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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:21 pm

An Arizona man has told authorities that he stabbed a teen to death because he felt “threatened” by the 17-year-old’s hip-hop music.

Michael Adams, 27, was charged with first-degree murder and is currently being held on $1m bail over the alleged attack of Elijah Al-Amin. According to investigators the teen was buying a soda after getting off from a late shift, and had his back turned when Adams came up behind him and stabbed him in the neck.

According to court filings, Adams told investigators he heard al-Amin listening to rap in his car before entering a Circle K grocer in Peoria, Arizona, last Thursday, in the early hours of Fourth of July.

Adams claimed it was a music genre that made him feel “unsafe” because he had been attacked in the past by people who listen to rap: specifically, “blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans”. Adams, who is white, also called those who enjoyed rap a “threat to him and the community”. In the documents, he said he needed to be “proactive rather than reactive” to the “threat” presented by the victim.


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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:49 pm

He's making up a defense. He's heard you have to be in fear of your life, before using a deadly weapon. But that does not entitle someone to walk up and murder another. Why did he have a deadly weapon poised in the first place?

The forensics alone will refute him. He's hoping an Arizona (conservative) jury will play like the jury in the Trayvon Martin case...side with the white guy regardless.

Arizona, tho' conservative, is not the south.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:54 pm

Original Quill wrote:He's making up a defense.  He's heard you have to be in fear of your life, before using a deadly weapon.  But that does not entitle someone to walk up and murder another.  Why did he have a deadly weapon poised in the first place?

The forensics alone will refute him.  He's hoping an Arizona (conservative) jury will play like the jury in the Trayvon Martin case...side with the white guy regardless.

Arizona, tho' conservative, is not the south.

George Zimmerman isn't white, and he acted in self defence. The jury acquitted him because of the evidence, not because of his colour.


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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:02 pm

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Original Quill wrote:He's making up a defense.  He's heard you have to be in fear of your life, before using a deadly weapon.  But that does not entitle someone to walk up and murder another.  Why did he have a deadly weapon poised in the first place?

The forensics alone will refute him.  He's hoping an Arizona (conservative) jury will play like the jury in the Trayvon Martin case...side with the white guy regardless.

Arizona, tho' conservative, is not the south.

George Zimmerman isn't white, and he acted in self defence. The jury acquitted him because of the evidence, not because of his colour.

He's white enough for a southerner. The southern jury acquitted Zimmerman because the other guy was black.

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George Zimmerman isn't white, and he acted in self defence. The jury acquitted him because of the evidence, not because of his colour.

He's white enough for a southerner.  The southern jury acquitted Zimmerman because the other guy was black.

Prove it. All the evidence pointed to self defence - whether you like it or not.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:12 pm

Let's not get too sidetracked on Trayvon Martin that we don't talk about the patheticness of a man who says he was justified in killing someone because of his taste in music!

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:15 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Let's not get too sidetracked on Trayvon Martin that we don't talk about the patheticness of a man who says he was justified in killing someone because of his taste in music!

That's why I say that Arizona is not southern...but I suggest the perp is.  That's the kind of thing that a southerner would say, and get away with it...but not in Arizona.  Evil or Very Mad

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Ben Reilly wrote:Let's not get too sidetracked on Trayvon Martin that we don't talk about the patheticness of a man who says he was justified in killing someone because of his taste in music!

Quill brought it up - totally off topic.

Of course this man was at fault. What's not to like about rap anyway?

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:26 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Let's not get too sidetracked on Trayvon Martin that we don't talk about the patheticness of a man who says he was justified in killing someone because of his taste in music!


Thank you for speaking out and wanting this to remain on the case and not whataboutism, in regards to a case completely unconnected case.

Well done

As I find this beyond contempt that someopne could be stabbed its claimed simple for a dislike in music. With a clear racist stance against the man. The question to ask, is whether the person wwas white listening to this, if they had of then been stabbed? If not, then this clearly was very much racially motivated. Even without that, It seems an excuse made, to enable racism for this horrific attack

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:28 pm

I imagine even the defence will have a problem defending this. They could of course claim that he's insane or something.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:34 pm

phildidge wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Let's not get too sidetracked on Trayvon Martin that we don't talk about the patheticness of a man who says he was justified in killing someone because of his taste in music!


Thank you for speaking out and wanting this to remain on the case and not whataboutism, in regards to a case completely unconnected case.

Well done

As I find this beyond contempt that someopne could be stabbed its claimed simple for a dislike in music. With a clear racist stance against the man. The question to ask, is whether the person wwas white listening to this, if they had of then been stabbed? If not, then this clearly was very much racially motivated. Even without that, It seems an excuse made, to enable racism for this horrific attack

Just last night, eddie and I listened to a little rap music ... we enjoy a bit of the ol' rapping now and again, don't we eds? Eh?

In all seriousness, yeah -- two white people in our 40s know we're safe listening to rap music; this wouldn't have happened if the victim had been white.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:35 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Let's not get too sidetracked on Trayvon Martin that we don't talk about the patheticness of a man who says he was justified in killing someone because of his taste in music!

Quill brought it up - totally off topic.

Yes, I brought it up as an example. What? Are examples not allowed? You are at fault for arguing the example...a fault I've pointed out to posters for decades.

Now get bock on subject, and forget this juvenile bullshite.

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Post by eddie on Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:36 pm

Yeah I have to be pretty drunk to listen to rap and I mostly just like dancing to the beat.

The guy in the OP simply sounds insane to me.

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Quill brought it up - totally off topic.

Yes, I brought it up as an example.  What?  Are examples not allowed?  You are at fault for arguing the example...a fault I've pointed out to posters for decades.

Now get bock on subject, and forget this juvenile bullshite.

It was a very bad example as it's nothing like this case, and you know perfectly well that if I see you make false claims about the Zimmerman trial, I'll pull you up for it.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:08 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
phildidge wrote:


Thank you for speaking out and wanting this to remain on the case and not whataboutism, in regards to a case completely unconnected case.

Well done

As I find this beyond contempt that someopne could be stabbed its claimed simple for a dislike in music. With a clear racist stance against the man. The question to ask, is whether the person wwas white listening to this, if they had of then been stabbed? If not, then this clearly was very much racially motivated. Even without that, It seems an excuse made, to enable racism for this horrific attack

Just last night, eddie and I listened to a little rap music ... we enjoy a bit of the ol' rapping now and again, don't we eds? Eh?

In all seriousness, yeah -- two white people in our 40s know we're safe listening to rap music; this wouldn't have happened if the victim had been white.


Indeed mate, its fucked up mate and clearly racist

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:16 pm

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Yes, I brought it up as an example.  What?  Are examples not allowed?  You are at fault for arguing the example...a fault I've pointed out to posters for decades.

Now get bock on subject, and forget this juvenile bullshite.

It was a very bad example as it's nothing like this case, and you know perfectly well that if I see you make false claims about the Zimmerman trial, I'll pull you up for it.

Look at you. Raggs, you are arguing the example again. It just diverts you, and is pointless. At most, you can say: 'bad example, because, etc., etc.' Its a segue back into the point of the message.

If you just treat the example as the main subject, you end up getting way off course.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:55 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:He's making up a defense.  He's heard you have to be in fear of your life, before using a deadly weapon.  But that does not entitle someone to walk up and murder another.  Why did he have a deadly weapon poised in the first place?

The forensics alone will refute him.  He's hoping an Arizona (conservative) jury will play like the jury in the Trayvon Martin case...side with the white guy regardless.

Arizona, tho' conservative, is not the south.

George Zimmerman isn't white, and he acted in self defence. The jury acquitted him because of the evidence, not because of his colour.

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"Why" to keep on lying about Zimmerman and his ilk, every time you jump in to defend various non-"black" criminals, Raggamuffin   ???

Having the hots for those baddies like Zimmerman,  perhaps..

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:38 pm

eddie wrote:Yeah I have to be pretty drunk to listen to rap and I mostly just like dancing to the beat.

The guy in the OP simply sounds insane to me.

It's hare for me to contemplate an English person and rap music together. Maybe a few Jolly O's and dancing moves like Elaine Benes, in Seinfeld.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:31 pm

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It was a very bad example as it's nothing like this case, and you know perfectly well that if I see you make false claims about the Zimmerman trial, I'll pull you up for it.

Look at you.  Raggs, you are arguing the example again.  It just diverts you, and is pointless.  At most, you can say: 'bad example, because, etc., etc.'  Its a segue back into the point of the message.

If you just treat the example as the main subject, you end up getting way off course.

You're the one who was way off course. Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman have nothing to do with this crime which is the subject of this thread, and yet you brought them up. Stop blaming others for your own actions.

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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George Zimmerman isn't white, and he acted in self defence. The jury acquitted him because of the evidence, not because of his colour.

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"Why" to keep on lying about Zimmerman and his ilk, every time you jump in to defend various non-"black" criminals, Raggamuffin   ???

Having the hots for those baddies like Zimmerman,  perhaps..

I'm not lying. I watched the evidence being given, and it was clearly self defence. You're just blinkered because Trayvon was black.

I have no personal feelings about the case, I'm interested only in the evidence. You should try that some time instead of behaving like a spoilt child who thinks it's funny to make crude comments.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:36 pm

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eddie wrote:Yeah I have to be pretty drunk to listen to rap and I mostly just like dancing to the beat.

The guy in the OP simply sounds insane to me.

It's hare for me to contemplate an English person and rap music together.  Maybe a few Jolly O's and dancing moves like Elaine Benes, in Seinfeld.


Dude, you hear tons of rap music over here! It can be stunning, almost eery at times, how similar England is to America.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:42 am

I know. I just wanted to see he Elaine Benes dance again.

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