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Post by phildidge on Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:51 pm

Thanks to a citizen journalist, Canadian media have failed to boycott controversial human rights tribunal hearings in Vancouver.

On July 4 and 5, 2019, no media were present when the BC Human Rights tribunal heard two of the complaints filed by JY, a transgender person with male genitalia. JY contacted over a dozen BC estheticians in 2018 to request a Brazilian bikini wax. JY often used a stereotypical male name and image when contacting the aestheticians on Facebook Marketplace; the women then informed JY that they only waxed women.

A Twitter-user with 2,500 followers, “going-like-elsie” (#mythologicalbiologicalfemale) states “my feminism prioritizes the material condition of women over the internal identification of men.” @goinglikeelsie has been tweeting a meticulous play-by-play synopsis of what transpired at two hearings on July 4 and 5, that has now been read by thousands of people across the globe.

Claiming discrimination on the basis of “gender expression and gender identity,” JY withdrew the first three complaints. JY did so each time, JY learned that the other side had retained a lawyer to defend against the claim. Prior to withdrawing the complaints, JY was demanding money from the women in “settlement” of the complaint, asking as much as $3,000. One can only speculate as to how much money JY has received in settlement from the women against whom JY commenced legal proceedings.

Considering the contents of the tweets, from which the information below is taken, it’s truly surprising that no Canadian media were present to report on the hearing. Why is this?

SB, a Sikh woman who declined to provide genital waving services to JY, was working out of her own home, where young children were present, when contacted by JY. In her Sikh faith, intimate touching is reserved only for one’s husband. SB has always refused to provide services for men, and won’t even do facials. She provides waxing services to women to help support her family.

Justice Centre lawyer Jay Cameron argued that waxing female and male genitals is different. Since SB has no experience waxing male genitals, she has a bona fide occupational reason not to perform the service. In addition, SB is not comfortable waxing male genitals for both religious and personal safety reasons, since she was working out of her own home with small children, and her husband was away at work.

SB is not being asked to wax a gender identity, but male genitalia. Since JY presented with a stereotypical male name and male appearance, SB cannot be faulted for perceiving JY as male. Further, JY has made statements about immigrants to the effect that they are “not the cleanest people”, “liars” and “judgmental.” For the Tribunal to rule in favour of JY by finding that the BC Human Rights Code was violated would amount to requiring SB (and other women) to provide an intimate service and handle male genitals.

In one communication, JY asked SB if services could be received while on one’s period, asking this ostensibly to test SB’s professionalism. Using one Facebook account, which has a female picture that is not JY, JY suggested that SB could work around a tampon because JY was on JY’s period. Later during the hearing, JY conceded that JY was not menstruating, and had lied to SB about that. JY also admitted to having male genitalia, consistent with one of JY’s communications prior to the hearing.

JY claimed that gender identity is not psychological; female is female if legally so, therefore JY is entitled to receive services for women. JY stated that the refusal of “gender affirmative care” affects health, and discrimination also affects trans men.

JY’s current driver’s license has a female name, but the change was made only after JY had filed human rights complaints. The same goes for JY’s legal name, also changed after filing complaints.

The Justice Centre obtained an expert to give testimony regarding waxing. The expert witness, AB, has 29 years of experience in waxing, operates a waxing salon for men only, and also teaches at a well-known aesthetic school.

AB started out providing services from her home, and discussed the risks involved with this. To wax a male client, AB must handle his scrotum and the shaft of the penis. Many men get erections. Some men ask for sex, and when this request is refused, some get angry. AB has been called “bitch,” “slut” and worse.

Angry men are very intimidating to staff at the male-only waxing salon. As a teacher, AB does not and cannot teach male waxing, because some students are under 18, and some have religious objections to handling male genitals.

There is no accredited program for male waxing, but AB teaches the technique through her salon. The ideal wax used for male genitals is different because the skin is very thin, and waxing can cause injury if not done properly.

JY asked SB if she would provide service to post-operative trans women. SB responded that she would wax a vagina, but not male genitals. JY asked why SB would provide haircuts for post-operative trans women, to which SB responded that they don’t have a penis on their head.

The proceedings were interrupted repeatedly by JY’s parent. At one point the parent called in paramedics, who came into the hearing room and asked JY if JY was okay. JY’s parent later called the police, who also came to the building, but succeeded in calming the parent down. The Tribunal eventually told JY’s parent that continued disruptions of the proceedings would result in the parent being barred from the hearing room.

So why did the Canadian media boycott the July 4 and 5 hearings? And why will they likely boycott the next hearing on Wednesday July 17?

Perhaps media do not want to harm or undermine, or even question, the absurdity to which political correctness has pushed Canada’s society, culture and laws.

For someone with male genitalia to bring forward a “human rights” claim to being legally entitled to have male genitals handled by an unwilling woman exposes the absurdity – and the real dangers – of progressive ideology.

JY demonstrates how human rights laws can be utilized to abuse and infringe the Charter rights to liberty and security of the person, which protects a female esthetician from being legally coerced into providing intimate services on male genitalia.

Perhaps the media are in denial about their own bias, and would rather that nobody found out about JY’s human rights claim. Reporting on these cases would hurt their cause.


https://www.thepostmillennial.com/mainstream-media-ignores-the-inconvenient-truth-of-b-c-transgender-male-genitalia-waxing-case/?fbclid=IwAR3ZlaNdDs3dQsMay2AyDKM4uyWuDzquQ3R2iJpOTpo705imxubTAHQxbkA


You can read the transcript from the case and its conclusions below.

https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bchrt/doc/2019/2019bchrt106/2019bchrt106.html?autocompleteStr=17587&autocompletePos=1

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:41 am

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I reckon the drag queen filing those "discrimination" complaints is actually more of a scamster looking for another "easy" income stream to top up his female impersonator act...

If he kept on looking a little more seriously, no doubt he could find several, if not dozens even, of those beauticians in a city as large as Vancouver, who already regularly have male clients, including transgender and transvestite varieties..

Yet, every time a beautician says she doesn't wax males, he attempts to blackmail her for $3,000, threatening 'legal action' otherwise  !

If the Canadian authorities and media don't stop pussyfutting around these issues and giving too much leniency to such whacky legal/social "try ons", they could be heading for an inevitable backlash of their own making that they won't be too happy with ?

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:08 am

A Brazilian bikini wax?  Male body hair doesn't even grow the same way.  Only women have that neat, triangular patch, pointing to the happy place. I know a Brazilian job leaves you barren, but still there are ways and skills to get there. And that pole in the middle might confuse some.

Now, if jy went and asked for a bleached asshole, that would be truly genderless.  We all have assholes...boys and girls.  Even dogs have assholes.  Some are 100% all asshole.  But let's not get into that.

I could see some beautician saying she had no skills in the ways of body hair on the male body.  Could be an honest answer.  But, bleaching assholes is a singular, genderless skill.

I'm just saying...if jy wanted to find something to file over.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:32 am

Truth is a tricky thing. For some people, it’s a scary thing.

Publication bans, rules which prevent those of us in the media from discussing or reporting upon truths, can offer some solace to those who would rather the truth not be disseminated.

The truth has proven itself to be a very scary thing for Jessica Yaniv, whose birth and legal pre-transition name is Johnathan Yaniv. There can be no other explanation for someone who has taken such effort to scrub any discussion of herself away, weaponizing both the law and private social media platforms against anyone who has attempted to shine a light on the problematic nature of her behaviour.

In June of 2018, Yaniv was granted a publication ban which prevented the media from publishing both her name, or legally exploring details of her history. Details which would have proved pertinent in any discussion of a controversial figure, but especially one whose actions would ultimately impact Canadian law as a whole.

Fortunately, as of July 17th, 2019, and thanks to the work of the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms the publication ban is now lifted, as is the muzzle on the truth about Jessica Yaniv.

In 2018, Yaniv filed 16 human rights complaints with the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal, charging various waxing and esthetic salon workers with transphobic discrimination for declining to provide waxing and other beautification services to her male genitals.


https://www.thepostmillennial.com/the-truth-about-jessica-yaniv-is-beginning-to-emerge/

Not only is a clear to me this sexual predator is masking behind transgenderism to facility his sick pervese beliefs. Its clear he is a vile racist. Have a good read through. He is in the end going to damage things for transgenders. As this is the problem with self ID. Sexual predators are always going to exploit this

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:09 pm

phil wrote:Not only is a clear to me this sexual predator is masking behind transgenderism to facility his sick pervese beliefs. Its clear he is a vile racist. Have a good read through. He is in the end going to damage things for transgenders. As this is the problem with self ID. Sexual predators are always going to exploit this

You call him a sexual predator. Do you have his arrest records? Convictions? Does he like underaged girls, like Trump and Epstein? Any of them stepped forward to tell their stories?

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Post by nicko on Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:50 pm

Have Trump or Epstein ever been charged ?
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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:01 pm

nicko wrote:Have Trump or Epstein ever been charged ?

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Epstein has been arrested, charged and convicted on a couple of occasions...

Trump has sullied his own reputation with his multiple friendships and associations with recognised known/convicted rapists and sex offenders;  and has been recorded in earlier conversations discussing underage girls with a couple of them; while also reputedly buying his way out of earlier potential charges himself..

And it is a mark of the oily horrible little man that he is how he keeps on dodging any charges, while distancing himself from his former buddies after their convictions.

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nicko wrote:Have Trump or Epstein ever been charged ?

Epstein has been charged, and is being held 'no-bond' while awaiting trial.  Most likely, he will never see the outside of a prison in his remaining lifetime.

Trump cannot be charged because in the US the president is above the law.  The US Attorney General's Office has made that determination in an advisory opinion.  You could have a sex tape of him raping two 4-year old girls, and he could not be charged.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:38 pm

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phil wrote:Not only is a clear to me this sexual predator is masking behind transgenderism to facility his sick pervese beliefs. Its clear he is a vile racist. Have a good read through. He is in the end going to damage things for transgenders. As this is the problem with self ID. Sexual predators are always going to exploit this

You call him a sexual predator.  Do you have his arrest records?  Convictions?  Does he like underaged girls, like Trump and Epstein?  Any of them stepped forward to tell their stories?

You think someone has to have an arresst record to be a sexual predator now do you?

I suggest you read the article and previously before clearly defending a sick sexual predator

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:50 pm

What happens when a giant tech company, a kangaroo court style human rights tribunal system, and the media all favour identity politics over facts?

The case of Jessica Yaniv occurs.

Yaniv is a transgender woman with male genitalia.

To her large army of largely fake or inactive Twitter followers she is the Editor-In-Chief of TrustedNerd.com, a model, a product reviewer, a digital marketing expert, and an LGBTQ2SIA & human rights activist.

For many outside of that circle, she is known for having been the alleged cause of both Feminist Current founder Meghan Murphy’s and free speech activist Lindsay Shepherd’s permanent bans from Twitter. For some, as described in a blog post by B.C. NDP VP and potential candidate Morgane Oger, she is known for her alleged history of potentially predatory behaviour.

This includes her apparent interest in helping 11 and 12-year-old girls insert their tampons.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/there-are-only-losers-in-the-sad-saga-of-jessica-yaniv/

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Post by @lex on Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:25 am

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I reckon the drag queen filing those "discrimination" complaints is actually more of a scamster looking for another "easy" income stream to top up his female impersonator act...

JY's argument seems to be that, given gender identity - defined here as JY's "sense of them self as female" - is a protected characteristic in the British Columbia Human Rights Code, they are legally a woman. Presumably they would object to the term "drag queen" as discriminatory.
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Post by phildidge on Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:35 am

A transgender Canadian woman who claims that salons have discriminated against her for her gender identity and male genitalia is now being accused of sexually inappropriate communications with a minor.

Transgender activist Jessica Yaniv, from Vancouver, B.C., filed an official complaint with B.C. Human Rights Tribunal in 2018, alleging that more than a dozen salons in the area refused services like manicures, facials and waxing — Brazilian and otherwise — because she is trans.

After her name was released to the press this week, the 32-year-old has spoken publicly about the issue, prompting critics to debate and attack her online — with some going so far as to sling anti-trans insults.

Yaniv is a male to female transgender woman who has not yet had sex-reassignment surgery, meaning she has male genitalia.

The owner of one salon named in the complaint has said it's not about Yaniv being trans, but that she doesn't wax male genitalia, and would have performed a Brazilian on Yaniv if she had already completed what is often referred to as 'bottom surgery' to remove her penis.

Supporters of the salons have said forcing a waxer to handle a penis when they don't want to is wrong, regardless of the gender identity of the person it is attached.

Yaniv herself has said 'it is OK [to refuse to wax male genitalia],' but added 'it all depends how' the refusal is framed.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7290219/Trans-woman-claims-salons-discriminated-against-accused-child-sexual-exploitation.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top

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Post by gelico on Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:01 pm




This bloke is a paedophile

pure and simple


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Post by phildidge on Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:05 pm

gelico wrote:


This bloke is a paedophile

pure and simple


Exactly gelico and this is the problem that many women have feared over with self ID laws. Its going to allow sexual predators to be able to exploit said laws.

You may find this article interesting on this

https://quillette.com/2019/07/25/a-canadian-human-rights-spectacle-exposes-the-risks-of-unfettered-gender-self-id/

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:41 pm

phil wrote:You think someone has to have an arresst record to be a sexual predator now do you?

It helps.  A conviction record is even better.  Otherwise, it's just Mainstream media ignores the inconvenient truth of B.C. transgender male genitalia waxing case 1177314732

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Post by phildidge on Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:53 pm

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phil wrote:You think someone has to have an arresst record to be a sexual predator now do you?

It helps.  A conviction record is even better.  Otherwise, it's just Mainstream media ignores the inconvenient truth of B.C. transgender male genitalia waxing case 1177314732

No its actaully documented the actions of this person on social media, how is that then just words?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:05 pm

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It helps.  A conviction record is even better.  Otherwise, it's just Mainstream media ignores the inconvenient truth of B.C. transgender male genitalia waxing case 1177314732

No its actaully documented the actions of this person on social media, how is that then just words?

Because there is no competent proof. Anyone can fake it on the Internet. The Russians make an art form of faking it.

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No its actaully documented the actions of this person on social media, how is that then just words?

Because there is no competent proof.  Anyone can fake it on the Internet.  The Russians make an art form of faking it.

Yes there is, when it is linked and documented on his/her now current twitter account

How do you explain that then?

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:02 pm

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Because there is no competent proof. Anyone can fake it on the Internet. The Russians make an art form of faking it.

Yes there is, when it is linked and documented on his/her now current twitter account

How do you explain that then?

As I said, the Russians faked it.

It may not be the Russians; could be anybody. But altering "document[s]" are dime-a-dozen these days. It's in the class of false evidence. Like false identity, no one believes it isn’t you until you can prove innocence.

The reason I say the Russians is that the GRU of the Russian military, under the name of the Internet Research Agency, have perfected the art of hacking into programs and altering what someone says. Frankly, they threw our last election, altering the vote you cast. If it could happen there, it could happen anywhere.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:58 pm

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Yes there is, when it is linked and documented on his/her now current twitter account

How do you explain that then?

As I said, the Russians faked it.

It may not be the Russians; could be anybody.  But altering "document[s]" are dime-a-dozen these days.  It's in the class of false evidence.  Like false identity, no one believes it isn’t you until you can prove innocence.

The reason I say the Russians is that the GRU of the Russian military, under the name of the Internet Research Agency, have perfected the art of hacking into programs and altering what someone says.  Frankly, they threw our last election, altering the vote you cast.  If it could happen there, it could happen anywhere.

Stop smoking crack

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As I said, the Russians faked it.

It may not be the Russians; could be anybody.  But altering "document[s]" are dime-a-dozen these days.  It's in the class of false evidence.  Like false identity, no one believes it isn’t you until you can prove innocence.

The reason I say the Russians is that the GRU of the Russian military, under the name of the Internet Research Agency, have perfected the art of hacking into programs and altering what someone says.  Frankly, they threw our last election, altering the vote you cast.  If it could happen there, it could happen anywhere.

Stop smoking crack

If you want to be one of the naive minions, be my guest. I'll take my precautions for myself.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:44 pm

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/jessica-yanivs-racism-and-anti-immigrant-sentiment-comes-to-light-with-shocking-new-evidence/

Its appalling how any of these cases went even to court knowing this sick twisted perverted fuck, clearly is racist. Being the fact all the defendents are of ethnic minoirity. How has it come to this farcical situation. Its time to stop self ID. Sorry but this proves how sexual predators will always exploit such a situation. Hence trans people are not the problem but sexual predators. The self id law, is a recipe for disaster.

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Post by eddie on Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:19 pm

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Yes there is, when it is linked and documented on his/her now current twitter account

How do you explain that then?

As I said, the Russians faked it.

It may not be the Russians; could be anybody.  But altering "document[s]" are dime-a-dozen these days.  It's in the class of false evidence.  Like false identity, no one believes it isn’t you until you can prove innocence.

The reason I say the Russians is that the GRU of the Russian military, under the name of the Internet Research Agency, have perfected the art of hacking into programs and altering what someone says.  Frankly, they threw our last election, altering the vote you cast.  If it could happen there, it could happen anywhere.

Stop smoking crack

Which part of Quill’s post makes you think he’s on crack? Are you saying that what he posted isn’t at all possible?

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Stop smoking crack

Which part of Quill’s post makes you think he’s on crack? Are you saying that what he posted isn’t at all possible?

Where is the evidence for his claim?

hence he is either unhinged or smoking crack

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eddie wrote:

Which part of Quill’s post makes you think he’s on crack? Are you saying that what he posted isn’t at all possible?

Where is the evidence for his claim?

Read the Mueller Report.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:32 pm

I mean this predator applied to the council to have a topless over 12 swimming session for LGTB people, where pare nts and guardians would not be allowed. Thankfull this was denied. That had fuck all to do with russians. The application came from this pervert and you ask me on the possibilities of Quill's claim Eddie?

For fuck sake, its come to this now posters are now entering the realms of conspiracy in order to defend a sexual predator. Even worse blaming this on the Russians. With zero evidence

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:33 pm

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Where is the evidence for his claim?

Read the Mueller Report.

Never saw anything in regards to Jessica janiv, can you point this out on the Muller report you unhinged loon?

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:37 pm

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/lgbtq-advocate-jessica-yaniv-demands-topless-swim-session-for-ages-12-no-parents-allowed/


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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:49 pm

phil wrote:...can you point this out on the Muller report you unhinged loon?

It's M-U-E-L-L-E-R report.  I think I know why you have never read it--can't find it, innit?

Part One of the report deals with Russian activities surrounding the hack of America's 2016 election.  It's all about hacking and altering what appears.

Isn't a loon a beautiful bird?

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:51 pm

Hence my point, quill is either unhinged or smocking crack

As what has this individual case got to do with claims of hacking for the US Presidential election?

Anyone?

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Post by eddie on Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:52 pm

Well didge, seems you agree with me about topics veering off topic when all you want is to stick to the OP. Razz

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phildidge wrote:Hence my point, quill is either unhinged or smocking crack

As what has this individual case got to do with claims of hacking for the US Presidential election?

Anyone?

That election is a classic example of how evidence can be fabricated.

Silly duck! Laughing

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:55 pm

So no evidence presnted by Quill the defender of sexual predators

I hope he is smocking crack, because otherwise he is knowingly defending a sexual predator. Where victims have now come forward and placed compaints with the Police

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phildidge wrote:So no evidence presnted by Quill the defender of sexual predators

I hope he is smocking crack, because otherwise he is knowingly defending a sexual predator. Where victims have now come forward and placed compaints with the Police

Cool Silly duck, stuck for an answer. Rolling Eyes

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So still no evidence from the defender of sexual predators i see

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phildidge wrote:So still no evidence from the defender of sexual predators i see

I've got nothing to prove. It's not my thread. Mainstream media ignores the inconvenient truth of B.C. transgender male genitalia waxing case 2794048296

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:15 pm

phildidge wrote:https://www.thepostmillennial.com/jessica-yanivs-racism-and-anti-immigrant-sentiment-comes-to-light-with-shocking-new-evidence/

Its appalling how any of these cases went even to court knowing this sick twisted perverted fuck, clearly is racist. Being the fact all the defendents are of ethnic minoirity. How has it come to this farcical situation. Its time to stop self ID. Sorry but this proves how sexual predators will always exploit such a situation. Hence trans people are not the problem but sexual predators. The self id law, is a recipe for disaster.

To get the thread back on track

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Post by eddie on Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:09 pm

eddie wrote:Well didge, seems you agree with me about topics veering off topic when all you want is to stick to the OP. Razz

See? Sometimes you just want to talk about the actual topic, right?

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eddie wrote:Well didge, seems you agree with me about topics veering off topic when all you want is to stick to the OP. Razz

See? Sometimes you just want to talk about the actual topic, right?

and?

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That’s what my point is whenever I start a topic for debate. Just sayin.

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eddie wrote:That’s what my point is whenever I start a topic for debate. Just sayin.

And?

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Post by eddie on Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:15 pm

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eddie wrote:That’s what my point is whenever I start a topic for debate. Just sayin.

And?

And....the next time I do it, I know you’ll now understand why.

Now I will let the topic get back on track.

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And?

And....the next time I do it, I know you’ll now understand why.

Now I will let the topic get back on track.


No I wont understand, when you base this on your own arbitrary view

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There’s an important category in logic known as reductio ad absurdum, according to which you contradict an argument by showing that its general application will produce absurd results. It has been in my mind over the past fortnight or so, as I’ve followed a human-rights tribunal in British Columbia, Canada, and watched it deal with complaints made by trans woman Jessica Yaniv (or “Jonathan Yaniv”: The person apparently goes by both names) against three aestheticians. When it comes to the notion that “gender identity”—the self-declared, subjective feeling of being a man or woman—can reasonably be taken to trump biological sex in law and daily life, Yaniv presents us with a reductio ad absurdum on two legs. For those who have not been following the case (which, oddly, has been covered by the international media, but mostly ignored by Canada’s own press), the details will sound unbelievable. Last year, Yaniv used social media to contact 16 female aestheticians in the Vancouver area, most working out of their own homes, who advertized Brazilian waxing—the removal of some …

https://quillette.com/2019/07/25/a-canadian-human-rights-spectacle-exposes-the-risks-of-unfettered-gender-self-id/

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Reductio ad absurdum is a persuasive tool, not a conclusive argument. "Absurd results" is a judgment, not a fact.

I bet more people would claim that war in Iraq was an absurd result, then a tribunal in BC.

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Post by @lex on Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:16 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Basketball


If he kept on looking a little more seriously, no doubt he could find several, if not dozens even, of those beauticians in a city as large as Vancouver, who already regularly have male clients, including transgender and transvestite varieties..


Strangely enough, JY is said to have testified July 29 to having a "manzilian" done two weeks ago. It's all a little baffling.
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Original Quill wrote:Reductio ad absurdum is a persuasive tool, not a conclusive argument.  "Absurd results" is a judgment, not a fact.

I bet more people would claim that war in Iraq was an absurd result, then a tribunal in BC.

I see the penny has still not dropped

The problem here is around self ID laws. Which are there to help transgender people. Yet by doing so, its opened up a can or worms. Allowing sexual predators to exploidt said laws and abuse them. Transgender people are not the problem here. Sexual predators and the laws enabling them, is the problem.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:22 pm

phildidge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Reductio ad absurdum is a persuasive tool, not a conclusive argument.  "Absurd results" is a judgment, not a fact.

I bet more people would claim that war in Iraq was an absurd result, then a tribunal in BC.

I see the penny has still not dropped

The problem here is around self ID laws. Which are there to help transgender people. Yet by doing so, its opened up a can or worms. Allowing sexual predators to exploidt said laws and abuse them. Transgender people are not the problem here. Sexual predators and the laws enabling them, is the problem.

I've already said I'm against self-incrimination.

But if the clinic runs tests that determine the biological status, for prospective purposes having to do with use of the blood, I see nothing wrong. As I say, it's an abandoned substance.

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Post by gelico on Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:33 pm

eddie wrote:
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And?

And....the next time I do it, I know you’ll now understand why.

Now I will let the topic get back on track.


Cool

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eddie wrote:
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And?

And....the next time I do it, I know you’ll now understand why.

Now I will let the topic get back on track.


Cool

Innit. Cool

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