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Post by Maddog on Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:07 pm

A Democratic lawmaker decried the lack of civility in Congress during Tuesday’s contentious debate over a measure to denounce Failing Idiot God’s racist attacks on four House members.


During the debate, Republicans argued that Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) comments calling Trump a racist violated the chamber’s rules of decorum. But Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), presiding as speaker pro tempore, had heard enough from both sides.

“We don’t ever, ever, want to pass up, it seems, an opportunity to escalate. And that’s what this is,” Cleaver said. “We want to just fight. I abandon the chair.”


As Cleaver spoke, he raised the gavel, then dropped it in disgust before walking off.


Cleaver, co-chair of the House Civility Caucus, later released a statement saying he’d been “increasingly frustrated with the childish rancor of our public discourse,” adding:


“Our inability to conduct ourselves in a civil and respectable fashion has paralyzed the most powerful government in the history of the world, and for what? A 10-second soundbite on prime time news and a few thousand Twitter followers? If this is what our government has come to, then we are in serious trouble as a nation.”


Cleaver urged Democrats and Republicans to work together to solve the challenges facing the country.


“I call on all of my colleagues and all of America to listen more and talk less, to show compassion for those who are in pain, and to resist the temptation to fight when others wish to escalate,” he said.

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He's right you know.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:27 pm

"Lack of civility" in Washington these days is considered an asset. I'm pleased to see the Democrats finally get off their snowflake ass.

Do the cops "show compassion" to the bank robbers? FCS, give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile. Keep your boot on the Republican neck, Congress.

Finally, some action. I expect to see AG Barr receive a formal Contempt of Congress (hopefully, one of many) today. He belongs in prison.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:52 pm

Original Quill wrote:"Lack of civility" in Washington these days is considered an asset.  I'm pleased to see the Democrats finally get off their snowflake ass.

Do the cops "show compassion" to the bank robbers?  FCS, give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile.  Keep your boot on the Republican neck, Congress.

Finally, some action.  I expect to see AG Barr receive a formal Contempt of Congress (hopefully, one of many) today.  He belongs in prison.


Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) sees things differently than you.


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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:49 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:"Lack of civility" in Washington these days is considered an asset.  I'm pleased to see the Democrats finally get off their snowflake ass.

Do the cops "show compassion" to the bank robbers?  FCS, give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile.  Keep your boot on the Republican neck, Congress.

Finally, some action.  I expect to see AG Barr receive a formal Contempt of Congress (hopefully, one of many) today.  He belongs in prison.


Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) sees things differently than you.  

The Democrats are still snowflakes. It' a strong strain in the Democratic Party. Indeed, the great President Obama cowered when called to prosecute Vice President Cheney. Oh, would some Chicago gang-bangers love to be given such deference--their crimes are no worse.

The rich and powerful are no more talented than others, they just push harder, and without conscience.

For the past 30-years or so, it's been Republicans push, Democrats pee in their pants. That's got to change, or Democrats will divide too. I'm considering leaving the Democratic Party, for another more testosterone-driven political group.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:12 pm

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Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) sees things differently than you.  

The Democrats are still snowflakes.  It' a strong strain in the Democratic Party.  Indeed, the great President Obama cowered when called to prosecute Vice President Cheney.  Oh, would some Chicago gang-bangers love to be given such deference--their crimes are no worse.  

The rich and powerful are no more talented than others, they just push harder, and without conscience.

For the past 30-years or so, it's been Republicans push, Democrats pee in their pants.  That's got to change, or Democrats will divide too.  I'm considering leaving the Democratic Party, for another more testosterone-driven political group.

So now we have better government? Rolling Eyes

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:32 pm

Maddog wrote:
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The Democrats are still snowflakes.  It' a strong strain in the Democratic Party.  Indeed, the great President Obama cowered when called to prosecute Vice President Cheney.  Oh, would some Chicago gang-bangers love to be given such deference--their crimes are no worse.  

The rich and powerful are no more talented than others, they just push harder, and without conscience.

For the past 30-years or so, it's been Republicans push, Democrats pee in their pants.  That's got to change, or Democrats will divide too.  I'm considering leaving the Democratic Party, for another more testosterone-driven political group.

So now we have better government? Rolling Eyes

Yes, with concentration camps, no healthcare, financial failure for all but the rich, together with Republican torture, rendition and rape.

It's the beginning of the decline and fall of the US Empire.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:21 pm

Original Quill wrote:
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So now we have better government? Rolling Eyes

Yes, with concentration camps, no healthcare, financial failure for all but the rich, together with Republican torture, rendition and rape.

It's the beginning of the decline and fall of the US Empire.

We don't have concentration camps, we have the same healthcare we have always had, and very few people are failing financially.

Nice try though.

You are exactly who Emanuel Cleaver is talking about.

“Our inability to conduct ourselves in a civil and respectable fashion has paralyzed the most powerful government in the history of the world, and for what? A 10-second soundbite on prime time news and a few thousand Twitter followers? If this is what our government has come to, then we are in serious trouble as a nation.”

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:38 pm

Maddog wrote:
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Yes, with concentration camps, no healthcare, financial failure for all but the rich, together with Republican torture, rendition and rape.

It's the beginning of the decline and fall of the US Empire.

We don't have concentration camps...

Nice try though.

Um...if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, chances are it's a duck. Concentration camps are intended to ethnically cleanse a population, and in this case, separate the non white persons from the whites.

The US has concentration camps in Guantanamo Bay, Homestead Florida, and various in Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Trust me, it's a duck. Wink

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:56 pm

Maddog wrote:
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Yes, with concentration camps, no healthcare, financial failure for all but the rich, together with Republican torture, rendition and rape.

It's the beginning of the decline and fall of the US Empire.

You are exactly who Emanuel Cleaver is talking about.

“Our inability to conduct ourselves in a civil and respectable fashion has paralyzed the most powerful government in the history of the world, and for what? A 10-second soundbite on prime time news and a few thousand Twitter followers? If this is what our government has come to, then we are in serious trouble as a nation.”

Is this Cleaver chap any relationship to Neville Chamberlain, the appeaser?  The prime mover of incivility in government is Donald Trump.  If Republicans can't control Trump, how the fook do you expect that Democrats can?

The cops don't help the robbers rob the bank.  "Civil and respectable fashion" is way out, over the horizon.  Trump has exposed how fractious the US is.  If there is to be any 'across-the-aisle', it will come when the various parts separate and then coalesce, and define themselves.

Besides, California is tired of paying for the broke and defunct south.  You're a libertarian.  You should understand why we don't need any southern baggage.

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