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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:01 pm

Time Magazine wrote:

‘THE LIBERAL IDEOLOGY THAT HAS UNDERPINNED WESTERN DEMOCRACY FOR DECADES IS “OBSOLETE,” RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN SAID IN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE FINANCIAL TIMES PUBLISHED FRIDAY.

AND THE WASHINGTON POST ADDED:

‘SPEAKING TO THE FT ON THE EVE OF THE G20 SUMMIT IN OSAKA, JAPAN, DURING WHICH WORLD LEADERS WILL DISCUSS TRADE, SECURITY AND OTHER MATTERS, PUTIN SAID “THE LIBERAL IDEA” HAD “OUTLIVED ITS PURPOSE” AND “COME INTO CONFLICT WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION.”’

‘WHEN A REPORTER ASKED IF THE PRESIDENT AGREED WITH PUTIN’S SUGGESTION, IN A RECENT NEWSPAPER INTERVIEW, THAT “WESTERN-STYLE LIBERALISM” WAS IN DECLINE, TRUMP HAD ANOTHER THING IN MIND.

‘HE CRITICIZED THE CITIES OF LOS ANGELES AND SAN FRANCISCO, WHICH HE SAID ARE “SAD TO LOOK AT” BECAUSE THEY ARE “RUN BY LIBERAL PEOPLE.”’

https://bipartisanreport.com/2019/06/29/trump-just-agreed-with-putin-that-democracy-is-dead/

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:15 pm

So basically, Trump doesn't know what liberal democracy means, and associates it with the left.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:27 pm

The word liberal means whatever in the hell you want it to mean anymore.


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Post by Maddog on Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:29 pm

government is at best “a necessary evil"

This is hardly a position taken by a modern liberal, yet the article alludes to this comment.

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Ben Reilly wrote:So basically, Trump doesn't know what liberal democracy means, and associates it with the left.

I'm afraid so.  Putin was talking favorably about an illiberal democracy, and Trump was agreeing with him.  But, yes, he was confusing basic 17th-century liberal democracy with liberalism, known as 'lefties' today.

I'm sure he doesn't even know he made such an ignorant gaff.  But I promise, it will come back to haunt him.  Can we get his grades at the University of Pennsylvania now?

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:07 am

Maddog wrote:
The word liberal means whatever in the hell you want it to mean anymore.

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Piss off and get yourself a proper education, dipstick...

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:11 am

Maddog wrote: government is at best “a necessary evil"

This is hardly a position taken by a modern liberal, yet the article alludes to this comment.  

Laughing

What the fuck would you know about "modern liberals" ???

You keep on creating new bullshit definitions for words and themes to fit your own redneck agendas, every time you see yourself on the losing end of these discussions..

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:17 am

Ben Reilly wrote:

So basically, Trump doesn't know what liberal democracy means, and associates it with the left.

Smile

And let's not ignore Putin's reference to "the overwhelming majority of the population".

Seems to me that Putin's concept of the "overwheming majority" are those who actually control much of the wealth in a country -- i.e. the oligarchs, corporatists and financiers..

Where the true majority -- the workers, the poor, the 'great unwashed' -- simply don't count in their machinations...

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:04 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote: government is at best “a necessary evil"

This is hardly a position taken by a modern liberal, yet the article alludes to this comment.  

Laughing

What the fuck would you know about "modern liberals"  ???

You keep on creating new bullshit definitions for words and themes to fit your own redneck agendas, every time you see yourself on the losing end of these discussions..

Do modern liberals consider government a "necessary evil"?

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:05 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:
The word liberal means whatever in the hell you want it to mean anymore.

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Piss off and get yourself a proper education,  dipstick...

Calm down sweetie.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:30 am

Maddog wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Laughing

What the fuck would you know about "modern liberals" ???

You keep on creating new bullshit definitions for words and themes to fit your own redneck agendas, every time you see yourself on the losing end of these discussions..

Do modern liberals consider government a "necessary evil"?

No, I think they consider government as a natural circumstance. Without government, you have a situation of disequilibrium...instability. In that vacuum the capitalists and the privileged will create their own dictatorship, and then where will you be?

It's for damn sure you and I will never be favored.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:23 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Do modern liberals consider government a "necessary evil"?

No, I think they consider government as a natural circumstance.  Without government, you have a situation of disequilibrium...instability.  In that vacuum the capitalists and the privileged will create their own dictatorship, and then where will you be?

It's for damn sure you and I will never be favored.

See, even the author of the piece is confused about the word liberal.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:42 pm

Original Quill wrote:Time Magazine wrote:

‘THE LIBERAL IDEOLOGY THAT HAS UNDERPINNED WESTERN DEMOCRACY FOR DECADES IS “OBSOLETE,” RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN SAID IN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE FINANCIAL TIMES PUBLISHED FRIDAY.

AND THE WASHINGTON POST ADDED:

‘SPEAKING TO THE FT ON THE EVE OF THE G20 SUMMIT IN OSAKA, JAPAN, DURING WHICH WORLD LEADERS WILL DISCUSS TRADE, SECURITY AND OTHER MATTERS, PUTIN SAID “THE LIBERAL IDEA” HAD “OUTLIVED ITS PURPOSE” AND “COME INTO CONFLICT WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION.”’

‘WHEN A REPORTER ASKED IF THE PRESIDENT AGREED WITH PUTIN’S SUGGESTION, IN A RECENT NEWSPAPER INTERVIEW, THAT “WESTERN-STYLE LIBERALISM” WAS IN DECLINE, TRUMP HAD ANOTHER THING IN MIND.

‘HE CRITICIZED THE CITIES OF LOS ANGELES AND SAN FRANCISCO, WHICH HE SAID ARE “SAD TO LOOK AT” BECAUSE THEY ARE “RUN BY LIBERAL PEOPLE.”’

https://bipartisanreport.com/2019/06/29/trump-just-agreed-with-putin-that-democracy-is-dead/

hows the impeachment going??

long old procees this isnt it??

8 long years

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Post by nicko on Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:45 pm

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:18 pm

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Original Quill wrote:Time Magazine wrote:

‘THE LIBERAL IDEOLOGY THAT HAS UNDERPINNED WESTERN DEMOCRACY FOR DECADES IS “OBSOLETE,” RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN SAID IN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE FINANCIAL TIMES PUBLISHED FRIDAY.

AND THE WASHINGTON POST ADDED:

‘SPEAKING TO THE FT ON THE EVE OF THE G20 SUMMIT IN OSAKA, JAPAN, DURING WHICH WORLD LEADERS WILL DISCUSS TRADE, SECURITY AND OTHER MATTERS, PUTIN SAID “THE LIBERAL IDEA” HAD “OUTLIVED ITS PURPOSE” AND “COME INTO CONFLICT WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION.”’

‘WHEN A REPORTER ASKED IF THE PRESIDENT AGREED WITH PUTIN’S SUGGESTION, IN A RECENT NEWSPAPER INTERVIEW, THAT “WESTERN-STYLE LIBERALISM” WAS IN DECLINE, TRUMP HAD ANOTHER THING IN MIND.

‘HE CRITICIZED THE CITIES OF LOS ANGELES AND SAN FRANCISCO, WHICH HE SAID ARE “SAD TO LOOK AT” BECAUSE THEY ARE “RUN BY LIBERAL PEOPLE.”’

https://bipartisanreport.com/2019/06/29/trump-just-agreed-with-putin-that-democracy-is-dead/

hows the impeachment going??

long old procees this isnt it??

8 long years

I agree with you Russo, it's taking too long.  Democrats are snowflakes and feather merchants, and too cautious and hesitant about things.  They seem to be siding with the Republicans in sitting back and letting things fall as they might.

We may have to start another lefty party in America, one that gets things done.  Anyone know if the Progressive Party is still going?

To just await the next election doesn't make a statement.  Fook, we have one of those (elections) every four years...awaiting an election virtually says, it's just politics as usual.  Nothing says Trump is a criminal and everything he has done is a violation of laws and acceptable standards.  Pelosi and the RW of the Democratic Party are, once again, too timid and fearful for an all out fight.

The problem with awaiting an election is that it leaves in place everything Trump has done, as legitimate precedent--an authorizing touchstone.  The first time becomes an anchor, and after that it's much easier to say...It's legitimate, Trump did it and nobody complained.  It is legitimized as The American Way.

Concentration camps?  Child abuse?  Muslim ban?  Emergency powers?  War with Iran?  Ignoring Congress and subpoenas?  Obstructing justice.  Espionage and colluding with the enemy?  Let me assure you, if someone got away with something once, and there's no action condemning it, it's guaranteed to happen again. The bad guys are winning.

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Post by nicko on Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:37 pm

There are more people in work and the economy is booming under Trump. does that not count for something ?
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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:57 pm

nicko wrote:There are more people in work and the economy is booming under Trump. does that not count for something ?

nothing counts for anything where the communist is concerned

havent you realised?? trump could end world poverty, he could get NK to disarm, he could cure cancer, he could develop green sustainable energy for all, he would still be the devil to quill and people like him

when trump does bad he is bad, when trump does good he is still bad

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:20 pm

nicko wrote:There are more people in work and the economy is booming under Trump. does that not count for something ?

The stock market is for the rich.  Know any workmen who play the big board?

Unemployment figures are meaningless with all the increases being minimum wage jobs.  The cost of living has just taken another huge jump, making the average person less well off.

All of Trump's economic policies are for the wealthy.  He cut corporate taxes, which means that stockholders have only to cash in and take their money.

Trump did nothing for the average person.  He claims that people see a raise in their paycheck due to his tax cut.  But the $12 more that the average guy sees in his paycheck, is much more than offset by the loss of the state tax exemption and the mortgage exemption.  The rich get richer.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:03 am

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nicko wrote:There are more people in work and the economy is booming under Trump. does that not count for something ?

The stock market is for the rich.  Know any workmen who play the big board?

Unemployment figures are meaningless with all the increases being minimum wage jobs.  The cost of living has just taken another huge jump, making the average person less well off.

All of Trump's economic policies are for the wealthy.  He cut corporate taxes, which means that stockholders have only to cash in and take their money.

Trump did nothing for the average person.  He claims that people see a raise in their paycheck due to his tax cut.  But the $12 more that the average guy sees in his paycheck, is much more than offset by the loss of the state tax exemption and the mortgage exemption.  The rich get richer.

Millions of Americans own stock. It's part of their retirement plan.

And by whatever metric you want to use, the economy is doing pretty good. You can blame Trump or give him credit, I don't care. But the economy is doing well.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:07 am

Maddog wrote:Millions of Americans own stock. It's part of their retirement plan.

Dream on. About 25 percent of Americans hold individual stock. About 20 percent hold stock outside an employer sponsored retirement plan. About 6 percent hold individual stock inside a plan.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrWmjAxGBxdUBgAZgQPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByNWU4cGh1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?qid=20071204203315AACHKYz

Maddog wrote:And by whatever metric you want to use, the economy is doing pretty good. You can blame Trump or give him credit, I don't care. But the economy is doing well.

For the top 1%. The rich get richer, while the average American falls back. According to Fortune Magazine, eight men in the world are so rich that their wealth is equivalent to half of the world’s wealth. This gap is alarming since, in 2010, it took 43 rich people to match half of the world’s wealth. It has been called “supercharged capitalism.” Since 2009, the ultra rich people have been increasing their wealth by as much as 11 percent annually.

The world is not a fair place. Unless drastic policies are implemented, the ultra rich will only continue to get richer while the poor remain waiting at the bottom, hoping for scraps.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:04 am

Smile

DopeyDawg is also thinking in total numbers --  and not in percentages or proportions --  while at the same time ignoring the USA population now being up around 320 million or so...

"Millions" of Americans own shares --  but 240 million don't;

"Millions" of Americans are in fulltime employment --  millions more are trapped in part-time and 'casualised' jobs --  so that when underemployment and 'hidden' unemployment are factored in the true unemployment level is more than15% rather than the "official"  5-point-something-% that guvm'nt bureaucracies throw around;

Millions of Americans are homeless -- % wise a lot higher than in Australia, New Zealand, Britain or Canada;

"Millions" of Americans have "adequate" healthcover --  but 30% of the population has either inadequate or even zero health insurance..

And Maddog keeps on telling himself that everything is powering along nicely over there  ?

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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:23 am

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There are more people in work and the economy is booming under Trump. does that not count for something ?

Laughing

Just a pity that many of those supposedly "in work" aren't being paid a "living" wage though,  isn't it
!?!


As in Britain, and Oz and NZ, a lot of those "new jobs" are poorly paid, "zero hours", casual "rolling contract" positions..

Where many of those workers might only find a weeks work every month or two.

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Ben Reilly wrote:So basically, Trump doesn't know what liberal democracy means, and associates it with the left.

I'm afraid so.  Putin was talking favorably about an illiberal democracy, and Trump was agreeing with him.  But, yes, he was confusing basic 17th-century liberal democracy with liberalism, known as 'lefties' today.

I'm sure he doesn't even know he made such an ignorant gaff.  But I promise, it will come back to haunt him.  Can we get his grades at the University of Pennsylvania now?

Didn't he also confused 'busing' as meaning kids taking a school bus to school in general.

"It has been something they’ve done for a long period of time. There aren’t that many ways you will get people to schools."

The man is a categorical IDIOT.

No other words for it. He winged the election and won because Clinton was vile and the EC is broken.
His supporters are thickos and shameless hypocrites (in the case of Evangelicals).
He's winging being President, letting the people are him do most of the work while the GOP cringe and nod their heads.
He wings international diplomacy and ends up cosying with dictators while putting off allies.

And every now and then he says something that PROVES what an idiot he is. And it has, disgracefully, become normalised.

He is a stupid fat oaf who got rich off daddy and the only 'clever' thing he did was keep himself in the media so people knew who he was.

He sounds 'honest' because he isn't intelligent enough to be anything but. The man is arguably the most stupid leader the west has ever known.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:14 pm

It all just goes back to who he is?  He's a glorified real estate salesman.

He's not interested in content.  Details just get in the way and take away from his time sextime with 13-year old children.

All he knows is making the sale.  So, we are seeing elaborate meetings with Kim Jung Un...nothing productive, just the show.  We are seeing shows with collaborator Vladimir Putin...shows with the wealthy murderer Mohammad bin Salman...he's acting like he would to sell an apartment in New York.  Impressing people to make the sale.

We, the Americans, are the mark.  We are supposed to be impressed and buy the apartment.  He could care less about diplomacy, or domestic affairs.  Except for his racism--which he really cares about--what he does is all for show, to make the sale.

His racism will get him in trouble.  Icebox concentration camps along the Texas border, his treatment of people in Puerto Rico, his Muslim ban, which was beaten in the courts, are the only genuine, heartfelt programs of his.  Children in cages, without blankets, without beds, who are told to drink water out of the toilet, will not be tolerated very long by the public.

I'm not worried about him being turned out of office.  But will he be prosecuted afterwards?  I think he, and Wm. Barr, Steven Mnuchin, Hope Hicks, and the espionage kids, Don Jr., and Eric, will be allowed to walk, totally free. Far cry from the treatment we, the ordinary people can expect. It makes a joke of equal justice under the law!  Didn't Obama cower at the prospect of prosecuting Dick Cheney?    Democrats will rush to hide the truth, just like Republicans.

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Original Quill wrote:It all just goes back to who he is?  He's a glorified real estate salesman.

He's not interested in content.  Details just get in the way and take away from his time sextime with 13-year old children.

All he knows is making the sale.  So, we are seeing elaborate meetings with Kim Jung Un...nothing productive, just the show.  We are seeing shows with collaborator Vladimir Putin...shows with the wealthy murderer Mohammad bin Salman...he's acting like he would to sell an apartment in New York.  Impressing people to make the sale.

We, the Americans, are the mark.  We are supposed to be impressed and buy the apartment.  He could care less about diplomacy, or domestic affairs.  Except for his racism--which he really cares about--what he does is all for show, to make the sale.

His racism will get him in trouble.  Icebox concentration camps along the Texas border, his treatment of people in Puerto Rico, his Muslim ban, which was beaten in the courts, are the only genuine, heartfelt programs of his.  Children in cages, without blankets, without beds, who are told to drink water out of the toilet, will not be tolerated very long by the public.

I'm not worried about him being turned out of office.  But will he be prosecuted afterwards?  I think he, and Wm. Barr, Steven Mnuchin, Hope Hicks, and the espionage kids, Don Jr., and Eric, will be allowed to walk, totally free.  Far cry from the treatment we, the ordinary people can expect.  It makes a joke of equal justice under the law!  Didn't Obama cower at the prospect of prosecuting Dick Cheney?    Democrats will rush to hide the truth, just like Republicans.

yes, you americans are the mark and you were impressed enough by him to elect him to your highest office.


all of this

"Icebox concentration camps along the Texas border, his treatment of people in Puerto Rico, his Muslim ban, which was beaten in the courts, are the only genuine, heartfelt programs of his. Children in cages, without blankets, without beds, who are told to drink water out of the toilet"

is simply a continuation of obamas policies, all of that stuff happened under obama with his seal of approval

they are making a documentary about some savages who raped a girl in the park and the wrong guys got done for it or something??? it was like 30 years ago and they are doing a film or series about it now and they are bringing trump into it

lol!

something that happens 30 years ago is trumps fault apparently - thats the stupidity of the commie mind

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:08 pm

The economy is indeed doing pretty well under Trump. Wages have gone up a bit, unemployment is really low, etc.

These are all trends that began under Obama, of course, but it's a fallacy to give any president too much credit for their influence on the economy. If the economy is an oil tanker at sea, the president is no more than a tugboat giving it a push or pull and hoping for the best.

Trump's also doing a few things that aren't healthy for the economy historically, as well -- tariffs and trade wars, tax breaks for the rich and cracking down on even legal immigration have never shown to help the U.S. economy.

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Ben Reilly wrote:The economy is indeed doing pretty well under Trump. Wages have gone up a bit, unemployment is really low, etc.

These are all trends that began under Obama, of course, but it's a fallacy to give any president too much credit for their influence on the economy. If the economy is an oil tanker at sea, the president is no more than a tugboat giving it a push or pull and hoping for the best.

Trump's also doing a few things that aren't healthy for the economy historically, as well -- tariffs and trade wars, tax breaks for the rich and cracking down on even legal immigration have never shown to help the U.S. economy.

i love it

you shoehorn obama in when credit is being dished out because of "trends that began under Obama" and that somehow trump is just catching the fruition of those plans, but everything else that began under obama is all trumps doing


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Ben Reilly wrote:The economy is indeed doing pretty well under Trump. Wages have gone up a bit, unemployment is really low, etc.

These are all trends that began under Obama, of course, but it's a fallacy to give any president too much credit for their influence on the economy. If the economy is an oil tanker at sea, the president is no more than a tugboat giving it a push or pull and hoping for the best.

Trump's also doing a few things that aren't healthy for the economy historically, as well -- tariffs and trade wars, tax breaks for the rich and cracking down on even legal immigration have never shown to help the U.S. economy.

i love it

you shoehorn obama in when credit is being dished out because of "trends that began under Obama" and that somehow trump is just catching the fruition of those plans, but everything else that began under obama is all trumps doing


That was pretty far afield from the point I made.

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Ben Reilly wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

i love it

you shoehorn obama in when credit is being dished out because of "trends that began under Obama" and that somehow trump is just catching the fruition of those plans, but everything else that began under obama is all trumps doing


That was pretty far afield from the point I made.

who cares about your point, not me.

my point is that no matter what trump does - haters gonna hate

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Post by eddie on Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:45 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

i love it

you shoehorn obama in when credit is being dished out because of "trends that began under Obama" and that somehow trump is just catching the fruition of those plans, but everything else that began under obama is all trumps doing


That was pretty far afield from the point I made.

who cares about  your point, not me.

my point is that no matter what trump does - haters gonna hate  

I certainly don’t like Trump (insofar as I “know” him) but I certainly agree with your second sentence actually.

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smelly-bandit wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

i love it

you shoehorn obama in when credit is being dished out because of "trends that began under Obama" and that somehow trump is just catching the fruition of those plans, but everything else that began under obama is all trumps doing


That was pretty far afield from the point I made.

who cares about  your point, not me.

my point is that no matter what trump does - haters gonna hate  

I hate most of the things Trump does because they aren't good things to do, hatred for Trump has nothing to do with it. If he was a better person and a better president, I'd like him better.

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Tell you what -- I challenge anybody to find five things that Trump has done that help most Americans in the near four years he's had to work on it.

The only rules are, you can't mention Obama or Hillary Clinton.

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Post by eddie on Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:51 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Tell you what -- I challenge anybody to find five things that Trump has done that help most Americans in the near four years he's had to work on it.

The only rules are, you can't mention Obama or Hillary Clinton.

That’s a fair enough challenge.

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Ben Reilly wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

who cares about  your point, not me.

my point is that no matter what trump does - haters gonna hate  

I hate most of the things Trump does because they aren't good things to do, hatred for Trump has nothing to do with it. If he was a better person and a better president, I'd like him better.

name one thing he has done that you "hate"

explain how it affects you personally and tell me if its something trump has done uniquely or if its a rollover from obama

ive never heard a single person be able to articulate their personal objection to trump, not a single fucking one. its all mass hysteria screaming and shrieking.

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smelly-bandit wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

who cares about  your point, not me.

my point is that no matter what trump does - haters gonna hate  

I hate most of the things Trump does because they aren't good things to do, hatred for Trump has nothing to do with it. If he was a better person and a better president, I'd like him better.

name one thing he has done that you "hate"

explain how it affects you personally and tell me if its something trump has done uniquely or if its a rollover from obama

ive never heard a single person be able to articulate their personal objection to trump, not a single fucking one. its all mass hysteria screaming and shrieking.

1) Trying to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. That would harm the Texan economy, affecting my family and friends.

2) Trying to undermine Obamacare. That would take health insurance away from over 10 million Americans, including my sister, and bring back every problem that the American health care system had before Obamacare was enacted.

3) Calling the media "the enemy of the American people." After he said that and several newsrooms were attacked, I had to take "active shooter" training at work. I had several negative encounters with members of the public who accused me of lying about Trump (I only wrote two stories that ever mentioned Trump). Journalists shouldn't have to worry about people wanting them dead.

4) Ripping apart environmental regulations that protect the health of my family and every American I care about.

5) Appointing people dangerously unqualified to run major government departments, subjecting all the children in the American side of my family to a poorly run department of education, among other things.

And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could come up with a much longer list.

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smelly-bandit wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:

I hate most of the things Trump does because they aren't good things to do, hatred for Trump has nothing to do with it. If he was a better person and a better president, I'd like him better.

name one thing he has done that you "hate"

explain how it affects you personally and tell me if its something trump has done uniquely or if its a rollover from obama

ive never heard a single person be able to articulate their personal objection to trump, not a single fucking one. its all mass hysteria screaming and shrieking.

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You really are one pathetic lying piece of shit,  smelly'...

You claimed "Haters gotta hate.."  --  yet only a hardcore racist fascist 'hater' such as yourself can keep on spouting this pro-Trump crap.  The only reason you can't hear any proper complaints against Trump is because you refuse to do so..

In the "hater" stakes,  you're up there with the likes of Stormee, Deano, and that whining whinging quartet of English harridans on here.

P.S.  If I saw you defending Trump's constant ridiculing and joking about the disabled and the poor in real life, the way you do on here, I could smash a worthless spineless little weak fake soldier coward such yourself to a pulp on the spot..

Real men don't attack the disabled, the poor and the downtrodden the way that both you and your fat worthless idol Trump delight in doing.

Rather than being the big tough "marine" that you keep on bullshitting about on here, much more likely you're a weak little Afrikans deserter hiding away in your dear ol' mum's basement..

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Russp wrote:name one thing he has done that you "hate"

Rape a 13-year old female child.

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Russp wrote:name one thing he has done that you "hate"

Rape a 13-year old female child.

Haters gonna hate

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smelly-bandit wrote:

name one thing he has done that you "hate"

explain how it affects you personally and tell me if its something trump has done uniquely or if its a rollover from obama

ive never heard a single person be able to articulate their personal objection to trump, not a single fucking one. its all mass hysteria screaming and shrieking.

1) Trying to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. That would harm the Texan economy, affecting my family and friends.

2) Trying to undermine Obamacare. That would take health insurance away from over 10 million Americans, including my sister, and bring back every problem that the American health care system had before Obamacare was enacted.

3) Calling the media "the enemy of the American people." After he said that and several newsrooms were attacked, I had to take "active shooter" training at work. I had several negative encounters with members of the public who accused me of lying about Trump (I only wrote two stories that ever mentioned Trump). Journalists shouldn't have to worry about people wanting them dead.

4) Ripping apart environmental regulations that protect the health of my family and every American I care about.

5) Appointing people dangerously unqualified to run major government departments, subjecting all the children in the American side of my family to a poorly run department of education, among other things.

And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could come up with a much longer list.

Utter shite

1 he hasn't built the wall yet so you can cross that off the list

2.obamacare is a terrible system and is hated by millions of Americans and it affects your sister not you - scratch one

3. Utter nonsense, the media is the enemy, they lied about Russian interfenece in the election that had the potential to start a war with Russian, him attacking the fake news media doesn't affect you so you can take that off the list

4.clinate change is a myth and unless your house is in a toxic waste disposal plant I think you will be fine, besides your health was not improved by those regs, off the list

5.your education system has been failing for years - you can't blame trump for that, off the list


So you can't give me a single reason why you're anti trump, you're anti trump just because


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smelly-bandit wrote:

name one thing he has done that you "hate"

explain how it affects you personally and tell me if its something trump has done uniquely or if its a rollover from obama

ive never heard a single person be able to articulate their personal objection to trump, not a single fucking one. its all mass hysteria screaming and shrieking.

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You really are one pathetic lying piece of shit,  smelly'...

You claimed "Haters gotta hate.."  --  yet only a hardcore racist fascist 'hater' such as yourself can keep on spouting this pro-Trump crap.  The only reason you can't hear any proper complaints against Trump is because you refuse to do so..

In the "hater" stakes,  you're up there with the likes of Stormee, Deano, and that whining whinging quartet of English harridans on here.

P.S.  If I saw you defending Trump's constant ridiculing and joking about the disabled and the poor in real life, the way you do on here, I could smash a worthless spineless little weak fake soldier coward such yourself to a pulp on the spot..

Real men don't attack the disabled, the poor and the downtrodden the way that both you and your fat worthless idol Trump delight in doing.

Rather than being the big tough "marine" that you keep on bullshitting about on here, much more likely you're a weak little Afrikans deserter hiding away in your dear ol' mum's basement..

lol!

It's a joke not cock

Don't take it so hard

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:08 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Rape a 13-year old female child.

Haters gonna hate

Rapists gotta rape. *How many is it now?*

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You really are one pathetic lying piece of shit,  smelly'...

You claimed "Haters gotta hate.."  --  yet only a hardcore racist fascist 'hater' such as yourself can keep on spouting this pro-Trump crap.  The only reason you can't hear any proper complaints against Trump is because you refuse to do so..

In the "hater" stakes,  you're up there with the likes of Stormee, Deano, and that whining whinging quartet of English harridans on here.

P.S.  If I saw you defending Trump's constant ridiculing and joking about the disabled and the poor in real life, the way you do on here, I could smash a worthless spineless little weak fake soldier coward such yourself to a pulp on the spot..

Real men don't attack the disabled, the poor and the downtrodden the way that both you and your fat worthless idol Trump delight in doing.

Rather than being the big tough "marine" that you keep on bullshitting about on here, much more likely you're a weak little Afrikans deserter hiding away in your dear ol' mum's basement..

lol!

It's a joke not cock

Don't take it so hard

Rolling Eyes

It's no joke, you brainless little weasel-- you don't know how to be funny...

You're simply showing your true colours, you nasty dickless lying slimebag..

You said it yourself earlier -- "haters gotta hate.." -- and you keep on keeping on proving yourself to be the #1 'hater' on here -- well ahead of your slimy mate Deano, or that miserable little coven of screeching harpies on here..

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smelly-bandit wrote:

Haters gonna hate

Rapists gotta rape.  *How many is it now?*

i dont think monica was a rape, just think she was a slut so we shouldnt count her, in billy boys butchers bill.

so whatever the tally is -1

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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:59 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

lol!

It's a joke not cock

Don't take it so hard

Rolling Eyes

It's no joke, you brainless little weasel--  you don't know how to be funny...

You're simply showing your true colours, you nasty dickless lying slimebag..

You said it yourself earlier --  "haters gotta hate.."  --  and you keep on keeping on proving yourself to be the #1 'hater' on here --  well ahead of your slimy mate Deano, or that miserable little coven of screeching harpies on here..



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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:42 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

name one thing he has done that you "hate"

explain how it affects you personally and tell me if its something trump has done uniquely or if its a rollover from obama

ive never heard a single person be able to articulate their personal objection to trump, not a single fucking one. its all mass hysteria screaming and shrieking.

1) Trying to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. That would harm the Texan economy, affecting my family and friends.

2) Trying to undermine Obamacare. That would take health insurance away from over 10 million Americans, including my sister, and bring back every problem that the American health care system had before Obamacare was enacted.

3) Calling the media "the enemy of the American people." After he said that and several newsrooms were attacked, I had to take "active shooter" training at work. I had several negative encounters with members of the public who accused me of lying about Trump (I only wrote two stories that ever mentioned Trump). Journalists shouldn't have to worry about people wanting them dead.

4) Ripping apart environmental regulations that protect the health of my family and every American I care about.

5) Appointing people dangerously unqualified to run major government departments, subjecting all the children in the American side of my family to a poorly run department of education, among other things.

And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could come up with a much longer list.

Utter shite

1 he hasn't built the wall yet so you can cross that off the list

2.obamacare is a terrible system and is hated by millions of Americans and it affects your sister not you - scratch one

3. Utter nonsense, the media is the enemy, they lied about Russian interfenece in the election that had the potential to start a war with Russian, him attacking the fake news media doesn't affect you so you can take that off the list

4.clinate change is a myth and unless your house is in a toxic waste disposal plant I think you will be fine, besides your health was not improved by those regs, off the list

5.your education system has been failing for years - you can't blame trump for that, off the list


So you can't give me a single reason why you're anti trump, you're anti trump just because


That was stunningly lazy, you disappointed me (again).

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Russp wrote:name one thing he has done that you "hate"

Rape a 13-year old female child.

Innocent until proven guilty....unless they’re not to your particular taste, I guess.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:36 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Utter shite

1 he hasn't built the wall yet so you can cross that off the list

2.obamacare is a terrible system and is hated by millions of Americans and it affects your sister not you - scratch one

3. Utter nonsense, the media is the enemy, they lied about Russian interfenece in the election that had the potential to start a war with Russian, him attacking the fake news media doesn't affect you so you can take that off the list

4.clinate change is a myth and unless your house is in a toxic waste disposal plant I think you will be fine, besides your health was not improved by those regs, off the list

5.your education system has been failing for years - you can't blame trump for that, off the list


So you can't give me a single reason why you're anti trump, you're anti trump just because


That was stunningly lazy, you disappointed me (again).

i asked how his policies affect YOU

none of those affect YOU apart from in some abstract sense or hurt feelings way

fuck your feelings,i dont care if him attacking CCN for lying makes your feeling all yukky, i asked how you have been affected, and all you can say is that you havent been.

so...............................

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Rape a 13-year old female child.

Innocent until proven guilty....unless they’re not to your particular taste, I guess.

Unfortunately, Trump is president and cannot be indicted. So, this leaves us with the one occasions when there can be no presumption of innocence. So, I guess if he's relieved of the burden, so are we.

Take a listen to the evidence"



And Mexico's gonna pay for the wall. Rolling Eyes


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eddie wrote:

Innocent until proven guilty....unless they’re not to your particular taste, I guess.

Unfortunately, Trump is president and cannot be indicted.  So, this leaves us with the one occasions when there can be no presumption of innocence.  So, I guess if he's relieved of the burden, so are we.

Take a listen to the evidence"



And Mexico's gonna pay for the wall.   Rolling Eyes


Trump for another 4 years sonny

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smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Unfortunately, Trump is president and cannot be indicted.  So, this leaves us with the one occasions when there can be no presumption of innocence.  So, I guess if he's relieved of the burden, so are we.

Take a listen to the evidence"



And Mexico's gonna pay for the wall.   Rolling Eyes


Trump for another 4 years sonny

Hahahaha...so, you guys in St. Pertersburg doctored the sound track.  Of course, anyone can splice a tape.

As an aside, it was not a very good splicing, because you can hear the volume adjustment just before the crucial passages.  That is indicative of some audio engineer wanting to obscure the not-so-seamless splicing.  (Unfortunately for you, I worked with Capitol Records in Hollywood, just out of High School, and I know the tricks.)

Why do you guys with the Internet Research Agency try such amateur deception.  You are GRU, fcs.  Are you admitting that your audio electronic skills are as shitty as your avionics in your aircraft? I learned about Russian hand-craft skills when a Russian woman sewed a button on a shirt for me...more than ample stitching, but backwards!!! Rolling Eyes

Fookin’ ham-handed Ruskies.  Hey-sus cristos, no wonder you guys lost the Cold War.

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