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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:00 pm

In messages posted on the day of the attack, Philip Manshaus, a 21-year-old man who has been named by local media as the main suspect [in the Norway mosque attack], described himself as “chosen” by “Saint [Brenton] Tarrant”, the gunman who killed 51 people at mosques in New Zealand in March.

“My time is up, I was chosen by Saint Tarrant after all … We can’t let this continue, you gotta bump the race war threat in real life … it’s been fun,” one post reads.

In a meme also posted by Manshaus, three rightwing extremists suspected of being responsible for other attacks this year are depicted and praised as heroes of the white nationalist movement.

Tarrant is described as having “addressed the Muslim problem” while Patrick Crusius, who has been charged with the attack in El Paso, Texas, in which 22 people died, is praised for “fighting to reclaim his country”.

A third attacker suspected of killing a woman during a Passover celebration at a synagogue in California in April is also praised, alongside antisemitic abuse.

The evidence of posts supporting the actions of the three suspects will fuel fears that a “cascade” of rightwing extremist attacks is gathering supporters around the world.

“We are now no longer talking about one-off events, but a loosely coordinated chain of far-right attacks across the world, where members of these networks inspire – and challenge – each other to beat each others’ body counts,” said Peter Neumann, professor of security studies at King’s College London.

“The ultimate motivation … is to launch a race war. The aim is to carry out attacks, claim responsibility, explain your action, and inspire others to follow.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/11/norway-mosque-attack-suspect-may-have-been-inspired-by-christchurch-and-el-paso-shootings

We as a society need to stop pandering to these people; we need to stop making it out as though the people who preach white male supremacy deserve to be heard; we need to stop pretending that the left is "just as bad"; and we need to root out these terrorists with the same sense of urgency that we give to ISIS, al Quaeda, etc.

Not only must these sad little men be stopped, their divorced-from-reality ideology must be debunked.

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Post by Syl on Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:10 pm

Couldn't agree more...Terrorists are terrorists.

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Post by Jules on Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:25 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
In messages posted on the day of the attack, Philip Manshaus, a 21-year-old man who has been named by local media as the main suspect [in the Norway mosque attack], described himself as “chosen” by “Saint [Brenton] Tarrant”, the gunman who killed 51 people at mosques in New Zealand in March.

“My time is up, I was chosen by Saint Tarrant after all … We can’t let this continue, you gotta bump the race war threat in real life … it’s been fun,” one post reads.

In a meme also posted by Manshaus, three rightwing extremists suspected of being responsible for other attacks this year are depicted and praised as heroes of the white nationalist movement.

Tarrant is described as having “addressed the Muslim problem” while Patrick Crusius, who has been charged with the attack in El Paso, Texas, in which 22 people died, is praised for “fighting to reclaim his country”.

A third attacker suspected of killing a woman during a Passover celebration at a synagogue in California in April is also praised, alongside antisemitic abuse.

The evidence of posts supporting the actions of the three suspects will fuel fears that a “cascade” of rightwing extremist attacks is gathering supporters around the world.

“We are now no longer talking about one-off events, but a loosely coordinated chain of far-right attacks across the world, where members of these networks inspire – and challenge – each other to beat each others’ body counts,” said Peter Neumann, professor of security studies at King’s College London.

“The ultimate motivation … is to launch a race war. The aim is to carry out attacks, claim responsibility, explain your action, and inspire others to follow.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/11/norway-mosque-attack-suspect-may-have-been-inspired-by-christchurch-and-el-paso-shootings

We as a society need to stop pandering to these people; we need to stop making it out as though the people who preach white male supremacy deserve to be heard; we need to stop pretending that the left is "just as bad"; and we need to root out these terrorists with the same sense of urgency that we give to ISIS, al Quaeda, etc.

Not only must these sad little men be stopped, their divorced-from-reality ideology must be debunked.


These warriors are all feeding off each other online, & getting inspiration off like-minded kindred spirits.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:54 am

I guess we have a new bogeyman for a while. The Muslims are off the hook.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:59 am

Maddog wrote:I guess we have a new bogeyman for a while. The Muslims are off the hook.  

Yes, the bogeyman is the person willing to kill for his ideology. Time to take these ideologically driven mass murderers as a serious matter, even if some of us wish they had darker complexions and were Muslims.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:57 am

Maddog wrote:I guess we have a new bogeyman for a while. The Muslims are off the hook.  

Or more like the western media care little about the victims of other global terrorist attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_February_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_March_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_April_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_May_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_June_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_July_2019

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Post by phildidge on Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:14 am

Even in the EU

The list of terrorist attacks are as follows.

                2015    2016   2017   2018  
Jihadist:     17        13       33      24      

Left Wing:  13        27       24      19

Right Wing: 9          1        5         1

Seprartist:   65        99      137     83


https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-2019-te-sat

The other has categories for "other" and "single" issue and you can download from the report

I think there certainly is a problem in the US with the Far right. Even more so with the easy access to weapons. That is for sure, but also see the US is polarising its people into left and right wing camps. Which is edging further and further into open conflict

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:35 pm

an inconvenient truth for the left....

but must not let truth stand in the way of left wing propaganda and demonisation of anything right of marx and co.


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Post by Maddog on Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:00 am

phildidge wrote:
Maddog wrote:I guess we have a new bogeyman for a while. The Muslims are off the hook.  

Or more like the western media care little about the victims of other global terrorist attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_February_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_March_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_April_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_May_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_June_2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_July_2019

The media needs fresh bogeymen.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:00 am

“We are now no longer talking about one-off events, but a loosely coordinated chain of far-right attacks across the world, where members of these networks inspire – and challenge – each other to beat each others’ body counts,” said Peter Neumann, professor of security studies at King’s College London.

“The ultimate motivation … is to launch a race war. The aim is to carry out attacks, claim responsibility, explain your action, and inspire others to follow.”

How is he a member of the media?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:02 am

Victorismyhero wrote:an inconvenient truth for the left....

but must not let truth stand in the way of left wing propaganda and demonisation of anything right of marx and co.


I don't see anybody saying that all Tories are mass murderers.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:17 am

Let's all blame the media for quoting a security studies professor. This one article must mean that the media as a coordinated, centrally planned, unified entity ( Rolling Eyes) has decided to make all right wingers into terrorists ( Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes).

It's the only logical explanation ( Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes).

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:26 am

Ben Reilly wrote:“We are now no longer talking about one-off events, but a loosely coordinated chain of far-right attacks across the world, where members of these networks inspire – and challenge – each other to beat each others’ body counts,” said Peter Neumann, professor of security studies at King’s College London.

“The ultimate motivation … is to launch a race war. The aim is to carry out attacks, claim responsibility, explain your action, and inspire others to follow.”

How is he a member of the media?

Fallacy argument

Argument from authority

Its the opinion of one person, who as seen clearly is either very stupid to global terrorism. Plus the fact there is nothing to show that any of them have been coordinated.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:26 am

Victorismyhero wrote:an inconvenient truth for the left....

but must not let truth stand in the way of left wing propaganda and demonisation of anything right of marx and co.

Rolling Eyes

Don't worry, Victor, you quivering little snowflake....

You're not paranoid..

All those wicked lefties, liberals, socialists, commies and trade unionists really are out to get you !

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:29 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Victorismyhero wrote:an inconvenient truth for the left....

but must not let truth stand in the way of left wing propaganda and demonisation of anything right of marx and co.


I don't see anybody saying that all Tories are mass murderers.

No what he is saying is you are like most leftist regressives trying to hype this up, when in reality globally far right terrorism is rare.

The fact is like I say in some places in Europe Far left terrorism is more of a problem. Sepratist terrorism is the most terrorist attacks in the EU, but globally its always Islamic terrorism that dwarfs everything.

Yes there is problems with white Supremacy in the US, but there is little coordinating attacks, unlike Islamic terrorism.

Yes we should challenge all hateful ideologies, but you seem clueless to this, and even worse you are meant to be a journalist

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:31 am

phildidge wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:“We are now no longer talking about one-off events, but a loosely coordinated chain of far-right attacks across the world, where members of these networks inspire – and challenge – each other to beat each others’ body counts,” said Peter Neumann, professor of security studies at King’s College London.

“The ultimate motivation … is to launch a race war. The aim is to carry out attacks, claim responsibility, explain your action, and inspire others to follow.”

How is he a member of the media?

Fallacy argument

Argument from authority

Its the opinion of one person, who as seen clearly is either very stupid to global terrorism. Plus the fact there is nothing to show that any of them have been coordinated.

But how is he part of some media that is trying to push a new bogeyman to demonize the right? He's a professor who said something.

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:33 am

Ben Reilly wrote:Let's all blame the media for quoting a security studies professor. This one article must mean that the media as a coordinated, centrally planned, unified entity ( Rolling Eyes) has decided to make all right wingers into terrorists ( Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes).

It's the only logical explanation ( Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes).

A left wing media organisation, who constantly plays down Islamic terrorism

You presented an expert on terrorism who has no expertese in Far right ideology. All his works has been around Islamic terrrorism and the IRA

Kind of like a neurologist giving advice on cardiology

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:35 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
phildidge wrote:

Fallacy argument

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Its the opinion of one person, who as seen clearly is either very stupid to global terrorism. Plus the fact there is nothing to show that any of them have been coordinated.

But how is he part of some media that is trying to push a new bogeyman to demonize the right? He's a professor who said something.

Never claimed he was, but the guadrian is certainly left leaning biased

All they did was quote a couple of sentences from someone who has written no works on far right ideology

They would have been better getting the views of Matthew Goodwin, whos works and research have been on the Far right

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