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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:35 pm

It is common now to gather online with those who think as you do. Social media is said to be responsible for this extreme polarisation of views. Here, you can hang out with those who will reinforce your worldview by adding their own frisson of outrage, even if that view is that the world is flat. Don’t @ me, by the way, because I will block you. That is my prerogative. This mode of being has moved from online to the real world: many people behave as though they can block their fellow citizens.

This is the lesson of Brexit, which has brought about a maniacal state of affairs in which anecdotes have replaced data and dishonesty is not merely tolerated but applauded.

Trump says racist things, yet parts of the media are too cowardly to call them racist. Johnson lies, yet his mendacity is compared to clowning. Liberals may despair – to each other – but these are the same liberals who discuss the “white working class” and won’t see the working class as multi-ethnic; they are the same liberals who didn’t see Brexit coming, the same liberals who promised to leave Westminster more but never do. So, forgive me if I don’t pay them much attention, for I know I am part of that bubble. Indeed, when I went to work for a more rightwing newspaper – I was ostracised by part of the left – it was because I have long believed it is important to talk to Conservative voters, because I believe politics to be about persuasion. Changing hearts and minds and all that jazz.

Now, however, the bubble machine creates a politics of purity: either Corbyn is the second coming, or – as the millennarian cult of the crazed Brexiters would have it – Brexit will herald utopia. Both are delusional.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/23/how-social-media-echo-chambers-fuelled-the-rise-of-boris-johnson

We even see that here; I find people in general less and less tolerant of people who disagree with them, these days. "Oh, this site has become too this-wing or that-wing, I'm just going to leave."

I guess it is a challenge to listen to people we don't agree with, but I think we'd better be up to that challenge or society is doomed. We'd better stop retreating into places that make us feel good because everybody agrees with us there.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:39 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
It is common now to gather online with those who think as you do. Social media is said to be responsible for this extreme polarisation of views. Here, you can hang out with those who will reinforce your worldview by adding their own frisson of outrage, even if that view is that the world is flat. Don’t @ me, by the way, because I will block you. That is my prerogative. This mode of being has moved from online to the real world: many people behave as though they can block their fellow citizens.

This is the lesson of Brexit, which has brought about a maniacal state of affairs in which anecdotes have replaced data and dishonesty is not merely tolerated but applauded.

Trump says racist things, yet parts of the media are too cowardly to call them racist. Johnson lies, yet his mendacity is compared to clowning. Liberals may despair – to each other – but these are the same liberals who discuss the “white working class” and won’t see the working class as multi-ethnic; they are the same liberals who didn’t see Brexit coming, the same liberals who promised to leave Westminster more but never do. So, forgive me if I don’t pay them much attention, for I know I am part of that bubble. Indeed, when I went to work for a more rightwing newspaper – I was ostracised by part of the left – it was because I have long believed it is important to talk to Conservative voters, because I believe politics to be about persuasion. Changing hearts and minds and all that jazz.

Now, however, the bubble machine creates a politics of purity: either Corbyn is the second coming, or – as the millennarian cult of the crazed Brexiters would have it – Brexit will herald utopia. Both are delusional.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/23/how-social-media-echo-chambers-fuelled-the-rise-of-boris-johnson

We even see that here; I find people in general less and less tolerant of people who disagree with them, these days. "Oh, this site has become too this-wing or that-wing, I'm just going to leave."

I guess it is a challenge to listen to people we don't agree with, but I think we'd better be up to that challenge or society is doomed. We'd better stop retreating into places that make us feel good because everybody agrees with us there.

I follow sites of every political vein.

I don't want to act like Wolf.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:37 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/23/how-social-media-echo-chambers-fuelled-the-rise-of-boris-johnson

We even see that here; I find people in general less and less tolerant of people who disagree with them, these days. "Oh, this site has become too this-wing or that-wing, I'm just going to leave."

I guess it is a challenge to listen to people we don't agree with, but I think we'd better be up to that challenge or society is doomed. We'd better stop retreating into places that make us feel good because everybody agrees with us there.

I follow sites of every political vein.

I don't want to act like Wolf.

Smile

I would much rather be that noisy and obnoxious prat who consistently stands up  for the disabled, the downtrodden, workers' rights, and our threatened environment...

Then a pathetic, blustering and clueless dopey redneck like you, Dopey Dawg --  laughingly describing yourself as "libertarian" while preaching small government and personal freedoms, but inevitably ending up sounding like a big-mouthed self-serving bully defending the bigots, greedy bosses and big business..

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Post by Jules on Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:49 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
We even see that here; I find people in general less and less tolerant of people who disagree with them, these days.

"Oh, this site has become too this-wing or that-wing, I'm just going to leave."


Hmmm. I can only speak for myself here. 
Leave? The only thing that would ever make me leave a forum would be a grossly unfair ban.
I HATE power tripping or bullying using a banstick, it ain't pretty!
I've never had a ban or basementing on here, tfft.  Laughing



IF a forum ever became so unbalanced that the % of RW-ers is overwhelmingly high, it can be unpleasant and oppressive  - but I doubt it would make me leave. Might moan a bit and start posting less and less ….. but I would not give up my membership altogether.


I generally prefer humorous bantering to political sparring anyway.

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Post by eddie on Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:21 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/23/how-social-media-echo-chambers-fuelled-the-rise-of-boris-johnson

We even see that here; I find people in general less and less tolerant of people who disagree with them, these days. "Oh, this site has become too this-wing or that-wing, I'm just going to leave."

I guess it is a challenge to listen to people we don't agree with, but I think we'd better be up to that challenge or society is doomed. We'd better stop retreating into places that make us feel good because everybody agrees with us there.

I follow sites of every political vein.

I don't want to act like Wolf.

Smile

I would much rather be that noisy and obnoxious prat who consistently stands up  for the disabled, the downtrodden, workers' rights, and our threatened environment...

Then a pathetic, blustering and clueless dopey redneck like you, Dopey Dawg --  laughingly describing yourself as "libertarian" while preaching small government and personal freedoms, but inevitably ending up sounding like a big-mouthed self-serving bully defending the bigots, greedy bosses and big business..

In
Your
Opinion.

Of course, some people might say you have a big old mouth...right? Social media is creating echo-chamber "bubbles" that polarize us politically 2190311264

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:15 pm

It can be fun to be on a forum where you are opposed to almost every single person, but if it gets too much - well birds of a feather flock together.


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Post by eddie on Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It can be fun to be on a forum where you are opposed to almost every single person, but if it gets too much - well birds of a feather flock together.


I agree. And it’s because people like to think they are right and have all the answers.
Truth is, we really don’t.

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Post by Syl on Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:41 am

I like a forum with a bit of diversity, who wants to post alongside clones of oneself?...not me.

There are a minority of posters (on most forums) who cant tolerate others having oposing views and become abusive....but that's their problem not mine.

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