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Post by phildidge on Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:28 pm

ICE officials issued a harsh statement at a press conference Thursday, criticizing authorities in New York and New Jersey for refusing to honor detainer requests and allowing multiple accused child rapists to go free.

According to WLNY-TV, the first suspect in question was named Luciano Trejo-Dominguez, a Mexican national, who was arrested on Aug. 12th in New Jersey on charges related to an alleged sexual assault of a child younger than 16. The charges included sexual assault, sexual assault of a victim 13 to 15 years old, criminal restraint, criminal sexual contact and endangering the welfare of a child, according to WPIX-TV.

According to the statement from ICE, their office in Mount Laurel, New Jersey, filed detainers with the Cumberland County Jail, where Trejo-Dominguez was being held. However, the jail did not honor the request, and Trejo-Dominguez was released from custody on Aug. 23rd, and is currently at large.


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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:31 pm

ICE is criticizing New York and New Jersey for not doing their work for them:

...criticizing authorities in New York and New Jersey for refusing to honor detainer requests...

Why?  So they can put more babies in cages?

ICE should be, and will be disbanded when a Democratic administration is restored.  They are the nearest thing to the Nazi SS, ever in this country.

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Original Quill wrote:ICE is criticizing New York and New Jersey for not doing their work for them:

...criticizing authorities in New York and New Jersey for refusing to honor detainer requests...

Why?  So they can put more babies in cages?

ICE should be, and will be disbanded when a Democratic administration is restored.  They are the nearest thing to the Nazi SS, ever in this country.

Are you calling accused rapists and child molesters babies?

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Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:ICE is criticizing New York and New Jersey for not doing their work for them:



Why?  So they can put more babies in cages?

ICE should be, and will be disbanded when a Democratic administration is restored.  They are the nearest thing to the Nazi SS, ever in this country.

Are you calling accused rapists and child molesters babies?

That's just Trump's rhetoric.  He calls all Latinos rapists and criminals.  He also says that windmills cause cancer.

But yes, they are actually babies that ICE wants to put in cages. Follow the news. It's happening in your state, among other places.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:37 pm

So quill is now defending suspected rapists and child Molestors? Nobody is backing the view of Trump here, but the reality of some suspected criminals being allowed to go free without trial. 
 
WTF?

I dispair at the ignorance of this fuckwit. The only way to place Quill into comparability here, is like one of the Labour councillor that tried to cover up the grooming scandles in Rotherham

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phildidge wrote:So quill is now defending suspected rapists and child Molestors? Nobody is backing the view of Trump here, but the reality of some suspected criminals being allowed to go free without trial. 
 
WTF?

I dispair at the ignorance of this fuckwit. The only way to place Quill into comparability here, is like one of the Labour councillor that tried to cover up the grooming scandles in Rotherham

Didge, you're sounding a lot like Trump:



The only criminals the ICE guys found, were babies in cages. The only rapists I've heard of were the ICE guys themselves, as they abused the children.


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Can anyone point to me calling Mexicans rapists?

Of course not and it shows the desperation of Quill yet again to lie

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phildidge wrote:Can anyone point to me calling Mexicans rapists?

Yes...

phil wrote:So quill is now defending suspected rapists and child Molestors?

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Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Are you calling accused rapists and child molesters babies?

That's just Trump's rhetoric.  He calls all Latinos rapists and criminals.  He also says that windmills cause cancer.

But yes, they are actually babies that ICE wants to put in cages.  Follow the news.  It's happening in your state, among other places.

So you are calling accused rapists and child molesters babies.

You're an odd one.

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Original Quill wrote:
phildidge wrote:Can anyone point to me calling Mexicans rapists?

Yes...

phil wrote:So quill is now defending suspected rapists and child Molestors?


Oh dear it looks like quill requires going to specsavers

As again not once did I make the claim mexicans were rapists

I said Quill was defending "suspected" rapsists and child molestors. Like I said the fuckwit clearly needs his eyes tested

So yet again another example of Quill lying through his arse

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Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That's just Trump's rhetoric.  He calls all Latinos rapists and criminals.  He also says that windmills cause cancer.

But yes, they are actually babies that ICE wants to put in cages.  Follow the news.  It's happening in your state, among other places.

So you are calling accused rapists and child molesters babies.  

You're an odd one.

So it turns out...

ICE goes out, declaring they are looking for rapists and child molesters.  They come back with babies.  They put them in cages.

I wasn't with them, so I have no idea how they did that. Ask ICE.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:04 am

Smile

Note that the suspect Mexicans and Latinos are "accused" of those crimes --  

Dodge needs to remember that in the USA (and Australia, Canada and NZ..) "suspects" are still considered innocent until found 'guilty'..

Unlike Britain, Sweden, France, most of Asia and the Middle East, et al, where it seems that everybody is considered guilty until they prove themselves to be innocent.

In Britain, they seem to "arrest" anyone of any interest to the authorities, even when they're only taken in for questioning..

Maybe holding those Mexicans for ransom is the Dumpster's latest scheme to try and gouge some money out of the Mexican gov't to help finance his pet "wall" project  ???

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'Wolfie wrote:Smile

Note that the suspect Mexicans and Latinos are "accused" of those crimes --  

Dodge needs to remember that in the USA (and Australia, Canada and NZ..) "suspects" are still considered innocent until found 'guilty'..


Where did I cliam they were guilty until proven otherwise

Never did and as usual you are maingf a load of crap up to things I have not said

I stated rightly that they are suspects in actual crimes

I also stated that Quill is defending suspect rapists and suspect child molestors

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'Wolfie wrote:Smile

Note that the suspect Mexicans and Latinos are "accused" of those crimes --  

Dodge needs to remember that in the USA (and Australia, Canada and NZ..) "suspects" are still considered innocent until found 'guilty'..

Unlike Britain, Sweden, France, most of Asia and the Middle East, et al, where it seems that everybody is considered guilty until they prove themselves to be innocent.

In Britain, they seem to "arrest" anyone of any interest to the authorities, even when they're only taken in for questioning..

Maybe holding those Mexicans for ransom is the Dumpster's latest scheme to try and gouge some money out of the Mexican gov't to help finance his pet "wall" project  ???

They were accused of the sex crime, but were not here legally.

These are exactly the people that Obama deported in a heartbeat.

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Maddog wrote:
'Wolfie wrote:Smile

Note that the suspect Mexicans and Latinos are "accused" of those crimes --  

Dodge needs to remember that in the USA (and Australia, Canada and NZ..) "suspects" are still considered innocent until found 'guilty'..

Unlike Britain, Sweden, France, most of Asia and the Middle East, et al, where it seems that everybody is considered guilty until they prove themselves to be innocent.

In Britain, they seem to "arrest" anyone of any interest to the authorities, even when they're only taken in for questioning..

Maybe holding those Mexicans for ransom is the Dumpster's latest scheme to try and gouge some money out of the Mexican gov't to help finance his pet "wall" project  ???

They were accused of the sex crime, but were not here legally.

These are exactly the people that Obama deported in a heartbeat.  

Obama followed the law.  Today, ICE doesn't wait until a crime has been committed, but trumps up charges and calls it a breach of law for asylum-seekers even to ask for asylum.

ICE uses mere trumped-up (no pun intended, but in fact...), political speech rhetoric in lieu of real charges.  Anyone can do that.  If we allow it without legal procedures and restraints, it becomes a tactic used by dictators and banana republics.

I’m amazed at how many libertarians think this overreach of political power is acceptable…causes me to question their convictions.

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Original Quill wrote:
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They were accused of the sex crime, but were not here legally.

These are exactly the people that Obama deported in a heartbeat.  

Obama followed the law.  Today, ICE doesn't wait until a crime has been committed, but trumps up charges and calls it a breach of law for asylum-seekers even to ask for asylum.

ICE uses mere trumped-up (no pun intended, but in fact...), political speech rhetoric in lieu of real charges.  Anyone can do that.  If we allow it without legal procedures and restraints, it becomes a tactic used by dictators and banana republics.

I’m amazed at how many libertarians think this overreach of political power is acceptable…causes me to question their convictions.

Obama would have thrown these guys out of the country. He left most law abiding illegals alone.

These two are not law abiding.

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Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Obama followed the law.  Today, ICE doesn't wait until a crime has been committed, but trumps up charges and calls it a breach of law for asylum-seekers even to ask for asylum.

ICE uses mere trumped-up (no pun intended, but in fact...), political speech rhetoric in lieu of real charges.  Anyone can do that.  If we allow it without legal procedures and restraints, it becomes a tactic used by dictators and banana republics.

I’m amazed at how many libertarians think this overreach of political power is acceptable…causes me to question their convictions.

Obama would have thrown these guys out of the country. He left most law abiding illegals alone.

These two are not law abiding.  

No, Obama was most discerning about criminal activity. He didn't consider seeking asylum a crime, so he was quite tolerant of innocent people seeking a better life.

The only way in which he was similar to Trump, was when someone was proven to have committed a crime. But any similarity is from Trump moving the goal posts. Trump considers it a crime to merely ask for asylum.

Obama was very considerate of non-criminal, asylum seekers.

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Obama would have thrown these guys out of the country. He left most law abiding illegals alone.

These two are not law abiding.  

No, Obama was most discerning about criminal activity.  He didn't consider seeking asylum a crime, so he was quite tolerant of innocent people seeking a better life.

The only way in which he was similar to Trump, was when someone was proven to have committed a crime.  But any similarity is from Trump moving the goal posts.  Trump considers it a crime to merely ask for asylum.

Obama was very considerate of non-criminal, asylum seekers.

These people were not seeking asylum. They were arrested for having sex with minors.

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Remember, Obama holds the record for deportations in one year.

So just stop with your bullshit.

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Maddog wrote:Remember, Obama holds the record for deportations in one year.

Yes, but legitimate deportations. The dialectic is not between deportation and non-deportation. It is between following the law, and fudging with the law.

Obama was efficient (I'm glad to see you agree) at his job, but his job entailed following the law. With Obama, breaking the law meant that the subject had committed an actual felony in addition to presenting himself. With Trump, it was the mere being there that was the so-called criminal act. Trump's high numbers are from changing the law, and in some cases breaking the law. Trump moved the goal posts in that he defined seeking asylum an illegal act itself.

It's also worth noting how sloppy Trump is. He is the counterpoint to the efficient Barack Obama. That is why, when a court asked ICE to return the children to their parents, they could not do so. Trump, in his sloppiness, had not even thought to keep such records. Even today, there are thousands of children sitting in cages, whose crime is no more than that ICE doesn't know who or where their parents are.


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Maddog wrote:Remember, Obama holds the record for deportations in one year.

Yes, but legitimate deportations.  The polarity is not between deportation and non-deportation.  It is between following the law, and fudging with the law.

Obama was efficient (I glad to see you agree) at his job, but his job entailed following the law.  Trump's high numbers are from changing the law, and in some cases breaking the law.  Trump moved the goal posts in that he defined seeking asylum an illegal act itself.  With Obama, breaking the law meant that the subject had committed an actual felony in addition to presenting himself.  With Trump, it was the mere being there that was the so-called criminal act.

It's also worth noting how sloppy Trump is.  He is the counterpoint to the efficient Barack Obama.  That is why, when a court asked ICE to return the children to their parents, they could not do so.  Trump, in his sloppiness, had not even thought to keep such records.  Even today, there are thousands of children sitting in cages, whose crime is no more than that ICE doesn't know who or where their parents are.

And these two would have been legitimate.

Now stop.

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Yes, but legitimate deportations. The dialectic is not between deportation and non-deportation. It is between following the law, and fudging with the law.

Obama was efficient (I'm glad to see you agree) at his job, but his job entailed following the law. With Obama, breaking the law meant that the subject had committed an actual felony in addition to presenting himself. With Trump, it was the mere being there that was the so-called criminal act. Trump's high numbers are from changing the law, and in some cases breaking the law. Trump moved the goal posts in that he defined seeking asylum an illegal act itself.

It's also worth noting how sloppy Trump is. He is the counterpoint to the efficient Barack Obama. That is why, when a court asked ICE to return the children to their parents, they could not do so. Trump, in his sloppiness, had not even thought to keep such records. Even today, there are thousands of children sitting in cages, whose crime is no more than that ICE doesn't know who or where their parents are.

And these two would have been legitimate.

Absolutely not. Seeking asylum has never been a crime in any civilized nation in the free world. It is the trick of banana republics.

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And these two would have been legitimate.

Absolutely not.  Seeking asylum has never been a crime in any civilized nation in the free world.  It is the trick of banana republics.

They weren't seeking asylum but under age pussy ya dumbass.

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Absolutely not.  Seeking asylum has never been a crime in any civilized nation in the free world.  It is the trick of banana republics.

They weren't seeking asylum but under age pussy ya dumbass.

Laughing Laughing   Spoken like a true southerner.  Like Trump, you are your own best argument against yourself.

To your comment: how would you know?  ICE didn't keep records.  Nor would they otherwise be willing to disclose such information to you, or the public.  This is a political accusation, not a factual one.

Moreover, the name they put out is a single name.  Who knows if he's real?  If he is, you can't generalize from specifics.  No evidence that this is a trend.

ICE is claiming the state of New Jersey is not detaining persons for them.  At no point has ICE identified the people (plural), nor given any details to the press.  It's a form of branding, with no need for truth.

All we have is ICE's claim that they are criminals, and we know how they lie.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:31 pm

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Maddog wrote:

They weren't seeking asylum but under age pussy ya dumbass.

Laughing Laughing   Spoken like a true southerner.  Like Trump, you are your own best argument against yourself.

To your comment: how would you know?  ICE didn't keep records.  Nor would they otherwise be willing to disclose such information to you, or the public.  This is a political accusation, not a factual one.

Moreover, the name they put out is a single name.  Who knows if he's real?  If he is, you can't generalize from specifics.  No evidence that this is a trend.

ICE is claiming the state of New Jersey is not detaining persons for them.  At no point has ICE identified the people (plural), nor given any details to the press.  It's a form of branding, with no need for truth.

All we have is ICE's claim that they are criminals, and we know how they lie.

Do you know the difference between underage pussy and asylum?

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Post by Maddog on Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:13 pm

If you ever get caught in a hotel room with an underage girl, I guess you could simply claim you were seeking asylum.

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