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Post by Original Quill on Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:09 pm

Just watched an MSNBC piece on how Texas is rapidly flipping toward the Democratic Party.  Texas has traditionally been a deep red state, meaning that it is strongly Republican.  But changing demographics are bringing about drastic changes.

Texas has a strong Black presence, and a growing Hispanic presence.  Hispanics traditionally vote Democratic, and of course Blacks always have.  Changes in the population may cause the state to flip.

As of the 2010 U.S. Census, Hispanics and Latinos of any race were 38.2% of the state's population.  Moreover, the U.S Census shows that the 2010 estimated Hispanic population in Texas was 9.7 million and increased to 11.1 million in 2017 with a calculated 18% change from 2010.  In fact, the Hispanic population is the hottest expanding voting pool in the country (not just Texas).  But because Texas is on the border with Mexico, it is a veritable wildfire.

Plus, the Republican administration of Donald Trump is openly hostile to Hispanics.  He calls them "rapists".  Fully embracing white supremacy, Trump is none too cozy with Blacks, either.  Both groups are already strongly dedicated to Democratic Party principles. But Trump is exacerbating the transition.  Texas is already deeply purple (blend of red and blue) and running headlong toward the Democratic Party.

Could the party of George Bush and Ted Cruz in Texas, be turning blue?

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Post by Maddog on Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:03 pm

Original Quill wrote:Just watched an MSNBC piece on how Texas is rapidly flipping toward the Democratic Party.  Texas has traditionally been a deep red state, meaning that it is strongly Republican.  But changing demographics are bringing about drastic changes.

Texas has a strong Black presence, and a growing Hispanic presence.  Hispanics traditionally vote Democratic, and of course Blacks always have.  Changes in the population may cause the state to flip.

As of the 2010 U.S. Census, Hispanics and Latinos of any race were 38.2% of the state's population.  Moreover, the U.S Census shows that the 2010 estimated Hispanic population in Texas was 9.7 million and increased to 11.1 million in 2017 with a calculated 18% change from 2010.  In fact, the Hispanic population is the hottest expanding voting pool in the country (not just Texas).  But because Texas is on the border with Mexico, it is a veritable wildfire.

Plus, the Republican administration of Donald Trump is openly hostile to Hispanics.  He calls them "rapists".  Fully embracing white supremacy, Trump is none too cozy with Blacks, either.  Both groups are already strongly dedicated to Democratic Party principles.  But Trump is exacerbating the transition.  Texas is already deeply purple (blend of red and blue) and running headlong toward the Democratic Party.

Could the party of George Bush and Ted Cruz in Texas, be turning blue?

Nah. Everyone there is a racist Redneck.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:20 pm

You left out all the folks from California moving here. Granted many are conservative, but many are also dumb enough to try to fuck up Texas like the state they had to leave.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:15 pm

Maddog wrote:You left out all the folks from California moving here. Granted many are conservative, but many are also dumb enough to try to fuck up Texas like the state they had to leave.  

Well, that's possibly another factor in support of my thesis. But Californians are ex-Oklahomans, ex-Michiganders, ex-Pennsylvanians, ex-Iowans, ex-everywhere. The California migration took place directly after WWII...and they were not all Democrats, which is the point of the matter.

The minorities of this country are dedicated Democrats, whereas Republicans are white supremacists. The influx of Hispanics is bound to change the political complexion of Texas.


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Post by Maddog on Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:27 pm

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Maddog wrote:You left out all the folks from California moving here. Granted many are conservative, but many are also dumb enough to try to fuck up Texas like the state they had to leave.  

Well, that's possibly another factor in support of my thesis.  But Californians are ex-Oklahomans, ex-Michiganders, ex-Pennsylvanians, ex-Iowans, ex-everywhere.  The California migration took place directly after WWII...and they were not all Democrats, which is the point of the matter.

The minorities of this country are dedicated Democrats, whereas Republicans are white supremacists.  The influx of Hispanics is bound to change the political complexion of Texas.


These folks from California that are coming here are not ex anyone. Doesn't matter where their Grandpa was born, Grandpa.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:12 pm

I actually believe that Texas going to the Democrats could be the start of an awful lot of good things for the entire world.

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Post by eddie on Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:15 pm

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Maddog wrote:You left out all the folks from California moving here. Granted many are conservative, but many are also dumb enough to try to fuck up Texas like the state they had to leave.  

Well, that's possibly another factor in support of my thesis.  But Californians are ex-Oklahomans, ex-Michiganders, ex-Pennsylvanians, ex-Iowans, ex-everywhere.  The California migration took place directly after WWII...and they were not all Democrats, which is the point of the matter.

The minorities of this country are dedicated Democrats, whereas Republicans are white supremacists.  The influx of Hispanics is bound to change the political complexion of Texas.


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Post by Maddog on Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:31 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I actually believe that Texas going to the Democrats could be the start of an awful lot of good things for the entire world.

Yeah. Because the world needs another fucking California. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:47 pm

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Ben Reilly wrote:I actually believe that Texas going to the Democrats could be the start of an awful lot of good things for the entire world.

Yeah. Because the world needs another fucking California. Rolling Eyes

Texas won't turn into California if it goes blue, any more than it did when Ann Richards (Democrat) was (a terrific) governor of Texas back in the '90s, or when the Texan Democrat Lyndon Johnson became president and passed a slew of social programs that help millions of poor Americans to this day.

Also, California isn't that bad! If you're just saying that because you hate how liberal California is, consider for a moment that right now, I couldn't drive in three days to a place that wasn't far to the left of California on most issues, and they're not hellholes in any way.

I say this not as an insult but merely as an observation that I actually hope might help you -- I think you might be a bit brainwashed.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:50 pm

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Yeah. Because the world needs another fucking California. Rolling Eyes

Texas won't turn into California if it goes blue, any more than it did when Ann Richards (Democrat) was (a terrific) governor of Texas back in the '90s, or when the Texan Democrat Lyndon Johnson became president and passed a slew of social programs that help millions of poor Americans to this day.

Also, California isn't that bad! If you're just saying that because you hate how liberal California is, consider for a moment that right now, I couldn't drive in three days to a place that wasn't far to the left of California on most issues, and they're not hellholes in any way.

I say this not as an insult but merely as an observation that I actually hope might help you -- I think you might be a bit brainwashed.

Ann Richards is nothing like the democrats of today.

LBJ would be to the right of most republicans.

And I'm far from brainwashed, and am not in need of your "help".

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:00 pm

Ann Richards is still remembered fondly within Democratic circles, and she was a true-blue progressive. LBJ's domestic legacy is something that Republicans have been trying to destroy since the '60s.

And yeah, I do think that you have a bit of a knee-jerk reaction when it comes to socialist programs to help the poor. Just my opinion, of course, and I might be wrong, but that's how it seems to me.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:27 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Ann Richards is still remembered fondly within Democratic circles, and she was a true-blue progressive. LBJ's domestic legacy is something that Republicans have been trying to destroy since the '60s.

And yeah, I do think that you have a bit of a knee-jerk reaction when it comes to socialist programs to help the poor. Just my opinion, of course, and I might be wrong, but that's how it seems to me.

I have consistent reactions to the expansion of government and the taking of rights and property. I have no issues with helping the less unfortunate. I do have issues with people that think the expansion of government is the best way to help the less fortunate.

California has the highest effective poverty rate in the country while Texas is an economic engine growing like crazy, yet you support the policies of the former. That's simply being obtuse.

You are supporting failure and distancing yourself from success because it makes you feel better about yourself.

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Ben Reilly wrote:Ann Richards is still remembered fondly within Democratic circles, and she was a true-blue progressive. LBJ's domestic legacy is something that Republicans have been trying to destroy since the '60s.

And yeah, I do think that you have a bit of a knee-jerk reaction when it comes to socialist programs to help the poor. Just my opinion, of course, and I might be wrong, but that's how it seems to me.

I have consistent reactions to the expansion of government and the taking of rights and property.  I have no issues with helping the less unfortunate.  I do have issues with people that think the expansion of government is the best way to help the less fortunate.  

California has the highest effective poverty rate in the country while Texas is an economic engine growing like crazy, yet you support the policies of the former.  That's simply being obtuse.  

You are supporting failure and distancing yourself from success because it makes you feel better about yourself.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:48 pm

You only have to look at poverty rates before and after government programs were implemented to help the poor to see their effectiveness. Charity doesn't work.

Helping the poor doesn't infringe on anybody's rights, either, nor does it deprive anyone of an egregious amount of their property.

Economic growth isn't the be all, end all. For one thing, only the rich truly benefit from it. The environment tends to get trampled (too bad it can't speak for itself, or vote).

I support what I think works. My values make me feel better, not my policy positions. If anybody can show that government programs aren't as effective as Policy X, Y or Z at helping the poor, I'll gladly and passionately support Policy X, Y or Z.

Russell Brand said a while back that society is collapsing because "people are starting to recognise that the reason they feel like they're mentally ill is that they're living in a system that's not designed to suit the human spirit."

He points to problems like breathing dirty air, eating unhealthy food, working 12-hour shifts as reasons people don't feel they matter to the system.

I don't want to punish the rich. I don't want to glorify the poor. I don't salivate at the thought of a massive, all-powerful government.

I just want a world that treats people as though their suffering is a real problem, not a nuisance or a necessary evil.

There are plenty of places in the world where people rate themselves as highly content and satisfied with their lives, and the one thing these places all have in common is that there is a lot of government support for people who are struggling.

So when I say America should be more like those places, it's not because I want people to think I'm great, or because I want to feel good about myself. I actually just think having a world where people were happier would be really great.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:15 am

California is the most populated state in the nation.  Hence, it's got the most of everything...from poverty to billionaires. That's a specious statistic, Red.

While I'm glad to see Texas is playing choo-choo, the little train that could, the fact is that California is the fifth largest economy in the world, having recently past France.

But this isn't a pissing match between big states.  This is about Texas.  Texas is a huge state, both geographically and population-wise, as well economically...so that I am pleased that it is about to go Democratic.  It will look good in blue.

But RW'ers are not the most rational of people.  I think there is going to be a problem among white supremacists and just plain ol' racists.  Southerners don't play well with others.

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Original Quill wrote:California is the most populated state in the nation.  Hence, it's got the most of everything...from poverty to billionaires.  That's a specious statistic, Red.

While I'm glad to see Texas is playing choo-choo, the little train that could, the fact is that California is the fifth largest economy in the world, having recently past France.

But this isn't a pissing match between big states.  This is about Texas.  Texas is a huge state, both geographically and population-wise, as well economically...so that I am pleased that it is about to go Democratic.  It will look good in blue.

But RW'ers are not the most rational of people.  I think there is going to be a problem among white supremacists and just plain ol' racists.  Southerners don't play well with others.

Couple of things ...

First off, Texas has a reputation for being really really really Republican, but it's not actually one of the most Republican states. All the major cities save one (mine and Maddog's hometown, actually) are majority Democrat.

This has made Texas into a place where, refreshingly, Democrats and Republicans tend to talk to one another more and get to know one another better. I have plenty of Republican friends in Texas, and they're by and large rather nice, smart people who tend to vote for low taxes more than anything else.

Some, of course, are supremely deluded, thinking Democrats are gun-grabbing Communists, but the ones I know tend to respect people's right to their beliefs.

I think if you want to understand Texas, especially the old white guard you're talking about, you have to understand that left-leaning, pot-smoking, hippy-ass Willie Nelson is nonetheless a saint in Texas, even to hardcore redneck types.

Fort Worth is a city where you can see Muslims strolling past a Vietnamese restaurant as a horse-mounted cop in a cowboy hat rides by and asks "how y'all doing?" That's the Texas I know -- we're pretty friendly and easy going, and nobody gets too upset when they have a gay rodeo at Will Rogers Coliseum.

That reminds me -- I covered the Fort Worth gay pride march last year, and I saw about a dozen protesters. And they didn't really get shitty or anything.

I know I'm rambling, but I'm just trying to say that the typical Texas Republican is just as likely to react with amused curiosity as with anger if the Democrats take charge of the state.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:53 am

But, now and then, there are those in Texas who shoot up Walmart's with complete abandon.

Oh...and you are right; Missouri is more Republican a state.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:01 am

Ben Reilly wrote:You only have to look at poverty rates before and after government programs were implemented to help the poor to see their effectiveness. Charity doesn't work.

Helping the poor doesn't infringe on anybody's rights, either, nor does it deprive anyone of an egregious amount of their property.

Economic growth isn't the be all, end all. For one thing, only the rich truly benefit from it. The environment tends to get trampled (too bad it can't speak for itself, or vote).

I support what I think works. My values make me feel better, not my policy positions. If anybody can show that government programs aren't as effective as Policy X, Y or Z at helping the poor, I'll gladly and passionately support Policy X, Y or Z.

Russell Brand said a while back that society is collapsing because "people are starting to recognise that the reason they feel like they're mentally ill is that they're living in a system that's not designed to suit the human spirit."

He points to problems like breathing dirty air, eating unhealthy food, working 12-hour shifts as reasons people don't feel they matter to the system.

I don't want to punish the rich. I don't want to glorify the poor. I don't salivate at the thought of a massive, all-powerful government.

I just want a world that treats people as though their suffering is a real problem, not a nuisance or a necessary evil.

There are plenty of places in the world where people rate themselves as highly content and satisfied with their lives, and the one thing these places all have in common is that there is a lot of government support for people who are struggling.

So when I say America should be more like those places, it's not because I want people to think I'm great, or because I want to feel good about myself. I actually just think having a world where people were happier would be really great.

Poverty rates are not much different than they were 50 years ago, so those programs have done very little, besides making you feel better.

Meanwhile, people keep pouring into Texas from blue states and your solution is for Texas to be like the states they are leaving.

Have you thought this through?

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Original Quill wrote:California is the most populated state in the nation.  Hence, it's got the most of everything...from poverty to billionaires.  That's a specious statistic, Red.

While I'm glad to see Texas is playing choo-choo, the little train that could, the fact is that California is the fifth largest economy in the world, having recently past France.

But this isn't a pissing match between big states.  This is about Texas.  Texas is a huge state, both geographically and population-wise, as well economically...so that I am pleased that it is about to go Democratic.  It will look good in blue.

But RW'ers are not the most rational of people.  I think there is going to be a problem among white supremacists and just plain ol' racists.  Southerners don't play well with others.

California has the highest poverty RATE. Rates have nothing to do with population.

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Original Quill wrote:California is the most populated state in the nation.  Hence, it's got the most of everything...from poverty to billionaires.  That's a specious statistic, Red.

While I'm glad to see Texas is playing choo-choo, the little train that could, the fact is that California is the fifth largest economy in the world, having recently past France.

But this isn't a pissing match between big states.  This is about Texas.  Texas is a huge state, both geographically and population-wise, as well economically...so that I am pleased that it is about to go Democratic.  It will look good in blue.

But RW'ers are not the most rational of people.  I think there is going to be a problem among white supremacists and just plain ol' racists.  Southerners don't play well with others.

California has the highest poverty RATE. Rates have nothing to do with population.  

Right, fancy dan.  And you left behind your proof.

California is way down the list.  At the top are the southern, 'racially-motivated' states:

1 Mississippi 21.9%
2 New Mexico 20.6%
3 Louisiana 19.9%
4 Alabama 19.2%
5 Kentucky 19.0%
6 Arkansas 18.7%
7 Georgia 18.4%
8 District of Columbia 18.4%
9 West Virginia 18.3%
10 Tennessee 18.2%
11 Arizona 18.2%
12 South Carolina 17.9%
13 Texas 17.2%
14 North Carolina 17.2%
15 Oklahoma 16.6%
16 Florida       16.6

Then begin the northern states, the ones with industry and energy:

17 Oregon 16.4%
18 California 16.4%
19 Michigan 16.2%
20 New York 15.9%
21 Ohio        15.8%
22 Missouri 15.5%
23 Nevada 15.4%
24 Montana 15.2%
25 Indiana 15.2%
26 United States (country as a whole) 14.8%
27 Rhode Island 14.8%
28 Idaho 14.8%
29 Illinois 14.3%
30 South Dakota 14.1%
31 Maine 14.0%
32 Pennsylvania 13.6%
33 Kansas 13.5%
34 Wisconsin 13.2%
35 Washington 13.2%
36 Delaware 13.0%
37 Nebraska 12.3%
38 Iowa 12.3%
39 Vermont 12.2%
40 Colorado 12.1%
41 Virginia 11.8%
42 Utah 11.8%
43 Massachusetts 11.7%
44 Hawaii 11.5%
45 Minnesota 11.4%
46 Alaska 11.4%
47 North Dakota 11.1%
48 New Jersey 11.1%
49 Connecticut 10.8%
50 Wyoming 10.6%
51 Maryland 10.4%
52 New Hampshire

DC and US add two line items.  

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-states-by-poverty-rate.html

Get the picture...that the southern states are a drag on the whole of the US?

Overall, this northern/southern split is because America started out as two nations: 1) an energetic industrial and mercantile north; and 2) an agrarian, cash-cropping south, dependent on slavery.  The dilatory south was born of laziness and lethargy...and so now, 250-years later: garbage in, garbage out.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:45 pm

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-california-poverty-rate-20180913-htmlstory.html



Sorry, you are wrong again. You're not taking the rate after the cost of living is factored in.

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https://www.keyt.com/news/santa-maria-north-county/california-has-highest-poverty-rate-in-the-nation-central-coast-experts-tackling-issue-locally-1/1120307749


From yesterday. Wink

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Maddog wrote:https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-california-poverty-rate-20180913-htmlstory.html

Sorry, you are wrong again. You're not taking the rate after the cost of living is factored in.  

'Yeah but', 'yeah but', 'year but'...you Republicans are inventive with your excuses.

Cost of living is an individual factor, related to overall well-being. It is not factor that is attributable to (as opposed to associated with) the region. Anyone can live with a higher cost of living, as long as the wages are kept equally high. In fact, a higher standard of living is like a more lavish dinner. You don't demean a state because it serves better meals; demean employers for not keeping up (or for taking advantage).

California is a wealthy state...perhaps more so than New York. It is the birthplace of personal computers, program arts, shipbuilding, the Internet and wireless/telecom services, aviation manufacturers, film producers, and the San Joaquin Valley is the most productive farm belt in the nation. The San Francisco Bay Area is second only to the Tri-state (New York, New Jersey and Connecticut) in Fortune-500 companies, and millionaires.

But janitors and gardeners have to be kept up. The problem is not the state or region. The problem is capitalism. That's an age old problem, which will be remedied when the people realize that the god of profit is not better than the god of humanity.

By comparison, the southern states have the workshop mentality from the start. The wage disparity in the south doesn't happen by fate, but by intention. The old cash-cropping mentality carries on into our century, in the form of: 'people of color are worth less'. The result is you remove all incentive to rise above poverty. It's the result of the white supremacy of the south.

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Maddog wrote:https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-california-poverty-rate-20180913-htmlstory.html

Sorry, you are wrong again. You're not taking the rate after the cost of living is factored in.  

'Yeah but', 'yeah but', 'year but'...you Republicans are inventive with your excuses.

Cost of living is an individual factor, related to overall well-being.  It is not factor that is attributable to (as opposed to associated with) the region.  Anyone can live with a higher cost of living, as long as the wages are kept equally high.  In fact, a higher standard of living is like a more lavish dinner.  You don't demean a state because it serves better meals; demean employers for not keeping up (or for taking advantage).

California is a wealthy state...perhaps more so than New York.  It is the birthplace of personal computers, program arts, shipbuilding, the Internet and wireless/telecom services, aviation manufacturers, film producers, and the San Joaquin Valley is the most productive farm belt in the nation.  The San Francisco Bay Area is second only to the Tri-state (New York, New Jersey and Connecticut) in Fortune-500 companies, and millionaires.

But janitors and gardeners have to be kept up.  The problem is not the state or region.  The problem is capitalism.  That's an age old problem, which will be remedied when the people realize that the god of profit is not better than the god of humanity.

By comparison, the southern states have the workshop mentality from the start.  The wage disparity in the south doesn't happen by fate, but by intention.  The old cash-cropping mentality carries on into our century, in the form of: 'people of color are worth less'.  The result is you remove all incentive to rise above poverty.  It's the result of the white supremacy of the south.


Yeah but I was right and I can post articles from California papers all day proving as much.

Once again, California has the highest poverty rate and only a damn fool wants to emulate their failures.

It's like the Patriots adopting the Lions methodology for building championship teams.

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'Yeah but', 'yeah but', 'year but'...you Republicans are inventive with your excuses.

Cost of living is an individual factor, related to overall well-being.  It is not factor that is attributable to (as opposed to associated with) the region.  Anyone can live with a higher cost of living, as long as the wages are kept equally high.  In fact, a higher standard of living is like a more lavish dinner.  You don't demean a state because it serves better meals; demean employers for not keeping up (or for taking advantage).

California is a wealthy state...perhaps more so than New York.  It is the birthplace of personal computers, program arts, shipbuilding, the Internet and wireless/telecom services, aviation manufacturers, film producers, and the San Joaquin Valley is the most productive farm belt in the nation.  The San Francisco Bay Area is second only to the Tri-state (New York, New Jersey and Connecticut) in Fortune-500 companies, and millionaires.

But janitors and gardeners have to be kept up.  The problem is not the state or region.  The problem is capitalism.  That's an age old problem, which will be remedied when the people realize that the god of profit is not better than the god of humanity.

By comparison, the southern states have the workshop mentality from the start.  The wage disparity in the south doesn't happen by fate, but by intention.  The old cash-cropping mentality carries on into our century, in the form of: 'people of color are worth less'.  The result is you remove all incentive to rise above poverty.  It's the result of the white supremacy of the south.


Yeah but I was right and I can post articles from California papers all day proving as much.  

Once again, California has the highest poverty rate and only a damn fool wants to emulate their failures.  

It's like the Patriots adopting the Lions methodology for building championship teams.  

What were you right about?  That California is a bountiful place, that everybody is rich and privileged there, but some are more rich and privileged than others?

We've got to work on that glitch, eh?   Cool

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Yeah but I was right and I can post articles from California papers all day proving as much.  

Once again, California has the highest poverty rate and only a damn fool wants to emulate their failures.  

It's like the Patriots adopting the Lions methodology for building championship teams.  

What were you right about?  That California is a bountiful place, that everybody is rich and privileged there, but some are more rich and privileged than others?

We've got to work on that glitch, eh?   Cool

That they had the highest rate of poverty.

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What were you right about?  That California is a bountiful place, that everybody is rich and privileged there, but some are more rich and privileged than others?

We've got to work on that glitch, eh?   Cool

That they had the highest rate of poverty.  

Meh...they also have the highest rate of prosperity.

Why do you think the immigrants flocked to America, where the streets were paved with gold?  They didn't own those streets,  But they knew there was prosperity around somewhere.  Twisted Evil

Texas needs to dig out of its racist, white supremacy past before they graduate to such a measure. They can only do that if they shuck the caste system, and that comes about when the underlings become the rulers.

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That they had the highest rate of poverty.  

Meh...they also have the highest rate of prosperity.

Why do you think the immigrants flocked to America, where the streets were paved with gold?  They didn't own those streets,  But they knew there was prosperity around somewhere.  Twisted Evil

Texas needs to dig out of its racist, white supremacy past before they graduate to such a measure.  They can only do that if they shuck the caste system, and that comes about when the underlings become the rulers.

Texas needs less folks from your state moving here. I mean I cant blame them, but it's getting ridiculous.

Get them to stick around and fix their own fucked up state.

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Meh...they also have the highest rate of prosperity.

Why do you think the immigrants flocked to America, where the streets were paved with gold?  They didn't own those streets,  But they knew there was prosperity around somewhere.  Twisted Evil

Texas needs to dig out of its racist, white supremacy past before they graduate to such a measure.  They can only do that if they shuck the caste system, and that comes about when the underlings become the rulers.

Texas needs less folks from your state moving here. I mean I cant blame them, but it's getting ridiculous.

Get them to stick around and fix their own fucked up state.  

No...let's stick to the point. What the entire south needs is new mind-set.

The cash-cropping economics, with slaves to do your work for you, creates a ruling class that is stunningly lazy. Oh, they are famous for tough talk, and how they are going to shoot anyone who tries to take their white hood and firearm. But they ain't tough. Look to real productivity...the southern states are the biggest losers, economically, in the nation. It comes from the lack of a steely preparation as the region moves from farming to heavier stuff. And your real workers of the south--people of color--don't want to pick up the burden because after they polish it a bit, white folks will only come along and take it away from them. Jim Crow laws; segregation; gerrymandering; voter suppression; separate but equal; the list goes on of how y'all are going to screw the black and brown man.

The south is a loser's armpit. That is true for economics, too. Whites can't do the job, and blacks don't want to pick up the load for them. Hence, the rank poverty of the place.

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Texas needs less folks from your state moving here. I mean I cant blame them, but it's getting ridiculous.

Get them to stick around and fix their own fucked up state.  

No...let's stick to the point.  What the entire south needs is new mind-set.

The cash-cropping economics, with slaves to do your work for you, creates a ruling class that is stunningly lazy.  Oh, they are famous for tough talk, and how they are going to shoot anyone who tries to take their white hood and firearm.  But they ain't tough.  Look to real productivity...the southern states are the biggest losers, economically, in the nation.  It comes from the lack of a steely preparation as the region moves from farming to heavier stuff.  And your real workers of the south--people of color--don't want to pick up the burden because after they polish it a bit, white folks will only come along and take it away from them.  Jim Crow laws; segregation; gerrymandering; voter suppression; separate but equal; the list goes on of how y'all are going to screw the black and brown man.

The south is a loser's armpit.  That is true for economics, too.  Whites can't do the job, and blacks don't want to pick up the load for them.  Hence, the rank poverty of the place.

Why does your daughter live here again? Don't they have a job for her in the Golden State?

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No...let's stick to the point.  What the entire south needs is new mind-set.

The cash-cropping economics, with slaves to do your work for you, creates a ruling class that is stunningly lazy.  Oh, they are famous for tough talk, and how they are going to shoot anyone who tries to take their white hood and firearm.  But they ain't tough.  Look to real productivity...the southern states are the biggest losers, economically, in the nation.  It comes from the lack of a steely preparation as the region moves from farming to heavier stuff.  And your real workers of the south--people of color--don't want to pick up the burden because after they polish it a bit, white folks will only come along and take it away from them.  Jim Crow laws; segregation; gerrymandering; voter suppression; separate but equal; the list goes on of how y'all are going to screw the black and brown man.

The south is a loser's armpit.  That is true for economics, too.  Whites can't do the job, and blacks don't want to pick up the load for them.  Hence, the rank poverty of the place.

Why does your daughter live here again? Don't they have a job for her in the Golden State?

Whataboutism again? Whatabout your daughter?

She doesn't work there. She lives there. Her money came from other parts...places more responsible and industrious.

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Why does your daughter live here again? Don't they have a job for her in the Golden State?

Whataboutism again?  Whatabout your daughter?

She doesn't work there.  She lives there.  Her money came from other parts...places more responsible and industrious.

All 3 of my daughter's work and live here. The economy is great. No wonder your daughter lives here too.

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Whataboutism again?  Whatabout your daughter?

She doesn't work there.  She lives there.  Her money came from other parts...places more responsible and industrious.

All 3 of my daughter's work and live here.  The economy is great.  No wonder your daughter lives here too.  

Yes, Texas and Virginia are low on the poverty list.  It needs some study, but my first hypothesis is that they are border states and enjoy the influence of non-racist neighbors.  At the edges culture tends to rub off on one another, and that's to be expected.  We've already discussed how Cincinnati is essentially a southern city, although located in Ohio...the same is true in reverse.

Dallas/Ft. Worth are modern cities, and through interaction, enjoy the influence of their neighbors up north. And El Paso, on the fringe, is every bit a clean, northern city.  I have a grandson--graduate of the University of Arkansas--married to a lawyer, Texas A&M School of Law--and he works in the financial markets of Dallas.  So I am familiar with business codes in those cities.

But Houston?  Remember Enron?  I would suggest, that code is a subliminal lack of ethics, which comports with the reasons why southerners don't fit with modern, industrial and mercantile practices.  Southerners are grifters, and can't rise above it.  Is Texas flipping? 2190311264

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All 3 of my daughter's work and live here.  The economy is great.  No wonder your daughter lives here too.  

Yes, Texas and Virginia are low on the poverty list.  It needs some study, but my first hypothesis is that they are border states and enjoy the influence of non-racist neighbors.  At the edges culture tends to rub off on one another, and that's to be expected.  We've already discussed how Cincinnati is essentially a southern city, although located in Ohio...the same is true in reverse.

Dallas/Ft. Worth are modern cities, and through interaction, enjoy the influence of their neighbors up north.  And El Paso, on the fringe, is every bit a clean, northern city.  I have a grandson--graduate of the University of Arkansas--married to a lawyer, Texas A&M School of Law--and he works in the financial markets of Dallas.  So I am familiar with business codes in those cities.

But Houston?  Remember Enron?  I would suggest, that code is a subliminal lack of ethics, which comports with the reasons why southerners don't fit with modern, industrial and mercantile practices.  Southerners are grifters, and can't rise above it.  Is Texas flipping? 2190311264

Yeah, Texas is doing great because it contiguous with Oklahoma. Rolling Eyes

But at least we agree it doing great, which makes flipping it to be like less great places, a silly idea.

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Yes, Texas and Virginia are low on the poverty list.  It needs some study, but my first hypothesis is that they are border states and enjoy the influence of non-racist neighbors.  At the edges culture tends to rub off on one another, and that's to be expected.  We've already discussed how Cincinnati is essentially a southern city, although located in Ohio...the same is true in reverse.

Dallas/Ft. Worth are modern cities, and through interaction, enjoy the influence of their neighbors up north.  And El Paso, on the fringe, is every bit a clean, northern city.  I have a grandson--graduate of the University of Arkansas--married to a lawyer, Texas A&M School of Law--and he works in the financial markets of Dallas.  So I am familiar with business codes in those cities.

But Houston?  Remember Enron?  I would suggest, that code is a subliminal lack of ethics, which comports with the reasons why southerners don't fit with modern, industrial and mercantile practices.  Southerners are grifters, and can't rise above it.  Is Texas flipping? 2190311264

Yeah, Texas is doing great because it contiguous with Oklahoma. Rolling Eyes

No, look to the west my friend.  Use El Paso as the model.  Arizona--a conservative state, but not a racist one--is presently enjoying the economic company of Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco.  And California is the 5th largest economy in the world.

That's a world that the south is just left out of.  The south has a culture of grifters, and they don't fit.

Maddog wrote:But at least we agree it doing great, which makes flipping it to be like less great places, a silly idea.  

Reality is in the population, dude.  The population, not wealth, means votes, and votes are about to change in Texas.

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Yeah, Texas is doing great because it contiguous with Oklahoma. Rolling Eyes

No, look to the west my friend.  Use El Paso as the model.  Arizona--a conservative state, but not a racist one--is presently enjoying the economic company of Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco.  And California is the 5th largest economy in the world.

That's a world that the south is just left out of.  The south has a culture of grifters, and they don't fit.

Maddog wrote:But at least we agree it doing great, which makes flipping it to be like less great places, a silly idea.  

Reality is in the population, dude.  The population, not wealth, means votes, and votes are about to change in Texas.

I'm closer to Chicago than Arizona.

Do you ever get tired of just typing shit?

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No, look to the west my friend.  Use El Paso as the model.  Arizona--a conservative state, but not a racist one--is presently enjoying the economic company of Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco.  And California is the 5th largest economy in the world.

That's a world that the south is just left out of.  The south has a culture of grifters, and they don't fit.



Reality is in the population, dude.  The population, not wealth, means votes, and votes are about to change in Texas.

I'm closer to Chicago than Arizona.

Do you ever get tired of just typing shit?

Go ride your bike or something.

Are you suggesting that I write shit?  You are much closer than I...you and your life stand for guns, racism, law-breaking and, I don't know, you sound like a motorcycle gang leader.  Wink

BTW...Illinois is OK too.  Just get out of the racist south...and, I guess, take some Redneck-anger management classes.  They have junior colleges in Chicago. too.  Twisted Evil

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I'm closer to Chicago than Arizona.

Do you ever get tired of just typing shit?

Go ride your bike or something.

Are you suggesting that I write shit?  You are much closer than I...you and your life stand for guns, racism, law-breaking and, I don't know, you sound like a motorcycle gang leader.  Wink

BTW...Illinois is OK too.  Just get out of the racist south...and, I guess, take some Redneck-anger management classes.  They have junior colleges in Chicago. too.  Twisted Evil

I prefer living in the same area as your daughter and grandson. Seems like you have some bright offspring. A trait passed down from their mother no doubt.

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Are you suggesting that I write shit?  You are much closer than I...you and your life stand for guns, racism, law-breaking and, I don't know, you sound like a motorcycle gang leader.  Wink

BTW...Illinois is OK too.  Just get out of the racist south...and, I guess, take some Redneck-anger management classes.  They have junior colleges in Chicago. too.  Twisted Evil

I prefer living in the same area as your daughter and grandson. Seems like you have some bright offspring.  A trait passed down from their mother no doubt.  

Could be. Mother had a PhD from Rutgers University as well. She's a wonderful woman, and a bright star with the US State Department. I would concede to her genes anytime.

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