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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:21 pm

WGBH wrote:Israel Bans Two U.S. Congresswomen From Visiting The Country Based On Their Views Of Palestine

By Ilan Ben Zion | Associated Press
August 15, 2019

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s prime minister and other top officials were meeting on Thursday to reevaluate the decision to allow two Democratic congresswomen who support the Palestinian-led boycott movement to enter the country next week. Reports say officials have decided to bar two U.S. Congresswomen from visiting the country.

An Israeli official said they were meeting about an upcoming visit by Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan. The newly-elected Muslim members of Congress are outspoken critics of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Tlaib’s family immigrated to the United States from the West Bank.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with regulations, said “there is a possibility that Israel will not allow the visit in its current proposed format.”

While Israeli officials weighed the issue, President Donald Trump tweeted that “it would show great weakness” if Israel allowed them to visit. “They hate Israel & all Jewish people, & there is nothing that can be said or done to change their minds,” the president wrote Thursday, calling the two congresswomen “a disgrace.”

Israel has sought to combat the so-called BDS movement, which advocates boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israeli businesses, universities and cultural institutions. The country passed a law permitting a ban on entry to any activist who “knowingly issues a call for boycotting Israel.”

Supporters of the boycott movement say it is a non-violent way to protest Israeli policies and call for Palestinian rights. Critics say the movement aims to erase Israel and replace it with a single binational state.

Israel often hosts delegations of U.S. representatives and senators, who usually meet with senior Israeli officials as well as Palestinian officials in the occupied West Bank. Last month, Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Ron Dermer said Israel would not deny entry to any member of Congress.

A decision to ban the congresswomen could further sharpen divisions among U.S. Democrats over Israel ahead of the 2020 elections. Republicans have amplified the views of left-wing Democrats like Tlaib and Omar to present the party as deeply divided and at odds with Israel. Democratic leaders have pushed back, reiterating the party’s strong support for Israel, in part to protect representatives from more conservative districts.

In July, the Democratic-led House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly in favor of a resolution against the BDS movement.

Tlaib and Omar have also been the target of repeated attacks by President Donald Trump in recent months, including a series of racist tweets on July 14 in which he said they should “go back” to the “broken” countries they came from. Both are U.S. citizens and Tlaib was born in the United States. The two are members of the so-called “Squad” of newly-elected left-wing Democrats, along with Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts.

Politicians and former diplomats spoke out against barring the congresswomen from visiting following an unconfirmed report that Israel had resolved to bar Omar and Tlaib from entering the country.

Former U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro wrote on Twitter that the decision to bar their entry “harms Israel’s standing in the U.S., boosts BDS.”

Israeli lawmaker Ayman Odeh, leader of the Joint List of Arab parties, criticized the move, writing that “Israel has always banned Palestinians from their land and separated us from other Palestinians, but this time the Palestinian is a U.S. Congresswoman.”

Arthur Lenk, formerly Israel’s ambassador to South Africa, said barring Omar and Tlaib “would be sinking us deeper into U.S. domestic political quagmire.”

https://www.wgbh.org/news/international-news/2019/08/15/israel-bans-two-us-congresswomen-from-visiting-the-country-based-on-their-views-of-palestine

The Democratically controlled Congress is considering options in response. They are in a position to defund any aid to Israel by the United States, by simply declining to pass any budget that contains support for Israel. In addition, since the courts have approved cutting off travel from certain states, they might consider cutting off all travel to/from Israel.

For now, senior Democratic members of Congress are considering legislative action against Ron Dermer, Israel’s ambassador to Washington, and David Friedman, the U.S. ambassador to Israel, according to McClatchy.

Watch this space...

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Post by nicko on Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:00 pm

Why should Israel let in two Hammas supporters who spend their time dissing them ?
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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:12 pm

nicko wrote:Why should Israel let in two Hammas supporters who spend their time dissing them ?

Indeed...and why should the US Congress grant support to Israel in excess of $138 billion per annum?

Leave Israel alone, I says....all alone!!!  Wink

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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:41 pm

Omar and Tliab: "We're going to Israel."

Israel: "Um.. Ok."

O&T: "We're going as guests of a terrorist sympathizing pro BDS group."

Israel: "Wait. No. You can't do that."

Tliab: "Ok. Can I go visit my grandmother?"

Israel: "Ok. Sure."

Tliab: "I'M NOT GOING, OPPRESSORS!!!"


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Tlaib is now saying that she'd rather never see her beloved grandmother again rather than accept visiting her without the right to call Israel an evil apartheid state.

Clearly, she is telling the world that doing her part to make everyone hate Israel is more important than a quiet visit with her grandmother for the last time.

For Israel haters, their hate is all consuming and more important than anything else - even their own families.

Chances are she thought Israel would not agree to let her in, which is the only reason she wrote the letter to begin with - to say that Israel was so evil and anti-Muslim that they wouldn't even let her see her old grandma one last time. When her bluff was called she showed the world what she is.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2019/08/now-rashidatlaib-says-insulting-israel.html


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phildidge wrote:Omar and Tliab: "We're going to Israel."

Israel: "Um.. Ok."

O&T: "We're going as guests of a terrorist sympathizing pro BDS group."

Israel: "Wait. No. You can't do that."

Tliab: "Ok. Can I go visit my grandmother?"

Israel: "Ok. Sure."

Tliab: "I'M NOT GOING, OPPRESSORS!!!"


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Tlaib is now saying that she'd rather never see her beloved grandmother again rather than accept visiting her without the right to call Israel an evil apartheid state.

Clearly, she is telling the world that doing her part to make everyone hate Israel is more important than a quiet visit with her grandmother for the last time.

For Israel haters, their hate is all consuming and more important than anything else - even their own families.

Chances are she thought Israel would not agree to let her in, which is the only reason she wrote the letter to begin with - to say that Israel was so evil and anti-Muslim that they wouldn't even let her see her old grandma one last time. When her bluff was called she showed the world what she is.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2019/08/now-rashidatlaib-says-insulting-israel.html



The Palestinian groups that were part of Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) canceled trip to Israel and the West Bank have a public record of openly expressing anti-Semitism, supporting the BDS movement, as well as fostering sympathy of and links to terrorist groups.

According to the itinerary released by Israel’s public broadcaster Kan, the congresswomen were scheduled to meet with people from Palestinian groups Miftah, who was also sponsoring the trip, and the Defense for Children International-Palestine (DCI-P).

“While we do not support policies that would block these U.S. lawmakers from entering, we note how they exploit their standing to partner with groups such as Miftah that promote anti-Jewish hate and advocate against peace and coexistence, as well as at least one NGO linked to the PFLP terror group, the so-called Defense for Children International-Palestine,” NGO Monitor told JNS.

https://www.jns.org/palestinian-groups-behind-omar-tlaib-canceled-trip-express-anti-semitism-links-to-terrorism/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/ilhan-omar-and-rashida-tlaib-partnered-with-vicious-anti-semites-to-plan-their-trip-to-israel/

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:44 pm

Your answer is to vilify the victims, rather than provide a real and substantial justification.

Rep. Tlaib: I would like to visit my mother.

Israel Guard: You have been very mean to us.

Rep. Tlaib:  It's my job to be critical...after all, last year we gave you $138-billion and we have nothing to show for it.

Israel Guard:  All your money can't buy your way in here.  GTF outta here!

In fact, it was Trump's call.  Trump and Netanyahu are buddies, and that means that Israel is involved in American politics.  In particular, Trump is running for a second term as president.

If Israel wants to play politics over here, welcome.  Congress is contemplating cutting off aid to Israel anyway.  Israel is receiving $138-billion from the US annually, while their leaders back one US candidate.

It is illegal for the US government to fund any players in US political campaigns.

France 24 wrote:Trump urges Israel to bar visit by US congresswomen

Jerusalem (AFP)

US President Donald Trump on Thursday called on Israel to bar a looming planned visit by two US congresswomen who have expressed support for a boycott of the Jewish state.

An Israeli government official said earlier in the day that the country may prevent the visit despite having signalled previously the congresswomen would be allowed in.

Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, who is of Palestinian origin, are expected at the weekend for a visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories.

"It would show great weakness if Israel allowed Rep. Omar and Rep. Tlaib to visit," Trump wrote on Twitter.

"They hate Israel & all Jewish people, & there is nothing that can be said or done to change their minds. Minnesota and Michigan will have a hard time putting them back in office. They are a disgrace!"

Tlaib is from Michigan and Omar from Minnesota.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu held consultations on the visit on Wednesday and a final decision is being weighed, the government official said on condition of anonymity.

"There is a possibility that Israel will not allow the visit in its current proposed format," the official said, in comments prior to Trump's tweet.

"Professional teams and legal counsel in various government ministries are continuing to examine the decision. According to Israeli law, the authority lies with the minister of the interior."

The official, however, added that "if Congresswoman Tlaib makes a humanitarian request to visit her family, the decision on her matter will be considered favourably".

In 2017, Israel passed a law banning entry to foreigners who support boycotting the country.

The law was passed in response to a movement to boycott Israel as a means to pressure the country over its treatment of the Palestinians.

Israel sees the movement as a strategic threat and accuses it of anti-Semitism -- a claim activists deny, saying they only want to see the occupation end.

Prominent Arab Israeli parliament member Ayman Odeh said: "A state that has nothing to hide would not think of preventing the arrival of two members of Congress."

"Another desperate attempt to hide the reality to the world," he wrote on Twitter.

- Outspoken Trump critics -

Both Omar and Tlaib have been critical of Israel's occupation of the West Bank and treatment of Palestinians.

The Democrats have also faced accusations of anti-Semitism, which they firmly deny.

The Israeli ambassador to the United States, Ron Dermer, had previously signalled the two congresswomen would be allowed to visit out of respect for Washington, Israel's most important ally.

But the two are also outspoken political opponents and critics of Trump, who has a close relationship with Netanyahu.

Known as "the squad," the congresswomen -- along with two other progressive congressional allies, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ayanna Pressley -- have been in Trump's crosshairs.

He has taken aim at the four in a series of xenophobic comments, telling them to "go back" where they came from and accusing them of having "love" for America's "enemies like Al-Qaeda," among other remarks.

Ocasio-Cortez, a 29-year-old of Puerto Rican ancestry, is the youngest member of the House of Representatives, while Pressley is the first African American elected to Congress from Massachusetts.

Tlaib and Omar, who fled war-torn Somalia as a child and arrived in the United States as a refugee, are the first two Muslim women elected to Congress.

Tlaib is also the first woman of Palestinian descent in Congress.

Members of Congress are regular visitors to Israel and the Palestinian territories and blocking them would be a highly unusual move.

It would occur at a time when Jewish groups in the United States have expressed concern over whether bipartisan support for Israel in Washington is eroding.

Democratic candidates for president in the United States have openly criticised Netanyahu, who is seeking re-election in Israel on September 17 after polls earlier this year failed to yield a coalition.
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Post by phildidge on Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:51 pm

JOHN AVLON: So Bari, I mean, how do you walk that line, and what's the line in particular of not normalizing lies through repetition? Because they do provide a degree of amplification, but he's President of the United States.

BARI WEISS: Right. I think a huge part of it, as you said before, is not letting Trump be the assignment editor. Right?

One of the huge stories this week was the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu decided to bar the entry of two Democratic members of Congress, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib from entering Israel. Based on Trump bullying him into that decision, he reversed course. Now, that’s a huge story, one that I wrote a column about.

But another huge story, one that has not been covered by any mainstream paper or network is the fact that their trip to Israel, or as they're calling Palestine, was being sponsored by a group that literally published neo-Nazi blood libels and said that it supported female suicide bombers. You know, hailing them as heroes. That's a scandal.

If someone like Steve King was going to Sweden or Norway and eating with neo-Nazi groups, that would be front page news. One of the questions I think we need to ask is: is the fact that Trump has lodged racist horrible attacks on these women, has that made them sort of untouchable for us to cover in an accurate way?

I think that’s one of the problems of this moment. That it's very hard to cover, sort of, complicated characters and stories like them because the President, everything he touches becomes toxic.

AVLON: And yet, that's our job.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2019/08/18/nyt-columnist-admits-media-purposely-ignoring-anti-semitism


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phildidge wrote:JOHN AVLON: So Bari, I mean, how do you walk that line, and what's the line in particular of not normalizing lies through repetition? Because they do provide a degree of amplification, but he's President of the United States.

BARI WEISS: Right. I think a huge part of it, as you said before, is not letting Trump be the assignment editor. Right?

One of the huge stories this week was the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu decided to bar the entry of two Democratic members of Congress, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib from entering Israel. Based on Trump bullying him into that decision, he reversed course. Now, that’s a huge story, one that I wrote a column about.

But another huge story, one that has not been covered by any mainstream paper or network is the fact that their trip to Israel, or as they're calling Palestine, was being sponsored by a group that literally published neo-Nazi blood libels and said that it supported female suicide bombers. You know, hailing them as heroes. That's a scandal.

If someone like Steve King was going to Sweden or Norway and eating with neo-Nazi groups, that would be front page news. One of the questions I think we need to ask is: is the fact that Trump has lodged racist horrible attacks on these women, has that made them sort of untouchable for us to cover in an accurate way?

I think that’s one of the problems of this moment. That it's very hard to cover, sort of, complicated characters and stories like them because the President, everything he touches becomes toxic.

AVLON: And yet, that's our job.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2019/08/18/nyt-columnist-admits-media-purposely-ignoring-anti-semitism


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Post by Original Quill on Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:51 pm

Omar and Tlaib each have a vote in the US Congress, which will be called upon in the next budget cycle to approve another $138-billion/annum in aid for Israel.  Right now both Omar and Tlaib are among the most popular Democratic members, which party controls the US Congress.  Right now the entire Democratic Party is major pissed at Israel.

The lines are clearly drawn by Israel itself...they want our money, but they don't want our company.  I’m hurt, until I look at the economics of the situation.  Whether it's our skin color, or our body odor, they are suggesting a de facto financial transaction.  For the US to save $138-billion/annum I would be willing to close all trade, cease all travel and end all alliances with a pissant country like Israel.  God knows, whatever else it brings...it will be a bargain to rid ourselves of this heavy burden.

As the great Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., once said: Free at last, free at last...great god almighty, we’s free at last.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:10 pm

The Democratic Party — so consumed with hate toward the president — displayed to the world this week how truly radical it’s become by taking sides with anti-Semites within its ranks, Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, in a feud with Israel, our longstanding geopolitical ally.

Despite objections from the left, Israel — the only democracy in the Middle East — announced it was barring the radical congresswomen from visiting the country this weekend for good reason.

For starters, the far-left congresswomen Omar and Tlaib openly support BDS, the Boycott Divest Sanction movement that has as its No. 1 goal to destroy Israel.

If that’s not alarming enough, Omar and Tlaib, two prominent members of the so called “squad,” won’t even acknowledge Israel’s right to exist.

Case in point: When describing their planned itinerary to Israel, the congresswomen referred to it as “Palestine,” a state that doesn’t exist.

And then there’s the troubling fact that their planned trip was reportedly sponsored by MITFAH, a controversial pro-Palestinian group whose members have reportedly voiced support of terrorism.

Omar and Tlaib’s sponsors have also excused jihad, aligned itself with American Neo-Nazi groups by publishing white nationalist and homophobic treatises on its website while also condoning the actions of Palestinian terrorists that have slaughtered Israelis — including children — according to the National Review.

Is this who Israel is supposed to roll out the red carpet to?

You must be kidding.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/18/democrats-wrong-to-back-anti-semitic-reps/

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Post by nicko on Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:19 pm

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:32 pm

I'm just urging that we be frugal with our money. Trump, and his self-made trade-wars, may well bring upon us world-wide depression. We need to be prepared by minimizing our commitments.

We are no longer the world's policemen. No more Vietnam, no more Afghanistan, no more Iraq...and we are not paying all the wasted money that, as Trump says, is a bad bargain for the US. Just as NATO has to start paying its fair share, so Israel has to stand on its own two feet.

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The decision by Israel to bar Reps. Rashid Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) due to their support for the anti-Israel BDS movement has generated international deadlines while at the same time sparking further partisan divide and debate. The controversy over the congresswomen, however, comes shortly after a visit to Israel by 72 fellow members of the US House of Representatives that seemed to highlight rare public goodwill between Democrats and Republicans, as well as the broad bipartisan support that Israel still enjoys among lawmakers.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said “all members should visit Israel if they come with open minds, open eyes and open ears – ready to hear all sides.”

He told JNS that “coming to Israel and seeing it for themselves transforms every member from simply believing that the United States should support Israel to feeling the strong bond the United States has with Israel.”

McCarthy led the Republican contingent of a visit to Israel that wrapped up this week, sponsored by the American Israeli Education Foundation (AIEF), a division of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

Both Omar and Tlaib rejected the AIEF-sponsored tour.

Despite their known hostility toward the Jewish state, Israel initially permitted Omar and Tlaib to visit the country “out of respect for Congress.” However, after it emerged that the two congresswomen’s visit would be one-sided and include only meeting with BDS groups, some with ties to terrorist organizations, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reversed course.

“The itinerary of the two Congresswomen reveals that the sole purpose of their visit is to harm Israel and increase incitement against it,” he said in a statement.

The pronouncement came shortly after a tweet by US President Donald Trump to deny entry to what he says is a radical element within the Democratic Party.

Members of the Republican delegation said the focus should be on the large majority of moderate Democrats and Republicans who support the Jewish state.

Rep. Ron Estes (R-Kan.), there for the first time, said the bipartisan visit was more than symbolic, relating that “Democrats and Republicans had a few days to spend time together in Israel, during which we talked with one another about the issues and developed working relationships.”

The more radical side of the Democratic Party is “merely a distraction,” said Estes, adding that “social media allows them to try to build themselves up with outlandish statements.”

Estes also came away impressed with the “entrepreneurial spirit and startup business capabilities,” which he has seen in Israel. Israel’s water technology “can be used to solve water problems" in his home state of Kansas, he said, “and to solve water problems throughout the world. Israel is the world leader when it comes to this issue.”

He also noted that he was moved by touring and seeing “the phenomenal history of all faiths.”

As to the fringe element of the Democratic Party, Rep. William Timmons (R-S.C.) went further and told JNS that “they are just 2.5% of Congress, and they are simply attention-grabbers. The less time we spend on the loudest voices, the better. The edges will always be unhappy.”


https://www.israelhayom.com/2019/08/18/republicans-attention-grabbers-will-not-hijack-bipartisan-goodwill-from-israel-trip/


The more you read behind the scenes. You easily to come to see this was nothing morew than a publicity stunt by Ilhan and Rashida. They never went with all the other Delegates to Israel from congress. This is even more easy to see, after Rashida wrote a letter seeking to see her grandmother and pomising not to promote anything when visiting. I guess she expected Israel to reject this as well. Yet they allowed her to visit and so what does she do. Then do a volte face and say she is not going. Talk about the worst publicity stunt going and people are waking up to these two

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phil wrote:House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said “all members should visit Israel if they come with open minds, open eyes and open ears – ready to hear all sides.”

Unfortunately, you missed an important word there: 'minority". Republicans are the most closed-minded people on earth. Just look as how they puppy-dog along behind Trump, mimicking his protectionism, and white-supremacy. McCarthy, himself, is as much a white supremacist as Trump.

“All members should visit Israel if they come with open minds, open eyes and open ears"—only, god-forbid, not if they are Arab or black. This is what McCarthy means. He is attempting to close minds, so far from the refreshing openness implied by his words. McCarthy and his little troupe of obsequious Republicans are just out for a boondoggle.

But, we waste time trying to reason with the unreasonable. As said, Republicans are in the minority. We’ll simply outvote ‘em. We do not have to cross bridges like limiting travel or adjusting accords, until we come to them. Israel has taken that first step, and the US must respect the Israeli policy. So far, the Democrats are blameless on that front.

But aid to Israel is another thing. Seventy-eight percent of all American Jews are Democrats, and they are among the same ones who are pissed at Israel. They are also among the ones who say we are no longer the world’s policemen. They are so powerful that they are forcing Trump to order the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. So Republicans and Democrats are united in their sentiment: no more foreign adventures for democracy and capitalism.

If we’re not to be the world’s policemen any longer, we need not address the world’s hotspots. Israel can take care of itself. Israel is no longer the poor waif of a nation that provided refuge from Europe in the 1930’s and 40’s. Israel is now the super-power that is exercising its own form of Lebensraum. There is no longer any need to support them.

Congress is now in control of the purse. Article I of the Constitution says that all disbursements begin with Congress. More that that, Congress has its own inherent power to curtail any item in the budget by withholding it’s permission. I think we will be seeing that, now.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:34 pm

In a continued feud between Israel and Representative Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tliab, the two congresswomen drew backlash after posting a cartoon this weekend depicting their voices being silenced by Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Tlaib, whose parents are Palestinian, and Omar, who fled Somali for the U.S. when she was younger, posted a political cartoon to their Instagram stories where Trump's hand was over Omar's mouth and Natanyahu's hand over Tlaib's.

'The more they try to silence us, our voices rise. The more they try to weaken us, the stronger we become. The more they try to discredit us, the truth prevails,' Tlaib wrote alongside the images on her Instagram account.

Batya Ungar-Sargon, an opinion editor with the Jewish Daily Forward, pointed out that the cartoon creator, Carlos Latuff, has a history of creating images with anti-Semitic themes.

Latuff posted the cartoon to his Twitter on Friday, claiming in the post that Trump and Netanyahu have waged a war on free speech and against the freshmen congresswomen.

'Trump-Netanyahu's war on @RashidaTlaib and @IlhanMN is a war against freedom of speech, a war against everyone who dare to criticize #Israel's apartheid,' he tweeted.

Latuff has a history of creating anti-Semitic cartoons and using the Holocaust to criticize Israel's treatment of Palestinians. In 2006 he entered one of such cartoons into the Iran Holocaust Cartoon Contest, which earned him second place.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7369383/Tlaib-Omar-share-anti-Semitic-cartoon-depicting-silenced-Trump-Netanyahu.html

What can i say when two Democrats champion a cartoonist that is an antisemite ?

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'Trump-Netanyahu's war on @RashidaTlaib and @IlhanMN is a war against freedom of speech, a war against everyone who dare to criticize #Israel's apartheid,' he tweeted.

I agree with him, of course. Israel has worked it's way into a position where if you criticize the food in a Tel Aviv restaurant, you are anti-Semitic.

But the US Congress is way beyond that. Isn't it time that Israel grew up? Isn't it time that they stopped sucking on our hind tit?

They receive $138-billion a year, and tell us who can be their friend? Fook that...a new generation is in charge. A generation on which the Israeli guilt trip doesn't work anymore.

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Reacting to the controversy surrounding Israel’s decision to deny entry to Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) and Ilhan Omar (D-MN), a Fox News guest said on Monday night that the two Muslim congresswomen have “Holocaust envy” because they’re “Islamists.”

Appearing on Fox News’ The Ingraham Angle, Qanta Ahmed—who has written for The Daily Beast in the past—blasted the two progressive lawmakers over their Monday press conference in which they denounced the travel restrictions and claimed Israel was suppressing voices of dissent.

“What you are seeing is a full-blown Islamist propaganda,” Ahmed said. “These are professional victim-mongering women who unfortunately have been elected to Congress but are using every tool in the playbook of the Muslim Brotherhood of Islamists.”

Host Laura Ingraham, meanwhile, said it was easy for her to be “upset and angry about their political Islamist approach to these issues” because she just wants to “defend Israel.” She went on to ask Ahmed if the congresswomen could be “change agents for good.”

“They could be—they could be,” she replied. “If they were pluralist Muslims, if they knew what was in the Quran, where we recognize Jews, where we recognize the sanctity of Moses, the holiness of the Torah. But they’re not.”

“They are using Islamist tactics to invert reality,” Ahmed continued. “What they are seeking—they have a grotesque Holocaust envy.”

She went on to claim that Islamists “envy what they see as the special mark upon the Jewish people that is the membership of genocide” because they want to make it appears as if they’re the “most persecuted” while they “deny the Holocaust.”


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phil wrote:“They are using Islamist tactics to invert reality,” Ahmed continued. “What they are seeking—they have a grotesque Holocaust envy.”

"Holocaust envy." Interesting concept. It presupposes that Jews are using the holocaust to seek advantage…and the envy, presumably, is the Arab response. In a way, there is a certain braggadocio to that picture…like, nudge, nudge…Hey, we’re getting away with it. It turns a whole moral enterprise into a stratagem. There is truth to that.

I think what Qanta Ahmed and notorious knuckle-dragger, Laura Ingraham, call "envy", is in fact genuine protest over Israel's gambit of pulling out the ‘orphan’ card whenever they need special favors. Israel is already receiving an allowance of $138-billion from the US—not to mention countless F-18’s and other military toys—but when the going gets a little rough Netanyahu squeezes a little more out of the sponge.

Israel has lost the moral high-ground as a result of its Lebensraum. There are those who play the game roughly, and those who play it like the little waif, but one thing is for certain...you can't play it both ways. You can’t pretend you’re Little Red Riding Hood, yet play the big, bad wolf. Israel cannot be grabbing land from the foundlings, yet turn to the US and plead weakness and poverty. This framing is trying to deflect from what Israel is really doing.

You can't claim victimhood when you are the aggressor. Netanyahu has made it known that Israel's Lebensraum grab is permanent, fook the displaced riff-raff. Now, I ask you, is that any way for a beggar to act? It offends common decency to nag for money while choking a less fortunate soul. That cry for decency is what Qanta Ahmed and Laura Ingraham are calling “holocaust envy”.


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Post by phildidge on Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:01 pm

My debate on @AlJazeera  about @IlhanMN  and  @RashidaTlaib
and the terrorist sympathizing antisemitic organization that would have hosted them #jerusalem

https://twitter.com/FleurHassanN/status/1163763526495813633

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Post by phildidge on Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:03 pm

(August 19, 2019 / JNS) Taking the blame for actions undertaken by their governments is part of every ambassador’s job. So it’s hardly surprising that Ron Dermer, Israel’s ambassador to the United States, and David Friedman, the American ambassador to Israel, are being made the scapegoats for the fiasco in which the Jewish state denied entry to two members of the U.S. Congress.

Yet reports that senior leaders of the Democratic Party are considering a formal motion of censure for Dermer and Friedman in the House of Representatives are troubling and not just because such a measure would be deeply unjust to the two men, as well as patently absurd. It’s that influential Democrats, including some who have been firm supporters of Israel, are so intimidated by Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), and other left-wing members and sympathizers of the so-called “Squad,” that they are willing to ignore the bad faith and anti-Semitism of these radicals.

https://www.jns.org/opinion/after-tlaib-and-omar-ban-democrats-let-radicals-take-the-steering-wheel/

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phildidge wrote:(August 19, 2019 / JNS) Taking the blame for actions undertaken by their governments is part of every ambassador’s job. So it’s hardly surprising that Ron Dermer, Israel’s ambassador to the United States, and David Friedman, the American ambassador to Israel, are being made the scapegoats for the fiasco in which the Jewish state denied entry to two members of the U.S. Congress.

Yet reports that senior leaders of the Democratic Party are considering a formal motion of censure for Dermer and Friedman in the House of Representatives are troubling and not just because such a measure would be deeply unjust to the two men, as well as patently absurd. It’s that influential Democrats, including some who have been firm supporters of Israel, are so intimidated by Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), and other left-wing members and sympathizers of the so-called “Squad,” that they are willing to ignore the bad faith and anti-Semitism of these radicals.

https://www.jns.org/opinion/after-tlaib-and-omar-ban-democrats-let-radicals-take-the-steering-wheel/

For once we agree, but in totally different directions. Ron Dermer, Israel’s ambassador to the United States, and David Friedman, the American ambassador to Israel, are being made pawns in order to hide what is really going on. Israel is playing hardball, while trying to hold onto its victim image. Let's leave the ambassadors out of it, and Congress should go directly to eliminating the $138-billion in aid to Israel.

It's time anyway that Israel grows up and supports itself.

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Where does legitimate and objective criticism of Israel end and anti-Semitism begin? The line isn’t an especially fine one, but the boundary does seem to confound those who regularly cross it. At least, that’s their face-saving claim. Few are supposedly clumsier at navigating this divide than Reps. Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. Their defenders insist that these congresswomen are being singled out only by those who decline to distinguish critiques of the Jewish state from attacks on Jews. But these representatives have erred in precisely the same way too many times for their statements and actions to be coincidental.

The effort to expose Rep. Omar’s anti-Semitic comments is made easier by the fact that she’s admitted to and apologized for some of them. “Israel has hypnotized the world,” the congresswoman wrote in 2012 amid Israeli strikes on Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip. “May Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” Thus, Omar gave voice to an ancient libel that brands Jews manipulative, seductive, mesmeric, and duplicitous. The comments dovetailed with a 2013 interview Omar gave to an Arab-American television host blaming American and Israeli actions for generating a response that included the targeting of civilians in terroristic attacks. Far from being reflexively condemned by American supporters of Israel, Omar was gently corrected and provided a platform to express her views and engage with her critics. Omar conceded her statement included an “anti-Semitic trope,” which was “unfortunate and offensive.” For a time, there was hope that the new congresswoman would grow in office, but this faith was misplaced.


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Bullshit alert

She claims as a young girl she her mother having to go through check points

She is 43 years old, 1976

The check points did not appear until the 90's, due to the intifada in 1987, where jews were being butchered in the street with suicide bombers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_checkpoint

So she is upset at nothing that actually ever happened and nor would there be any checkpoints if not for Palestinian terrorists

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Rep Tlaib cried about her mother being "dehumanized" at Israeli checkpoints. My child Malki, a US citizen murdered at 15, would be here today had a checkpoint stopped her murderer and a 10 kg bomb from entering Jerusalem. Remind Tlaib: Checkpoints prevent terrorism - save lives.
https://twitter.com/FrimetRoth/status/1163744805370912768

I have no objection to genuine criticism of Israel's Goverment, policies, etc, but when people blatantly lie and claim its humiliating to go through a check point? Does she break down in tears everytime she goes to the airport then? You know this is nothing more than a political stunt in order to whip up hate

The fact their trip was organised by an antisemitic group and the fact they never sought to me people on both sdies that actually want peace. Shows up how shambolic this masquerade is and wow this rashida certainly knows how to milk this to the full.


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phildidge wrote:Where does legitimate and objective criticism of Israel end and anti-Semitism begin? The line isn’t an especially fine one, but the boundary does seem to confound those who regularly cross it. At least, that’s their face-saving claim. Few are supposedly clumsier at navigating this divide than Reps. Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. Their defenders insist that these congresswomen are being singled out only by those who decline to distinguish critiques of the Jewish state from attacks on Jews. But these representatives have erred in precisely the same way too many times for their statements and actions to be coincidental.

The effort to expose Rep. Omar’s anti-Semitic comments is made easier by the fact that she’s admitted to and apologized for some of them. “Israel has hypnotized the world,” the congresswoman wrote in 2012 amid Israeli strikes on Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip. “May Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” Thus, Omar gave voice to an ancient libel that brands Jews manipulative, seductive, mesmeric, and duplicitous. The comments dovetailed with a 2013 interview Omar gave to an Arab-American television host blaming American and Israeli actions for generating a response that included the targeting of civilians in terroristic attacks. Far from being reflexively condemned by American supporters of Israel, Omar was gently corrected and provided a platform to express her views and engage with her critics. Omar conceded her statement included an “anti-Semitic trope,” which was “unfortunate and offensive.” For a time, there was hope that the new congresswoman would grow in office, but this faith was misplaced.


https://www.commentarymagazine.com/anti-semitism/the-case-against-ilhan-omar-and-rashida-tlaib/

A reputation is either earned, or rectified. What is important is what is happening right now.

Here we see the graphic transition from good to bad, from innocence to guilt. European Jews were legitimate victims in the 1930's and 40's. They carried that mantle to Israel, and we helped them because we felt they earned and deserved it. And fittingly, they relied on that assistance and built a powerful state.

But now the tables have turned, and the Israelis are victimizing others. This is where the good begins to turn color, and go bad. Now, our aid goes into disenfranchising the weak and underprivileged, and we--as well as the Israelis--are doing the opposite of god's will.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:49 pm

Nearly everything Democratic Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib said in their two-woman production of “Israel is Evil” on Monday was untrue. Let’s, for now, focus on one of the duo’s central claims.

Omar and Tlaib contend they were denied entry into the Jewish state because of their faith, while fellow sitting members of Congress were not. It’s simply untrue. Both Omar and Tlaib could easily have joined a group of 70 of their colleagues and met with Israeli and Palestinian Authority officials—if a trip is supposedly part of their “duties,” as they assert, to learn about the situation on the ground.

Instead, they planned a separate trip to “Palestine” with an itinerary designed by Miftah, a group that has long praised suicide bombers and, as any good antisemites do, claimed that “Jews [use] the blood of Christians in the Jewish Passover.” (You know, we hear a lot these days about how the GOP is infested with white supremacists, but I have yet to run across a single instance of an elected Republican member of Congress allying himself with group that spreads blood libel. I imagine such a pairing would be a pretty notable story.)

Even then, Tlaib, who hadn’t visited her poor Sity for 13 years before her election to Congress, had asked to see her on humanitarian grounds. Israel granted the request as long as Tlaib, now travelling as a private citizen, refrained from antisemitic BDS public protests during her stay.

No country is under a moral obligation to issue visas to foreigners who actively engage in efforts to harm its citizens, much less abet their activities. And BDS’s goal is to bring economic ruin to the democratic Jewish state—not only to Netanyahu or to Likud voters or to “settlers,” but to every citizen in the country, including the nearly two million Arabs who live there.

Tlaib must have agreed, because she signed a letter acquiescing to those terms on congressional stationary. Only once granted permission by Israel did she break into her performance mode, claiming that visiting her family without being able to engage in activism amounted to “oppressive conditions.”

Through tears, at three o’clock in the morning, we all decided as a family that I could not go until I was a free, American, United States Congresswoman coming there, not only to see my grandmother but to talk to Palestinian and Israeli organizations that believed that my grandmother deserves human dignity as much as anyone else does,” she said.

To paraphrase (perhaps) Golda Meier, the fact that Tlaib is more invested in hating Jews than seeing her grandmother is a microcosm of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. After all, spending time with an elderly family member for few days, maybe for the last time, would in no way inhibit Tlaib from demonizing Israel when she got back. Then again, accepting Israel’s humanitarian courtesy would be politically inconvenient.

Instead, the Michigan congresswomen used her press conference to relay stories about family members—many of them American citizens—who have been singled out for various degradations at the hands of the Israelis. I’m skeptical any of these stories are true. But here is a fact that is: hundreds of American citizens have been wounded and murdered by Palestinian terrorists during her lifetime. That’s why Sity is inconvenienced.

Only last year an American citizen named Ari Fuld was stabbed to death. In the infamous 2001 Sbarro pizzeria bombing, 15 people, seven children, were murdered by a female bomber. Among them, six US citizens were hurt, and two were killed—including a two-year-old girl. Since 2001, the Palestinian Authority has paid those responsible for her murder nearly $1 million.

This kind of violence goes back at least to the progroms of the 1920s. The Sbarro bombing came on the heels of Palestinian leadership rejecting yet another peace deal. It wasn’t a deal authored by the Likud party or by Netanyahu, but the center-left Israeli government.

President Bill Clinton, not George W. Bush or Donald Trump, brokered the negotiations. Clinton would later, on numerous occasions, blame the Palestinians for walking away from a generous deal that included virtually everything Yasser Arafat had asked for, other than the “right of return” — which, of course, would be suicide for Israel.

Instead of embracing peace, Fatah, Hamas, Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, Islamic Jihad, and others initiated a concerted war on civilians, with hundreds of suicide bombings and terrorist attacks that led to the murder of 1,000 Israelis and tens of thousands of cheering Palestinians.

The present-day checkpoints and wall system that Tlaib is complaining about were built to combat the nihilistic violence she will never condemn. The walls worked, of course, with bombing attacks dropping to nearly zero since then (if you don’t count the thousands of rockets that are launched from Gaza every year.)

And if the congresswoman wants to know why her Sity can’t easily go to a hospital in Jerusalem, well, it’s because ambulances and medical service trucks have been used to hide suicide bombers and weapons. Why aren’t there quality hospitals in the West Bank? Because corrupt Palestinian leaders, who have been given widespread autonomy and huge amounts of international aid, don’t build them for her.

The idea that Israel erected walls out of an innate racist desire to punish Muslims (millions of whom live peacefully, vote, and freely express themselves in Israel in ways they can’t anywhere in the Islamic world), is a vacuous leftist fairy tale.

There is no doubt that checkpoints and walls inconvenience many Arabs—although far fewer than Tlaib insinuates—but they also save lives. That’s not only the lives of Israelis but also the lives of those who would die in the retaliatory strikes against terror organizations that often hide behind women and children.

If Tlaib’s grandmother has had her dignity denied someone, it’s by a government that refuses to engage in good-faith peace efforts for the past 55 years to help its own people. Tlaib can blame the Palestinian Authority for Sity’s troubles.


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It's time for Israel to grow up.  If they go on begging off the US, they will lose respect for a variety of reasons.  The kid who lives off dad & mom, will always be laughed at behind his back.  Wink

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:07 am

Regarding “The double-edged sword of Omar and Tlaib” (August 20), when friends come to my front door I welcome them in for chat and a cup of tea.

If hostile strangers come to my front door and want to go into my back garden to help my abusive neighbors throw stones at my windows, obviously I refuse them entry.

Aren’t decisions simple when common sense replaces politics?

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Rep. Rashida Tlaib claims that her grandmother and others like her live in “inhumane conditions,” but a Jerusalem Post reporter who visited Tlaib’s “sity” reported that she actually lives in a very comfortable home in a town under complete PA jurisdiction (no evidence of “occupation”). Townspeople boasted to the reporter about the town’s high percentage of educated people, with many of the residents holding important positions “in Palestinian Authority ministries and other Palestinian institutions in Ramallah, including banks.”

Tlaib, you may be able to cry on cue on camera for dramatic effect, but if these are “inhumane conditions,” what many people around the world need is more of them! You should take up Israel’s invitation to visit your grandmother and see for yourself.

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Among their other lies and distortions of the truth, Tlaib and Omar accuse Israel of being apartheid, but Nelson Mandela, who in 1997 accepted an honorary doctorate from Ben-Gurion University of the Negev would debunk that. Mandela, who knew more about apartheid than any of the social media users alive today, would not have accepted a degree from an Israeli university and praised that university as “in the best tradition of the Jewish people” if he considered Israel an apartheid state. Tlaib and Omar are wrong about this – as they are wrong about so many other things.

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Hanan Ashrawi's Miftah organization has spread every single popular antisemitic meme from millenia of Jew-hatred.

This means that it must have accused Jews of poisoning the wells of Palestinians, right?

Of course!

From a 2007 article by Elias Akleh published on Miftah:
The first lesson an Israeli child learns is the most racist, chauvinist, prejudiced, religiously extremist, homo-phobic lesson of the persecuted (prejudice) God’s chosen people in God’s Promised Land. The Israeli child discovers that he has the Jewish divine birth right of being God’s chosen, and that this divine privilege comes with the envy, the anti-Semitic hatred, and the persecution the others (the Goyim; other people) inflicted on him. He learns that these Goyims are mere animal souls incarnated in human bodies for the service and pleasure of the God’s chosen people.
God is still talking to Israeli Rabbis to direct Israel in its war against the Arabs. Israeli Rabbis publish religious decrees sanctifying Israelis’ aggression against Palestinians. Rabbi “Murdachai Eliahu”, Israel’s previous Chief Rabbi, published religious decrees calling for genocide of all Palestinians as a religious duty. Rabbi “Eleazar Malmid” published religious decrees encouraging Israelis to steal and burn Palestinian crops, to kill their farm animals, and to poison their water wells. 

Obviously none of this is true. Mahmoud Abbas made a similar accusation and only walked it back when the Western media called him on it.

It is yet another example of antisemitism in Miftah, and in Palestinian society as a whole.

Miftah is one of the more moderate Palestinian NGOs. Palestinian antisemitism is baked in from birth, but the West is loathe to mention it, as if telling the truth is too shameful. Much easier to keep blaming Israel for all the problems of the region, which strengthens Palestinian hate for Jews.

(Another offensive article was also discovered, proposing that Jews in Israel all relocate to Russia's Birobidzhan.)

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2019/08/yet-more-miftah-antisemitism-claiming.html

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Post by nicko on Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:20 am

"I wanted to grow up " well tell Hammas to stop firing Rockets at Israel !
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:51 pm

nicko wrote:  "I wanted to grow up "  well tell Hammas to stop firing Rockets at Israel !

Hammas is a response, just as white terrorism/supremacy is a response.  As long as we have tribalism, we're going to see the equivalent on all sides.

The problem, nicko--and you know it particularly well--is certain nations' aggression toward others.

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:49 pm

nicko wrote:  "I wanted to grow up "  well tell Hammas to stop firing Rockets at Israel !


Mate he has not got the first clue about this conflict and do you see how he tries to compare Israel to the Nazi's all the time?
Its pure racist hatred to even compare the two when neither are comparable. People only make such outlandish claims, simple in order to deligitimise a people, they clearly hate. With the objective other gullible idiots will buy into this bullshit. This is a glowing example of when people fail to provide genuine criticism of Israel but cross over into antisemitism.
This is how far illiberal the social democrats have become in the US
As you see through out this thread, both the antisemites Ilhan and rashida, pally up to extremist antisemites
Not to worry, people woke up to this in this country with the far left and they will in the end in the US

Its why I have this antisemitic clown on ignore

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:50 pm

phil wrote:Mate he has not got the first clue about this conflict and do you see how he tries to compare Israel to the Nazi's all the time?

Not true.  I think the more apt comparison is to the early Roman emperors, whose policies were filled with self-serving expansion.  I believe that the Emperor Caligula would have been a perfect role model for the modern-day Netanyahu.

But it is true that the Germans embraced the concept and technique of Lebensraum--grabbing land from less capable neighbors to increase one's own size and strength.  Israel watched and learned.  When similar circumstances and needs arose in their world, they simply applied the same strategy: grab from the weak and defenseless and add to yours.

Beyond that, Israel is a thoroughly modern democracy, with a chauvinistic culture problem, just like ours, but otherwise doing quite well.

What I object to is my tax money going to enrich another nation, just because our fathers and grandfathers felt some sort of guilt going back to the third decade of over a century past.  It's over...for two reasons.  One, Israel doesn't need any money or resources; they are doing fine as they are.  Two, subsequent generations, including younger Jews, feel that Israel is adopting the same aggressive bad habits that once plagued (and soiled) our own rise to bully-status.  We are no longer the policemen of the world, but neither are we the gift bearers of the world.  The fact is, Israel is well established and can do its nasty work quite well on its own.

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:59 pm

Miftah, the NGO founded by Hanan Ashrawi and that is in the news for both is historic antisemitism and its offer to sponsor the Ilhan Omar/Rashida Tlaib aborted visit to "Palestine," still has many offensive and ahistorical articles on its site from over the years.

John Paul Pagano found another one, named "America's Tar Baby," (archived here), written by a humanities professor and conspiracy theorist named Clara Rising, where she says things like "Jews demand our complete submission" and finds justification for suicide bombing:

By what historical stranglehold do the Jews demand our complete submission to their unapologetic brutality to their Arab neighbors? From 1948 until the present year 2001—for half a century—they have chanted, like some mesmerized tribe in a jungle, the magic mantra of Security. Security from what? Yasser Arafat no longer has an army. He has no air force. No tanks. He is not bulldozing Israeli houses or invading neighborhoods with armed troops or firing from helicopter gunships. He has a desperate people who have produced suicide bombers, young men driven almost mad by the despair of living in a bottle like those drugged roaches—which is what the West Bank and Gaza have become. 
The entire article is vile and filled with bizarre conspiracy theories, which is perhaps fitting, because the author had President Zachary Taylor exhumed to prove her theory that he was assissinated with poison. (Experts found no such evidence.)

Rising includes  number of debunked Zionist quotes, but I found this one interesting:
According to the Zionist agenda, Palestine would be just the first step toward a "Greater Israel," which would ultimately include Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and even Iraq. If this sounds preposterous, one need only go back to the beginning, in 1948, when the first prime minister of Israel, Ben-Gurion, addressed his General Staff. Confident—largely because of American money which had secured Israel’s military superiority—Ben-Gurion told them: "We should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Transjordan and Syria….When we…bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo.
The entire paragraph is insane - remember, this is written after Israel had given up the Sinai to Egypt and much of the West Bank to the PLO - but who can even consider that Ben Gurion had designs on the entire Levant in 1948?

The quote comes from Noam Chomsky, in his 1983 book the fateful triangle, republished and updated a number of times since then:

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Although the Chomsky book includes hundreds of footnotes, it provides none for this quote.

Every other place on the Internet that quotes this refers to Chomsky, not to any primary source.

It appears to have been a complete fabrication.

Which makes it perfect for an antisemitic professor to publish in the antisemitic Miftah.


http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2019/08/another-antisemitic-miftah-article-says.html

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:38 pm

Clara Rising is a red herring in this discussion.  She feels her side is a victim: "Jews demand our complete submission..."  She may feel a strange sort of martyrdom, but I make no such claim.

Neither do I subscribe to Noam Chomsky's ideas.  For the past 200-years there have been some strange theories milling about regarding Jews...that they killed Christ; or that they control the money streams of the world.  Even British Royals have fueled the animosity with whispers of their own.  That has led the Jews to have a view--in part justified--that everyone opposed to them is "anti-Semitic".  I disavow any of that discussion; I simply draw a line around me, myself and my own ass.

So let’s start anew: I am arguing only that we, as US taxpayers, are no longer sugar-daddy fools.  Having given up the role of policeman to the world, we don't owe anything to anybody.  No Marshall Plan.  No rebuilding of Japan.  AND...no more gratuitous aid to Israel.  If Israel wants to carry on the antagonisms with another culture, they can do it on their own dime.

I may have my own personal ideas as to who is victim, and who is aggressor, in the Israel/ Palestinan conflict, but remember…we, the US, are no longer the policemen of the world, and therefore it’s none of our business.  I’m sure Israel will do just fine without our $138-Billion per annum, as it is now a successful nation on its own.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:52 am

Rashida Tlaib made a tearful statement to the press on Monday, expressing her need to “expose the truth” about Israel, which she calls “Palestine.”


Much of what she says is inaccurate and lacks context, which makes it a lie. This for instance:


“As a young girl, visiting Palestine to see my grandparents and extended family, I watched as my mother had to go through dehumanizing checkpoints -- even though she was a United States citizen and proud American. I was there when there when my [grandmother] was in a terrible car accident and my cousins and I cried so she could have access to the best hospitals -- which were in Jerusalem.”

For one thing, it is doubtful Tlaib ever saw her family go through checkpoints "as a young girl" as there were no checkpoints when Tlaib was small.
Then too, it is not only Arabs who must pass through checkpoints. Jews, too, must wait their turn in traffic to go through checkpoints. I go through checkpoints every time I go from my apartment in Judea to the nearest city, Jerusalem. I went through checkpoints each time I labored to give birth to the final 6 of my 12 children, in order to get to the closest hospital in Jerusalem. We all go through the checkpoints, which make us late for appointments, and waste precious minutes getting us to hospital emergency and delivery rooms.The unfortunate inconvenience of the checkpoints is the trade-off for the many lives they save. 

I won't lie: It is true that when the soldiers at the checkpoints see I am Jewish, they wave me through, knowing that I am not going to Jerusalem to blow up a bus or smuggle arms.

Other people do get stopped and checked. Some more thoroughly than others. It depends on how much suspicion these people arouse, and yes, whether or not they are Arabs. Profiling like this saves lives. That is because in Israel, the people who perpetrate terror attacks are Arabs.

And even with the checkpoints, with soldiers looking in at the drivers, one by one, as cars pass through, we sometimes fail to catch terrorists, as this tweet from Frimet Roth demonstrates:

While checkpoints save lives, we do of course understand that everyone should have access to medical care. And there is no doubt that Tlaib’s family would have wanted her grandmother to have access to the best possible hospitals after a bad car accident. But why, with the world pouring billions of dollars in aid into UNRWA and the PA, have the Arabs not built their own good hospitals, closer to home? Why should Muftia Tlaib be required to travel, at all?

The answer is this: the aid that goes to the PA and Hamas is used to fund terror, not hospitals. And that is a choice. With all that money, dozens of state-of-the-art hospitals could have been built in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza for the exclusive use of the Arab people. Better hospitals than the Jews have in Jerusalem, which would obviate the need for travel, passing  "dehumanizing" checkpoints, and ensuring that people like Tlaib's "sity" get help on the spot.

But the Arab people choose not to build hospitals. They choose instead to use the monies they receive to fund the murder of Jewish Israelis. Weapons cost money. So do the Pay to Slay salaries for terrorists and their families.

This Palestinian Authority-sanctioned policy of supporting and inciting terror over building hospitals makes it necessary to create even more “dehumanizing” checkpoints, even while PA constituents lack adequate and sometimes even urgent medical care. The Arabs have put the murder of the Jews ahead of the health of their own people. Murdering Jews is their top priority. 

And why, after all,  should this money not be spent on the Jew-killing machine? PA and Hamas leaders and their families are well provided for: they have no difficulty obtaining medical care inside the State of Israel. Senior PA leader Jibril Rajoub was treated in an Israeli hospital in May. Hamas terrorist leader Ismail Haniyeh and four of his family members received treatment in Israel. PA President Mahmoud Abbas and three of his family members were treated in Israel. Why would these senior officials earmark funds for the medical care of people like Tlaib's "sity" when it doesn't affect them personally?

Putting terror first, and putting the haves before the have nots, explains the tragic disparity between available funding and the lack of medical care for the Arab people of Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, people like Tlaib's "sity." There should be no need for these people to travel to Jerusalem after a bad car accident. There is enough money to build hospitals and urgent care centers for everyone, very close to home.
This choice: choosing to murder Jews over providing medical care to your own people, is sick and wrong. Especially when corrupt leaders have the access to medical care that their people do not. But to cast the blame on Israel for these awful priorities, for these choices, and to then cry crocodile tears at press conferences in your official capacity as a public servant, as Tlaib has done, is even more wrong. It is an abuse of power. And it does nothing to help the Arab people.

Israel is not to blame for the choices made by Tlaib’s own people. Israel is, on the contrary, one of the two victims of this choice, this unquenchable thirst to shed Jewish blood; the other being the Arab people, who lack adequate medical care as a result of their grim and tragic priorities.

It is true that checkpoint solders waved me through as I labored with my 12 children on the way to Jerusalem. They might well have waved through Rashida’s “sity” after her car accident, too, except for the fact that Arabs have historically misused medical services for nefarious ends, for instance for the smuggling of bombs past the checkpoint in order to blow up Jewish Israelis in Jerusalem. From the [url=https://mfa.gov.il/mfa/aboutisrael/state/law/pages/palestinian misuse of medical services and ambulances for terrorist activities 13-oct-2004.aspx]Ministry of Foreign Affairs[/url] (MFA):

Unfortunately, there have been documented cases of Palestinians abusing the neutrality of ambulances and medical facilities for terrorist purposes. On March 26 2002, Ahmed Jibril, a Tanzim operative, was detained at an IDF roadblock near Ramah Bridge, south of Ramallah. Jibril worked as an ambulance driver for the Palestinian Red Crescent (PRC). He was arrested while driving an ambulance belonging to the PRC in which were found an explosives belt and explosives. Jibril admitted that Mahmoud Titi, a Tanzim leader in Samaria, told him to deliver them to Tanzim operatives in Ramallah.

In addition to Jibril, a woman and three children, aged 6 months, three and four years old, were in the ambulance. The explosives belt held sixteen pipes containing approximately 10 kilograms of explosive materials. The belt was hidden under the mattress of the stretcher on which one of the children was lying.

Nidal Abd al Fatah Abdallah Nidal, an ambulance driver from Qalqilya employed by UNWRA, was arrested in August 2002 by IDF forces. He admitted using the ambulance to transport weapons and explosives for Hammas. Waffa Idris, a PRC employee, perpetrated the suicide bombing on Jaffa Street in Jerusalem in January 2002. She was dispatched by a PRC ambulance driver who is also a Tanzim operative, and she was assisted by another PRC employee. It is also believed she may have traveled in a PRC vehicle, and used PRC documents to go through IDF checkpoints.

I have been in Israel for four decades, now. I remember these incidents and others, too. It is a known thing: Arab terrorists smuggle arms in ambulances, even placing them under the body of a child. How then can we simply wave Tlaib’s “sity” through a checkpoint after a bad car accident? We want to help. We are good people. But too many Arabs are not.
The MFA website explains Israel's humanitarian predicament:

These incidents are not exceptional. There have been others in which Palestinian terror organizations abused the privileged status of ambulances, as well as many intelligence warnings of their intentions to do so. There is also abundant evidence that terrorists operate from within hospitals and health clinics; that terrorist organizations recruit PRC employees; and that wanted terrorists frequently travel in Palestinian ambulances to escape capture.

In light of these Palestinian practices, the IDF is forced to stop and search ambulances, which unavoidably results in impacting the Palestinian population, despite the IDF's efforts to minimize the disruption caused.

International law may mandate safeguarding the neutrality of ambulances, medical transports and personnel. However, it has also long recognized that when ambulances and medical transport are used for military purposes, they can no longer keep their protected status.

Should we choose to let ambulances through unchecked, taking a chance on the lives of innocent Jews? Or should we trust the Arab passengers of these vehicles, knowing the history, knowing they have abused this trust in the past--Israel's trust--on several occasions?

Ambulances are something most of us see as sacrosanct: something never to be weaponized. This is the issue that Tlaib should be tearfully addressing from her platform of power: how to fix her people so they no longer breech these basic human standards of decency, no longer exploit Israel’s humanitarian impulses, so that Israelis no longer need fear them--fear for their lives--when an ambulance carrying wounded Arabs rushes by. Because ambulances just like the one that carried her “sity” have been used to carry explosives to murder Jewish, simply because they were Jews.

This, and not some pretend lack of Israeli humanity is the reason for the “dehumanizing” checkpoints: Arab terrorists who exploit Israel’s good nature, who exploit ambulances and other medical services, using them as tools to murder Jews.


This is the reason for the checkpoints in the first place: the Arab propensity for placing the murder of Jews above all else, even medical care for their own people. That is true crux of the problem. A problem Tlaib will never address.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2019/08/why-rashidatlaib-will-never-expose.html

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Post by nicko on Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:17 am

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Post by phildidge on Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:06 am

Israel at war with US Congress IDF-child-backpack-filled-with-weaponryChild's backpack, used by Palestinian Authority terrorists, filled with weapons and ammunition.

IDF soldiers found a child’s backpack on Tuesday, used by two Palestinian Authority terrorists to hide guns and ammunition. 

“Our soldiers noticed them acting suspiciously near an Israeli community, found the weapons, and arrested them. A child’s backpack should hold books, not weapons,” the IDF Spokesperson said.


https://www.jewishpress.com/multimedia/photos/idf-discovers-childs-backpack-stuffed-with-weapons-ammunition/2019/08/06/

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:13 pm

phil wrote:But the Arab people choose not to build hospitals. They choose instead to use the monies they receive to fund the murder of Jewish Israelis. Weapons cost money. So do the Pay to Slay salaries for terrorists and their families.

We all know there is a war.  Don't act like you are shocked.

Land use and improvement come after you know Israel won't just bomb or blow up that hospital, school or day-care center.  Address the causes of war--Israel's Lebensraum--then talk improvements.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:20 pm

“Why doesn’t Israel simply give the Palestinians what they are asking for and bring the conflict to an end?”

“What do you want from the Palestinians? Israel refuses to give them their own state so of course the Palestinians resort to terrorism and armed conflict!”

These two refrains are heard constantly from the pro-Palestinian camp in parliaments and college campuses around the world.

The problem with this line of questioning is that it ignores the fact that Israel has tried to make peace and has tried to offer the Palestinians as much as it can. The Camp David II summit of 2000 is a case in point.

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The last major attempt to resolve the issues between Israel and the Palestinians took place in July 2000. US President Bill Clinton invited Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian Authority chairman Yasser Arafat to meet at Camp David, the president’s retreat in western Maryland.

https://honestreporting.com/camp-david-ii-summit/


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Cause of the war:

Arab hatred of Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine

Cause of the war:

Arabs refusing to live alongside Jews in peace having self dtermination


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

Who else refused to allow people to have self determination like the Arab leaders war against israel?

The Nazi's with Poland
Communist Russia with Poland
Serbia with Bosnia and Kosova

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Post by phildidge on Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:25 pm

In 19th century Algeria, no worse insult than to call someone a Jew

Here's another in a never-ending series showing how Arabs and Muslims are lying when they say how wonderfully they got along with Jews in their countries.

This is from the 1890  book Winters In Algeria, by F.A. Bridgman:

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The hatred which exists between Arab and Jew is very marked, and "Youdi" (damned Jew) is a term that he reserves for one of that race, and uses also when he wishes to exhaust, in one ejaculation, his vocabulary of curses against a member of his own persuasion.

There was one other interesting section:

The origin of the Arab's hatred to the Jews was a legend which he told with religious conviction. Mohammed the prophet owned a large park filled with gazelles; the favorite of these animals had horns and hoofs of pure gold, which attracted one day the eyes of a Jew. He gave chase, and running the gazelle down secured the precious metal.


http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2019/08/in-19th-century-algeria-no-worse-insult.html

Like I say its very easy to expose the far left antisemite on history no need to even engage the racist muppet in debate, its better to simple expose his hatred and antisemitism. These is no Israel policy that is even comparable to nazi policy and hence why the anti-semite uses such langauge in order to deligitimise the Israel i Jews.




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Post by Original Quill on Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:31 pm

The problem with this line of questioning is that it ignores the fact that Israel has tried to make peace and has tried to offer the Palestinians as much as it can.

That's the second great lie of Israel.  The first was...Look, look...free land, it's your's for the taking!

Israel has never offered anything to the Palestinians, that it didn't intend to take back.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:35 pm

What Rep. Tlaib Forgot To Mention: 212 Killed – 1,149 Wounded

Monday’s Tlaib/Omar presser was a horrible display. Two members of Congress were expressing their Antisemitism in public, aired live by major media and the cable networks, their hate speech supported by their fellow Democrats. Although as far as acting goes one of the two members of Congress had provided an award-winning performance, but she left out one important point.

Rashida Tlaib put in a great emotional act during her press conference today. She spoke of the difficulty trying to move around Judea and Samaria (she calls it the West Bank) when she was a child trying to visit her Grandmother.

“As a young girl visiting Palestine to see my grandparents and extended family, I watched as my mother had to go through dehumanizing checkpoints – even though she was a United States citizen and a proud American,”

I too am a proud American and when I went to Israel I had to go through checkpoints. For some—I was patted down, others I went through metal detectors, still others wands. Were they dehumanizing? No more dehumanizing than going through the TSA checkpoints before getting on an Airplane.

What Tlaib neglected to mention was the reason for the checks. Israel was attempting to prevent all her citizens, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish from becoming victims of Palestinian terror.

During the time Tlaib was aged 2-10 and visiting there were 129 attempted or successful Palestinian terrorist attacks; 212 people were killed and 1,149 were injured (there were other attacks outside of Israel such as the Achille Lauro hijacking on October 7, 1985, when a 69-year-old Jewish American man in a wheelchair, Leon Klinghoffer, was murdered by the Palestinian hijackers and thrown overboard ). And this was before they started suicide bombings.

What Tlaib was complaining about was Israel’s attempt to prevent more murders, and people being wounded.

Palestinian Terror Attacks in Israel 1978-1986 Rep. Rashida Tlaib Was Aged 2-10

https://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/the-lid-jeffdunetz/441666/2019/08/21/

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Post by phildidge on Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:38 pm

The Palestinians have actually had numerous opportunities to create an independent state, but have repeatedly rejected the offers:

In 1937, the Peel Commission proposed the partition of Palestine and the creation of an Arab state.

In 1939, the British White Paper proposed the creation of a unitary Arab state.

In 1947, the UN would have created an even larger Arab state as part of its partition plan.

The 1979 Egypt-Israel peace negotiations offered the Palestinians autonomy, which would almost certainly have led to full independence.

The Oslo agreements of the 1990s laid out a path for Palestinian independence, but the process was derailed by terrorism.

In 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to create a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank.

In 2008, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered to withdraw from almost the entire West Bank and partition Jerusalem on a demographic basis.

In addition 1948 to 1967, Israel did not control the West Bank. The Palestinians could have demanded an independent state from the Jordanians. On the contrary whilst Jordan was in control Arafat said there was no longer a claim as it was no longer part of Palestine. Once it was back in Israeli hands it miraculously became disputed land again! This is one of many reasons Jews and Israelis are cynical.

The Palestinians have spurned each of these opportunities. A variety of reasons have been given for why the Palestinians have in Abba Eban’s words, “never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.” Historian Benny Morris has suggested that the Palestinians have religious, historical, and practical reasons for opposing an agreement with Israel. He says that “Arafat and his generation cannot give up the vision of the greater land of Israel for the Arabs. [This is true because] this is a holy land, Dar al-Islam [the world of Islam]. It was once in the hands of the Muslims, and it is inconceivable [to them] that infidels like us [the Israelis] would receive it.”

The Palestinians also believe that time is on their side. “They feel that demographics will defeat the Jews in one hundred or two hundred years, just like the Crusaders.” The Palestinians, Morris says, also hope the Arabs will acquire nuclear weapons in the future that will allow them to defeat Israel.

In 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to withdraw from 97 percent of the West Bank and 100 percent of the Gaza Strip. In addition, he agreed to dismantle 63 isolated settlements. In exchange for the 3 percent annexation of the West Bank, Israel said it would give up territory in the Negev that would increase the size of the Gaza territory by roughly a third.

Barak also made previously unthinkable concessions on Jerusalem, agreeing that Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem would become the capital of the new state. The Palestinians would maintain control over their holy places and have “religious sovereignty” over the Temple Mount.

According to U.S. peace negotiator Dennis Ross, Israel offered to create a Palestinian state that was contiguous, and not a series of cantons. Even in the case of the Gaza Strip, which must be physically separate from the West Bank unless Israel were to be cut into non-contiguous pieces, a solution was devised whereby an overland highway would connect the two parts of the Palestinian state without any Israeli checkpoints or interference. The proposal also addressed the Palestinian refugee issue, guaranteeing them the right of return to the Palestinian state and reparations from a $30 billion fund that would be collected from international donors to compensate them.

“In his last conversation with President Clinton, Arafat told the President that he was “a great man.” Clinton responded, “The hell I am. I’m a colossal failure, and you made me one.”

Arafat was asked to agree to Israeli sovereignty over the parts of the Western Wall religiously significant to Jews (i.e., not the entire Temple Mount), and three early warning stations in the Jordan Valley, which Israel would withdraw from after six years. Most important, however, Arafat was expected to agree that the conflict with Israel was over at the end of the negotiations. This was the true deal breaker. Arafat was not willing to end the conflict. “For him to end the conflict is to end himself,” said Ross.

The prevailing view of the Camp David/White House negotiations—that Israel offered generous concessions, and that Yasser Arafat rejected them to pursue the war that began in September 2000—was acknowledged for more than a year. To counter the perception that Arafat was the obstacle to peace, the Palestinians and their supporters then began to suggest a variety of excuses for why Arafat failed to say “yes” to a proposal that would have established a Palestinian state. The truth is that if the Palestinians were dissatisfied with any part of the Israeli proposal, all they had to do was offer a counterproposal. They never did.

Anyone that is against Israel should satisfy themselves as why this may have been?

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:43 pm

Tlaib and Omar are merely doing their jobs as US Congress members.

They are making the case that the US should not be giving away some $138-Billion a year to one who has no need for it. It's like the rich giving to the rich.

And here, the US doesn't even have a healthcare program.

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