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Post by Andy on Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:20 pm

Goo old Nathan Rao, famed for ridiculous hyperbole and getting his extreme forecasts wildly wrong every time, has just started his winter season of weatherbombs, thundersnow and every other adjective you can think of.
Here is his latest supreme piece of idiot journalism..

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1191855/UK-weather-forecast-snow-storm-latest-Met-Office-October-2019-cold-autumn

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Post by 'Wolfie on Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:56 am

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- 10°C  in London this autumn  !?!

I'd like see that..

Let's hope that Tommy has his mum's basement well-insulated against this impending 'Mini Ice Age'.

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Post by eddie on Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:34 pm

Every single year the Daily Express churns our the same weather predictions: huge snowstorms in the winter and deadly heatwaves in the summer.

They never happen.

The Daily Express is a terrible, terrible storyteller.

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Post by Andy on Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:16 pm

https://twitter.com/danholley_/status/400519662774910976?s=09

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:48 pm

I quite like the Daily Express and am a huge admirer of its excellent Deputy Editor Michael Booker, who also edits the Sunday edition. But I am also the first to admit that its quirky (not to be too unkind!) meteorological reporting is probably its greatest editorial attribute.

What I'm trying to say, in as gentle a way as possible, that it is barking mad. Real howling at the moon stuff.
The prophecies rarely come true, but if you read them very, very carefully, you realise that they are a bit like Old Moore's Almanac or the prophecies of Michel de Nostradamus...with the application of a bit of fertile imagination you can see that there might be some substance in them.

The thing is, I just have a niggling feeling that I am falling for a very clever sales gimmick: I may well dismiss the latest doom-laden Daily Express weather revelation as a flight of journalistic fancy...but it's so doom-laden that I had better buy a copy of the paper just to be prepared, so to speak, in case the meteorological Apocalypse actually happens....

The following day I am on my knees thanking God, Allah, Yahweh, Buddha or whoever that I have been spared.

Ah,60p well spent.........
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Post by Andy on Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:14 pm

It's actually very funny to see how many brand new adjectives for extreme weather Rao can concoct..
For the record, his has no meteorological qualifications, unlike myself, who acquired an HND in met, whilst taking my degree in Marine Science.

We are now going experience an Arctic Wall. Whatever that is.
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Post by nicko on Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:18 pm

Pity you didn't take a Degree in Political sense ! Laughing
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Post by Andy on Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:35 pm

My regret is that I didn't specialise in Meteorology, absolutely fascinating subject. Would have loved a career in the Met Office.
I got bogged down with ship construction , morse code, terrestrial and celestial navigation, plane sailing, tectonic plates and their impact on waves , tides and ocean currents.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:05 pm



If you look at the data from the Vostok ice core study... you will clearly see a pattern that strongly suggests that we are due to be entering into another ice age that each usually last for tens of thousands of years...!


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Post by Andy on Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:32 pm

Tommy advertising for a job with the Express weather team. The qualification, being an idiot climate change denyer and giving wildly innacurate opinions.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:58 pm



Climate change is always happening... and can be colder as well as warmer...!


Andy is denying historical scientific evidence of regular cold periods lasting around 75000 years in between warm periods of around 10000 years...


Now... evidence shows that we have had a relatively warm period of 10000 years... that has happened after a long 75000 year period of cold glacial temps...


And that there was a relatively warm period of 10000 years before this...


Which happened after another long 75000 year period of cold...


So... evidence strongly suggests that we are due for the start of another long 75000 year period of much colder temps...!!!






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Post by Victorismyhero on Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:06 pm

In this instance andy you could be very wrong, those cycles in the vostok ice cores are established fact, and, indeed it is true that we are due another . What is less certain is whether or not the present levels of CO2 in the atmosphere is sufficient to off set the onset of the next cycle, and for how long.
Given the lack of knowlege overall (admitted by the scientists) and the accepted limitations of the modeling,(given that a mathematical mjdel is dependant SOLEY on the data which it is fed, even the most ardent climate scientist will tell you their predictions are only a best guess.....based on the availabke evidence, they do not know, and neither does anyone else, whether or not there are other as yet unknown influences that they havnt accounted for in their calculations.
That is not to say that we should not take their findings seriously, for two reasons
1 if they are accurate and there are no other factors at play then we are in deep doo doo
2 in any case its about time we cleaned up the shit heap we have made over many years

However, there is no future in denying that these cycles clearly happen or that the next one is about due (even if the actual timescale is in doubt)



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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:00 am

Nothing to do with CO2... as seen in the graph... the CO2 level changes are AFTER the temp changes... not the cause of any temp changes!!!


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Post by 'Wolfie on Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:46 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Nothing to do with CO2... as seen in the graph... the CO2 level changes are AFTER the temp changes... not the cause of any temp changes!!!
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Post by 'Wolfie on Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:55 am

Victorismyhero wrote:In this instance andy you could be very wrong, those cycles in the vostok ice cores are established fact, and, indeed it is true that we are due another . What is less certain is whether or not the present levels of CO2 in the atmosphere is sufficient to off set the onset of the next cycle, and for how long.
Given the lack of knowlege overall (admitted by the scientists) and the accepted limitations of the modeling,(given that a mathematical mjdel is dependant SOLEY on the data which it is fed, even the most ardent climate scientist will tell you their predictions are only a best guess.....based on the availabke evidence, they do not know, and neither does anyone else, whether or not there are other as yet unknown influences that they havnt accounted for in their calculations.
That is not to say that we should not take their findings seriously, for two reasons
1 if they are accurate and there are no other factors at play then we are in deep doo doo
2 in any case its about time we cleaned up the shit heap we have made over many years

However, there is no future in denying that these cycles clearly happen or that the next one is about due (even if the actual timescale is in doubt)
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Also, remembering that those graphs are measured in tens of thousands of years... 

The next downturn into the next cooling trend for the next genuine ice age would still have been another 1500 -->> 2,000 years away..

A short time in 'geological' terms, but many generations when measured on a 'human' scale.

If the next genuine long term "ice age" is brought on within only the next few generations, then that would fit the ever-evolving models for change being accelerated by human activity --  and in the process would further undermine Tommy's idiotic famtasies..


Though in Tommy's anti-science and irrational fervour, no doubt to him that would somehow 'prove' his stupidid notions...

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Post by Victorismyhero on Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:09 am

'Wolfie wrote:
Victorismyhero wrote:In this instance andy you could be very wrong, those cycles in the vostok ice cores are established fact, and, indeed it is true that we are due another . What is less certain is whether or not the present levels of CO2 in the atmosphere is sufficient to off set the onset of the next cycle, and for how long.
Given the lack of knowlege overall (admitted by the scientists) and the accepted limitations of the modeling,(given that a mathematical mjdel is dependant SOLEY on the data which it is fed, even the most ardent climate scientist will tell you their predictions are only a best guess.....based on the availabke evidence, they do not know, and neither does anyone else, whether or not there are other as yet unknown influences that they havnt accounted for in their calculations.
That is not to say that we should not take their findings seriously, for two reasons
1 if they are accurate and there are no other factors at play then we are in deep doo doo
2 in any case its about time we cleaned up the shit heap we have made over many years

However, there is no future in denying that these cycles clearly happen or that the next one is about due (even if the actual timescale is in doubt)
Idea

Also, remembering that those graphs are measured in tens of thousands of years... 

The next downturn into the next cooling trend for the next genuine ice age would still have been another 1500 -->> 2,000 years away..

A short time in 'geological' terms, but many generations when measured on a 'human' scale.

If the next genuine long term "ice age" is brought on within only the next few generations, then that would fit the ever-evolving models for change being accelerated by human activity --  and in the process would further undermine Tommy's idiotic famtasies..


Though in Tommy's anti-science and irrational fervour, no doubt to him that would somehow 'prove' his stupidid notions...

I would dispute your assertion that its alleast 1500 years away, since, as you point out,that is a very short period in geological time, and therefor well within any margin of error..and of course,if I was cynical enough i would expect you to blame any approaching ice age on global warming. Though of course IF mean temperature is thecause of the change from one to the otherthen we will of course have brought forward the inevitable by some few years......Best get your winter wollies ready....

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:51 pm

'Wolfie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Nothing to do with CO2... as seen in the graph... the CO2 level changes are AFTER the temp changes... not the cause of any temp changes!!!
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Idiotic bullshit...


No... fact...!!!



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