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Saudi Aribian oil fields have been hit by some 10 drones, inflicting major damage on the world's supply of oil

Guardian wrote:Major Saudi Arabia oil facilities hit by Houthi drone strikes

Yemen’s rebel movement says it launched strikes that sparked huge fire at processing facility

Houthi rebels have claimed responsibility for a drone attack on the world’s largest oil processing facility in Saudi Arabia which is vital to global energy supplies.

The attacks on the processor and a major oilfield, operated by Saudi Aramco, on early Saturday sparked a huge fire, the kingdom’s interior ministry said.

According to Reuters, threes sources claimed the assault had disrupted output and exports, with one source claiming 5 million barrels per day of crude production had been impacted – nearly half the kingdom’s output.

The Wall Street Journal reported that Saudi Arabia is shutting down about half of its oil output because of the incident. Authorities have not confirmed whether oil production or exports were affected.

A military spokesman for Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi rebels claimed responsibility for the strikes, saying 10 drones had been deployed in the attack.

The Saudi-led coalition launched airstrikes on Yemen’s northern Saada province, a Houthi stronghold, on Saturday, a Reuters witness said. Houthi-run al Masirah TV said the warplanes targeted a military camp.

Yahia Sarie made the announcement on Saturday in a televised address carried by the Houthi movement’s al-Masirah satellite news channel.

Sarie said the rebels had attacked the Abqaiq oil processing facility and the Khurais oil field. He said attacks against the kingdom would get worse if the war in Yemen continued.

“The only option for the Saudi government is to stop attacking us,” he said. A Saudi-led coalition has been at war with the rebels since March 2015.

It was unclear whether there were any injuries in the attacks, or whether they would affect the country’s oil production. They are, however, likely to heighten tensions in the region, where Saudi Arabia and Iran are effectively fighting a proxy war in Yemen, and Tehran is at loggerheads with Washington over the latter’s withdrawal from its nuclear deal with world powers.

Online videos apparently shot in Abqaiq included the sound of gunfire in the background. Smoke rose over the skyline and flames could be seen in the distance at the oil processing facility.

The fires began after the sites were targeted by drones, the interior ministry said in a statement carried by the state-run Saudi Press Agency. It said an investigation was under way.

Saudi Aramco describes its Abqaiq facility as the largest crude oil stabilisation plant in the world. It is thought to be able to process up to 7m barrels of crude a day.

Bob McNally, who runs Rapidan Energy Group and served in the US National Security Council during the second Gulf War in 2003, told Reuters: “A successful attack on Abqaiq would be akin to a massive heart attack for the oil market and global economy.”

Militants have targeted the plant in the past. Suicide bombers claiming to be from al-Qaida tried but failed to attack it in February 2006.

The Khurais oil field is thought to produce more than 1m barrels of crude a day. It has estimated reserves of more than 20bn barrels, according to Aramco.

There was no immediate impact on global oil prices, because markets are closed for the weekend. Benchmark Brent crude had been trading at just above $60 a barrel.

Abqaiq is 205 miles (330km) north-east of Riyadh.

A Saudi-led coalition has been at war with the Houthi movement in Yemen since March 2015. The Iranian-backed rebels hold the capital, Sana’a, and other territory in the Arab world’s poorest country.

The war has triggered the world’s worst humanitarian crisis. The violence has pushed Yemen to the brink of famine and more than 90,000 people have been killed since 2015, according to the US-based Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project, which tracks the conflict.


Houthi rebels have been using drones in combat since the start of the Saudi-led war. The first appeared to be off-the-shelf, hobby-kit-style drones, but later versions have been nearly identical to Iranian models. Tehran denies supplying the rebels with weapons, but the west and Gulf Arab nations say it does.

The rebels have flown drones into the radar arrays of Saudi Arabia’s Patriot missile batteries, according to Conflict Armament Research, disabling them and allowing them to fire ballistic missiles into the kingdom unchallenged.

They launched drone attacks targeting Saudi Arabia’s crucial east-west pipeline in May as tensions heightened between Iran and the US.

Houthi drones also struck the Shaybah oil field in August. The field produces 1m barrels of crude a day near the Saudi border with the United Arab Emirates.

UN investigators have suggested that the rebels’ new UAV-X drone may have a range of up to 930 miles (1,500km), meaning they would be able to reach Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

The major question is, who did it?  The US administration is saying that Iran was behind it.  Skeptical—because that's what the Republican government said to draw the US into Iraq—reasonable people are expressing doubt that Iran is responsible.  The US has no evidence, and it is obvious that Trump would covet a confrontation with Iran.  Also…Trump lies a lot.

Iran denies that it was involved.  This isn’t the first time that the US has tried to implicate Iran in something that it denies…remember the attack on a tanker in the Straits of Hormuz?  

Also, consider that this could be a false flag operation.  The US administration is very cozy with Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia is in a very difficult position if Trump’s policies of tariffs leads to a recession.  A false flag assault on it’s own oil fields would be just the ticket for raising the price of oil in the near future.  See if that doesn’t happen?

The US is too quick to accuse, while offering no evidence on which to build a case.  At least the GW Bush Republicans sent Colin Powell up to the Hill to make a faux case on Iraq.  Watch this space for further news on the topic.

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Original Quill wrote:Saudi Aribian oil fields have been hit by some 10 drones, inflicting major damage on the world's supply of oil

Guardian wrote:Major Saudi Arabia oil facilities hit by Houthi drone strikes

Yemen’s rebel movement says it launched strikes that sparked huge fire at processing facility

Houthi rebels have claimed responsibility for a drone attack on the world’s largest oil processing facility in Saudi Arabia which is vital to global energy supplies.

The attacks on the processor and a major oilfield, operated by Saudi Aramco, on early Saturday sparked a huge fire, the kingdom’s interior ministry said.

According to Reuters, threes sources claimed the assault had disrupted output and exports, with one source claiming 5 million barrels per day of crude production had been impacted – nearly half the kingdom’s output.

The Wall Street Journal reported that Saudi Arabia is shutting down about half of its oil output because of the incident. Authorities have not confirmed whether oil production or exports were affected.

A military spokesman for Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi rebels claimed responsibility for the strikes, saying 10 drones had been deployed in the attack.

The Saudi-led coalition launched airstrikes on Yemen’s northern Saada province, a Houthi stronghold, on Saturday, a Reuters witness said. Houthi-run al Masirah TV said the warplanes targeted a military camp.

Yahia Sarie made the announcement on Saturday in a televised address carried by the Houthi movement’s al-Masirah satellite news channel.

Sarie said the rebels had attacked the Abqaiq oil processing facility and the Khurais oil field. He said attacks against the kingdom would get worse if the war in Yemen continued.

“The only option for the Saudi government is to stop attacking us,” he said. A Saudi-led coalition has been at war with the rebels since March 2015.

It was unclear whether there were any injuries in the attacks, or whether they would affect the country’s oil production. They are, however, likely to heighten tensions in the region, where Saudi Arabia and Iran are effectively fighting a proxy war in Yemen, and Tehran is at loggerheads with Washington over the latter’s withdrawal from its nuclear deal with world powers.

Online videos apparently shot in Abqaiq included the sound of gunfire in the background. Smoke rose over the skyline and flames could be seen in the distance at the oil processing facility.

The fires began after the sites were targeted by drones, the interior ministry said in a statement carried by the state-run Saudi Press Agency. It said an investigation was under way.

Saudi Aramco describes its Abqaiq facility as the largest crude oil stabilisation plant in the world. It is thought to be able to process up to 7m barrels of crude a day.

Bob McNally, who runs Rapidan Energy Group and served in the US National Security Council during the second Gulf War in 2003, told Reuters: “A successful attack on Abqaiq would be akin to a massive heart attack for the oil market and global economy.”

Militants have targeted the plant in the past. Suicide bombers claiming to be from al-Qaida tried but failed to attack it in February 2006.

The Khurais oil field is thought to produce more than 1m barrels of crude a day. It has estimated reserves of more than 20bn barrels, according to Aramco.

There was no immediate impact on global oil prices, because markets are closed for the weekend. Benchmark Brent crude had been trading at just above $60 a barrel.

Abqaiq is 205 miles (330km) north-east of Riyadh.

A Saudi-led coalition has been at war with the Houthi movement in Yemen since March 2015. The Iranian-backed rebels hold the capital, Sana’a, and other territory in the Arab world’s poorest country.

The war has triggered the world’s worst humanitarian crisis. The violence has pushed Yemen to the brink of famine and more than 90,000 people have been killed since 2015, according to the US-based Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project, which tracks the conflict.


Houthi rebels have been using drones in combat since the start of the Saudi-led war. The first appeared to be off-the-shelf, hobby-kit-style drones, but later versions have been nearly identical to Iranian models. Tehran denies supplying the rebels with weapons, but the west and Gulf Arab nations say it does.

The rebels have flown drones into the radar arrays of Saudi Arabia’s Patriot missile batteries, according to Conflict Armament Research, disabling them and allowing them to fire ballistic missiles into the kingdom unchallenged.

They launched drone attacks targeting Saudi Arabia’s crucial east-west pipeline in May as tensions heightened between Iran and the US.

Houthi drones also struck the Shaybah oil field in August. The field produces 1m barrels of crude a day near the Saudi border with the United Arab Emirates.

UN investigators have suggested that the rebels’ new UAV-X drone may have a range of up to 930 miles (1,500km), meaning they would be able to reach Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

The major question is, who did it?  The US administration is saying that Iran was behind it.  Skeptical—because that's what the Republican government said to draw the US into Iraq—reasonable people are expressing doubt that Iran is responsible.  The US has no evidence, and it is obvious that Trump would covet a confrontation with Iran.  Also…Trump lies a lot.

Iran denies that it was involved.  This isn’t the first time that the US has tried to implicate Iran in something that it denies…remember the attack on a tanker in the Straits of Hormuz?  

Also, consider that this could be a false flag operation.  The US administration is very cozy with Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia is in a very difficult position if Trump’s policies of tariffs leads to a recession.  A false flag assault on it’s own oil fields would be just the ticket for raising the price of oil in the near future.  See if that doesn’t happen?

The US is too quick to accuse, while offering no evidence on which to build a case.  At least the GW Bush Republicans sent Colin Powell up to the Hill to make a faux case on Iraq.  Watch this space for further news on the topic.


The Houthi.

Says so right in the title. tongue

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Maddog wrote:The Houthi.

Says so right in the title.

I know. So, why are the Republicans saying that Iran is behind it? Iran denies it. I see no evidence. They are just looking for an excuse to pick a fight. It's Iraq all over again.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:25 am

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Maddog wrote:The Houthi.

Says so right in the title.

I know.  So, why are the Republicans saying that Iran is behind it?  Iran denies it.  I see no evidence.  They are just looking for an excuse to pick a fight.  It's Iraq all over again.


"A military spokesman for Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi rebels claimed responsibility for the strikes, saying 10 drones had been deployed in the attack."


From the Guardian article you posted.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:07 am

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Rebels launch the attack...

Iran backs the rebels,  so likely supplied the drones..

Iranian weapons and supplies might originate in Russia, China or even France (those Frogs have been prepared to sell to anyone in the past..) --  then again, they may even have American, Israeli or German gear in there too, obtained on the black market.


Iran is up there on top of the US hit list, alongside Syria, N. Korea, Venezuela --  so the Repub' admin and their stooges in the Pentagon will naturally look to their #1 foes..


When GWB launched the 2nd gulf war, the prime objective was to secure Iraqi oil fields while chanelling $$billions$$ into Halliburton and associated entities, and the US's own arms suppliers...

Even when their own intelligence had bin Laden heading into Pakistan, the then Repub' administration was more interested in their own profiteering in Iraq and Afghanistan (where  Afghani territory was seen to be strategically important; at the same time the US assisted the Afghani opium industry to increase their legal (i.e. pharmaceutical..) exports to #2 globally, from previously being a very distant 4th behind Australia, India and Turkey..).

Leaving it to the Obama administration to finally order the hit on bin Laden.

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Maddog wrote:
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I know. So, why are the Republicans saying that Iran is behind it? Iran denies it. I see no evidence. They are just looking for an excuse to pick a fight. It's Iraq all over again.

"A military spokesman for Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi rebels claimed responsibility for the strikes, saying 10 drones had been deployed in the attack."

From the Guardian article you posted.

So they are aligned with Iran. So is Russia...is Putin responsible? There are lots of factions in the Shi'ite camp, some of them even Iran doesn't trust. Politics is a complex business.

That doesn't mean Iran planned, executed or even knew about the raid. We are close friends with Saudi Arabia...does that mean we murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi?

Get a life...the geopolitical world is a lot more complex that your lil Redneck mind can contemplate. If the Houthi are responsible, IMO the Saudis deserve a little pain for what they have done in Yemen.

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"A military spokesman for Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi rebels claimed responsibility for the strikes, saying 10 drones had been deployed in the attack."

From the Guardian article you posted.

So they are aligned with Iran.  So is Russia...is Putin responsible?  There are lots of factions in the Shi'ite camp, some of them even Iran doesn't trust.  Politics is a complex business.

That doesn't mean Iran planned, executed or even knew about the raid.  We are close friends with Saudi Arabia...does that mean we murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi?

Get a life...the geopolitical world is a lot more complex that your lil Redneck mind can contemplate.  If the Houthi are responsible, IMO the Saudis deserve a little pain for what they have done in Yemen.

I have no idea how much Iran was involved. Neither do you. I know it's not our business.

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Maddog wrote:
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So they are aligned with Iran.  So is Russia...is Putin responsible?  There are lots of factions in the Shi'ite camp, some of them even Iran doesn't trust.  Politics is a complex business.

That doesn't mean Iran planned, executed or even knew about the raid.  We are close friends with Saudi Arabia...does that mean we murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi?

Get a life...the geopolitical world is a lot more complex that your lil Redneck mind can contemplate.  If the Houthi are responsible, IMO the Saudis deserve a little pain for what they have done in Yemen.

I have no idea how much Iran was involved.  Neither do you. I know it's not our business.  

I agree 100%. But, the problem isn't over there; it's right here. The Trump Administration is fooling around with the notion that Iran is culpable. As it is our government, that should at least concern us. We shouldn't stick our heads in the sand.

The first level of analysis is to ask whether there is any substantiation to their claim. It may be that the Administration dicks are just fookin' with our heads. Or it may be that fate is fookin' with Trump's head. Whether or not it is real, it's the first indication of our imbecile breaking things in the china shop.

Trump has no strategy with Iran. His irrational hatred for anything 'Obama' has caused him to tear up the nuclear agreement we had with Iran. Now he wants to reinstate the same thing, now branded with his own name...same as he did with NAFTA. The risk is, he may be breaking the china for his own ego, and we'll have to pay for it.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:19 pm

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I have no idea how much Iran was involved.  Neither do you. I know it's not our business.  

I agree 100%.  But, the problem isn't over there; it's right here.  The Trump Administration is fooling around with the notion that Iran is culpable.  As it is our government, that should at least concern us.  We shouldn't stick our heads in the sand.

The first level of analysis is to ask whether there is any substantiation to their claim.  It may be that the Administration dicks are just fookin' with our heads.  Or it may be that fate is fookin' with Trump's head.  Whether or not it is real, it's the first indication of our imbecile breaking things in the china shop.

Trump has no strategy with Iran.  His irrational hatred for anything 'Obama' has caused him to tear up the nuclear agreement we had with Iran.  Now he wants to reinstate the same thing, now branded with his own name...same as he did with NAFTA.  The risk is, he may be breaking the china for his own ego, and we'll have to pay for it.

Maybe Trump can hire Hillary to run this campaign to protect the Saudis like she did the people of Libya. Rolling Eyes

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Post by nicko on Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:53 pm

I think the buggers should be "nuked" save trouble in the long run ! Laughing
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nicko wrote:I think the buggers should be "nuked" save trouble in the long run ! Laughing
Gas jumped about 25 cents a gallon over here.

No doubt Texas can make up some of the slack, but it's really not in anyone's interests to nuke them, unless you own a wind farm or solar panel company. Cool

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:14 pm

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I agree 100%. But, the problem isn't over there; it's right here. The Trump Administration is fooling around with the notion that Iran is culpable. As it is our government, that should at least concern us. We shouldn't stick our heads in the sand.

The first level of analysis is to ask whether there is any substantiation to their claim. It may be that the Administration dicks are just fookin' with our heads. Or it may be that fate is fookin' with Trump's head. Whether or not it is real, it's the first indication of our imbecile breaking things in the china shop.

Trump has no strategy with Iran. His irrational hatred for anything 'Obama' has caused him to tear up the nuclear agreement we had with Iran. Now he wants to reinstate the same thing, now branded with his own name...same as he did with NAFTA. The risk is, he may be breaking the china for his own ego, and we'll have to pay for it.

Maybe Trump can hire Hillary to run this campaign to protect the Saudis like she did the people of Libya. Rolling Eyes

Or maybe Andrew Jackson. I did not start this thread with a mind toward discussing ancient history. Whatabout Hillary? Nothing about Hillary. Start another thread if you want to discuss Hillary.

This Saudi raid happened just this past weekend. The tap root of this problem is Trump's pulling out of the nuclear accord just to feed his ego. Iran was in full compliance with that accord, which makes us the scammer. Now he thinks he can renegotiate the same deal, only with the Trump brand on the packaging. Meanwhile, we live in the never-never land of quasi-war, something that Trump (again) lied about, saying he did not want.

Let's face it...Trump has a hard-on over anything with 'Obama' on the label. Root cause: he doesn't like the man's skin color. Obama negotiated a deal with Iran, which prevented another North Korea from taking place. Hence, because of the black-skinned architect, that deal had to go. Hence, the party at arms length to that deal, had to be a welsher. Hence, anything you can hang on that party makes Trump look better. Hence, the Administration puts out new lies about how Iran is responsible (shades of Iraq and WMD's). Trump's insecure ego leads us into another war.

Trump is always touting about how we should get along with Russia. How we should put antagonisms with Russia behind us. How we should repair relationships with Russia. How we should hug Russia and become good friends. Alas, all it's going to do with Russia is help build a Moscow Trump Tower.

If Trump wanted to do something meaningful in the present world, he would take that same approach with Iran. That's where we really need that cooperative attitude. That's where Obama focused it. Extract that sentiment from the two-faced Putin, and apply it where it will do some real good in the troubled world. Make comrades of Iran and, for once, stand by your word.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:28 pm

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nicko wrote:I think the buggers should be "nuked" save trouble in the long run ! Laughing
Gas jumped about 25 cents a gallon over here.

I hate to say I told you so. But, that only supports what I hypothesized was the case: it's a false flag operation. Ask yourself, who is going to benefit? WTF would Iran get out of it?

Saudi Arabia did it to themselves, solely to justify a new fuel/price rise of amplitude. Jared Kushner needs to pay off the Saudis for pulling his ‘666 5th Avenue’ project out of bankruptcy.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:38 pm

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nicko wrote:I think the buggers should be "nuked" save trouble in the long run ! Laughing
Gas jumped about 25 cents a gallon over here.

No doubt Texas can make up some of the slack, but it's really not in anyone's interests to nuke them, unless you own a wind farm or solar panel company. Cool    

Iran's economy is hurting massively under sanctions and it comes as no surprise. That they would use one of the terrorist by proxy groups to turn up the heat on oil, with such an attack. Nobody wants to see the price of oil go up. So Iran is being clever by hitting nations where it hurts in their pockets. They want to see an ease of their sanctions and why you will see more of these attacks on Saudi its enemy. They want to ply pressure on the rest of the world. Its basically blackmail.

You are right about the US making up the slack and no doubt the US could relieve pressure by dropping prcies.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:49 pm

phil wrote:They want to see an ease of their sanctions and why you will see more of these attacks on Saudi its enemy. They want to ply pressure on the rest of the world. Its basically blackmail.

That's not blackmail. It's extortion. In police terms, it's the protection racket. The protection racket only works when you can communicate the transaction or trade to the victim. Heard anything lately? I've only heard denials.

Iran can't pull off such hooliganism because it is, itself, the victim of a greater hooligan...Trump himself. It’s looking more and more like a false flag operation.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:57 pm

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I agree 100%.  But, the problem isn't over there; it's right here.  The Trump Administration is fooling around with the notion that Iran is culpable.  As it is our government, that should at least concern us.  We shouldn't stick our heads in the sand.

The first level of analysis is to ask whether there is any substantiation to their claim.  It may be that the Administration dicks are just fookin' with our heads.  Or it may be that fate is fookin' with Trump's head.  Whether or not it is real, it's the first indication of our imbecile breaking things in the china shop.

Trump has no strategy with Iran.  His irrational hatred for anything 'Obama' has caused him to tear up the nuclear agreement we had with Iran.  Now he wants to reinstate the same thing, now branded with his own name...same as he did with NAFTA.  The risk is, he may be breaking the china for his own ego, and we'll have to pay for it.

Maybe Trump can hire Hillary to run this campaign to protect the Saudis like she did the people of Libya.  Rolling Eyes

I imagine you will end up seeing more sanctions on Iran over this and it could eventually lead to war with Iran with the Saudi's Who would happily make an alliance with israel with this. Be interesting but its clear Iran is trying to blackmail the world. This has already been seen with the hijacking of tankers. This is imple uping the anty

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:18 pm

Well, we agree on one thing: Trump want's war.

The Saudis? Well, they just chug along making more money than god.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:20 pm

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I know.  So, why are the Republicans saying that Iran is behind it?  Iran denies it.  I see no evidence.  They are just looking for an excuse to pick a fight.  It's Iraq all over again.


"A military spokesman for Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi rebels claimed responsibility for the strikes, saying 10 drones had been deployed in the attack."


From the Guardian article you posted.

Indeed this terrorist group is supported by Iran

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:52 pm

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"A military spokesman for Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi rebels claimed responsibility for the strikes, saying 10 drones had been deployed in the attack."


From the Guardian article you posted.

Indeed this terrorist group is supported by Iran

Trump supported the Saudis in their murder of Jamal Khashoggi. Connections exist...shit happens. It doesn't mean that THEY did it.

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Post by eddie on Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:47 pm

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Maddog wrote:The Houthi.

Says so right in the title.

I know.  So, why are the Republicans saying that Iran is behind it?  Iran denies it.  I see no evidence.  They are just looking for an excuse to pick a fight.  It's Iraq all over again.

I think you may be right on the button, Quill.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:55 pm

eddie wrote:
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I know.  So, why are the Republicans saying that Iran is behind it?  Iran denies it.  I see no evidence.  They are just looking for an excuse to pick a fight.  It's Iraq all over again.

I think you may be right on the button, Quill.

Welll you would have to be blind as a bat to not see Iran behind many acts of aggression of late

Seizing tankers for starters and where do you think these terrorists obtained the technology and drones/cruise missles for the attacks?


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Post by eddie on Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:58 pm

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I know.  So, why are the Republicans saying that Iran is behind it?  Iran denies it.  I see no evidence.  They are just looking for an excuse to pick a fight.  It's Iraq all over again.

I think you may be right on the button, Quill.

Welll you would have to be blind as a bat to not see Iran behind many acts of aggression of late


Doesn’t mean they did this though, does it?

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Post by Thorin on Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:00 pm

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Welll you would have to be blind as a bat to not see Iran behind many acts of aggression of late


Doesn’t mean they did this though, does it?

Well it certainly was not the klangers

In the latest reports the direction of the attacks came from the North, aka Iran and not Yemen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49733558

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:17 pm

phildidge wrote:
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I think you may be right on the button, Quill.

Welll you would have to be blind as a bat to not see Iran behind many acts of aggression of late

Seizing tankers for starters and where do you think these terrorists obtained the technology and drones/cruise missles for the attacks?

Seizing of tankers was another false flag action. The only Iranians in the area were the rescuers, filmed removing the magnetic mine from hull of the ship before it detonated.

It takes a lot of guts to handle a mine after it has been locked and loaded. Were the whole thing not a set-up from the start, for appearances, the Iranians would be hailed as heroes.

The pattern is all around us. The only one saying it's the Iranians is Trump. Tell me...does Trump ever lie? Rolling Eyes

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Post by Maddog on Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:10 pm

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I think you may be right on the button, Quill.

Welll you would have to be blind as a bat to not see Iran behind many acts of aggression of late

Seizing tankers for starters and where do you think these terrorists obtained the technology and drones/cruise missles for the attacks?


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Post by eddie on Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:12 pm

Maddog wrote:
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I think you may be right on the button, Quill.

Welll you would have to be blind as a bat to not see Iran behind many acts of aggression of late

Seizing tankers for starters and where do you think these terrorists obtained the technology and drones/cruise missles for the attacks?


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