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Post by Lurker on Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:06 pm

Trump and McConnell are turning it into one...


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Lurker wrote:Trump and McConnell are turning it in to one...

It's about California. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:56 pm

It's not about California, but about homelessness, Red. What do you plan on doing about it?

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Original Quill wrote:It's not about California, but about homelessness, Red.  What do you plan on doing about it?

Nothing. It's in your backyard.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:32 am

Smile

There we have it folks  !!!

Straight from the keyboard of Dopey 'Pollyanna' Dawg..

There is no homelessness in Texas or elsewhere in the USA --  it's all apparently California's problem alone these days.

Just ask Pollyanna's beloved 'Cato Instute' --  that seems his favourite source for facts and figures..

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Post by Maddog on Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:11 pm

'Wolfie wrote:Smile

There we have it folks  !!!

Straight from the keyboard of Dopey 'Pollyanna' Dawg..

There is no homelessness in Texas or elsewhere in the USA --  it's all apparently California's problem alone these days.

Just ask Pollyanna's beloved 'Cato Instute' --  that seems his favourite source for facts and figures..

There will always be homeless people. There will be the highest concentrations in the shittier areas.

California looks more like Bangladesh now.

Are you on the spectrum?

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'Wolfie wrote:Smile

There we have it folks  !!!

Straight from the keyboard of Dopey 'Pollyanna' Dawg..

There is no homelessness in Texas or elsewhere in the USA --  it's all apparently California's problem alone these days.

Just ask Pollyanna's beloved 'Cato Instute' --  that seems his favourite source for facts and figures..

There will always be homeless people.  There will be the highest concentrations in the shittier areas.  

So your answer is to punish the victims? If there were a Balboa Park somewhere in Texas (to ease your jurisdictional objections), and they blighted your precious park, you would do what?

Shoot them with your god-given handgun?

Send in the cops to shoot them (but only the blacks, because all lives matter)?

You still haven't responded to my hypothetical question. If an oil company were to blight the park drilling for oil, would you find that objectionable? Why...or, better yet, why not?

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There will always be homeless people.  There will be the highest concentrations in the shittier areas.  

So your answer is to punish the victims?  If there were a Balboa Park somewhere in Texas (to ease your jurisdictional objections), and they blighted your precious park, you would do what?

Shoot them with your god-given handgun?

Send in the cops to shoot them (but only the blacks, because all lives matter)?

You still haven't responded to my hypothetical question.  If an oil company were to blight the park drilling for oil, would you find that objectionable?  Why...or, better yet, why not?

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For the record, this video was made in California, by a California news crew.


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For the record, this video was made in California, by a California news crew.

Who cares? The producer of the video is not important, nor is the site of the filming. What is important is the topic: homelessness.

You confuse the topic with your perennial bitch about California...that it is god's chosen place on earth, and you resent it. Forget California, it's not the issue. The issue is homelessness. You use California as a red herring avoid the real topic.

That's why I transplanted the issue to Texas, your familiar stomping grounds, so we might talk about the topic of concern, not the background.

Now, what do you propose we do about homelessness, besides forcing them to 'move along' like they were prisoners on the Bataan march or Cherokee trail. And, is it the homeless you hate, and would your attitude be more favorable if the blight were caused by an oil company?

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For the record, this video was made in California, by a California news crew.

Who cares?  The producer of the video is not important, nor is the site of the filming.  What is important is the topic: homelessness.

You confuse the topic with your perennial bitch about California...that it is god's chosen place on earth, and you resent it.  Forget California, it's not the issue.  The issue is homelessness.  You use California as a red herring avoid the real topic.

That's why I transplanted the issue to Texas, your familiar stomping grounds, so we might talk about the topic of concern, not the background.

Now, what do you propose we do about homelessness, besides forcing them to 'move along' like they were prisoners on the Bataan march or Cherokee trail.  And, is it the homeless you hate, and would your attitude be more favorable if the blight were caused by an oil company?



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BTW, this thread is about the serious homeless problem in California, not me. Rolling Eyes

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Maddog wrote:BTW, this thread is about the serious homeless problem in California, not me.  Rolling Eyes

Unfortunately, you seem to be the one advocating geography for the sake of mere argument.  I want to make the thread more linear in it's purpose by focusing on the subject of injustice and homelessness.

Now, you brought up the topic of homelessness, not me.  But it is a fair subject around which to discuss equities (or inequities), which is implied by the title of this thread.  However, you are obsessed with the example of homelessness in the San Fernando Valley, and care little about the socioeconomic and political causes that bring about the disorder.

That's a discussion about geography, not injustice.  The thread title would suggest we should be discussing the latter.

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Maddog wrote:BTW, this thread is about the serious homeless problem in California, not me.  Rolling Eyes

Unfortunately, you seem to be the one advocating geography for the sake of mere argument.  I want to make the thread more linear in it's purpose by focusing on the subject of injustice and homelessness.

Now, you brought up the topic of homelessness, not me.  But it is a fair subject around which to discuss equities (or inequities), which is implied by the title of this thread.  However, you are obsessed with the example of homelessness in the San Fernando Valley, and care little about the socioeconomic and political causes that bring about the disorder.

That's a discussion about geography, not injustice.  The thread title would suggest we should be discussing the latter.

Start your own thread.

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Unfortunately, you seem to be the one advocating geography for the sake of mere argument.  I want to make the thread more linear in it's purpose by focusing on the subject of injustice and homelessness.

Now, you brought up the topic of homelessness, not me.  But it is a fair subject around which to discuss equities (or inequities), which is implied by the title of this thread.  However, you are obsessed with the example of homelessness in the San Fernando Valley, and care little about the socioeconomic and political causes that bring about the disorder.

That's a discussion about geography, not injustice.  The thread title would suggest we should be discussing the latter.

Start your own thread.  

Razz   Haha...I'm just trying to help you make sense of your own thread.  You got lost early, innit?

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Start your own thread.  

Razz   Haha...I'm just trying to help you make sense of your own thread.  You got lost early, innit?

Rolling Eyes

If I need help, I'll ask.

This thread is about the serious homeless problems in California.

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Razz   Haha...I'm just trying to help you make sense of your own thread.  You got lost early, innit?

Rolling Eyes

If I need help, I'll ask.

This thread is about the serious homeless problems in California.

Trust me, you need help!

Homelessness is everywhere. They just flock to California for the warm weather.

Now, if you are really serious about homelessness, let's discuss the situation, causes and cures. If you want to talk about geography, let's talk about Texas, which it appears, is in grand convulsions at present...population shifts, and hues of purple everywhere.

If you just want to bore us with your dislike of California, one word will do. You don't need to take up the space of a whole thread.

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If I need help, I'll ask.

This thread is about the serious homeless problems in California.

Trust me, you need help!

Homelessness is everywhere.  They just flock to California for the warm weather.

Now, if you are really serious about homelessness, let's discuss the situation, causes and cures.  If you want to talk about geography, let's talk about Texas, which it appears, is in grand convulsions at present...population shifts, and hues of purple everywhere.

If you just want to bore us with your dislike of California, one word will do.  You don't need to take up the space of a whole thread.

I know homelessness is everywhere.

This thread is about where it's the most concentrated.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:17 pm

California is home to some of the world’s toughest environmental and public health laws, but skyrocketing homelessness has created an environmental and public health disaster. The 44,000 people living, eating, and defecating on the streets of L.A. have brought rats and medieval diseases including typhus. Garbage is everywhere. Experts fear the return of cholera and leprosy.

And homelessness is making people violent. “We are seeing behaviors from our guests that I’ve never seen in 33 years,” said Bales. “They are so bizarre and different that I don’t even feel right describing the behaviors. It’s extreme violence of an extreme sexual nature. I have been doing this for 33 years and never seen anything like it.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/09/12/why-california-keeps-making-homelessness-worse/#1dab4dee5a61

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More than half a million people are homeless each night in the United States, a new White House report has found. And nearly half of them are concentrated in one state: California.

All told, 47% of all unsheltered homeless people nationwide — meaning those who sleep in areas not meant for habitation, such as sidewalks, parks, cars and abandoned buildings, rather than in shelters — live in the Golden State, according to a new report on homelessness from the White House Council of Economic Advisers. Unsheltered homeless people represent just over a third (35%) of the overall homeless population nationwide.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-state-is-home-to-nearly-half-of-all-people-living-on-the-streets-in-the-us-2019-09-18

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Trust me, you need help!

Homelessness is everywhere.  They just flock to California for the warm weather.

Now, if you are really serious about homelessness, let's discuss the situation, causes and cures.  If you want to talk about geography, let's talk about Texas, which it appears, is in grand convulsions at present...population shifts, and hues of purple everywhere.

If you just want to bore us with your dislike of California, one word will do.  You don't need to take up the space of a whole thread.

I know homelessness is everywhere.

This thread is about where it's the most concentrated.  

That would be New York. California is the largest state in the country, so it has its fair share. But if you want the 'most concentrated', look in the big eastern cities.

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I know homelessness is everywhere.

This thread is about where it's the most concentrated.  

That would be New York.  California is the largest state in the country, so it has its fair share.  But if you want the 'most concentrated', look in the big eastern cities.


And nearly half of them are concentrated in one state: California.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-state-is-home-to-nearly-half-of-all-people-living-on-the-streets-in-the-us-2019-09-18

Spend more time reading and less time typing.

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Instead of trying to deflect from the truth, why don't we ask ourselves why does California have such a large homeless problem?

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:51 pm

Marketwatch?  Pleeeze.  That’s a News Corp. operation, same as Faux News.  Jeremy Olshan, a veteran of the New York Post, is the editor.  Of course they are not fans of the most liberal state in the country.

California, with 34.12 million people, is certainly going to rank among the homeless population.  Even to a disproportionate measure, because of the beautiful weather.  If you were homeless and it was winter, would you rather be in Buffalo NY, or San Diego?  Duh?

There's nothing about California policies that invites, or even exacerbates the problem.  That's just Republican blather.  It’s no wonder that it would end up in a Republican, News Corp. financial publication.

Another in the catalogue of How to Lie with Statistics.  Did you take a look at the site I recommended: https://www.wikihow.com/Lie-with-Statistics ?  I note you are no longer dealing with rates or averages, but going to talking about cities.  Remember?  So, you are suddenly talking about modes.  What the wiki site says about that:

Wiki How to Lie with Statistics wrote:Any survey that rates on a broad scale can be manipulated to emphasize the mode. If you survey 100 people on a scale of 1 to 10 about their feelings on a subject, and more people rate it “10” than any other number, then even if only one more person gave a 10 rating than gave a 1 rating, 10 is the mode average.
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There are a number of tricks that conservative and Republican periodicals use to skew the information.  It's a good read...tho some people are impatient with statistics.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:04 am

Original Quill wrote:Marketwatch?  Pleeeze.  That’s a News Corp. operation, same as Faux News.  Jeremy Olshan, a veteran of the New York Post, is the editor.  Of course they are not fans of the most liberal state in the country.

California, with 34.12 million people, is certainly going to rank among the homeless population.  Even to a disproportionate measure, because of the beautiful weather.  If you were homeless and it was winter, would you rather be in Buffalo NY, or San Diego?  Duh?

There's nothing about California policies that invites, or even exacerbates the problem.  That's just Republican blather.  It’s no wonder that it would end up in a Republican, News Corp. financial publication.

Another in the catalogue of How to Lie with Statistics.  Did you take a look at the site I recommended: https://www.wikihow.com/Lie-with-Statistics ?  I note you are no longer dealing with rates or averages, but going to talking about cities.  Remember?  So, you are suddenly talking about modes.  What the wiki site says about that:

Wiki How to Lie with Statistics wrote:Any survey that rates on a broad scale can be manipulated to emphasize the mode. If you survey 100 people on a scale of 1 to 10 about their feelings on a subject, and more people rate it “10” than any other number, then even if only one more person gave a 10 rating than gave a 1 rating, 10 is the mode average.
https://www.wikihow.com/Lie-with-Statistics

There are a number of tricks that conservative and Republican periodicals use to skew the information.  It's a good read...tho some people are impatient with statistics.

So now it's the source?

OK Wolfie Jr. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:38 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Marketwatch?  Pleeeze.  That’s a News Corp. operation, same as Faux News.  Jeremy Olshan, a veteran of the New York Post, is the editor.  Of course they are not fans of the most liberal state in the country.

California, with 34.12 million people, is certainly going to rank among the homeless population.  Even to a disproportionate measure, because of the beautiful weather.  If you were homeless and it was winter, would you rather be in Buffalo NY, or San Diego?  Duh?

There's nothing about California policies that invites, or even exacerbates the problem.  That's just Republican blather.  It’s no wonder that it would end up in a Republican, News Corp. financial publication.

Another in the catalogue of How to Lie with Statistics.  Did you take a look at the site I recommended: https://www.wikihow.com/Lie-with-Statistics ?  I note you are no longer dealing with rates or averages, but going to talking about cities.  Remember?  So, you are suddenly talking about modes.  What the wiki site says about that:



There are a number of tricks that conservative and Republican periodicals use to skew the information.  It's a good read...tho some people are impatient with statistics.

So now it's the source?

OK Wolfie Jr.  Rolling Eyes

No, you heard the analysis.  Don't run away from it.  You and your cherry-picked arguments are lies, thinly cloaked by a veneer of confusion.

The difference is that you've got to have substantiation.  You neither understand statistics, nor the logic of where you are going.  But your real downfall is your lack of any substantiation.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:38 am

Maddog wrote:Instead of trying to deflect from the truth, why don't we ask ourselves why does California have such a large homeless problem?  
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..without any redneck corporatist 'libertarian' Texan telling them all it's all their own fault...

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Post by Maddog on Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:55 pm

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Maddog wrote:

So now it's the source?

OK Wolfie Jr.  Rolling Eyes

No, you heard the analysis.  Don't run away from it.  You and your cherry-picked arguments are lies, thinly cloaked by a veneer of confusion.

The difference is that you've got to have substantiation.  You neither understand statistics, nor the logic of where you are going.  But your real downfall is your lack of any substantiation.

Why does California have the largest homeless problem in the US?

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:04 pm

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No, you heard the analysis.  Don't run away from it.  You and your cherry-picked arguments are lies, thinly cloaked by a veneer of confusion.

The difference is that you've got to have substantiation.  You neither understand statistics, nor the logic of where you are going.  But your real downfall is your lack of any substantiation.

Why does California have the largest homeless problem in the US?

Because it's the largest state in the US. Duh!

Next question: Why does the US have a larger military than the Bahamas?

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Post by Lurker on Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:53 pm

California is a hell of a lot better than Texas. Texas is full of dumb ass Trump dick suckers.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:59 pm

Lurker wrote:California is a hell of a lot better than Texas. Texas is full of dumb ass Trump dick suckers.

So why do you live in Tennesee?

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Post by Maddog on Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:00 pm

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Why does California have the largest homeless problem in the US?

Because it's the largest state in the US.  Duh!

Next question: Why does the US have a larger military than the Bahamas?

Yeah, that's why it has the highest per capita problem professor. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:23 pm

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Because it's the largest state in the US.  Duh!

Next question: Why does the US have a larger military than the Bahamas?

Yeah, that's why it has the highest per capita problem professor.  Rolling Eyes

What is it going to be?  What games with statistics should we play today?  Shall we play the modal average, or the mean average, or perhaps we should play the simple average?

I'll bet the mean standard deviation gives you constipation, eh?

I know...since you can't tell the difference anyway, let's just play hopscotch.  Rolling Eyes

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Post by Maddog on Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:27 pm

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Yeah, that's why it has the highest per capita problem professor.  Rolling Eyes

What is it going to be?  What games with statistics should we play today?  Shall we play the modal average, or the mean average, or perhaps we should play the simple average?

I'll bet the mean standard deviation gives you constipation, eh?

I know...since you can't tell the difference anyway, let's just play hopscotch.  Rolling Eyes

We can use any of them professor.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:45 pm

Maddog wrote:
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What is it going to be?  What games with statistics should we play today?  Shall we play the modal average, or the mean average, or perhaps we should play the simple average?

I'll bet the mean standard deviation gives you constipation, eh?

I know...since you can't tell the difference anyway, let's just play hopscotch.  Rolling Eyes

We can use any of them professor.

That way you don't have to learn the difference. Twisted Evil

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Post by Maddog on Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:00 pm

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We can use any of them professor.

That way you don't have to learn the difference.  Twisted Evil


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Post by Lurker on Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:33 pm

Texas is the shit hole of the world...

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Post by Maddog on Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:48 pm

Lurker wrote:Texas is the shit hole of the world...

Thanks for your input.

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