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Post by Andy on Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:20 pm

So we are all going to read about what Boris and his ERG Brexiteers were so keen to keep under wraps.
This isn't going to end well for Boris, who swapped his crap bridge hand for an appalling hand.
Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/live-johnson-meets-irish-pm-ahead-of-second-push-for-snap-general-election-11805412?inApp=true

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:46 pm

Do you mean that the Tory government should be open and honest and reveal all about confidential advice concerning international negotiations like, er, the open, honest and revealing Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell over the "sexing up" at US behest of the Iraq weapons of mass destruction issue?

And before you start the usual pathetic wailing about your post being about the evil Tories and not your saintly Labour Party, (a) such case studies and comparisons are perfectly relevant and valid in an open debate and (b) neither you nor anyone else here will get away with trying to suppress my opinions.

If this law is passed, what legal justification would there be in future in a theoretical Corbyn government being compelled to disclose the full details of policy demands and the reasons for them being made by  Labour's controlling Momentum faction or the confidential advice to Corbyn given by Seamus Milne?
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Post by Andy on Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:55 pm

The report WILL be published, one way or another. Westminster is a very leaky place at present, your chum Boris sounded a beaten man in Eire this morning.
When it is published, we will all see what a shitstorm a no deal Brexit would be.
Curiously , Boris alluded to that very thing this morning, actually finally admitting a deal would be far superior to a no deal, as the consequences of a no deal would be catastrophic. I suspect he is now admitting that before publication so that he can (legitimately) say he took heed of the report his own specialists compiled

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:03 am

I didn't ask whether the report would be published; I asked you direct question in relation to the possible impact of any new law requiring the revelation of confidential advice made to government ministers by their advisers -  Momentum officials or Seamus Milne to Prime Minister Corbyn, for example.

It's a good job I wasn't holding my breath...or is it that you couldn't produce one of your responses in what you evidently believe passes for rhyme?
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Post by nicko on Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:13 pm

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:10 am

But but but but but Blairdiddit!

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:26 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:But but but but but Blairdiddit!

I'm assuming that is directed at me...and it is not what I am saying at all.

The point that I am making is that Andy appears to have taken on the role of the Labour Party's self-appointed spokesman and propagandist and is spamming - yes, in my opinion spamming - every single presumed misdeed of the Johnson administration in furtherance of his cause.

I'm not unhappy with that per se, but I really do think that for the benefit of those whose memory of the Governance of Britain (to quote the title of 1960s and 70s Labour PM Harold Wilson's book, of which I have a signed copy) do not go back as far as mine, I believe it to be perfectly fair and reasonable to recall that every government in a thousand years of our parliamentary history has used every device open to them in order to get its way - and that not all have been based on the good of ordinary people. I quoted two recent and famous examples which Andy and his like would prefer us all to forget.

I'm amazed, for example, that Andy was not crowing over the Edinburgh Court of Session's declaration this morning that the proroguation of Parliament by Johnson was unlawful. Had he done so I would have pointed out that the High Court in London, which has equal if not superior status, had previously thrown out an associated action taken in the name of businesswoman Gina Miller, and that the matter had rightly been referred for determination by the Supreme Court of the UK next Tuesday.

The word Supreme is relevant if, to vociferous Remainers, inconvenient.

I happen to believe that the proroguation was absolutely wrong, even though I do support Brexit. But that's, of course, because I do at least try to look at things from both sides and present what I believe are my considered opinions rather than some unthinking partisan nonsense based largely on silly limericks and gratuitous insults against anyone in this place who does not share his own political values and beliefs.
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Post by Andy on Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:45 pm

Poor Fred thinks I frequently spam
But what he says is a sham
He delights in my rhymes
And without them he pines
And they make Rambo shut up like a clam .


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Post by Andy on Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:47 pm

And I was busy working this morning.

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Post by nicko on Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:28 pm

You don't shut me up Bigot , it would take a man to do that and your all mouth !
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:42 pm

Andy wrote:Poor Fred thinks I frequently spam
But what he says is a sham
He delights in my rhymes
And without them he pines
And they make Rambo shut up like a clam .


I like that one. alien  Your meter has improved.  cheers

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:02 pm

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Andy wrote:Poor Fred thinks I frequently spam
But what he says is a sham
He delights in my rhymes
And without them he pines
And they make Rambo shut up like a clam .


I like that one.   alien   Your meter has improved.  cheers

It certainly needed some improvement. Maybe's he's been learning from elsewhere.

Meanwhile, I can't remember the last occasion on which I woke up in the morning thinking "My God, I pine for one of Andy's limericks" (I was probably feeling suicidal at the time and was desperate for a further excuse) and I think it would take rather more than tedious Labour Party propaganda to shut the splendid Nicko up like a gently closing door wafted by a summer breeze, let alone a clam!
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:11 pm

Fred M. wrote:Meanwhile, I can't remember the last occasion on which I woke up in the morning thinking "My God, I pine for one of Andy's limericks" (I was probably feeling suicidal at the time and was desperate for a further excuse) and I think it would take rather more than tedious Labour Party propaganda to shut the splendid Nicko up like a gently closing door wafted by a summer breeze, let alone a clam!

Very colorful writing. Unfortunately, flood control limits me from giving another greenie. Yellowhammer 2190311264

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Post by Andy on Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:35 pm

Government has just released the Operation Yellowhammer report.
If we leave on a no-deal, it is going to be an absolute fucking disaster.
No wonder Boris, Moggy and his cronies were so keen to cover it  up.

https://mol.im/a/7453605

http://news.sky.com/story/operation-yellowhammer-government-no-deal-brexit-documents-released-11807339

Brexit: government publishes Operation Yellowhammer documents – live news




https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/sep/11/brexit-latest-news-public-would-not-benefit-from-hearing-official-worst-case-no-deal-assumptions-says-leadsom-live-news?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1176823/Yellowhammer-report-latest-Brexit-no-deal-Brexit-plan-Boris-Johnson-release-documents

Meanwhile, The Scum makes no mention of it, but reports Buxom Katie Price may lose her mansion. She has already lost 16 fianceés, 4 kids, and her looks.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:23 pm




This is all a load of bullshit!!!


The UK will have complete control on UK borders after BREXIT... and it is up to us how quickly or slowly we allow freight into our country...!


There is no reason for any legitimate freight to be delayed entry to the uk after we leave the EU...!!!


PROJECT FEAR IS IN HYSTERICAL OVERDRIVE NOW AS WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO ACTUALLY LEAVING THE EU!!!

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:29 pm

Andy wrote:Government has just released the Operation Yellowhammer report.
If we leave on a no-deal, it is going to be an absolute fucking disaster.
No wonder Boris, Moggy and his cronies were so keen to cover it  up.

https://mol.im/a/7453605

http://news.sky.com/story/operation-yellowhammer-government-no-deal-brexit-documents-released-11807339

Brexit: government publishes Operation Yellowhammer documents – live news

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/sep/11/brexit-latest-news-public-would-not-benefit-from-hearing-official-worst-case-no-deal-assumptions-says-leadsom-live-news?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1176823/Yellowhammer-report-latest-Brexit-no-deal-Brexit-plan-Boris-Johnson-release-documents

Meanwhile, The Scum makes no mention of it, but reports Buxom Katie Price may lose her mansion.  She has already lost 16 fianceés, 4 kids, and her looks.

That's precisely why tommy is full of shiet. Sure the PM's signed on to honor the BREXIT referendum, but they didn't state the terms of their compliance. Hence, now they cannot find any agreement and we've gone through three different PM's.

Saw it coming when the leavers abandoned the cause and fled.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:41 pm

Leave won... MPs promised to deliver Brexit... but too many of them are weasels who are working to stop brexit instead...


They will be removed from their current positions of power come the next general election...



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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Leave won... MPs promised to deliver Brexit... but too many of them are weasels who are working to stop brexit instead...

Aha...but they never said under what conditions. That's the fight you are now having, and it appears y'all can't come to an agreement. Bad luck.


Tommy Monk wrote:They will be removed from their current positions of power come the next general election...

You hope. Problem is, Labour, Libs and the Tories, together or separately, can't put Humpty-Dumpty back together again.

Tell me, tommy. Who are you going to vote against? Labour, Libs or the Tories? I know you don't have the patience or the resources to sift through the mp's one-by-one. Besides, which plan, program or combination would you accept...which would you reject? And you only have one vote. Rolling Eyes Imagine the calculation for all the voters.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:14 pm



You idiot... try reading the rules of article 50...


The 2 years is up... clearly says we revert to WTO trade terms after 2 years...


And the repeal of the European communities act 1972 is also required.



17.4 million people are ready to vote for the Brexit party in the coming gen elec...


Current and recent govts have been elected with only around 10 million votes...


The current lot of weasels will be given a complete drubbing when election time comes!!!



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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:19 pm

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You idiot... try reading the rules of article 50...


The 2 years is up... clearly says we revert to WTO trade terms after 2 years...

And the repeal of the European communities act 1972 is also required.

17.4 million people are ready to vote for the Brexit party in the coming gen elec...

Current and recent govts have been elected with only around 10 million votes...

The current lot of weasels will be given a complete drubbing when election time comes!!!

By whom? The electorate cannot come to agreement, any more than the specialists...who are more familiar with the issues. When you lost your army, you also lost your brains.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:21 pm

17.4 million voted to leave!


Leave means leave!!!


Your so called 'specialists' are full of shit...

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Post by eddie on Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:28 pm

I do agree with Tommy in this. A vote to leave means you leave.

End of.

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eddie wrote:I do agree with Tommy in this. A vote to leave means you leave.

End of.

Under what conditions?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:43 pm

WTO trade terms is what the law says...



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Tommy Monk wrote:WTO trade terms is what the law says...

WTF is that? What do WTO terms say about tariffs?

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Quill... you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about...!



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Quill... you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about...!

Good excuse, tommy. But it won't do. What are your people going to do about trade barriers, which you can surely expect?

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Go away quill... you don't have a clue what you're going on about you idiot!

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Post by nicko on Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:27 am

Trade barriers can be used both ways as well as Tariffs !
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nicko wrote:Trade barriers can be used both ways as well as Tariffs !

Well, certainly so. But then it depends on who has the greater need, Great Britain or Europe. Who can do without the other more easily?

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Go away quill... you don't have a clue what you're going on about you idiot!

You wish. You're just trying to run away from the discussion yourself.

You're losing this debate, tommy. And the more complex it gets, the worse it looks for you. Experts told you this day would come...that if you reject agreements of cooperation, you will get no cooperation yourself.

GB once had an Empire that allowed you to display such arrogance. But no more. However, the ignorant among you are still believing in the mentality of the bygone age, and that can be very dangerous. GO IT ALONE makes you look like the strong, self-reliant type now, but eventually it gets cold and lonely out there. You are a little, tiny island out in the Atlantic, that has been overwhelmed by super powers and super economies.

The EU tried to approach this dilemma intelligently, by forming a protective cartel. But you and your ilk, tommy, with too much pride, and the empire-attitude of a bygone age, have placed your country outside of the protection zone. Those mp's that you criticize are merely seeing the writing on the wall...soon, you will feel it for real.

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Post by nicko on Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:15 pm

Bullshit !!!!
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nicko wrote:Bullshit !!!!

Spoken like a loser. Rolling Eyes

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Post by nicko on Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:28 pm

Prove it !
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nicko wrote:Prove it !

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:20 pm




We can trade with the EU without being in the EU... and without being run by the EU...!!!







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Post by Original Quill on Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:56 am

Tommy Monk wrote:


We can trade with the EU without being in the EU... and without being run by the EU...!!!

At a cost.


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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:24 am

Yellowhammer 1399249160

Herr Farage's 'endgame' has apparently always been to further destabilse Britain's economy...

And a more stressed and unstable economy naturally leads to more unstable stockmarkets and financial markets..

Allowing ever increasing opportunities for Farage and his moneyed-up chums to profit immensely by "buying low and selling high".

And Tommy really believes that Herr Nige' is his last 'great white hope' ?

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Post by nicko on Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:08 am

You geranium !
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Post by Eilzel on Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:38 am

nicko wrote:You geranium !

Ring a bit too true, does it, nicko? Laughing

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:24 am

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


We can trade with the EU without being in the EU... and without being run by the EU...!!!

At a cost.



No... it costs us more now, being in the EU...


Also... restoring democracy is priceless!



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Post by nicko on Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:30 am

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:40 pm

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Original Quill wrote:

At a cost.


No... it costs us more now, being in the EU...

Also... restoring democracy is priceless!

Well, you do what your want with your country. The water is already up to the gunnels. I'll just sit back and watch the drama of a sinking ship. Laughing

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:11 pm

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No... it costs us more now, being in the EU...

Also... restoring democracy is priceless!

Well, you do what your want with your country.  The water is already up to the gunnels.  I'll just sit back and watch the drama of a sinking ship.  Laughing

Quill, I will simply ask you this: Are you, as a citizen of the United States of America, looking forward to the day when you and your fellow like-minded citizens can vote for the Democrats and maybe consign Donald Trump to history?

If so consider my democratic right as a citizen (unwilling) of what within the next few years will be the United States of Europe....

My President, at the moment, is some bloke called Jean Claude Juncker who, if memory serves me right, was formerly Prime Minister of some funny little Grand Duchy tucked away in an obscure corner of Europe and which has an economy half the size of England's second city, Birmingham.

He will soon be replaced in the EU's time-honoured fashion - secret deliberations by a self-perpetuating and unelected clique of bureaucrats - by some German woman called Ursula Von der Leyden...of whom hardly anyone has previously heard.

She will, effectively, be my President.

Did I elect her? No

Did I have an opportunity of electing her? No.

Can I vote her out of office if she turns out to be as big a tosspot as the current clown who holds that office? No.

At least you lot over the pond were given the choice of choosing your President in a democratic election. I wasn't.

And you wonder why there is so much hatred for the EU ( an institution so corrupt that its accounts haven't been signed off by its own auditors for well over a decade) among the citizens of this country?

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:35 pm

Fred M. wrote:Quill, I will simply ask you this: Are you, as a citizen of the United States of America, looking forward to the day when you and your fellow like-minded citizens can vote for the Democrats and maybe consign Donald Trump to history?

I'm not really sure I'm a Democrat anymore, Fred.  I once said the Republicans moved out from under me, and now I'm feeling that the Democrats are doing the same.

Whomever is elected by the Democrats, if they don't land Trump in prison, I'm starting a new party.  So far, Democrats are the greatest 'do-nothing' party I've seen.

If you don't have the conviction to enforce the laws on the books, then you are not a nation of law & order.  Obama started it, letting Cheney slide.  Now Pelosi is doing everything that avoids moving toward impeachment or restoration of the prior establishment order.

That kind of lack of courage is not something that I want to be associated with.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:50 pm

Quill... try answering moleys question...!?



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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:03 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Quill... try answering moleys question...!?



He did ...

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Fred M. wrote:Quill, I will simply ask you this: Are you, as a citizen of the United States of America, looking forward to the day when you and your fellow like-minded citizens can vote for the Democrats and maybe consign Donald Trump to history?

I'm not really sure I'm a Democrat anymore, Fred.  I once said the Republicans moved out from under me, and now I'm feeling that the Democrats are doing the same.

Whomever is elected by the Democrats, if they don't land Trump in prison, I'm starting a new party.  So far, Democrats are the greatest 'do-nothing' party I've seen.

If you don't have the conviction to enforce the laws on the books, then you are not a nation of law & order.  Obama started it, letting Cheney slide.  Now Pelosi is doing everything that avoids moving toward impeachment or restoration of the prior establishment order.

That kind of lack of courage is not something that I want to be associated with.

You’re not sure you’re a democrat? Good. Perhaps you will be more open to everything else now you are ready to take your label off.
Doesn’t mean you’ll not have the same values but perhaps you can stand back and really look with an unbiased eye.

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I'm not really sure I'm a Democrat anymore, Fred.  I once said the Republicans moved out from under me, and now I'm feeling that the Democrats are doing the same.

Whomever is elected by the Democrats, if they don't land Trump in prison, I'm starting a new party.  So far, Democrats are the greatest 'do-nothing' party I've seen.

If you don't have the conviction to enforce the laws on the books, then you are not a nation of law & order.  Obama started it, letting Cheney slide.  Now Pelosi is doing everything that avoids moving toward impeachment or restoration of the prior establishment order.

That kind of lack of courage is not something that I want to be associated with.

You’re not sure you’re a democrat? Good. Perhaps you will be more open to everything else now you are ready to take your label off.
Doesn’t mean you’ll not have the same values but perhaps you can stand back and really look with an unbiased eye.

You misanticipate me.  I'm not going to the right.  I'm just disgusted with Republican criminals, and dissembling and dithering Democrats.

There is no such thing as an unbiased eye; there is only playing by adversarial rules...or civil war. As Ben mentioned, the laws are no more. There go the rules. Recall I mentioned starting "a new party"?

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