French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by phildidge on Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:03 pm

JTA — A Muslim man who killed his Jewish neighbor in Paris while shouting about Allah is probably not criminally responsible for his actions because he had smoked marijuana beforehand, a French judge ruled.

The preliminary ruling in the trial of Kobili Traore for the 2017 murder of Sarah Halimi came Friday from a judge of inquiry — a magistrate that in the French justice system is tasked with deciding whether indicted defendants should in fact stand trial.

Francis Khalifat, the president of the CRIF umbrella group of French Jewish communities, called the ruling “unsurprising but hardly justifiable.” He said his group and others will appeal in hopes of bringing Traore to trial.

He could be hospitalized for treatment of his psychotic lapses or made to attend a drug rehabilitation program, or he could be released.

Khalifat’s op-ed published Monday on the CRIF website follows a series of protests over perceived delays in Traore’s trial and the efforts, including by judges, that CRIF and others have condemned as attempts to prevent a murder trial.

Sammy Ghozlan, a former police commissioner and founder of France’s Bureau for Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in May that the handling of the Halimi case has made him “no longer have full confidence that anti-Semitic hate crimes in France are handled properly.”

Traore pummeled Halimi, a physician and kindergarten teacher, for an hour as police stood outside the woman’s door, according to reports. He shouted about Allah and called her a “demon” before throwing her to her death. Traore had called Halimi’s daughter “dirty Jewess” two years before killing the mother, the daughter has said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-judge-rules-jewish-womans-killer-not-responsible-because-he-smoked-weed/

No

phildidge

Posts : 9476
Join date : 2018-11-16

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:40 pm

It's an 'temporary insanity' defense. We've had that for almost two centuries. Many jurisdictions define legal insanity according to the M’Naghten Test, developed in an 1843 English case. An offender is insane under this test if mental illness prevents the offender from knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Under the defense of 'temporary insanity', the perp claims he underwent a psychotic episode for the period during which the homicide was committed. I gather the theory is that the weed triggered it.

Keep us posted.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 30514
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by phildidge on Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:43 pm

Original Quill wrote:It's an 'temporary insanity' defense.  We've had that for almost two centuries.  Many jurisdictions define legal insanity according to the M’Naghten Test, developed in an 1843 English case. An offender is insane under this test if mental illness prevents the offender from knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Under the defense of 'temporary insanity', the perp claims he underwent a psychotic episode for the period during which the homicide was committed.  I gather the theory is that the weed triggered it.

Keep us posted.

Two excellent rational posts in a row

You are back off ignore, so keep up being the intelligent Quill I know you can be

All the best

phildidge

Posts : 9476
Join date : 2018-11-16

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:00 pm

phildidge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:It's an 'temporary insanity' defense.  We've had that for almost two centuries.  Many jurisdictions define legal insanity according to the M’Naghten Test, developed in an 1843 English case. An offender is insane under this test if mental illness prevents the offender from knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Under the defense of 'temporary insanity', the perp claims he underwent a psychotic episode for the period during which the homicide was committed.  I gather the theory is that the weed triggered it.

Keep us posted.

Two excellent rational posts in a row

You are back off ignore, so keep up being the intelligent Quill I know you can be

All the best

It's just a probable explanation of the judge's ruling.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 30514
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:10 pm

In this case, it's laughable bullshit if the judge really thinks marijuana can trigger a murderous rage.

_________________
"Some would call it happiness, but I like to think that what I found is me. That sounds simple enough, but the truth is, it took quite a while to do it."

- Willie Nelson
Ben Reilly
Ben Reilly
Cowboy King. Dread Pirate of the Guadalupe. God of Thunder.

Posts : 27704
Join date : 2013-01-19
Age : 44
Location : Tesco's

http://www.newsfixboard.com

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by phildidge on Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:12 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:In this case, it's laughable bullshit if the judge really thinks marijuana can trigger a murderous rage.

Exactly, have a green

phildidge

Posts : 9476
Join date : 2018-11-16

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by eddie on Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:36 pm

I’ve never known anyone who smokes weed even to have the effort to get up off the sofa unless it’s to grab something to munch on.

_________________
WHEN YOU TALK, YOU ARE ONLY REPEATING WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW.
BUT IF YOU LISTEN, YOU MAY LEARN SOMETHING NEW.

~ Dalai Lama
eddie
eddie
King of Beards. Keeper of the Whip. Top Chef. BEES!!!!!! Mushroom muncher. Spider aficionado!

Posts : 39683
Join date : 2013-07-28
Age : 49
Location : England

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by Jules on Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:34 am

Run some tests on that judge, take hair samples & everything!

_________________
Live Love Laugh
Jules
Jules

Posts : 3611
Join date : 2016-07-30
Location : Vantage Point

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:37 am



The french authorities have tried to cover this anti semitic race hate crime up since it happened... denying it was anything to do with Islamist hatred of Jews from the start...



_________________
“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.'  — George Orwell
Tommy Monk
Tommy Monk

Posts : 23094
Join date : 2014-02-12

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by Original Quill on Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:48 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

The french authorities have tried to cover this anti semitic race hate crime up since it happened... denying it was anything to do with Islamist hatred of Jews from the start...

Where do you see that. Link please.

_________________
“Little thieves are hanged, but great thieves are praised.” — Old Russian proverb, offered by Vladimir Putin to Donald J. Trump, Helsinki, July, 2018.

"I don't stand by anything."  ― Donald Trump, interview with John Dickerson, 5.1.17...

Normal is broken.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
Original Quill
Original Quill

Posts : 30514
Join date : 2013-12-19
Age : 54
Location : Northern California

Back to top Go down

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed Empty Re: French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:16 am

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

The french authorities have tried to cover this anti semitic race hate crime up since it happened... denying it was anything to do with Islamist hatred of Jews from the start...

Where do you see that.  Link please.

I checked out the murder, which happened two years ago, on Wikipedia and I'm thinking Tommy's got a good point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Halimi

_________________
"Some would call it happiness, but I like to think that what I found is me. That sounds simple enough, but the truth is, it took quite a while to do it."

- Willie Nelson
Ben Reilly
Ben Reilly
Cowboy King. Dread Pirate of the Guadalupe. God of Thunder.

Posts : 27704
Join date : 2013-01-19
Age : 44
Location : Tesco's

http://www.newsfixboard.com

Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum