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Post by Thorin on Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:56 am

In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928


Its been well received by many. With over 220,000 likes and yet others have been really angered

I think those angered are completely missing his point

He is not downplaying the shootings. He is showing how different people react to the different deaths of people emotionally.

What do others think?

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Post by Eilzel on Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:57 am

phildidge wrote:In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928


Its been well received by many. With over 220,000 likes and yet others have been really angered

I think those angered are completely missing his point

He is not downplaying the shootings. He is showing how different people react to the different deaths of people emotionally.

What do others think?

I suppose the difference would be that those others are down to individual conditions or accidents.
In the case of a shooting the added horror is that another human could do that to someone else. Which may be why people are so much more emotionally struck by it.

I don't disagree with what NDT says, but his timing is very off.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:15 pm

Eilzel wrote:
phildidge wrote:In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928


Its been well received by many. With over 220,000 likes and yet others have been really angered

I think those angered are completely missing his point

He is not downplaying the shootings. He is showing how different people react to the different deaths of people emotionally.

What do others think?

I suppose the difference would be that those others are down to individual conditions or accidents.
In the case of a shooting the added horror is that another human could do that to someone else. Which may be why people are so much more emotionally struck by it.

I don't disagree with what NDT says, but his timing is very off.


40 homicides by handgun?

The spectacle of 20 people being killed in one event, has a greater impact on people then 30 people being killed in 30 events, even if the death toll is higher in the 30 events.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:16 pm

phildidge wrote:In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928


Its been well received by many. With over 220,000 likes and yet others have been really angered

I think those angered are completely missing his point

He is not downplaying the shootings. He is showing how different people react to the different deaths of people emotionally.

What do others think?

What this is trying to say is: killing by guns is alright because killing happens in so many other ways. This is a clear argument of tu quoque, or whataboutism. It is saying, what about these other deaths(?), not addressing the core question of how to prevent all deaths.

There is no equivalency between deaths during surgery, illness, suicide and automobile accidents. The firearm exists for intentional killing...physicians and automobiles do not.

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Post by Thorin on Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:41 pm

Eilzel wrote:
phildidge wrote:In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928


Its been well received by many. With over 220,000 likes and yet others have been really angered

I think those angered are completely missing his point

He is not downplaying the shootings. He is showing how different people react to the different deaths of people emotionally.

What do others think?

I suppose the difference would be that those others are down to individual conditions or accidents.
In the case of a shooting the added horror is that another human could do that to someone else. Which may be why people are so much more emotionally struck by it.

I don't disagree with what NDT says, but his timing is very off.

But this is the point mate. How people switch on and off to deaths and how that death happens.

Countless people die everyday and its how these emotions are formed through types of acts

A|gree with your last point

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:16 am

TweetStorm
NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON·MONDAY, AUGUST 5, 2019·READING TIME: 2 MINUTES
TweetStorm -  August 5, 2019

Yesterday, a Tweet I posted in reaction to the horrific mass shootings in America over the previous 48 hours, killing 34 people, spawned mixed and highly critical responses.

If you missed it, I offered a short list of  largely preventable causes of death, along with their average two-day death toll in the United States.  They significantly exceeded the death toll from the two days of mass shootings, including the number of people (40) who on average die from handgun homicides every two days.

I then noted that we tend to react emotionally to spectacular incidences of death, with the implication that more common causes of death trigger milder responses within us.

My intent was to offer objectively true information that might help shape conversations and reactions to preventable ways we die.  Where I miscalculated was that I genuinely believed the Tweet would be helpful to anyone trying to save lives in America.  What I learned from the range of reactions is that for many people, some information –-my Tweet in particular -- can be true but unhelpful, especially at a time when many people are either still in shock, or trying to heal – or both.

So if you are one of those people, I apologize for not knowing in advance what effect my Tweet could have on you. I am therefore thankful for the candor and depth of critical reactions shared in my Twitter feed. As an educator,  I personally value knowing with precision and accuracy what reaction anything that I say (or write) will instill in my audience, and I got this one wrong.

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:33 am

phildidge wrote:TweetStorm
NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON·MONDAY, AUGUST 5, 2019·READING TIME: 2 MINUTES
TweetStorm -  August 5, 2019

Yesterday, a Tweet I posted in reaction to the horrific mass shootings in America over the previous 48 hours, killing 34 people, spawned mixed and highly critical responses.

If you missed it, I offered a short list of  largely preventable causes of death, along with their average two-day death toll in the United States.  They significantly exceeded the death toll from the two days of mass shootings, including the number of people (40) who on average die from handgun homicides every two days.

I then noted that we tend to react emotionally to spectacular incidences of death, with the implication that more common causes of death trigger milder responses within us.

My intent was to offer objectively true information that might help shape conversations and reactions to preventable ways we die.  Where I miscalculated was that I genuinely believed the Tweet would be helpful to anyone trying to save lives in America.  What I learned from the range of reactions is that for many people, some information –-my Tweet in particular -- can be true but unhelpful, especially at a time when many people are either still in shock, or trying to heal – or both.

So if you are one of those people, I apologize for not knowing in advance what effect my Tweet could have on you. I am therefore thankful for the candor and depth of critical reactions shared in my Twitter feed. As an educator,  I personally value knowing with precision and accuracy what reaction anything that I say (or write) will instill in my audience, and I got this one wrong.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:03 am

Eilzel wrote:
phildidge wrote:TweetStorm
NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON·MONDAY, AUGUST 5, 2019·READING TIME: 2 MINUTES
TweetStorm -  August 5, 2019

Yesterday, a Tweet I posted in reaction to the horrific mass shootings in America over the previous 48 hours, killing 34 people, spawned mixed and highly critical responses.

If you missed it, I offered a short list of  largely preventable causes of death, along with their average two-day death toll in the United States.  They significantly exceeded the death toll from the two days of mass shootings, including the number of people (40) who on average die from handgun homicides every two days.

I then noted that we tend to react emotionally to spectacular incidences of death, with the implication that more common causes of death trigger milder responses within us.

My intent was to offer objectively true information that might help shape conversations and reactions to preventable ways we die.  Where I miscalculated was that I genuinely believed the Tweet would be helpful to anyone trying to save lives in America.  What I learned from the range of reactions is that for many people, some information –-my Tweet in particular -- can be true but unhelpful, especially at a time when many people are either still in shock, or trying to heal – or both.

So if you are one of those people, I apologize for not knowing in advance what effect my Tweet could have on you. I am therefore thankful for the candor and depth of critical reactions shared in my Twitter feed. As an educator,  I personally value knowing with precision and accuracy what reaction anything that I say (or write) will instill in my audience, and I got this one wrong.

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My sentiments exactly  Smile

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Post by Maddog on Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:13 pm

phildidge wrote:TweetStorm
NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON·MONDAY, AUGUST 5, 2019·READING TIME: 2 MINUTES
TweetStorm -  August 5, 2019

Yesterday, a Tweet I posted in reaction to the horrific mass shootings in America over the previous 48 hours, killing 34 people, spawned mixed and highly critical responses.

If you missed it, I offered a short list of  largely preventable causes of death, along with their average two-day death toll in the United States.  They significantly exceeded the death toll from the two days of mass shootings, including the number of people (40) who on average die from handgun homicides every two days.

I then noted that we tend to react emotionally to spectacular incidences of death, with the implication that more common causes of death trigger milder responses within us.

My intent was to offer objectively true information that might help shape conversations and reactions to preventable ways we die.  Where I miscalculated was that I genuinely believed the Tweet would be helpful to anyone trying to save lives in America.  What I learned from the range of reactions is that for many people, some information –-my Tweet in particular -- can be true but unhelpful, especially at a time when many people are either still in shock, or trying to heal – or both.

So if you are one of those people, I apologize for not knowing in advance what effect my Tweet could have on you. I am therefore thankful for the candor and depth of critical reactions shared in my Twitter feed. As an educator,  I personally value knowing with precision and accuracy what reaction anything that I say (or write) will instill in my audience, and I got this one wrong.

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It was sort of like telling a widow, at her husbands funeral, that he probably wouldn't have croaked so soon, if he hadn't been a smoker.

Correct, factual and insensitive.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:18 pm

Maddog wrote:Correct, factual and insensitive.

My sentiments exactly.  Smile   Plus, unhelpful.

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