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Post by Eilzel on Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:43 am

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https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

I find it interesting to come back to this every year or so, see if things have changed.

In my case not much, though I think I've veered a little more to the Left Laughing

Take the test if you like, let's see how we all compare Smile

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Post by Maddog on Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:44 am

Is it ever fair to assign a label to a politican in terms of left, right, authoritarian or libertarian?

Is it fair to assign those labels to their policies?

I guess some folks would say no. This Dopey Dawg disagrees.

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Post by Eilzel on Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:50 am

A lot of the questions can be answered based on actual statements made by public figures, or policies introduced by them.

If a politician voted against gay marriage or censoring internet pornography for instance, you can pretty easily work out their answer to related questions.

I dispute that chart for countries though. No chance are all those countries authoritarian Right. I feel whoever answered on their behalf was being somewhat dishonest lol

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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:38 am

eddie wrote:Here’s mine!


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You're possibly the closest to Lez on here, so far...

And probably 2 or 3 steps to the left of me (same as previously..).

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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:43 am

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

No, The folks that designed this test, took their political positions and charted them. They have what you call a "body of work" to analyse.

Right. Guesswork then. Someone else’s opinion, not the opinion of the person taking the test.

So nothing to see.

Would you like someone to “plot” you in a chart based on what they thought?  

It’s just a nothing. Come on. You’re scraping the barrel. Rolling Eyes
What a Face

Analysis on readily availabe evidence isn't "guesswork"...

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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:47 am

Eilzel wrote:
'Wolfie wrote:Smile

It's only a few months since I las tried it...

I'm still in that bottom left quadrant too, maybe three squares to the right of you..

Can't imagine anyone being to the Left of that tbf Laughing

I was pretty sure I'd moved a little to the Right tbh, but guess not!

^Maddog, would love to see the answers that swung it that far Smile
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I consider my politics to be more 'light green',  rather than the "pinko" that some Ag' college acquaintances, and some RW'ers on here, would label me as..

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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:54 am

phildidge wrote:
gelico wrote:Political Compass - Page 2 Chart10

lol we are fairly close politically then Gelico based on this.... Political Compass - Page 2 919144451
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You're a couple of steps more 'authoritarian' then me, Dodge, and gelico is more authoritarian than anyone else on here, besides Victor...

You will have to ask gelico to get out her whip and chains when you go around to visit..

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Post by Maddog on Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:35 am

Eilzel wrote:A lot of the questions can be answered based on actual statements made by public figures, or policies introduced by them.

If a politician voted against gay marriage or censoring internet pornography for instance, you can pretty easily work out their answer to related questions.

I dispute that chart for countries though. No chance are all those countries authoritarian Right. I feel whoever answered on their behalf was being somewhat dishonest lol

I think most governments tend to govern that way. It's why almost all political leaders end up in that quadrant, or authoritarian left.

It's the philosophers, writers and such that end up south of the horizontal line. Ghandi being the exception, and lets face it, he wasn't a conventional politician.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:23 pm

ah..but did I end up where you thought i would be?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:50 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
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I already told you to do it. Where do you think I belong?

Well, I already had a pretty good guess as to where you'd end up on that graph. And I was right.

But is it fair? Was I being fair to you by guessing, educated as my guess might have been, as to what your core values and beliefs really are?

Of course not, and you know it.

I lumped you into my brain's "Ron Paul Guy" category when I guessed that you'd be in that bottom-right square. And you know what that is? Prejudice.

So no. Using guesswork to plot someone on a political compass isn't fair, and it shouldn't be considered any better than guesswork, either. And you know that.

How did you know where Ron Paul would be?



Guesswork, which is my entire point.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:01 pm

Eilzel wrote:A lot of the questions can be answered based on actual statements made by public figures, or policies introduced by them.

If a politician voted against gay marriage or censoring internet pornography for instance, you can pretty easily work out their answer to related questions.

I dispute that chart for countries though. No chance are all those countries authoritarian Right. I feel whoever answered on their behalf was being somewhat dishonest lol


I've seen accusations that the person or people who designed this test rigged it to make most people some shade of libertarian anyway, to promote the libertarian cause. It also doesn't seem to take into account that some policies are considered mainstream in some countries and radical in others.

The best example is universal health care, which can comfortably be supported by right-wing politicians throughout Europe but is considered a radical-left proposition in the U.S.

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Post by Thorin on Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:03 pm

Maddog wrote:I think a lot of folks score more libertarian than authoritarian in principle, but in practice, they will accept more authoritarian ideas when things get rough, under the pretense of helping people.

Phil touches on the lack of economic questions with a heavier weight going towards social issues. "Social" libertarians are different than economic libertarians. Take the NHS. I doubt anyone on here besides me would want to get rid of it, but it's an authoritarian not a libertarian concept, as participation is forced upon people.    

Which means if you agree its not really a true political compass. Your own pitcographs holw no real political reality either buddy?

Like i say, the questions were based more ethically litterally on every question and had litlle relevance on political stand points

I have to say Eilzel picked the ethical political compass, not the true political compass

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Post by Maddog on Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:28 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
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How did you know where Ron Paul would be?



Guesswork, which is my entire point.


Do you think you could "guess" how Trump would answer a question on tarrifs or immigration?

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Post by Maddog on Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:30 pm

phildidge wrote:
Maddog wrote:I think a lot of folks score more libertarian than authoritarian in principle, but in practice, they will accept more authoritarian ideas when things get rough, under the pretense of helping people.

Phil touches on the lack of economic questions with a heavier weight going towards social issues. "Social" libertarians are different than economic libertarians. Take the NHS. I doubt anyone on here besides me would want to get rid of it, but it's an authoritarian not a libertarian concept, as participation is forced upon people.    

Which means if you agree its not really a true political compass. Your own pitcographs holw no real political reality either buddy?

Like i say, the questions were based more ethically litterally on every question and had litlle relevance on political stand points

I have to say Eilzel picked the ethical political compass, not the true political compass


It's subjective to a degree. But it placed me in the same area as people I respect and admire.

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Post by Thorin on Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:05 pm

Maddog wrote:
phildidge wrote:

Which means if you agree its not really a true political compass. Your own pitcographs holw no real political reality either buddy?

Like i say, the questions were based more ethically litterally on every question and had litlle relevance on political stand points

I have to say Eilzel picked the ethical political compass, not the true political compass


It's subjective to a degree. But it placed me in the same area as people I respect and admire.

It is subjective which people will poorly see you and be misguided by your views

Failing to see how your Libertarian views, fail to see you would more than most here. Stop and look after someone in your home town. People would call for you to help the world, but what matters more is more close to home. I get that. That does not make you a bad person. In fact it makes you a better person. As its not based on media ethnicity. As if you were born elsewhere, you would still help your neighbour and that is what people fail to understand about you. Your view to help people is not actually based on geography but those cfloset and near to you

You have more ethical valuse than any Democrat poster on here.

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Post by Thorin on Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:13 pm

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Maddog wrote:


It's subjective to a degree. But it placed me in the same area as people I respect and admire.

It is subjective which people will poorly see you and be misguided by your views

Failing to see how your Libertarian views, fail to see you would more than most here. Stop and look after someone in your home town. People would call for you to help the world, but what matters more is more close to home. I get that. That does not make you a bad person. In fact it makes you a better person. As its not based on media ethnicity. As if you were born elsewhere, you would still help your neighbour and that is what people fail to understand about you. Your view to help people is not actually based on geography but those cfloset and near to you

You have more ethical valuse than any Democrat poster on here.

I think the point I am trying to make here

Is that some on here constantly make a moral argument on right and wrong and fail when its applied to their globally reasoning

If mpore did as you did locally to help others. There would never be a global need to help people in the first place

People fail to see your stance is what does actually help

Yes some people give money but you are on the ground actually helping

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Post by Eilzel on Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:08 am

phildidge wrote:
Maddog wrote:I think a lot of folks score more libertarian than authoritarian in principle, but in practice, they will accept more authoritarian ideas when things get rough, under the pretense of helping people.

Phil touches on the lack of economic questions with a heavier weight going towards social issues. "Social" libertarians are different than economic libertarians. Take the NHS. I doubt anyone on here besides me would want to get rid of it, but it's an authoritarian not a libertarian concept, as participation is forced upon people.    

Which means if you agree its not really a true political compass. Your own pitcographs holw no real political reality either buddy?

Like i say, the questions were based more ethically litterally on every question and had litlle relevance on political stand points

I have to say Eilzel picked the ethical political compass, not the true political compass

Is there another test? Be happy to try it.

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Post by Thorin on Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:32 am

Eilzel wrote:
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Which means if you agree its not really a true political compass. Your own pitcographs holw no real political reality either buddy?

Like i say, the questions were based more ethically litterally on every question and had litlle relevance on political stand points

I have to say Eilzel picked the ethical political compass, not the true political compass

Is there another test? Be happy to try it.

I have no idea, but the fact is this is not really a true political tes.

It is more an empathy/ethical test politically

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Post by Maddog on Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:35 pm

phildidge wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

Is there another test? Be happy to try it.

I have no idea, but the fact is this is not really a true political tes.

It is more an empathy/ethical test politically


I have taken the test in the past, with different questions. I dont know if the test was designed by another group, or that the questions get changed.

I do know that the 4 or 5 times I've taken it, it puts me in roughly the same spot. I have slipped slightly down more towards the libertarian end because I'm basically indifferent on abortion now and against the death penalty. These two positions have changed for me since I first took the test over 10 years ago.

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Post by Thorin on Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:40 pm

Maddog wrote:
phildidge wrote:

I have no idea, but the fact is this is not really a true political tes.

It is more an empathy/ethical test politically


I have taken the test in the past, with different questions.  I dont know if the test was designed by another group, or that the questions get changed.

I do know that the 4 or 5 times I've taken it, it puts me in roughly the same spot. I have slipped slightly down more towards the libertarian end because I'm basically indifferent on abortion now and against the death penalty. These two positions have changed for me since I first took the test over 10 years ago.  


So you never moved much based on again ethical views and not many economical views, right mate? Which your change was major issues with the death penalty and abortion. By now being againts and rightly so to me. That is a massive shift. That says to me the questions are rigged ethically. Hence I think we should take this political compass with a pinch of salt. Itrs clearly based on a bias.

Like i said, the compass is more based on social issues and not the bases for political economic view points
I would say its more an arbritary and subjective moral political compass

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