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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:58 pm

Wow, there must be an awful lot of very sensitive white people out there, if being criticized makes them want to run all the non-whites out of the country.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:06 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Wow, there must be an awful lot of very sensitive white people out there, if being criticized makes them want to run all the non-whites out of the country.

Failed to grasp the point I see

At no point did the video make a view on the sensitivity of people, but how a proportion of society, can ostracize a sizeable group into a courner and the possible consequences of this. Do you not rationalise hyposthesis or do you deal in constant SJW babble?

You never actually listened to a single thiong said did you?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:14 pm

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Ben Reilly wrote:Wow, there must be an awful lot of very sensitive white people out there, if being criticized makes them want to run all the non-whites out of the country.

Failed to grasp the point I see

At no point did the video make a view on the sensitivity of people, but how a proportion of society, can ostracize a sizeable group into a courner and the possible consequences of this. Do you not rationalise hyposthesis or do you deal in constant SJW babble?

You never actually listened to a single thiong said did you?

I didn't watch the video, but I think it's safe to say that it's about people demonizing whiteness, and that leads white people to become white nationalists?

If that's not the theme, perhaps we should change the thread title.

And I'm just saying that if someone resorts to extremism because someone criticizes them, that's pathetic.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:20 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
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Failed to grasp the point I see

At no point did the video make a view on the sensitivity of people, but how a proportion of society, can ostracize a sizeable group into a courner and the possible consequences of this. Do you not rationalise hyposthesis or do you deal in constant SJW babble?

You never actually listened to a single thiong said did you?

I didn't watch the video, but I think it's safe to say that it's about people demonizing whiteness, and that leads white people to become white nationalists?

If that's not the theme, perhaps we should change the thread title.

And I'm just saying that if someone resorts to extremism because someone criticizes them, that's pathetic.


So let me get this straight.

You did not watch the video and hence why you made such an idiotic view point?

Bret is actually a lefty in every sense of the word. So instead you made poor and uneducated assumptions. How about you actually watch the video, before making such really ignorant answers. Its only 6 minutes long

Do you dare to do so?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:23 pm

phildidge wrote:
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phildidge wrote:

Failed to grasp the point I see

At no point did the video make a view on the sensitivity of people, but how a proportion of society, can ostracize a sizeable group into a courner and the possible consequences of this. Do you not rationalise hyposthesis or do you deal in constant SJW babble?

You never actually listened to a single thiong said did you?

I didn't watch the video, but I think it's safe to say that it's about people demonizing whiteness, and that leads white people to become white nationalists?

If that's not the theme, perhaps we should change the thread title.

And I'm just saying that if someone resorts to extremism because someone criticizes them, that's pathetic.


So let me get this straight.

You did not watch the video and hence why you made such an idiotic view point?

Bret is actually a lefty in every sense of the word. So instead of making poor and uneducated assumptions. How about you actually watch the video, before making such really ignorant answers.

Do you dare to do so?

So is the topic of the video not actually "How Demonizing "Whiteness" Spreads White Nationalism"?

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:27 pm

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phildidge wrote:


So let me get this straight.

You did not watch the video and hence why you made such an idiotic view point?

Bret is actually a lefty in every sense of the word. So instead of making poor and uneducated assumptions. How about you actually watch the video, before making such really ignorant answers.

Do you dare to do so?

So is the topic of the video not actually "How Demonizing "Whiteness" Spreads White Nationalism"?


Did the demonising of Muslims help push some Muslims in to a courner and extremist views?

Yes or No?

Sorry, got your tongue twisted now?

As this is what you have essentially argued for years

That does not ever excuse why some Muslims do, but partially explains this

Now, grow up, watch the video and listen to someone miles more intelligent than you for a change. You might actually learn something

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Did I say it would only be pathetic for white people to react that way, and not for other races?

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:31 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Did I say it would only be pathetic for white people to react that way, and not for other races?


How many times are you going to dodge this with whataboutism and never actually asnwer points made to you?

Simple question again.

Do you think the demonisation of Muslims, can lead to some Muslims feeling they are pushed into a courner and fall foul of extremist Islamism ideology. Yes or no?

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Ben Reilly wrote:Did I say it would only be pathetic for white people to react that way, and not for other races?


How many times are you going to dodge this with whataboutism and never actually asnwer points made to you?

Simple question again.

Do you think the demonisation of Muslims, can lead to some Muslims feeling they are pushed into a courner and fall foul of extremist Islamism ideology. Yes or no?

Sure! Now ask me if I think that's pathetic, which is the point I actually made.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:51 pm

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phildidge wrote:


How many times are you going to dodge this with whataboutism and never actually asnwer points made to you?

Simple question again.

Do you think the demonisation of Muslims, can lead to some Muslims feeling they are pushed into a courner and fall foul of extremist Islamism ideology. Yes or no?

Sure! Now ask me if I think that's pathetic, which is the point I actually made.


So you think its pathetic, great, how about watching the video more so, because there is nothing worse when someone claims such moral suppriority, based off his own ego. Never watching something. Its about understanding methods and not on what you do or not agree on. If you were not so lazy and pigheaded and actually watched the video. Before jumping in looking very silly. Trying to imflame your ego and intelligence. You might well have understood what was being said, but you will never have an idea. You like many regressives. Simple want to shut down any view to discuss, because you have made up your mind before even listening to someone in what they have said. You have presummed, you already know and I am sorry, that is sheer arrogance on your part

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:58 pm

There is one poster on here that seems to demonise white people and that’s Quill.
That’s all I’ll say until he replies to the thread because I don’t want to sit here and misquote him.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:02 pm

eddie wrote:There is one poster on here that seems to demonise white people and that’s Quill.
That’s all I’ll say until he replies to the thread because I don’t want to sit here and misquote him.


Very true, but fair is fair. Ben made some preety poor assumptions and even agreed to what can lead to Muslims being pushed into a perceived courner and the possible consequences of this eddie.

I love debate, but what I deplore, is when people think they are above everything by their own moral standard. They simple expose views, which ignore what is being said in the video. I think its worrrying and stand against white nationalism and the far right, but Ben choose instead to mock th possible consequences and more so off his own inability to listen here. He even admitted to not even listening to someone who is as left as he is and instead. Chose to form an opinion from this, by not even watching and listening. That to me, is someone being pigheaded.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:17 pm

Your debate with Ben has nothing to do with me. I didn’t watch the video either so I am refraining from comment except to say that I do think there’s a “hate whites” from some white people who are a little superior and think that they have to love every other colour but their own and that it’s cool to hate on white people.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:23 pm

eddie wrote:Your debate with Ben has nothing to do with me. I didn’t watch the video either so I am refraining from comment except to say that I do think there’s a “hate whites” from some white people who are a little superior and think that they have to love every other colour but their own and that it’s cool to hate on white people.


Oh for crying out loud and it shows you never watched the video either as I doubt either of you know what the central message actuall was

It expands on cooporation against this hate from either side

So I take on your points Eddie, but neither of you really have a stake in the debate here on this. As its really annoying when people form opinions on something they have not watched.

So thank you for your views, that does not excuse Ben for his lazy journalism here and I would never employ someone based off such an attitude. Who made views, without ever listening to people as he did here. Eiether that is arogance or stupidity

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:28 pm

And this is why I lose interest debating here anymore. The very fact ben can make th views he did whilst never watcing a video. Says everything that is wrong within society today. They have already formed views and show how unable or unwilling they are to listen to people. Even more when shown this actually is a contibuting factor to how so Muslims fall for extremism. I have instead two people debate me on something they both wont even spend 6 minutes to watch.

Hence there is little point debating this

Goodnight everyone, but this is getting tedius

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:29 pm

I just said I’m not getting involved because I haven’t even followed the debate and I didn’t watch the video and that I do think there’s definitely a white hate from some whites.

Jeez. Rolling Eyes

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:39 pm

eddie wrote:I just said I’m not getting involved because I haven’t even followed the debate and I didn’t watch the video and that I do think there’s definitely a white hate from some whites.

Jeez. Rolling Eyes  


You just have got involvedThere is definately a white hate against whites based on cast

So thanks for your views here, but Ben is the coward hiding behind you here and not standing up for himself defending his idiocy here. He made poor views, failed to watch the video and now hopes I will give you some slack over this.

Not a chance in hell. The man made poor views and he needs to back them. I doubt he will, as he hides behind you


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Ben Reilly wrote:Sleep


So I can deduce from that. You admit to your failings here, as you are bowing out

The fact is, you are not that intelligent. Someone intelligent, actually does listen mate.

You fell at the first hurdle on this

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:57 pm

Didge, how is he “hiding behind me”? He was debating with you before I even arrived on the thread! And I can tell you, he and I often debate heatedly. He is nothing if not very open about his views.

I’ve nothing further to add other than what I’ve already said.

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:03 pm

eddie wrote:Didge, how is he “hiding behind me”? He was debating with you before I even arrived on the thread! And I can tell you, he and I often debate heatedly. He is nothing if not very open about his views.

I’ve nothing further to add other than what I’ve already said.


Then why use a smile of being asleep?
Why avoid my questions?
Why are you now involved in a debate that was between him and me?
Great that you often debate, but with me, he hides behind you, as is shown here, that now we are debating this and not him
I like Ben, but he is a coward and hides behind you
He never watched the video
He made poor views and when taken to task, he called for eddie backup
So allow him to speak for himself instead of a smille snooze
He is not making himself look intlligent that way is he?
What annoys me no end, is he thinks to make a view on a video he never watched.
Its like him being a film critic whilst never watching ever a movie

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I rest my case and now why I enjoy other avenues more than here, when Ben acts so childish.



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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:29 pm

phildidge wrote:
eddie wrote:Didge, how is he “hiding behind me”? He was debating with you before I even arrived on the thread! And I can tell you, he and I often debate heatedly. He is nothing if not very open about his views.

I’ve nothing further to add other than what I’ve already said.


Then why use a smile of being asleep?
Why avoid my questions?
Why are you now involved in a debate that was between him and me?
Great that you often debate, but with me, he hides behind you, as is shown here, that now we are debating this and not him
I like Ben, but he is a coward and hides behind you
He never watched the video
He made poor views and when taken to task, he called for eddie backup
So allow him to speak for himself instead of a smille snooze
He is not making himself look intlligent that way is he?
What annoys me no end, is he thinks to make a view on a video he never watched.
Its like him being a film critic whilst never watching ever a movie


Jesus. He called me for backup? What are you, like fifteen? Rolling Eyes
I clicked on the thread INDEPENDENTLY.
And why can’t I make a comment on a debate???

Stop lumping us together didge. It’s getting boring and also makes you look pathetic.

No one else feels the need to do this and quite frankly, you need to stop doing it as it’s just childish.

Now I’m going to leave you to it seeing as you’re just chatting breeze now fam.

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Then why use a smile of being asleep?
Why avoid my questions?
Why are you now involved in a debate that was between him and me?
Great that you often debate, but with me, he hides behind you, as is shown here, that now we are debating this and not him
I like Ben, but he is a coward and hides behind you
He never watched the video
He made poor views and when taken to task, he called for eddie backup
So allow him to speak for himself instead of a smille snooze
He is not making himself look intlligent that way is he?
What annoys me no end, is he thinks to make a view on a video he never watched.
Its like him being a film critic whilst never watching ever a movie


Jesus. He called me for backup? What are you, like fifteen? Rolling Eyes  
I clicked on the thread INDEPENDENTLY.
And why can’t I make a comment on a debate???

Stop lumping us together didge. It’s getting boring and also makes you look pathetic.

No one else feels the need to do this and quite frankly, you need to stop doing it as it’s just childish.

Now I’m going to leave you to it seeing as you’re just chatting breeze now fam.


Well it was a debate between me and ben so far, you jumped in and its now a debate between you and me and about how Ben is a wet lettace. So stop jumping on a debate you never made a view of. Otherwise its very clear you are defending that pussy

All I asked for is a decent debate and now have you call me childish, when  ben made two posts that were smilies?

I dont buy your bullsit love, sorry the man hides behind you like a pussy and cannot defend himself

If he did, you would not even be part of this debate

Hence he hides behind you

This has nothing to do with you, but Ben running away everytime he loses a debate

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:52 pm

That is why i changed from being a catholic to being an athiestI questioned my beliefs, have you?

What change did you make in your thinking Eddie?

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Post by phildidge on Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:53 pm

So we can conclude Ben is a pussy and needs his wife to argue for him and when she fails, she posts thought provoking statements.

Wow, thank goodness i dont have Tommy as my boy wonder

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Post by eddie on Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:52 am

phildidge wrote:So we can conclude Ben is a pussy and needs his wife to argue for him and when she fails, she posts thought provoking statements.

Wow, thank goodness i dont have Tommy as my boy wonder

And you have proven that you have to be personal. Why so?
If you didn’t know Ben and I were together you’d have no ammunition against him, me or us, would you?

So. Shame on you really.
Shame on you.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:32 am

Well not going to pander to time wasters anymore,. Espcially when they are too lazy, intellectually dishonest and too arrogant to simple watch a video before even engaging in a discussion about the topic.

If people want to learn more about this. Simple listen to Bret and read what he says.

Bret wrote:
Each of us should consider if our algorithm-bubble is making something rare seem common to us. Let's just agree to that for the foreseeable future. That said, "whiteness" is a special concept. It functions like a diagnosis of demonic possession, not a lecture. I have faced it.

https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1139559724645400576

The left IS increasingly defined by its extremists who, by leveraging stigma, are wielding disproportionate power in universities, media, tech giants.  The far-right is scary, but it is not bossing the center around. The concept of "whiteness", however, can't help but empower it.

https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1139570567680425985

I would far prefer to be talking about other issues, but this one is the historical equivalent of smoking in the fireworks factory.

P.S. For two years I have consistently championed the traditional left in every conceivable venue, including congress



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=324&v=uRIKJCKWla4

https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1139570568594743296

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