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Post by phildidge on Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:30 pm



Think you will appreciate this mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=113&v=jv-daraEJu8

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Post by Lurker on Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:36 am

Conservatives don't believe in human rights. They believe all humans are on their own and deserve what they get. That's why I'm proud to be a liberal and anti-conservative.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:07 am

Only negative rights exist. Those are rights that you can exercise without forcing others to do things.

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Post by Vintage on Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:12 am

Lurker wrote:Conservatives don't believe in human rights. They believe all humans are on their own and deserve what they get. That's why I'm proud to be a liberal and anti-conservative.

You can't make such a sweeping statement, they are some people like that I admit.
I seem to hover over being Conservative in some things, Liberal in others and Socialist in a few things and I think there's a lot of us about. In other words we aren't dyed in the wool anything, importantly, we don't blindly follow a doctrine. We think about an issue and ask questions.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:21 pm

Maddog wrote:Only negative rights exist.  Those are rights that you can exercise without forcing others to do things.  

That's a very easy position to hold when you were born into some measure of security, and a very difficult position to hold when you weren't.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:45 pm

Has anyone actually watched the video?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:52 pm

phildidge wrote:Has anyone actually watched the video?

Not me.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:56 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:Only negative rights exist.  Those are rights that you can exercise without forcing others to do things.  

That's a very easy position to hold when you were born into some measure of security, and a very difficult position to hold when you weren't.

It's an easy position to take, when you're not a fan of forcing people to do things.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:56 pm

phildidge wrote:Has anyone actually watched the video?

I watched a few minutes.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:02 pm

Maddog wrote:
phildidge wrote:Has anyone actually watched the video?

I watched a few minutes.

Well I will await until someone watches it through

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:55 pm

Maddog wrote:
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Maddog wrote:Only negative rights exist.  Those are rights that you can exercise without forcing others to do things.  

That's a very easy position to hold when you were born into some measure of security, and a very difficult position to hold when you weren't.

It's an easy position to take, when you're not a fan of forcing people to do things.  

If you're born into a position where there are people to feed you, house you, clothe you, etc., then it's easy to say nobody should be forced to do those things.

If you're born into a position where nobody does those things for you, it's equally easy to say someone should be forced to.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:42 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
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It's an easy position to take, when you're not a fan of forcing people to do things.  

If you're born into a position where there are people to feed you, house you, clothe you, etc., then it's easy to say nobody should be forced to do those things.

If you're born into a position where nobody does those things for you, it's equally easy to say someone should be forced to.

No it's not. What is easy to say is that we should take care of each other without a gun pointed at us.

Lack of something is never justification for demanding someone else give it to you.

All that being said, I'm OK with people being forced to contribute to a kitty that supports children, the disabled and the elderly. Not because they have a right to anything but because we have an obligation to certain groups that are truly incapable of taking care of themselves.

A 5 year old kid cant support themselves. You and I can.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:01 pm

Maddog wrote:
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Maddog wrote:

It's an easy position to take, when you're not a fan of forcing people to do things.  

If you're born into a position where there are people to feed you, house you, clothe you, etc., then it's easy to say nobody should be forced to do those things.

If you're born into a position where nobody does those things for you, it's equally easy to say someone should be forced to.

No it's not.  What is easy to say is that we should take care of each other without a gun pointed at us.  

Lack of something is never justification for demanding someone else give it to you.  

All that being said, I'm OK with people being forced to contribute to a kitty that supports children, the disabled and the elderly.  Not because they have a right to anything but because we have an obligation to certain groups that are truly incapable of taking care of themselves.  

A 5 year old kid cant support themselves. You and I can.  

I totally agree, ya big flamin' lefty Smile

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