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Post by phildidge on Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:40 pm

Human brains aren’t built for self-rule, says Shawn Rosenberg. That’s more evident than ever.

Everything was unfolding as it usually does. The academics who gathered in Lisbon this summer for the International Society of Political Psychologists’ annual meeting had been politely listening for four days, nodding along as their peers took to the podium and delivered papers on everything from the explosion in conspiracy theories to the rise of authoritarianism.

Then, the mood changed. As one of the lions of the profession, 68-year-old Shawn Rosenberg, began delivering his paper, people in the crowd of about a hundred started shifting in their seats. They loudly whispered objections to their friends. Three women seated next to me near the back row grew so loud and heated I had difficulty hearing for a moment what Rosenberg was saying.

What caused the stir? Rosenberg, a professor at UC Irvine, was challenging a core assumption about America and the West. His theory? Democracy is devouring itself—his phrase — and it won’t last.

As much as President Donald Trump’s liberal critics might want to lay America’s ills at his door, Rosenberg says the president is not the cause of democracy’s fall—even if Trump’s successful anti-immigrant populist campaign may have been a symptom of democracy’s decline.

We’re to blame, said Rosenberg. As in “we the people.”


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/08/shawn-rosenberg-democracy-228045

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:45 am

Arrow

"Democracy" isn't necessarily doomed...

The "democratic" (dis)United States of Aymerika in its current bloated and over-exploitive corporatist oligarchic state is though..

It is already on a downhill slide, like that ancient image of the snake consuming its own tail, we are possibly now seeing the inevitable self-immolation of the old model USA, in parallel with the economic rise of China, India and Europe..

How long now until we see the eventual breakup of the (d)USA into 3, 4 or 5 smaller entities --  and probably with more true 'democracy' than what they have now  ?

Herr Rosenberg needs to realise that a crumbling USA is no longer the sole economic power in his universe, and is far from being a good model of democracy in action, in its current state..

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Post by nicko on Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:07 am

Wolfie, have you noticed China moving in on your country ?
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:22 am

I wonder whether anyone here regards the embryonic United States of Europe, with its unelected President, de facto Foreign Minister and governmental executive all unelected and selected secretly and mysteriously by a self-perpetuating cartel?
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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:12 pm

I'm interested in the paragraph right after the last one copied for the OP:

Democracy is hard work. And as society’s “elites”—experts and public figures who help those around them navigate the heavy responsibilities that come with self-rule—have increasingly been sidelined, citizens have proved ill equipped cognitively and emotionally to run a well-functioning democracy. As a consequence, the center has collapsed and millions of frustrated and angst-filled voters have turned in desperation to right-wing populists.

And I feel a rant coming on ...

The reason we have specialized professions is to allow people to focus on a complicated subject and become experts in their field. That way, when we get sick, we can go to someone who does nothing but treat sick people. When an airplane needs maintenance, we don't have to go to that guy we know who's handy with tools -- we can instead pay people to spend lots of time learning how to repair airplanes.

Likewise, there are people out there who know a lot more than the average person about how democracy is supposed to work. Politicians, pundits, etc.

But now, more and more people are thumbing their noses at the experts, and as the article states, this hurts democracy as much as Christian Scientists hurt their families when they reject treatment from medical professionals.

It's very fashionable these days to deride expertise and the so-called elite, but it's not very helpful or smart.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:45 am

Ben Reilly wrote:I'm interested in the paragraph right after the last one copied for the OP:

Democracy is hard work. And as society’s “elites”—experts and public figures who help those around them navigate the heavy responsibilities that come with self-rule—have increasingly been sidelined, citizens have proved ill equipped cognitively and emotionally to run a well-functioning democracy. As a consequence, the center has collapsed and millions of frustrated and angst-filled voters have turned in desperation to right-wing populists.

And I feel a rant coming on ...

The reason we have specialized professions is to allow people to focus on a complicated subject and become experts in their field. That way, when we get sick, we can go to someone who does nothing but treat sick people. When an airplane needs maintenance, we don't have to go to that guy we know who's handy with tools -- we can instead pay people to spend lots of time learning how to repair airplanes.

Likewise, there are people out there who know a lot more than the average person about how democracy is supposed to work. Politicians, pundits, etc.

But now, more and more people are thumbing their noses at the experts, and as the article states, this hurts democracy as much as Christian Scientists hurt their families when they reject treatment from medical professionals.

It's very fashionable these days to deride expertise and the so-called elite, but it's not very helpful or smart.

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Hear,  hear  !!!

And now, let's see the usual conservative whiners on here attempt to blame those despicable "Marxists" from British Labour, the Greens and the American Democrats alone for this decline, rather than 'the system' and societies as a whole..

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