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Post by Andy on Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:16 pm

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8chan: the far-right website linked to the rise in hate crimes


Three attackers in six months allegedly posted their plans on the site in advance. In an exclusive interview, Silicon Valley CEO explains his ‘moral obligation’ to keep 8chan online

The suspect in the massacre that left 51 Muslims dead in Christchurch, New Zealand, allegedly posted a white nationalist screed and link to his Facebook live feed on 8chan, a far-right message board and notorious bastion of hate speech. The suspect in the shooting at a synagogue in Poway, California, that killed one person and injured three, allegedly posted a racist and antisemitic “open letter” on 8chan. And the suspect in Saturday’s attack at a crowded Walmart in El Paso, Texas, which claimed the lives of at least 20 people, is believed to also have posted a white nationalist rant on the platform.

If the connection between the 21-year-old suspect in Saturday’s massacre and the 8chan document is confirmed – and law enforcement sources told NBC News that they are “reasonably confident” that they are linked – then the El Paso attack will mark the third mass shooting in less than six months that was announced in advance on the message board. The first targeted Muslims, the second Jews, and the third appears to have been aimed at killing Latinos.

Two mass shootings in US leave at least 29 people dead and over 50 injured

So what is 8chan – and why is a website linked to such a high death count allowed to exist on the open internet?

At its most basic level, 8chan is a website hosting user-generated message boards. Users can create and moderate their own boards about topics ranging from anime and cryptocurrency to politics and video games, or post on established boards. Almost everyone participates anonymously, and the only rule is that users should not post content that is illegal in the United States, such as child-exploitation material.

But extremism has been central to 8chan identity since it was founded in 2013 by a computer programmer and self-proclaimed eugenicist Fredrick Brennan. (Brennan has since distanced himself from his earlier writings and beliefs and has cut ties with the site.)

The site was modelled on another message board called 4chan. But in a key difference, 4chan’s founder had the power to delete individual boards, while Brennan was committed to near absolute free speech. When 4chan banned the discussion of the misogynistic harassment campaign known as Gamergate in 2014, 8chan gained in popularity as a staging ground for the campaign.

8chan has remained a morass of hate speech and bigotry, much of it disguised in layers of ironic or coded language that can make true threats difficult to distinguish from “shitposting”. The site has been tied to numerous “Swatting” incidents, whereby anonymous users make fake emergency reports in an attempt to send Swat (special weapons and tactics) law enforcement teams to a target’s home address. It is also home to the QAnon conspiracy theory, a wide-ranging false narrative seeded by an anonymous account known as “Q” who posts his prognostications on 8chan.

Throughout the day on Saturday, 8chan users discussed the massacre and the suspect, with many referring to the alleged shooter as “our guy” and praising the number of people killed. The site’s extremism and connection to violence has prompted calls for a crackdown by various governments, and it was briefly blocked by internet service providers in New Zealand and Australia following the Christchurch massacre.

Protection from Cloudflare

8chan would have difficultly operating if it didn’t receive protection from a company like Cloudflare, a US-based company that provides internet infrastructure services to websites, including protection from distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks. Such DDoS attacks are often used by internet vigilantes to attack extremist sites.

Cloudflare has long taken the position that it should be neutral towards content in providing its services, since it does not host content itself. But in 2017, shortly after the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, the company’s chief executive officer, Matthew Prince, stopped providing DDoS protection to the extremist neo-Nazi hate site, the Daily Stormer. The site was subsequently forced off the open internet and on to the so-called dark web – areas of the internet that cannot be accessed with a normal web browser. It has since returned to the regular internet.

At the time, Prince expressed deep ambivalence about his decision, telling employees in an email: “This was an arbitrary decision. I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the internet.” He subsequently told the Guardian: “I am deeply uncomfortable with the decision we made. It doesn’t align with our principles.”

El Paso shooting: what we know so far

Cloudflare faced renewed public pressure over its protection of 8chan in the wake of the Christchurch massacre. And in a phone interview with the Guardian on Saturday night, Prince reiterated his belief that Cloudflare should not cease to provide services to sites such as 8chan based on their content.

“If I could wave a magic wand and make all of the bad things that are on the internet go away – and I personally would put the Daily Stormer and 8chan in that category of bad things – I would wave that magic wand tomorrow,” Prince said. “It would be the easiest thing in the world and it would feel incredibly good for us to kick 8chan off our network, but I think it would step away from the obligation that we have and cause that community to still exist and be more lawless over time.”

Prince argued that keeping “bad” sites within Cloudflare’s network means that the company is able to help monitor activity and flag illegal content to law enforcement. While he would not comment on specifics, he said that Cloudflare receives “regular requests” from law enforcement not to ban certain sites.

“There are lots of competitors to Cloudflare that are not nearly as law abiding as we have always been,” he said. “The minute that someone isn’t on our network, they’re going to be on someone else’s network … If you do a search for the Daily Stormer now, it’s completely available. They’re not gone, and they have bragged themselves that their subscriber counts have gone up.”

Prince also rejected any implication that Cloudflare’s position is self-interested.

“The right answer from a pure business perspective is just to kick them off,” he said of 8chan. “Of the 2 million-plus Cloudflare customers, they don’t matter, and the pain that they cause is well beyond anything else.”

Keeping 8chan within its network is a “moral obligation”, he said, adding: “We, as well as all tech companies, have an obligation to think about how we solve real problems of real human suffering and death. What happened in El Paso today is abhorrent in every possible way, and it’s ugly, and I hate that there’s any association between us and that … For us the question is which is the worse evil? Is the worse evil that we kick the can down the road and don’t take responsibility? Or do we get on the phone with people like you and say we need to own up to the fact that the internet is home to many amazing things and many terrible things and we have an absolute moral obligation to deal with that.”



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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:38 pm

Never heard of it. How does anyone find it?

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Why? Do you want to join them?

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Post by Andy on Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:32 am

8Chan was celebrating the shootings.

http://news.sky.com/story/online-forum-8chan-loses-protection-over-mass-shootings-11777822

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Post by Maddog on Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:24 pm

Andy wrote:Why? Do you want to join them?

Is there an application process?

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Maddog wrote:
Andy wrote:Why? Do you want to join them?

Is there an application process?

No...you just have to show your Republican membership card.

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Is there an application process?

No...you just have to show your Republican membership card.

We don't have those in Texas.

But I sorta knew that an authoritarian like you would know the process. Cool

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No...you just have to show your Republican membership card.

We don't have those in Texas.

But I sorta knew that an authoritarian like you would know the process. Cool

Perhaps the reason you don't have Republican cards in Texas, is you don't need 'em.  Voter suppression of minorities takes care of all your racial problems.  Wink

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We don't have those in Texas.

But I sorta knew that an authoritarian like you would know the process. Cool

Perhaps the reason you don't have Republican cards in Texas, is you don't need 'em.  Voter suppression of minorities takes care of all your racial problems.  Wink

We don't have them because we don't register by party. Crazy eh?

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Perhaps the reason you don't have Republican cards in Texas, is you don't need 'em.  Voter suppression of minorities takes care of all your racial problems.  Wink

We don't have them because we don't register by party. Crazy eh?

Voter suppression makes it unnecessary.  You know where the people you want to disenfranchise live.  Just look at the gerrymandering maps, and study black and Hispanic voter patterns. If they vote on Sundays, outlaw Sunday voting. If they don't drive, make the polling place inaccessible. Republicans have written a book about it.

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We don't have them because we don't register by party. Crazy eh?

Voter suppression makes it unnecessary.  You know where the people you want to disenfranchise live.  Just look at the gerrymandering maps, and study black and Hispanic voter patterns.  If they vote on Sundays, outlaw Sunday voting.  If they don't drive, make the polling place inaccessible.  Republicans have written a book about it.

Why is ever necessary to register by party?

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Maddog wrote:
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We don't have them because we don't register by party. Crazy eh?

Voter suppression makes it unnecessary.  You know where the people you want to disenfranchise live.  Just look at the gerrymandering maps, and study black and Hispanic voter patterns.  If they vote on Sundays, outlaw Sunday voting.  If they don't drive, make the polling place inaccessible.  Republicans have written a book about it.

Why is ever necessary to register by party?

Well, that's obviously not the point he's making.

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Why is ever necessary to register by party?

Well, that's obviously not the point he's making.

What point is he making?

What point is he ever making?

He babbles stereotypes, tropes and other nonsense most of the time on here.

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Maddog wrote:
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Why is ever necessary to register by party?

Well, that's obviously not the point he's making.

What point is he making?

What point is he ever making?

He babbles stereotypes, tropes and other nonsense most of the time on here.    

The point is that Republicans know how to rig elections. They know minorities tend to vote Democratic, so they give areas with a lot of minorities fewer voting machines, they shorten the early voting period, they try to ban busing people to the polls, etc. They've admitted to this, I could post videos for you.

You do realize that the Republican Party is far more majority-white than the Democratic Party, don't you?

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Ben wrote:The point is that Republicans know how to rig elections. They know minorities tend to vote Democratic, so they give areas with a lot of minorities fewer voting machines, they shorten the early voting period, they try to ban busing people to the polls, etc. They've admitted to this, I could post videos for you.

You do realize that the Republican Party is far more majority-white than the Democratic Party, don't you?

Have a alien, though at 1616 you hardly need it.   You hit the nail on the head.

It's not just Texas.  It's Ohio and Pennsylvania, and many more too.  Republicans do not believe in democracy.

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Post by Andy on Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:02 pm

It seems that Trump, Fox News and 8Chan are inextricably linked.

The far right are making their move.
.Time for the ordinary US citizens to wake up, smell the coffee and ACT!!!

From Trump to Fox News to 8chan: the web of white supremacist rhetoric is wide

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/06/trump-seeds-violent-white-nationalism?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Also here

https://mol.im/a/7325163

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:57 pm

Andy wrote:Why? Do you want to join them?

I just wonder if it actually exists, other than in someone's imagination.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:58 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

What point is he making?

What point is he ever making?

He babbles stereotypes, tropes and other nonsense most of the time on here.    

The point is that Republicans know how to rig elections. They know minorities tend to vote Democratic, so they give areas with a lot of minorities fewer voting machines, they shorten the early voting period, they try to ban busing people to the polls, etc. They've admitted to this, I could post videos for you.

You do realize that the Republican Party is far more majority-white than the Democratic Party, don't you?

Who rigged the 2016 democratic primaries?

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Maddog wrote:
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The point is that Republicans know how to rig elections. They know minorities tend to vote Democratic, so they give areas with a lot of minorities fewer voting machines, they shorten the early voting period, they try to ban busing people to the polls, etc. They've admitted to this, I could post videos for you.

You do realize that the Republican Party is far more majority-white than the Democratic Party, don't you?

Who rigged the 2016 democratic primaries?

Russia. They've pretty much brought it out in the open by now...tho they hid it for a while, fretting over whether the America public would think the whole thing illegitimate. Russia has hacked into every voting machine in the nation.

When you lose by 3-million votes, but win with a squeeky margin in the electoral college, it's takes some pretty strategic maneuvers. I don't believe in coincidence.

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Who rigged the 2016 democratic primaries?

Russia.  They've pretty much brought it out in the open by now...tho they hid it for a while, fretting over whether the America public would think the whole thing illegitimate.  Russia has hacked into every voting machine in the nation.

When you lose by 3-million votes, but win with a squeeky margin in the electoral college, it's takes some pretty strategic maneuvers.  I don't believe in coincidence.

The DEMOCRATIC primaries.

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