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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:03 am



25th of july met office quote...


The UK has seen its hottest July day and second hottest day on record as the mercury hit 38.1C, the Met Office said. 


And...


In Cambridge, temperatures reached 38.1 °C. This is the second time temperatures reached over 100 Fahrenheit in the UK, according to the Met Office.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2019/jul/25/heatwave-uk-weather-set-to-break-records-as-europes-cities-await-hottest-day-live




But then... 29th july...


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uks-hottest-day-confirmed-mercury-18796901



Bollocks!!!



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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:15 am

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Note to Ben...

Could you please relegate Tommy's continual delusional anti-science denialist crappola to a recreation/comedy section somewhere..

As there is nothing either newsworthy or even factual in his idiotic rants.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:12 pm

We know the loons have fabricated other data to try to back up their claims...!


The inconvenient truth is that they are full of shit!!!




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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:44 pm

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:35 pm

Tommy, when people collect data, they often report out "rough" figures before the analysis is complete, to give people a picture of how extreme an event is.

It's not surprising at all that they initially thought they'd recorded the second-hottest day on record, but then as more data came in, they completed their report and found that it was the hottest day on record.

At any rate, it was really fucking hot, and I'm sure you at least noticed that as well ... right?

And I say this as a Texan. England reminded me of Texas that day, weather-wise, and I found out later it was actually cooler in Fort Worth, where I come from, than it was on London on that day.

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The met office doesn't do 'rough figures'...


The met office said 38.1...


For this ambiguous new temp of 38.7 to be mysteriously discovered and then need this so called verification etc, 4 days later, smells distinctly of bullshit!!!


And besides that... one hot day here in England in the summer, is nothing unusual at all...!


The summer of 76 was 3 months of heatwave...



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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

The met office doesn't do 'rough figures'...


The met office said 38.1...


For this ambiguous new temp of 38.7 to be mysteriously discovered and then need this so called verification etc, 4 days later, smells distinctly of bullshit!!!


And besides that... one hot day here in England in the summer, is nothing unusual at all...!


The summer of 76 was 3 months of heatwave...



Of course one day can't be used to prove climate change, everyone who knows a thing about climate knows that one record, one event, etc. isn't on its own proof of anything. Climate is not how hot it got in one place in one day; it's about regional trends.

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Post by Andy on Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:53 pm

10 wamest Uk summers have been in the last 18 years.
From the Met Office.
Even they say it is not a coincidence, and is a result of man made global warming.
Any denial by the dullard should be regarded as trolling.
BBC News - Climate change: UK's 10 warmest years all occurred since 2002
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49167797

.For years the Met Office has been saying that its data shows unmistakeable evidence of rising temperatures, both in the UK and worldwide, driven by the gases given off by human activity.

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Post by Syl on Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:58 pm

Nine of the 10 hottest years ever recorded have occurred since 2000.

Pity they didn't reach Manchester. Rolling Eyes


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/29/met-office-confirms-new-uk-record-temperature-of-387c

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Post by Andy on Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:27 pm

Your chum Tommy says the Met Office are lying and are wrong.

Do you believe the scientists or the dullard denyer.?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:57 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

The met office doesn't do 'rough figures'...


The met office said 38.1...


For this ambiguous new temp of 38.7 to be mysteriously discovered and then need this so called verification etc, 4 days later, smells distinctly of bullshit!!!


And besides that... one hot day here in England in the summer, is nothing unusual at all...!


The summer of 76 was 3 months of heatwave...



Of course one day can't be used to prove climate change, everyone who knows a thing about climate knows that one record, one event, etc. isn't on its own proof of anything. Climate is not how hot it got in one place in one day; it's about regional trends.


And when you look back over 2000, 5000 and 10000 years... it's been warmer and cooler than now...


In fact... look back over 100s of thousands of years and we see the same!!!



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The climate change 'experts' caught lying...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11367272/Climategate-the-sequel-How-we-are-STILL-being-tricked-with-flawed-data-on-global-warming.html


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html



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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:39 am

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The Anglo' harridans fuckwit brigade are showing their true colours on here, yet again...

Redding me up for simply telling it how it is..

You pathetic bunch of braindead losers.

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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:24 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote: sunny

The Anglo' harridans fuckwit brigade are showing their true colours on here, yet again...

Redding me up for simply telling it how it is..

You pathetic bunch of braindead losers.

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I would have thought you were perfectly able to redden yourself up the continuous crap you come out with. Razz

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:43 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote: sunny

The Anglo' harridans fuckwit brigade are showing their true colours on here, yet again...

Redding me up for simply telling it how it is..

You pathetic bunch of braindead losers.

rabbit

Since you claim to know so much about science, why don't you actually debate some of the perfectly valid points raised by others instead of always reverting to your childish default position of acting like a toddler who's just had his tube of Smarties stolen and abusively screaming and foot stamping at anyone who dares to express an alternative point of view.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:44 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:


The climate change 'experts' caught lying...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11367272/Climategate-the-sequel-How-we-are-STILL-being-tricked-with-flawed-data-on-global-warming.html


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html





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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:01 am

First Hi to everybody.

It's odd the thing you come across surfing the internet, and it was this post that spurred me to join.

To point out that Christopher Booker the author of the links you provided was one of the last remaining regular outlets for outright climate science denial in the UK’s mainstream press and that three of his favourite fallacies:

   Climate change is a con;
   More renewables mean the UK’s lights go out;
   India and China aren’t doing anything to cut their emissions, so why should the UK?

Each of these arguments has been debunked many, many times.

There is a huge consensus within climate science that rising temperatures is an extremely serious problem.as evidenced by, our own eyes and the latest IPCC report saying the world has to take action within 12 years to keep warming to a vaguely ‘safe’ level.

I am painfully aware that The climate deniers will not accept this, But it is a fact. like it or not

the UK’s lights haven’t gone out the UK’s electricity grid works perfectly 99.99999 percent of the time, even with renewables providing record-breaking amounts of power. in fact So far this year, Scotland's wind turbines have produced almost double the amount of wind energy needed to power every household in Scotland between January and July of 2019, Scotland generated 9,831,320 megawatt hours (MWh) of wind energy, as per data recorded by Weather Energy.

That's enough to power 182 percent of all 4.47 million Scottish homes, or nearly 100 percent of homes in both Scotland and the North of England, and i don't think that includes solar or hydro. So no the lights are not going out with more renewable energy Sources as he claimed

And China and India, with some hiccups, are definitely stepping up to the plate on climate change, to an extent. China is even being lauded as the world’s de facto climate leader after the US vacated that position in the wake of Trump’s  pulling the country out of the Paris Agreement. They know Unlike the U.S. president that transitioning from fossil fuels to renewable energy will ensure long-term economic development.

In fact China is moving to cut its CO2 emissions much faster than anyone expected, and is now on a path to achieving its Paris climate commitments, including peaking its CO2 emissions, well before its 2030 goal. China is on track to cutting its CO2 emissions by 0.5 percent this year as it burns less coal, building on a 0.7 percent reduction last year, and contributing to a global slowdown in CO2 emissions growth. it is true the largest power producers in China have asked the government to allow for the development of between 300 and 500 new coal power plants by 2030 in a move that could single-handedly jeopardise global climate change targets.However the Chinese government has not adopted the industry proposal.

Interestingly in his final column, Booker failed to mention that many of his arguments were based on the work of climate science denier blogger Paul Homewood not any actual science. you can read about Mr Homewoods claims here

GranthamInstitute/news/climate-change-deniers-trying-to-fool-the-public-again-about-extreme-weather/

You will have copy and search the above title ,as i am not able to post external links

Booker will die believing organisations with the science and incontrovertible evidence on their websites, like Nasa, NOAA, NCAR, the Royal Society, National Academy of Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Physical Society, American Chemical Society etc etc etc, and about 70,000 expert climate scientists publishing in the field, many papers in Nature and Science, are wrong and he is right.


I guess its more a case of who or what you want to believe. facts be dammed

I personally choose experts and data, over unqualified opinions, of people who have only at best a basic understanding of the underlying science.
After all i would not want somebody whom knows a bit of First Aid operating on my heart , I want a qualified surgeon who has spent years in study with qualifications in heart surgery  

I cant change your mind about climate change ,only you can do that

But the evidence is clear and only muddied because some people think they are better scientists, than actual scientists.


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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:12 am

Hi fonken

Welcome to the forum and great post.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:14 am

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Welcome to the forum and great post.
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:26 am

Cool

Welcome,  fonken...

Hopefully another rational thinking and clear-headed contributor to join the likes of Andy, Ben, Dodge, Eilzel, Quill, (veya --  wherever he is..), and my most humble self, in defending the bulwarks against the marauding anti-science and denialist hordes on here..

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Post by Andy on Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:31 am

One of the most intelligent.maiden posts I have read.
Top stuff.

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Post by Andy on Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:33 am

And more evidence.

https://mol.im/a/7314269

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:47 am

Andy wrote:One of the most intelligent.maiden posts I have read.
Top stuff.
Razz I doubt that, But thanks anyway.

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Post by Andy on Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:59 am

Just wait until you read some of the the tripe spouted from the far right, climate change denyers on here.
Luckily they are now few in number as most get themselves banned.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:35 am

fonken wrote:
phildidge wrote:Hi fonken

Welcome to the forum and great post.
Thank you.


You are welcome. Have debated this many times and sadly Tommy ignores all the countless scientifc evidence but good luck debating him

I am sure if you ask the mods, they can sort out you being able to post links

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:25 pm



The climate is always changing...


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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:41 pm

See Fonken, Tommy avoided everything you said and presents a graph with tempretures pre-1950 from one set of ice cores in Greenland. Omiting the tempretures after 1950. Knowing full well after this the tempreture soars above anything that we have had in the past. Not only that he uses one sample of the greenland cores, as if this represents gloabl tempretures. We already know what caused global warming in the past. What Tommy can never dispute is that humans are causing this today. He thus produces this graph in every single debate as if it back his stance. When it does the opposite.

He is using the graph from claims by Easterbrook. That has been doing the round since 2010. Where Tommy ignore how many other core samples have been taken since. Tommy simple turns a blind eye to the evidence and fails to even understand warming in the past

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change


Don Easterbrook like other climate deniers, have constantly olooked embarressed by their incorrect predictions.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2017/dec/19/checkmate-how-do-climate-science-deniers-predictions-stack-up


Like I say good luck with Tommy, as he basically avoids everything posted to him

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:43 pm

Welcome, and an excellent post, fonken. I really enjoyed reading that, even though I don't fully agree with some of it. But then my background is not a scientific one...in fact I truly managed to set fire (well, almost) to my school lab!

T'other 'arf is far better qualified than I (a geologist specialising in volcanology and with a PhD after her name) and while she certainly isn't a climate change denier I know she would argue with some points,  but to me, like the peace of God, it passeth all understanding!

Hope to see more from you soon.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:54 pm

Didge you belllend!!!


How many times are you going to ignore the fact that my graph had nothing to do with Easterbrook!!!???


Every time i post the GISP2 data... you start banging on about som Easterbrook twat... and I have to correct you that it has nothing to do with the twat...!!!


But then, you don't properly read or understand what i post... and you don't properly read or understand the shit you copy and paste up here either!!!

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:59 pm

[quote="Tommy Monk"]

The climate is always changing...

technically that's true. The climate has always been changing. But for various reasons, the current change that we're experiencing now is particularly alarming, and that is because in the history of human civilization, the climate has never changed this rapidly. And that's really what concerns scientists. It's not the fact that there is change, but it's the speed of that change.


Also your graph is out of date.


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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:01 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Didge you belllend!!!


How many times are you going to ignore the fact that my graph had nothing to do with Easterbrook!!!???


Every time i post the GISP2 data... you start banging on about som Easterbrook twat... and I have to correct you that it has nothing to do with the twat...!!!


But then, you don't properly read or understand what i post... and you don't properly read or understand the shit you copy and paste up here either!!!


So why present the graph when it does not show data past 1950 and is an old ice core. When there has been many since?

I have provided you with more up to date data on this

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change

So what is the point of your graph? Does it change the fact humans are creating climate change?

We know what caused this in the past, so what relevance does your graph have?

Then when you have answered me, I suggest you go back and respond to fonken points. The ones you completely avoided

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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:04 pm

fonken wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

The climate is always changing...

technically that's true. The climate has always been changing. But for various reasons, the current change that we're experiencing now is particularly alarming, and that is because in the history of human civilization, the climate has never changed this rapidly. And that's really what concerns scientists. It's not the fact that there is change, but it's the speed of that change.


Also you graph is out of date.

Have a green for your posts and good luck in this debate

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:08 pm

Is it actually getting hotter? Remember 1976? That was a very hot summer.

It feels hotter to me these days in summer, but then the building where I work seems to retain the heat, and also I think that I might feel the heat more now that I'm older. Razz

As for flooding, haven't we always had that?

I do think it's a great idea to cut down on pollution, plastics, and packaging - it's horrible to see how much waste there is and where it ends up.

Finally, I think that fonken can speak for himself/herself, and there's no need for anyone to start slagging off current members to him/her when he/she has only been here five minutes.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:11 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Is it actually getting hotter? Remember 1976? That was a very hot summer.

It feels hotter to me these days in summer, but then the building where I work seems to retain the heat, and also I think that I might feel the heat more now that I'm older. Razz

As for flooding, haven't we always had that?

I do think it's a great idea to cut down on pollution, plastics, and packaging - it's horrible to see how much waste there is and where it ends up.

Finally, I think that fonken can speak for himself/herself, and there's no need for anyone to start slagging off current members to him/her when he/she has only been here five minutes.
  

Nobody is speaking for Fonken. People are simple asking Tommy to respond to the points Fonken made. Mainly as we know how bad Tommy is at avoiding points.

Nobody has slagged anyone off, what they are doing is being critical

That is allowed, no matter how much you might not like that

Considering tommy has avoided responding to them. I would say that criticism is valid

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:14 pm

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Tommy's one ice core sample is quite meaningless, in and of itself...

Not only have there been thousands of ice core samples taken from all over the planet before and since; the majority of which contradict Tommy's errant claims, based on one lone meagre and rogue sampling..

Even those who were responsible for analysing that one core have since come out and been quoted as stating that their initial comments and suggestions have been grossly misrepresented by various climate denialists and mining&oil lobbyists over the years -- and now on here by self-declared 'genius' Tommy Monk and his idiot boosters.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:14 pm

phildidge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Is it actually getting hotter? Remember 1976? That was a very hot summer.

It feels hotter to me these days in summer, but then the building where I work seems to retain the heat, and also I think that I might feel the heat more now that I'm older. Razz

As for flooding, haven't we always had that?

I do think it's a great idea to cut down on pollution, plastics, and packaging - it's horrible to see how much waste there is and where it ends up.

Finally, I think that fonken can speak for himself/herself, and there's no need for anyone to start slagging off current members to him/her when he/she has only been here five minutes.

 

Nobody is speaking for Fonken. People are simple asking Tommy to respond to his points. Mainly as we know how bad Tommy is at avoiding points.

Nobody has slagged anyone off, what they are doing is being critical

That is allowed, no matter how much you might not like that

I see you ignored all of my points except the last one, and yet there you are telling Tommy to address fonken's points. Hypocrite.

Tommy can do what he wants, and people are slagging him off - whether you deny it or not.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:18 pm

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phildidge wrote:

 

Nobody is speaking for Fonken. People are simple asking Tommy to respond to his points. Mainly as we know how bad Tommy is at avoiding points.

Nobody has slagged anyone off, what they are doing is being critical

That is allowed, no matter how much you might not like that

I see you ignored all of my points except the last one, and yet there you are telling Tommy to address fonken's points. Hypocrite.

Tommy can do what he wants, and people are slagging him off - whether you deny it or not.


Oh I see, there was no problem here and you simple wanted to jump in and start a farcical fight

Not going to happen

Its not much of a debate when a person continually ignores posts and points placed to them

What about your other points?

So lets look at flooding. What is your point here?

Is flooding increasing with tempreture rising?

So saying it has flooded in the past is a very open statement without making an actual point on climate change

So if you are looking for a fight, its not going to happen. People can rightly speak out when someone is avoiding points

Nobody has been slagged off, so stop jumping in tring to ruin the debate

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:20 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Is it actually getting hotter? Remember 1976? That was a very hot summer.

It feels hotter to me these days in summer, but then the building where I work seems to retain the heat, and also I think that I might feel the heat more now that I'm older. Razz

As for flooding, haven't we always had that?

I do think it's a great idea to cut down on pollution, plastics, and packaging - it's horrible to see how much waste there is and where it ends up.

Finally, I think that fonken can speak for himself/herself, and there's no need for anyone to start slagging off current members to him/her when he/she has only been here five minutes.

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Keep on spouting your idiotic lies, you clueless little grub...

Plastic pollution has nothing to do directly with the current levels of accelerated climate change -- God only knows why you try to deflect and misdirect this thread with your arrogant and irrelevant bullshit ..

You, however, will simply keep on spouting whatever lies Deano and smelly' want you to.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:23 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Is it actually getting hotter? Remember 1976? That was a very hot summer.

It feels hotter to me these days in summer, but then the building where I work seems to retain the heat, and also I think that I might feel the heat more now that I'm older. Razz

As for flooding, haven't we always had that?

I do think it's a great idea to cut down on pollution, plastics, and packaging - it's horrible to see how much waste there is and where it ends up.

Finally, I think that fonken can speak for himself/herself, and there's no need for anyone to start slagging off current members to him/her when he/she has only been here five minutes.

Rolling Eyes

Keep on spouting your idiotic lies, you clueless little grub...

Plastic pollution has nothing to do directly with the current levels of accelerated climate change --  God only knows why you try to deflect and misdirect this thread with your arrogant and irrelevant bullshit ..

You, however, will simply keep on spouting whatever lies Deano and smelly' want you to.

Shut your filthy mouth, you wet, weedy moron. You're the one deflecting by slagging off other members. Are you hungover yet again?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:23 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:Didge you belllend!!!


How many times are you going to ignore the fact that my graph had nothing to do with Easterbrook!!!???


Every time i post the GISP2 data... you start banging on about som Easterbrook twat... and I have to correct you that it has nothing to do with the twat...!!!


But then, you don't properly read or understand what i post... and you don't properly read or understand the shit you copy and paste up here either!!!


So why present the graph when it does not show data past 1950 and is an old ice core. When there has been many since?

I have provided you with more up to date data on this

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change

So what is the point of your graph? Does it change the fact humans are creating climate change?

We know what caused this in the past, so what relevance does your graph have?

Then when you have answered me, I suggest you go back and respond to fonken points. The ones you completely avoided


We know what has happened since 1950... in fact the warming has only been about 0.7 degrees C over the last 100 or so years...


And given that we have come out of the cold period known as the "mini ice age"... you would expect it to be warmer now than it was a couple hundred years ago...


In fact... we are just getting back to the long term normal warm temperatures that we had for most of the last 10000 years, before we entered into the cold period known as the "mini ice age"...



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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:24 pm

How is plastic produced, Wolfmoron? I suppose you think it falls off trees?

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:24 pm

phildidge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I see you ignored all of my points except the last one, and yet there you are telling Tommy to address fonken's points. Hypocrite.

Tommy can do what he wants, and people are slagging him off - whether you deny it or not.


Oh I see, there was no problem here and you simple wanted to jump in and start a farcical fight

Not going to happen

Its not much of a debate when a person continually ignores posts and points placed to them

What about your other points?

So lets look at flooding. What is your point here?

Is flooding increasing with tempreture rising?

So saying it has flooded in the past is a very open statement without making an actual point on climate change

So if you are looking for a fight, its not going to happen. People can rightly speak out when someone is avoiding points

Nobody has been slagged off, so stop jumping in tring to ruin the debate

Thanks

cheers

Raggamuffinski has never contributed any intelligent posts on these topics here...

Like her chums smelly', Deano and gellibelli,  Ragga' only ever trolls these threads to deflect discussion away from the topics themselves.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:30 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
phildidge wrote:


Oh I see, there was no problem here and you simple wanted to jump in and start a farcical fight

Not going to happen

Its not much of a debate when a person continually ignores posts and points placed to them

What about your other points?

So lets look at flooding. What is your point here?

Is flooding increasing with tempreture rising?

So saying it has flooded in the past is a very open statement without making an actual point on climate change

So if you are looking for a fight, its not going to happen. People can rightly speak out when someone is avoiding points

Nobody has been slagged off, so stop jumping in tring to ruin the debate

Thanks

cheers

Raggamuffinski has never contributed any intelligent posts on these topics here...

Like her chums smelly', Deano and gellibelli,  Ragga' only ever trolls these threads to deflect discussion away from the topics themselves.

None of your posts in this thread have been of any use whatsoever. Furthermore, you have two other accounts, both of which were banned - probably because you're abusive and useless. Now stop being a trolling moron and explain how pollution has nothing to do with global warming.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
phildidge wrote:


So why present the graph when it does not show data past 1950 and is an old ice core. When there has been many since?

I have provided you with more up to date data on this

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change

So what is the point of your graph? Does it change the fact humans are creating climate change?

We know what caused this in the past, so what relevance does your graph have?

Then when you have answered me, I suggest you go back and respond to fonken points. The ones you completely avoided


We know what has happened since 1950... in fact the warming has only been about 0.7 degrees C over the last 100 or so years...


And given that we have come out of the cold period known as the "mini ice age"... you would expect it to be warmer now than it was a couple hundred years ago...


In fact... we are just getting back to the long term normal warm temperatures that we had for most of the last 10000 years, before we entered into the cold period known as the "mini ice age"...




Where is your evidence to back up the above claims?

You are claiming such tempretures in the past were some how a good thing. When we see extinctions?

Come again?

Again how does any of the above dispute the fact humans are causing climate change at an alarming rate?

Which we are witnessing the effects of?

Anyway as seen you avoided Fonken's points, again.

Anyway, not going to get into another circular argument with you

The reality is you need to show humans are not cuasing claimate change and its not a potential problem

You have always failed to do that

So laters

Hopefully Folken can teach you as they clearly are clued up on this topic and know more than either of us on this

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:33 pm

phildidge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I see you ignored all of my points except the last one, and yet there you are telling Tommy to address fonken's points. Hypocrite.

Tommy can do what he wants, and people are slagging him off - whether you deny it or not.


Oh I see, there was no problem here and you simple wanted to jump in and start a farcical fight

Not going to happen

Its not much of a debate when a person continually ignores posts and points placed to them

What about your other points?

So lets look at flooding. What is your point here?

Is flooding increasing with tempreture rising?

So saying it has flooded in the past is a very open statement without making an actual point on climate change

So if you are looking for a fight, its not going to happen. People can rightly speak out when someone is avoiding points.

Nobody has been slagged off, so stop jumping in tring to ruin the debate

Thanks

Are you saying that global warming is nothing to do with flooding? Stop looking for a fight and stick to the subject. Let fonken address Tommy and keep your beak out.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:34 pm

fonken this, fonken that. Didge, are you that desperate for a new mate?

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Post by phildidge on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:35 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
phildidge wrote:


Oh I see, there was no problem here and you simple wanted to jump in and start a farcical fight

Not going to happen

Its not much of a debate when a person continually ignores posts and points placed to them

What about your other points?

So lets look at flooding. What is your point here?

Is flooding increasing with tempreture rising?

So saying it has flooded in the past is a very open statement without making an actual point on climate change

So if you are looking for a fight, its not going to happen. People can rightly speak out when someone is avoiding points.

Nobody has been slagged off, so stop jumping in tring to ruin the debate

Thanks

Are you saying that global warming is nothing to do with flooding? Stop looking for a fight and stick to the subject. Let fonken address Tommy and keep your beak out.


1) Where did i state that? never did, your words, not mine

2) You spoke about flooding in the past. What relevance does your point have to todays levels of flooding?

3. I will say as I please no matter how much you are desperate to attempt to silence people.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:37 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote: sunny

Tommy's one ice core sample is quite meaningless, in and of itself...

Not only have there been thousands of ice core samples taken from all over the planet before and since;  the majority of which contradict Tommy's errant claims, based on one lone meagre and rogue sampling..

Even those who were responsible for analysing that one core have since come out and been quoted as stating that their initial comments and suggestions have been grossly misrepresented by various climate denialists and mining&oil lobbyists over the years --  and now on here by self-declared 'genius' Tommy Monk and his idiot boosters.


That's just you posting words...


I've asked you before to produce some evidence to back up your claims... and you just ran away... as usual...!!!


lol!



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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:39 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Is it actually getting hotter? Remember 1976? That was a very hot summer.

It feels hotter to me these days in summer, but then the building where I work seems to retain the heat, and also I think that I might feel the heat more now that I'm older. Razz

As for flooding, haven't we always had that?

I do think it's a great idea to cut down on pollution, plastics, and packaging - it's horrible to see how much waste there is and where it ends up.

Finally, I think that fonken can speak for himself/herself, and there's no need for anyone to start slagging off current members to him/her when he/she has only been here five minutes.
You ask Is flooding increasing with temperature rising?

The answer is a bit more complicated than a simple yes or No.

A warmer atmosphere holds more moisture That doesn’t automatically mean more heavy rainfall because complex weather patterns govern the amount, timing and distribution of rainfall. But it does mean that with more water in the atmosphere, the volume of rainfall may increase when it does pour.

But Attributing specific events to climate change is tricky, and flooding is no exception.

Flooding occurs where heavy rainfall can’t be absorb into the ground or drain away, this is exasperated by Changes in land use, such as building houses on flood plains and paving over natural surfaces, this is making people more vulnerable to flooding.but it’s hard to be more specific than that



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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:39 pm

phildidge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you saying that global warming is nothing to do with flooding? Stop looking for a fight and stick to the subject. Let fonken address Tommy and keep your beak out.


1) Where did i state that? never did, your words, not mine

2) You spoke about flooding in the past. What relevance does your point have to todays levels of flooding?

3. I will say as I please no matter how much you are desperate to attempt to silence people.

Clearly, if there's always been flooding, things aren't necessarily getting worse.

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