Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Page 2 of 2 Previous  1, 2

Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Original Quill on Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:23 am

First topic message reminder :

Move over Amber Guyger, you are not alone in killing a person in-home.  A Ft. Worth, Texas police officer, called to a home by a neighbor suspicious over open doors/windows, shot into the home and killed the woman.

CBS Dallas Ft Worth wrote:Fort Worth Police Officer Shoots, Kills Woman Inside Her Own Home

Raegan Scharfetter | CBSDFW.com

FORT WORTH (CBSDFW.COM) — A Fort Worth police officer shot and killed a woman inside her own home early Saturday morning.

Just before 2:30 a.m. Oct. 12, police responded to a welfare call in the 1200 block of E. Allen Avenue, where the front door to a residence was reported open.

When officers arrived, they searched the perimeter of the house and saw a person standing inside the residence, near a window.



In a statement released Saturday afternoon, the Fort Worth Police Department said an officer perceived a threat then drew his weapon. He fired one shot, striking and killing 28-year-old Atatiana Jefferson.

Jefferson was pronounced dead at the scene.

The officer — a white male who has been with FWPD since April 2018 — has been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation. His name has not been released at this time.

Fort Worth Mayor Betsy Price has since released the following statement:

Writing a statement like this is tragic and something that should never be necessary. A young woman has lost her life, leaving her family in unbelievable grief. All of Fort Worth must surround Atatiana Jefferson’s family with prayers, love and support.

Chief Kraus and his command staff are acting with immediacy and transparency to conduct a complete and thorough investigation. More details are forthcoming and the Tarrant County District Attorney Law Enforcement Incident Team office will ultimately receive this case.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 30526
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

Back to top Go down


Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Maddog on Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:36 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I just would add, growing up in Texas where window screens and screen doors are common, it can be really hard to make out any details of a person standing behind one.

My mother has a screened-in porch that you can hardly see anything through, let alone whether someone was a certain ethnicity.

With the glare off of a flashlight, and the speed in which this idiot fired, I wonder if he had a clue what he was shooting at? I know watching the video I cant really see shit.

_________________
pa·ter·nal·ism

noun

The policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinates' supposed best interest.
Maddog
Maddog

Posts : 5848
Join date : 2017-09-23
Location : Texas

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Original Quill on Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:34 pm

eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

What facts do you need?  I gave you Hazelwood School Dist. v. United States.  Read the facts of that case, in the opinion of that case...fill in the blanks.  End of...

So...every single case is the same...?

No, it's not conclusive...and I'm not saying that.

Investigation--criminal or scientific--is about trying on hypotheses, and seeing which fits with what the known evidence is.  Same process as putting together a jig-saw puzzle.  You look at what you've got, and start looking for pieces that fit with the others.

One fact, that we don't like admitting, is that this is a southern state, known for it's past incidents of racial violence and Klan activities.  This is the state in which Sandra Bland, James Byrd, Jr. and yes, Botham Jean, lost their lives in highly suspicious circumstances.

Investigation is always corrigible (capable of being corrected, rectified, or reformed).  Each case is different.  While you are looking, it would be stupid to overlook that which is staring you right in the face.

I think the Police Chief was smart to call for the FBI investigation.  In law, we call that 'drawing the sting'.  Embrace the fact, and take it on.  Once, I was arguing an indemnity case before the Arizona Court of Appeals in Tucson.  After oral argument, I happened to run into one of the judges on the panel, and we exchanged pleasantries.  Then he said, "Son, why wouldn't you keep the case yourself?  THEN YOU'RE IN CHARGE."  Likewise, if the Police Chief calls in the FBI, he's in the middle of it all, and can help steer their investigation. Then he's a friendly.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 30526
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Original Quill on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:21 am

eddie wrote:This is all I'm asking:

Was the gun in the room, with her, and why?
Was the gun in her hand when he shot her?
Why did he shoot so quickly? (maybe the above question is why he shot her so quickly)

In any case, it would appear he may have overreacted, but the full story needs to be heard before we assume anything  

I think you have to put things into perspective.  I believe the gun was on a table.  But what if she had reached and gotten it.  Is she not allowed the liberty of protecting herself, not to mention her young nephew, on hearing someone milling about right out the window at 3 am?

This is the importance of the police training, and announcing their presence immediately.  The police are trained, civilians are not.  Defining who's who is precisely what police are trained to do so that everyone knows they are the good guys.  It's precisely so that people don't get shot in the confusion.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 30526
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Maddog on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:41 am

A statement from the victims family. They get it.

“Yes he’s going to take his punishment but the system failed him. Whoever senior was with him, who was out with him failed him. Whoever sent him out failed him. The training failed him,” said Adarius Carr, Jefferson’s brother. “There’s a lot that has to get fixed. The city failed him. So, when training is inadequate you have to fix the training.”

_________________
pa·ter·nal·ism

noun

The policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinates' supposed best interest.
Maddog
Maddog

Posts : 5848
Join date : 2017-09-23
Location : Texas

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:55 am

Maddog wrote:A statement from the victims family. They get it.

“Yes he’s going to take his punishment but the system failed him. Whoever senior was with him, who was out with him failed him. Whoever sent him out failed him. The training failed him,” said Adarius Carr, Jefferson’s brother. “There’s a lot that has to get fixed. The city failed him. So, when training is inadequate you have to fix the training.”

And the price of that is a human life, and a promising human life to boot.

_________________
"Keep movin'."

- Anonymous
Ben Reilly
Ben Reilly
Cowboy King. Dread Pirate of the Guadalupe. God of Thunder.

Posts : 27730
Join date : 2013-01-19
Age : 44
Location : Tesco's

http://www.newsfixboard.com

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Original Quill on Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:01 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:A statement from the victims family. They get it.

“Yes he’s going to take his punishment but the system failed him. Whoever senior was with him, who was out with him failed him. Whoever sent him out failed him. The training failed him,” said Adarius Carr, Jefferson’s brother. “There’s a lot that has to get fixed. The city failed him. So, when training is inadequate you have to fix the training.”

And the price of that is a human life, and a promising human life to boot.

Umm...don't forget that racism may have played its part.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 30526
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Original Quill on Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:04 am

Associated Press wrote:Fort Worth chief: 'absolutely no excuse' for woman's killing

Associated Press•October 15, 2019

FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) — The furor Tuesday over the killing of a black woman by a white Fort Worth officer became increasingly about a gun pointed at a bedroom window. But the police chief and activists said the focus was on the wrong gun.

Officer Aaron The Devil You Know was arrested on a murder charge Monday in the slaying of Atatiana Jefferson. Police released an arrest warrant Tuesday quoting the victim's 8-year-old nephew as saying Jefferson had pulled out a gun after hearing suspicious noises behind her house.

Black politicians and others criticized the police and the media for bringing up Jefferson's weapon, angrily accusing the department of trying to deflect blame onto an innocent victim.

"The Fort Worth Police Department is going about the task of providing a defense for this officer," said Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Jefferson family.

Interim Police Chief Ed Kraus himself declared there was "absolutely no excuse" for the killing and said Jefferson behaved as any Texas homeowner would have on hearing a prowler. It wasn't clear from the warrant whether The Devil You Know even saw her weapon through the glass.

The killing early Saturday shocked people across the U.S. and led many black people to wonder once more whether they are no longer safe from police in their homes. Earlier this month, a white former Dallas officer was convicted of murder and sentenced to 10 years in prison for killing a black neighbor in his own apartment. She said she mistook his place for hers and thought he was an intruder.

The Devil You Know, 34, resigned and was arrested Monday for firing a single bullet through a windowpane while investigating a neighbor's report about the front door being left open at Jefferson's home. Jefferson was staying up late, playing video games with her nephew.

Police bodycam video showed The Devil You Know making his way around the side of the house into the backyard in the darkness and opening fire a split second after shouting at the 28-year-old Jefferson to show her hands. He did not identify himself as a police officer.

In the arrest warrant, Jefferson's nephew said his aunt had taken a gun from her purse and pointed it at the window. Over the weekend, the Police Department also stirred anger by releasing images of the gun inside the home.

State Rep. Harold Dutton, a black Democrat from Houston, blamed the media in part.

"Why would you publicize that Ms. Jefferson had a gun in her home?" he asked. "I'm sure the police told you that. But that was her Second Amendment right, and equally as important, it had nothing to do with the incident for which we are here about. Too often, you, the media, have been complicit in throwing dirt on the victim while ignoring the real culprit, current law enforcement."

State Rep. Nicole Collier, a black Democrat from Fort Worth, likewise complained about the tendency to focus on things that could exonerate police officers, "like showing marijuana or showing a handgun when people are rightfully in their own home."

After the deadly shooting last year in Dallas, police reported finding marijuana in the dead man's apartment in what was decried by some as an attempt to smear the victim.

In the Fort Worth case, the arrest warrant notes that the other officer at the scene told authorities she could see only Jefferson's face through the window when The Devil You Know fired. The Devil You Know's own bodycam video showed that the view through the glass was obstructed by the reflection from his flashlight.

Merritt questioned whether The Devil You Know saw a gun at all, noting that the window was covered by blinds, it was dark outside, and The Devil You Know never said "gun" before firing, as officers are trained to do.

"Why do people keep weapons in their homes? Well, maybe, when there's someone prowling around in the back at 2 a.m. in the morning, you may need to arm yourself," Merritt said. "It is only appropriate that Miss Jefferson would have a weapon in that situation."

The gun was "irrelevant," Mayor Betsy Price said Monday.

"Atatiana was in her own home, caring for her 8-year-old nephew. She was a victim," she said.

The Devil You Know resigned without talking to internal affairs investigators, and what he saw and why he opened fire remained unclear. His attorney did not immediately return messages for comment.

The police chief did not directly address the nephew's account of the gun at a news briefing Tuesday. Police spokesman Sgt. Chris Daniels said the information was included in court papers, so a judge would have a clear understanding of the facts of the case.

"Leaving out pertinent information could be seen as misleading; Judges DO NOT like that," Daniels said in an email.

The Devil You Know was held on $200,000 bond and released after posting bail less than four hours after his arrest. The police chief said he would have been fired if he hadn't quit first. Police also referred the case to the FBI for possible federal civil rights charges.

Apparently close to tears, Kraus pleaded with the city of nearly 900,000 not to allow the killing to reflect badly on the entire department.

"The officers are hurting," he said. "They try hard every day to try to make this city better." He added: "I likened it to a bunch of ants building an ant hill, and then somebody comes with a hose and washes it away. And they just have to start from scratch."

Merritt said Fort Worth needs to change its "brutal culture of policing," and Price, the mayor, has called for a top-to-bottom review of the department.

Dozens of people crowded Fort Worth's City Council chamber and hundreds more shouted outside to call for justice for Jefferson.

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports about 60 people signed up to speak to the council at its Tuesday night meeting. Once the chamber's capacity was reached, about 200 others who could not make it inside shouted bitter protests outside City Hall to Fort Worth police and political leaders.

Of the nine officer-involved shootings so far this year in Fort Worth, five targeted African Americans and six resulted in death, according to department data.

Nearly two-thirds of the department's 1,100 officers are white, just over 20% are Hispanic, and about 10% are black. The city is about 40% white, 35% Hispanic and 19% black.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 30526
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:28 am

Smile

The only person I have seen on here defending that cop has been Tommy Monk...

Then again,  Tommy does have a history of often jumping to the defence of incompetent, useless and/or crooked killer cops, while attempting to demonize, delegitimise and disenfrancise their innocent victims..

Especially where those victims are 'black', coloured or 'foreigners'.

_________________
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
Our life is frittered away by details. Simplify, simplify.
The mass of men lead lives of quite desperation.
Henry David Thoreau
'Wolfie
'Wolfie

Posts : 7745
Join date : 2016-02-24
Age : 61
Location : Lake Macquarie, NSW, Australia

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:10 pm

Yawn...

_________________
“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.'  — George Orwell
Tommy Monk
Tommy Monk

Posts : 23094
Join date : 2014-02-12

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Andy on Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:52 pm

'Wolfie wrote:Smile

The only person I have seen on here defending that cop has been Tommy Monk...

Then again,  Tommy does have a history of often jumping to the defence of incompetent, useless and/or crooked killer cops, while attempting to demonize, delegitimise and disenfrancise their innocent victims..

Especially where those victims are 'black', coloured or 'foreigners'.

That is what many have been saying all along - except a very rw nationalist moderator who cannot abide criticism of his bestest fascist chum.
Black cop kills innocent white guy, would Monk still be looking to blame the victim?

_________________
I have never met a caring sharing and compassionate Tory.
Tories and far right wingers. All liars and only it it for themselves.
Andy
Andy
Poet Laureate & Traveling Bard of NewsFix

Posts : 6214
Join date : 2013-12-14
Age : 62
Location : Winning the fight to drain the swamp of far right extremists.

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:57 pm



Andy would be defending the black one...



_________________
“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.'  — George Orwell
Tommy Monk
Tommy Monk

Posts : 23094
Join date : 2014-02-12

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by nicko on Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:49 pm

As would quill !
nicko
nicko

Posts : 12562
Join date : 2013-12-07
Age : 78
Location : rainbow bridge

Back to top Go down

Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home - Page 2 Empty Re: Ft. Worth Texas cop murders black woman in her own home

Post by Original Quill on Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:02 pm

nicko wrote:As would quill !

Both Andy and I would be defending the right one. You RW'ers are so focused on skin color you miss the paramount point about right and wrong.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 30526
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 2 Previous  1, 2

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum