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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:01 pm

Many scholars of terrorism see worrying similarities between the rise of the Islamic State and that of white nationalist terrorism, seen most recently in the carnage in El Paso, Tex.

“The parallels are stunning,” said Will McCants, a prominent expert in the field.

And they are growing more notable with each new attack.

Experts say that the similarities are far from a coincidence. White nationalist terrorism is following a progression eerily similar to that of jihadism under the leadership of the Islamic State, in ways that do much to explain why the attacks have suddenly grown so frequent and deadly.

In both, there is the apocalyptic ideology that predicts — and promises to hasten — a civilizational conflict that will consume the world. There is theatrical, indiscriminate violence that will supposedly bring about this final battle, but often does little more than grant the killer a brief flash of empowerment and win attention for the cause.

There are self-starter recruits who, gathering in social media’s dark corners, drive their own radicalization. And for these recruits, the official ideology may serve simply as an outlet for existing tendencies toward hatred and violence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/world/americas/terrorism-white-nationalist-supremacy-isis.html

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Post by eddie on Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:04 pm

What if....guns were banned? And bombs? And any weapons that kill?

Imagine how people and countries would resolve their conflicts!

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:06 pm

eddie wrote:What if....guns were banned? And bombs? And any weapons that kill?

Imagine how people and countries would resolve their conflicts!

Karate?

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Post by eddie on Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:10 pm

That would work.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:39 pm

eddie wrote:That would work.

It would certainly be cool!

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:47 pm

Not even remotely like ISIS or jihadism

White extremism is an ideology within itself, yet Islam is a religion. A religious ideology which has over a billion and half followrs

If this white nationalist was connected to say a religious belief like Christianity that could draw on those followers through this. Then you would have some comparability

White extremism requires people to believe in this warped ideology. Where its not a big step for Muslims to become extremists, as it uses its own islamic doctrine in order to radicalise its followers.

You will find many extremist doctrines speak of a conflict and a need for this conflict as if they are under threat. That is not something knew, but found in manyk extremist doctrines. Just another really awful article by the New York Times.

What will help this reallity happen in the Us with a conflict. Is how the US is becoming more and more polarise with each other over left and right. Its why the Dayton shooter, may have atced off the Ohio shooter. Its clear he held extreme left wing view. It may not have been the motive his beliefs why he shot people, but a view of a coming conflict that made him act

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:52 pm

So because white nationalists follow a violent ideology, while Islamist terrorists follow a warped, violent version of a religion, there are no similarities between the two?

No online recruitment of frustrated men, no lone wolf attacks, no apocalyptic vision of a world in a war between civilizations or races?

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:56 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:So because white nationalists follow a violent ideology, while Islamist terrorists follow a warped, violent version of a religion, there are no similarities between the two?

No online recruitment of frustrated men, no lone wolf attacks, no apocalyptic vision of a world in a war between civilizations or races?

People would argue they are simple following exactly how Muhammad acted in his lifetime. The problem here, and the problems with islam, as it fails to change with the times. Just as Christianity failed to do for centuries but in many cases has progressed

So there is a very different bases for this, as i do not see many people following a belief centured around the colour of the skin of people, except these far right extremists

Like i said there is a built up or far left and right in America which is heading for a collision. I forsee bigger trouble ahead and far more attrocities happenning. Mainly as people are losing faith in the media and politics, being drawn to extrmist beliefs. Just as happened in the 1920's and 1930's

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:29 pm

That's not what I meant, though. I'm saying that despite being inspired by different things, they're quite similar phenomena.

That they're inspired by different things is a given; they're nonetheless playing out quite similarly.

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Post by phildidge on Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:37 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:That's not what I meant, though. I'm saying that despite being inspired by different things, they're quite similar phenomena.

That they're inspired by different things is a given; they're nonetheless playing out quite similarly.

Well does white extremism have a central draw like martydom, which Islam have?

Its a central tennant of islam, hence its much easier to draw off this to get people to think appalling acts are righteous to them. They think its glorious to die murdering other people and think they will be rewarded for this. With a tennant also about islam coming to dominate the world. They do not draw so much on a fear islam dying out, but a belief they are at war and use the deaths of civillian Muslims to whip up anger as a draw for people to join.

Whereas white extremists use a central fear theseus. That whites will be overun and killed off through genocide. A fear of other races. In reality its a fear of loss of control and power. A power that many of these people never really have in the first place. But they use racial ideology and fear as the bases. They go off this to say a battle is needed to be won to stop this imaginary genocide from happening.

So the draw for each two is very different to say the least

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Post by Maddog on Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:43 pm

eddie wrote:What if....guns were banned? And bombs? And any weapons that kill?

Imagine how people and countries would resolve their conflicts!

They could use airplanes. tongue

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Post by Maddog on Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:44 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Many scholars of terrorism see worrying similarities between the rise of the Islamic State and that of white nationalist terrorism, seen most recently in the carnage in El Paso, Tex.

“The parallels are stunning,” said Will McCants, a prominent expert in the field.

And they are growing more notable with each new attack.

Experts say that the similarities are far from a coincidence. White nationalist terrorism is following a progression eerily similar to that of jihadism under the leadership of the Islamic State, in ways that do much to explain why the attacks have suddenly grown so frequent and deadly.

In both, there is the apocalyptic ideology that predicts — and promises to hasten — a civilizational conflict that will consume the world. There is theatrical, indiscriminate violence that will supposedly bring about this final battle, but often does little more than grant the killer a brief flash of empowerment and win attention for the cause.

There are self-starter recruits who, gathering in social media’s dark corners, drive their own radicalization. And for these recruits, the official ideology may serve simply as an outlet for existing tendencies toward hatred and violence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/world/americas/terrorism-white-nationalist-supremacy-isis.html

There's not really a White Nationalist organization.

I mean the Klan is a joke. I guess you have militia types but they haven't ben stirring up much shit for a few decades now.

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Post by eddie on Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:52 pm

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:What if....guns were banned? And bombs? And any weapons that kill?

Imagine how people and countries would resolve their conflicts!

They could use airplanes. tongue


Hmmmm. No comment.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:58 am

phil wrote:Like i said there is a built up or far left and right in America which is heading for a collision. I forsee bigger trouble ahead and far more attrocities happenning.

I agree with that.  Perhaps even a second civil war.

There are definitely two distinct ideologies in America.  Always have been.  I just hope the Pacific states can avoid it, and pull out before the trouble starts.  Really, it's not our fight.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:07 am

eddie wrote:
What if....guns were banned? And bombs? And any weapons that kill?

.........................
Basketball

Knives, axes, mauls, screwdrivers, chisels, hammers, chainsaw;
Spears, bow and arrow, sling, club, shanghai, garotte;
Attack dogs, feral cats, rabid guinea pigs;
Planes, trains and automobiles;
Gas, poisons, drowning;
Catapaults...

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Post by nicko on Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:39 am

You forgot Women !
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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:43 am

nicko wrote:
You forgot Women !

Laughing

And Africanised "killer bees", too..

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Post by eddie on Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:21 pm

nicko wrote:You forgot Women !

The worst kind of weapon! Evil or Very Mad

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