Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by phildidge on Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:59 am

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated EB69vGjXsAANwx9?format=jpg&name=900x900

YouGov shows that the left-wing to right-wing political spectrum is actually much more complex than previously thought when it comes to public opinion
A new angle of attack from Jeremy Corbyn seems to be that Boris Johnson is presiding over the most right-wing government in living memory.

That might be a helpful move if politicians had an accurate assessment of where the public stands on the left-right spectrum. But if the reaction in Westminster to YouGov survey data from earlier this week showing that 75% of Brits (including 61% of Labour voters) support the PM’s proposed expansion of stop and search powers is anything to go by, they may well not.

Framing politics in terms of left-wing and right-wing might be simple for politicians, and comforting to activists, but it seems that these terms just aren’t that useful for talking about - or indeed to - the general public.

A new YouGov study reveals that the political wing spectrum is poorly understood and also that huge numbers of people don’t hold consistent left- and right-wing outlooks.

(Please note this is all before even getting into the argument about whether the left- and right-wing scale should be accompanied by an authoritarian/libertarian axis. The data explored below is all public opinion regarding each policy we tested; YouGov has made no declaration that any given policy is left-wing, right-wing or otherwise.)

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/13/left-wing-vs-right-wing-its-complicated

More to read on the link

phildidge

Posts : 8510
Join date : 2018-11-16

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by Syl on Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:06 pm

I agree and disagree with points from both sides...as I imagine most sensible people do.
Thats the problem with putting people in labelled boxes......it never gives a true picture. snobby

_________________
Not everyone likes me, but not everyone matters.

Syl

Posts : 19565
Join date : 2015-11-12
Location : Manchester

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:58 pm

Smile

Even more reason why the "political compass" model is more relevent tnen a simplified "political spectrum"...

And why I prefer to treat people as individuals, as the various issues change on here..

Maybe it's time to introduce a 3D model of the "political compass"  --  now what to have as the 'Z' axis  ?

_________________
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
Our life is frittered away by details. Simplify, simplify.
The mass of men lead lives of quite desperation.
Henry David Thoreau
'Wolfie
'Wolfie

Posts : 7542
Join date : 2016-02-24
Age : 61
Location : Lake Macquarie, NSW, Australia

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by Maddog on Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:42 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Smile

Even more reason why the "political compass" model is more relevent tnen a simplified "political spectrum"...

And why I prefer to treat people as individuals, as the various issues change on here..

Maybe it's time to introduce a 3D model of the "political compass"  --  now what to have as the 'Z' axis  ?


Rolling Eyes

_________________
pa·ter·nal·ism

noun

The policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinates' supposed best interest.
Maddog
Maddog

Posts : 5380
Join date : 2017-09-23
Location : Texas

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by Maddog on Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:49 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Smile

Even more reason why the "political compass" model is more relevent tnen a simplified "political spectrum"...

And why I prefer to treat people as individuals, as the various issues change on here..

Maybe it's time to introduce a 3D model of the "political compass"  --  now what to have as the 'Z' axis  ?



https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

_________________
pa·ter·nal·ism

noun

The policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinates' supposed best interest.
Maddog
Maddog

Posts : 5380
Join date : 2017-09-23
Location : Texas

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by Original Quill on Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:09 pm

I'm highly distrustful of survey research studies in the wake of the 2016 presidential election. It looks like people are fibbing, for whatever reasons, in their answers to questions.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 29801
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:16 pm

Maddog wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Smile

Even more reason why the "political compass" model is more relevent tnen a simplified "political spectrum"...

And why I prefer to treat people as individuals, as the various issues change on here..

Maybe it's time to introduce a 3D model of the "political compass"  --  now what to have as the 'Z' axis  ?


Rolling Eyes

Smile

That's correct, Dingus...

That's why I don't attack all Yanks, or even all southern rednecks, based on whatever stupidities you come out with this week..

Unlike certain Brits on here who regularly berate all lefties on one news item, or attack all Aussies or Yanks based on certain individuals..

_________________
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
Our life is frittered away by details. Simplify, simplify.
The mass of men lead lives of quite desperation.
Henry David Thoreau
'Wolfie
'Wolfie

Posts : 7542
Join date : 2016-02-24
Age : 61
Location : Lake Macquarie, NSW, Australia

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:25 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Smile

Even more reason why the "political compass" model is more relevent tnen a simplified "political spectrum"...

And why I prefer to treat people as individuals, as the various issues change on here..

Maybe it's time to introduce a 3D model of the "political compass"  --  now what to have as the 'Z' axis  ?

You what? You regularly berate groups of people for being "right wing", whether they are or not.

_________________

"There never was an Aaron, counselor".
Raggamuffin
Raggamuffin

Posts : 33746
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by Maddog on Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:45 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:


Rolling Eyes

Smile

That's correct,  Dingus...

That's why I don't attack all Yanks,  or even all southern rednecks, based on whatever stupidities you come out with this week..

Unlike certain Brits on here who regularly berate all lefties on one news item, or attack all Aussies or Yanks based on certain individuals..

You use all sorts of adjectives/insults based on your idea of someone's political leanings.

It's your standard MO.

_________________
pa·ter·nal·ism

noun

The policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinates' supposed best interest.
Maddog
Maddog

Posts : 5380
Join date : 2017-09-23
Location : Texas

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by 'Wolfie on Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:00 am

Maddog wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Smile

That's correct,  Dingus...

That's why I don't attack all Yanks,  or even all southern rednecks, based on whatever stupidities you come out with this week..

Unlike certain Brits on here who regularly berate all lefties on one news item, or attack all Aussies or Yanks based on certain individuals..

You use all sorts of adjectives/insults based on your idea of someone's political leanings.

It's your standard MO.  

Cool

Not quite right, shithead...

I tailor my insults to whatever rubbish my opponents have posted..

Politics is simply one of several parameters that I might respond to.

_________________
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
Our life is frittered away by details. Simplify, simplify.
The mass of men lead lives of quite desperation.
Henry David Thoreau
'Wolfie
'Wolfie

Posts : 7542
Join date : 2016-02-24
Age : 61
Location : Lake Macquarie, NSW, Australia

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by eddie on Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:50 pm

Syl wrote:I agree and disagree with points from both sides...as I imagine most sensible people do.
Thats the problem with putting people in labelled boxes......it never gives a true picture. snobby

Exactly! Labels, labels everywhere. Dangerous.

_________________
Please stop saying "You can't joke about anything anymore". You can. You can joke about whatever the fuck you like. And some people won't like it and they will tell you they don't like it. And then it's up to you whether you give a fuck or not. And so on. It's a good system. ~ Ricky Gervais
eddie
eddie
King of Beards. Keeper of the Whip. Top Chef. BEES!!!!!! Mushroom muncher. Spider aficionado!

Posts : 39293
Join date : 2013-07-28
Age : 49
Location : England

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated Empty Re: Left-wing vs right-wing: it’s complicated

Post by Maddog on Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:36 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

You use all sorts of adjectives/insults based on your idea of someone's political leanings.

It's your standard MO.  

Cool

Not quite right,  shithead...

I tailor my insults to whatever rubbish my opponents have posted..

Politics is simply one of several parameters that I might respond to.

Oh yes, you're ad hominems span the spectrum. You should be so proud of yourself. Rolling Eyes

_________________
pa·ter·nal·ism

noun

The policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinates' supposed best interest.
Maddog
Maddog

Posts : 5380
Join date : 2017-09-23
Location : Texas

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum