumped in , as he usually does on flop, to insult the poster, not debate or reply to the post.
I will return insults with interest.
Ask Scrat, who is invariably his target.
I sympathise with BA's wife for her low wage, HtmbE isis a similar situation, on low wages at a school.
Capping public sector wages to say £100,000 pa would be a start. in my experience that is enough for anyone to live happily on. If they think they are worth more, then they are free to join the private sector to live their dream.
At the same, the minimum wage should be abandoned, and replaced with the living wage.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:56 pm

Handy Andy wrote:If needed, I can copy and paste some of Nickos more 'intolerant' posts from flop.
I won't bother, because it is irrelevant to the debate. Big Andy posed a good question, to which I replied, and the reasonable and polite debate started.
Nicko jumped in , as he usually does on flop, to insult the poster, not debate or reply to  the post.
I will return insults with interest.
Ask Scrat, who is invariably his target.
I sympathise with BA's wife for her low wage, HtmbE isis a similar situation, on low wages at a school.
Capping public sector wages to say £100,000 pa would be a start. in my experience that is enough for anyone to live happily on. If they think they are worth more, then they are free to join the private sector to live their dream.
At the same,  the minimum wage should be abandoned,  and replaced with the living wage.


He may well not be impartial when having a go at a poster Handy that does not make him racist in any shape or form and you forget I am also on Flap and have been for a very long time.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:00 pm

Handy Andy wrote:If needed, I can copy and paste some of Nickos more 'intolerant' posts from flop.
I won't bother, because it is irrelevant to the debate. Big Andy posed a good question, to which I replied, and the reasonable and polite debate started.
Nicko jumped in , as he usually does on flop, to insult the poster, not debate or reply to  the post.
I will return insults with interest.
Ask Scrat, who is invariably his target.
I sympathise with BA's wife for her low wage, HtmbE isis a similar situation, on low wages at a school.
Capping public sector wages to say £100,000 pa would be a start. in my experience that is enough for anyone to live happily on. If they think they are worth more, then they are free to join the private sector to live their dream.
At the same,  the minimum wage should be abandoned,  and replaced with the living wage.

Talking of certain other channels..

American ones are very good and they know how to pack the meat in.

I do partake of uk ones when I am home and make them pile the jalapeno's high, it really does not matter what meat is in there as they are full of jalapenos and chipotle sauce, I rarely choose the bacon option because the bacon is crap

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