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Post by groomsy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:01 am

High above the Arctic Circle, along an Alaskan river, palaeontologists have unearthed fossils of the first known tyrannosaur species at either pole.

The new animal comes from so far north that it is named Nanuqsaurus hoglundi, after the Inupiat word for polar bear (nanuq). Its existence near the top of the world shows that relatives of Tyrannosaurus rex survived and even thrived in extreme polar environments, some 70 million years ago.

Perhaps more significantly, Nanuqsaurus may be the first uncontested example of a pint-sized tyrannosaur. In life, the Alaskan dinosaur measured some 7 metres long — small when compared to T. rex, which stretched 12 metres from nose to tail.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:16 am

Couple things:

* Roughly 20 feet long is still pretty damn big.

* Are we sure it lived in as "extreme environment" as the Arctic circle is today? I was given to understand that climate change made for a rather warmer climate at both poles than today.

* If it was cold, I bet this was one of the feathered dinosaurs that led to modern birds. Probably a lot of people have seen the most recent scientifically accurate artist depiction of a T-rex, but just in case:

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:39 am

the bone structure and lungs are so different on a bird the evolution idea for birds is ridiculous...

a thing that size and weight would need huge wings..

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:16 am

and how would hollow bones evolve, it would make them smaller and more susceptible to predators, while they develope wings, how would they survive, that would make them prey to everything, natural selection would kill them off.

notice you are not bright enough to argue against the lung difference.... Smile 

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:21 am

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:and how would hollow bones evolve, it would make them smaller and more susceptible to predators, while they develope wings, how would they survive, that would make them prey to everything, natural selection would kill them off.

notice you are not bright enough to argue against the lung difference.... Smile 

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:57 am

still no argument, why am I not surprised... Smile 

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:31 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:still no argument, why am I not surprised... Smile 

Why would anybody go to the time and effort of debating you or presenting evidence to you when we know you'll just reply with another abysmally retarded misunderstanding of basic scientific principles? You're not worth it.

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:36 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:still no argument, why am I not surprised... Smile 

Why would anybody go to the time and effort of debating you or presenting evidence to you when we know you'll just reply with another abysmally retarded misunderstanding of basic scientific principles? You're not worth it.

lol...if my understanding is so poor you should be able to run circles round me... Smile 

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:37 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
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Godisgoodallthetime wrote:still no argument, why am I not surprised... Smile 

Why would anybody go to the time and effort of debating you or presenting evidence to you when we know you'll just reply with another abysmally retarded misunderstanding of basic scientific principles? You're not worth it.

lol...if my understanding is so poor you should be able to run circles round me... Smile 

Your understanding is so poor, you lack the basic knowledge to understand that people have been running circles around you on this topic since you first joined up.

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:39 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

lol...if my understanding is so poor you should be able to run circles round me... Smile 

Your understanding is so poor, you lack the basic knowledge to understand that people have been running circles around you on this topic since you first joined up.

really i have seen nothing more than lame insults.... Smile 

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:41 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

lol...if my understanding is so poor you should be able to run circles round me... Smile 

Your understanding is so poor, you lack the basic knowledge to understand that people have been running circles around you on this topic since you first joined up.

really i have seen nothing more than lame insults.... Smile 

I tried to steer you toward resources when you first joined up as HF that that would give you a solid understanding of the mechanics of evolution; as I recall I posted links to around a half-dozen articles and videos. Your continued responses concerning evolution and related topics demonstrated that you have no idea what the theory actually is.

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:44 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

really i have seen nothing more than lame insults.... Smile 

I tried to steer you toward resources when you first joined up as HF that that would give you a solid understanding of the mechanics of evolution; as I recall I posted links to around a half-dozen articles and videos. Your continued responses concerning evolution and related topics demonstrated that you have no idea what the theory actually is.

you steered me towards the same babble you blindly follow...i'm not interested in your religion, i'm interested in the truth..

what benefit would developing hollow bones have??

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:54 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

really i have seen nothing more than lame insults.... Smile 

I tried to steer you toward resources when you first joined up as HF that that would give you a solid understanding of the mechanics of evolution; as I recall I posted links to around a half-dozen articles and videos. Your continued responses concerning evolution and related topics demonstrated that you have no idea what the theory actually is.

you steered me towards the same babble you blindly follow...i'm not interested in your religion, i'm interested in the truth..

what benefit would developing hollow bones have??

Seriously, you can't think of one advantage of having hollow bones that are structurally as strong as solid bones? Gee skippy, just off the top of my head I'd say that anything that had to chase its prey would be lighter with bones like that. Anything that had to, you know, burn energy to move would be able to survive with less food if it were lighter. Holy crap.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:55 pm

Oh, and my links were to the truth as we can best understand it with our senses and our brains. Sorry if it wasn't written by ancient desert nomads ...

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:58 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

you steered me towards the same babble you blindly follow...i'm not interested in your religion, i'm interested in the truth..

what benefit would developing hollow bones have??

Seriously, you can't think of one advantage of having hollow bones that are structurally as strong as solid bones? Gee skippy, just off the top of my head I'd say that anything that had to chase its prey would be lighter with bones like that. Anything that had to, you know, burn energy to move would be able to survive with less food if it were lighter. Holy crap.

chase it's prey on the ground, with birds lungs.??

what makes you think birds bones are as strong as normal bones??

why would hollow bones develope just specific to birds if they are that useful?

how big would wings have to be?

how did it know it would get wings or did they come before the bones??


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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:02 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

you steered me towards the same babble you blindly follow...i'm not interested in your religion, i'm interested in the truth..

what benefit would developing hollow bones have??

Seriously, you can't think of one advantage of having hollow bones that are structurally as strong as solid bones? Gee skippy, just off the top of my head I'd say that anything that had to chase its prey would be lighter with bones like that. Anything that had to, you know, burn energy to move would be able to survive with less food if it were lighter. Holy crap.

chase it's prey on the ground, with birds lungs.??

what makes you think birds bones are as strong as normal bones??

why would hollow bones develope just specific to birds if they are that useful?

how big would wings have to be?

how did it know it would get wings or did they come before the bones??


Go back and look at the links I originally gave you or Google these questions on your own -- stop trying to waste my time.

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:05 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

chase it's prey on the ground, with birds lungs.??

what makes you think birds bones are as strong as normal bones??

why would hollow bones develope just specific to birds if they are that useful?

how big would wings have to be?

how did it know it would get wings or did they come before the bones??


Go back and look at the links I originally gave you or Google these questions on your own -- stop trying to waste my time.


ha ha ha another champion of evolution who falls at the first hurdle...

 lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! 

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Post by groomsy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:54 pm

godisgoodallthetime get help, look im christian and evolution isnt hard to follow

but it is funny it hasnt let everyones brains evolve yet
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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:56 pm

groomsy wrote:godisgoodallthetime get help, look im christian and evolution isnt hard to follow

but it is funny it hasnt let everyones brains evolve yet

yours included.... Smile 

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Post by groomsy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:06 pm

most people that believe every single word of a man made book
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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:08 pm

groomsy wrote:most people that believe every single word of a man made book

I thought you said you were a Christian that soon changed... lol! 

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:32 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:the bone structure and lungs are so different on a bird the evolution idea for birds is ridiculous...

SDtupid liitle man, showing your ignorance AGAIN...the lungs and bone structure on a lizard and a bird are VERY similar, and BOTH show the same relationship to raptor type dinosaurs......I suggest before you spout your uneducated and mindless rubbish you get an education....pathetic.

a thing that size and weight would need huge wings..

More stupidity...who said THAT could fly....can an ostrich fly?? (hint for the moronic...feathers came first....BEFORE flight...)

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Post by stardesk on Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:37 pm

Hi folks. GIGATT and Dibley, like most Creationists, are so entrenched in their religion and brain washed, it is impossible for them to think outside that box. But, should they pluck up the courage type in your search box 'Archaeopteryx.' An animal fossil in the process of evolving into a bird, for it has the rudiments of feathers. The Flying Squirrel, which has a large membrane between it's legs and body, which allows it to glide from tree to tree, can also be classed as an animal in the process of change.

There are many incidents of mammal and other species in that evolving process. I've said before the Baleen whale has within its flippers the remains of legs and feet, another fine example of evolvement. Humans also went through several periods of change, and before you say it, GIGATT, not from monkeys.

Right, that's it for now. I await the usual denials and counter claims.

oops, just remembered something, both the Arctics, north and south, were in warmer climates.
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Post by groomsy on Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:54 am

just because i dont believe every word of a man made book means nothing, i think its funny when people act like they know what i believe in.

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Post by groomsy on Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:22 am

I BE A BULLY!
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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:42 am

stardesk wrote:Hi folks. GIGATT and Dibley, like most Creationists, are so entrenched in their religion and brain washed, it is impossible for them to think outside that box. But, should they pluck up the courage type in your search box 'Archaeopteryx.' An animal fossil in the process of evolving into a bird, for it has the rudiments of feathers. The Flying Squirrel, which has a large membrane between it's legs and body, which allows it to glide from tree to tree, can also be classed as an animal in the process of change.

There are many incidents of mammal and other species in that evolving process. I've said before the Baleen whale has within its flippers the remains of legs and feet, another fine example of evolvement. Humans also went through several periods of change, and before you say it, GIGATT, not from monkeys.

Right, that's it for now. I await the usual denials and counter claims.

oops, just remembered something, both the Arctics, north and south, were in warmer climates.

I wish the knowledge you were sharing here had some impact, but there is nobody so stupid as those who are willfully so. These people have no inkling of the tenets of evolutionary theory, and in fact are trying to confuse others as to what they are. When they post things like scientific papers on the ability of DNA to repair itself and think they're somehow pointing out an inconsistency in evolutionary theory -- or when they demonstrate their ignorance as to what "theory" itself means in science -- that really says it all. They not only do not understand; they do not want to understand and will do everything in their power to prevent themselves from understanding.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:17 am

victorismyhero wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:the bone structure and lungs are so different on a bird the evolution idea for birds is ridiculous...

SDtupid liitle man, showing your ignorance AGAIN...the lungs and bone structure on a lizard and a bird are VERY similar, and BOTH show the same relationship to raptor type dinosaurs......I suggest before you spout your uneducated and mindless rubbish you get an education....pathetic.

a thing that size and weight would need huge wings..

More stupidity...who said THAT could fly....can an ostrich fly??   (hint for the moronic...feathers came first....BEFORE flight...)

if you look in to the types of lungs you will find not all the types have the same similarities, so why would some develope one way and some the other, this makes your evolution either sentient or very selective... Smile 


check out the unique hip structure of birds, why did they evolve that way... Smile 

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:19 am

stardesk wrote:Hi folks. GIGATT and Dibley, like most Creationists, are so entrenched in their religion and brain washed, it is impossible for them to think outside that box. But, should they pluck up the courage type in your search box 'Archaeopteryx.' An animal fossil in the process of evolving into a bird, for it has the rudiments of feathers. The Flying Squirrel, which has a large membrane between it's legs and body, which allows it to glide from tree to tree, can also be classed as an animal in the process of change.

There are many incidents of mammal and other species in that evolving process. I've said before the Baleen whale has within its flippers the remains of legs and feet, another fine example of evolvement. Humans also went through several periods of change, and before you say it, GIGATT, not from monkeys.

Right, that's it for now. I await the usual denials and counter claims.

oops, just remembered something, both the Arctics, north and south, were in warmer climates.


oops as usual species within a species, no change outside of a species.. Smile 

did we decide what colour eyes our ancestral apes had?? Smile 

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:42 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:

if you look in to the types of lungs you will find not all the types have the same similarities, so why would some develope one way and some the other, this makes your evolution either sentient or very selective... Smile 


check out the unique hip structure of birds, why did they evolve that way... Smile 

Idiot again GiG....the hip structure of birds is similar to lizard and has even closer similarity to the hip structure of the raptor like dinosaurs. It is NOT unique DOH!

BTW...for your education...bird lung design is MORE efficient than mammalian, It has to be to supply the huge amount of oxygen required for avian metabolism.

Lizards likewise, but THEY tend to use the high efficiency to be able to hold their breath for long periods...very useful in water AND underground.....

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:50 pm

victorismyhero wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:


if you look in to the types of lungs you will find not all the types have the same similarities, so why would some develope one way and some the other, this makes your evolution either sentient or very selective... Smile 


check out the unique hip structure of birds, why did they evolve that way... Smile 

Idiot again GiG....the hip structure of birds is similar to lizard and has even closer similarity to the hip structure of the raptor like dinosaurs. It is NOT unique DOH!

BTW...for your education...bird lung design is MORE efficient than mammalian, It has to be to supply the huge amount of oxygen required for avian metabolism.

Lizards likewise, but THEY tend to use the high efficiency to be able to hold their breath for long periods...very useful in water AND underground.....


lol but not very useful when on the ground, it would make you very easy prey, according to natural selection you wouldn't last long, did the bones develop after the wings or before or at the same time, what mutation caused it all, how did one know the other would be helpful.....

the house of cards again tumbles... Smile 

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Post by stardesk on Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:24 pm

Ben, quoting you: 'I wish the knowledge you were sharing here had some impact, but there is nobody so stupid as those who are willfully so. These people have no inkling of the tenets of evolutionary theory, and in fact are trying to confuse others as to what they are. When they post things like scientific papers on the ability of DNA to repair itself and think they're somehow pointing out an inconsistency in evolutionary theory -- or when they demonstrate their ignorance as to what "theory" itself means in science -- that really says it all. They not only do not understand; they do not want to understand and will do everything in their power to prevent themselves from understanding.'
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They remind me of two pupils. The first pupil is taught verbally, the second pupil reads and studies. The first pupil will forget half of what was said, whilst the second pupil will have taken in and remembers what he's read. That's why I keep giving Gigatt and Co. the links so they can read and learn. But no, that's like too much hard work, and despite mountains of answers to their questions by several of us, they still keep repeating the same worn out questions. Do they not know anything? Don't they know there was more than one ice age? That there was more than one extinction? That the continents were all joined together as one landmass? Don't they know and understand that the modern interpretation of 'theory' is different to days gone by? Don't they know the Moon was once part of the Earth? Don't they know the planet's rotation, (day) after it settled down was approximately six hours? I could go on and on but what's the point? They belong to one of those nutty American sects, called The Joseph Prince Ministries. Gawd 'elp 'em'

I would hate to be so ignorant. I don't know about a 'giant step for mankind,' I think it's a giant step backwards for mankind if people like them ruled the world.
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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:53 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:and how would hollow bones evolve, it would make them smaller and more susceptible to predators, while they develope wings, how would they survive, that would make them prey to everything, natural selection would kill them off.

notice you are not bright enough to argue against the lung difference.... Smile 

UMM no You are a grade A moron
how do you propose we know about Dinosaur lung structure? IT is soft tissue it does not fossilise.

You always ask about the middle animal WELL we are pretty sure it is this fella from China

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:58 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:

Idiot again GiG....the hip structure of birds is similar to lizard and has even closer similarity to the hip structure of the raptor like dinosaurs. It is NOT unique DOH!

BTW...for your education...bird lung design is MORE efficient than mammalian, It has to be to supply the huge amount of oxygen required for avian metabolism.

Lizards likewise, but THEY tend to use the high efficiency to be able to hold their breath for long periods...very useful in water AND underground.....


lol but not very useful when on the ground, it would make you very easy prey, according to natural selection you wouldn't last long, did the bones develop after the wings or before or at the same time, what mutation caused it all, how did one know the other would be helpful.....

the house of cards again tumbles... Smile 

WRONG...and you cant back that simplistic nonsense up....
the bird "hip
" works fine on the ground for running...ask any ostrich as do the lungs...You see you are spouting unsubstantiated nonsense with no way of backing it....
how would the avian hip make for easy prey...the Raptor dinosaurs where the predator...not prey....
How would the avian lung make for easy prey.....ostriches are a fearsome creature...

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:58 pm

@GIG
and have you ever heard of FORESTS
you know where the smaller animals escape the large one that can fit between the trees and cant climb as high to the ends of the branches

IE the exact circumstance that turns a
Stocky Brush tail possum
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into a cute light sugar glider possum
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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:15 pm

Not to mention the simple fact that every species is evolving, always has been and always will be; evolution is commonly accepted as one of the prerequisites for being a "living thing." Although some traits do appear to have developed "faster" than others, that's usually saying that they appeared within several hundred thousand years rather than several million years.

Again I have to bring up the Lenski evolution experiment in which Richard Lenski raised generation after generation of E. coli bacteria which were put into environments that included things they could use as food and things E. coli had never been able to metabolize; one strain emerged that could -- unlike any other strain of E. coli that has ever been observed -- thrive on a diet of citric acid. It would be analogous to a generation of human beings who could convert chalk dust into calories.

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