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Post by Andy on Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:50 pm

Nigel has got specialist comsultantsin to draft up the Brexit Party Manifesto.
1. Brexit.
2. Brexit.
3, Brexit.
4. Sell off the NHS.
5. Intern Muslims.
6. Ban all immigration of coloured people.
7. Block expatriots from returning, especially from Muslim countries such as Turkey.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138226/brexit-news-brexit-party-manifesto-nigel-farage-general-election-eu-membership-britain
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:29 pm



Andy is lying again...!


His link doesn't back up his op claims!!!


Lies and spin is all the leftys have got!!!



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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:28 pm



Looks like Andy has run away... again...!!!

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Post by Jules on Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:16 pm

Andy wrote:Nigel has got specialist comsultantsin to draft up the Brexit Party Manifesto.........

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138226/brexit-news-brexit-party-manifesto-nigel-farage-general-election-eu-membership-britain
So far.

Brexit has some good & positive points but the downside is that it is lulling some people into a false dream, to escape from the harsh realities of life. Some people think it is a magic wand that will right all the wrongs in life.  



Ask them to post a list of what they think will happen when Brexit is activated - it's like asking them to post their bucket list. >
 
"On 31 October ....
My orchard trees will start growing nuggets of gold instead of fruits.
We'll get 4 extra days of bank holidays and santa will make twice yearly visits.
There will be wall to wall sunshine everyday.
We will all link arms and skip thru fields of daisies & lavender and sing in perfect harmony. "


What a Face  We'll see huh.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:16 pm



No... we will be restoring democratic control and self governance to the UK... taking back control of our laws our borders and our money.

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Post by Jules on Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:24 pm

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No... we will be restoring democratic control and self governance to the UK... taking back control of our laws our borders and our money.

No one needs reminding that the key thing about wanting Brexit, is wanting to be in charge of the trio of laws-borders- money.


But that is just the framework.
Some Brexiteers ''flesh out' this framework by working their wishlists/bucketlist into it.


I have lived long enough to know that life is never so straightforward that with the flick of a switch, everything wrong with Britain is suddenly fixed. Yes, Brexit might bring some very good things with it, but it could well be that there are some nasty hidden stings in the tail, which no one foresaw. 


I think the country will get poorer for one thing and will stay poor for a long time - and guess who will suffer most - the poorest people of course, as they have the least leverage ability to change their situation.

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Post by Jules on Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:29 pm

I know you will disagree with everything I've said, TM, but hey, I've had my say anyway.

Got nowt more to add to Brexit discussions. In future, I'll go back to just being a silent observer of debates on here.  Laughing

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Post by nicko on Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:31 pm

Why ?
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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:40 pm

Jules wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

No... we will be restoring democratic control and self governance to the UK... taking back control of our laws our borders and our money.

No one needs reminding that the key thing about wanting Brexit, is wanting to be in charge of the trio of laws-borders- money.


But that is just the framework.
Some Brexiteers ''flesh out' this framework by working their wishlists/bucketlist into it.


I have lived long enough to know that life is never so straightforward that with the flick of a switch, everything wrong with Britain is suddenly fixed. Yes, Brexit might bring some very good things with it, but it could well be that there are some nasty hidden stings in the tail, which no one foresaw. 


I think the country will get poorer for one thing and will stay poor for a long time - and guess who will suffer most - the poorest people of course, as they have the least leverage ability to change their situation.


Taking back control of our laws, rules, money via restoration of our democracy... is the fundamental basis of having a democracy!!!


We never agreed for any of this to be handed away!!!


In fact... we have always been promised that this would not happen and has never been happening by our participation in the EU...!!!


If our democracy wasnt stolen... we wouldn't need to by fighting to get it back by leaving the EU!!!



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Post by Jules on Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:02 pm

nicko wrote:Why ?

I don't enjoy getting involved in the men's testosterone fuelled fights and endless circular arguments. 
Understandably it's quite an emotive topic.
I like the banter & laughter side of forums and I prefer to stick to that, nicko.

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Post by nicko on Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:07 pm

Good on you Jules, I often put in a joke now and again, don't like to get all serious and angry Smile
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Post by Jules on Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:16 pm

Thanks, nicko, I'll look out for them.  bounce

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:28 pm

Andy wrote:Nigel has got specialist comsultantsin to draft up the Brexit Party Manifesto.
1. Brexit.
2. Brexit.
3, Brexit.
4. Sell off the NHS.
5. Intern Muslims.
6. Ban all immigration of coloured people.
7. Block expatriots from returning, especially from Muslim countries such as Turkey.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138226/brexit-news-brexit-party-manifesto-nigel-farage-general-election-eu-membership-britain
So far.
there is no brexit party manifesto yet, but when there is I am sure you will be against it on principle because you are a rabid anti semite who votes for an institutionally anti semitic party.


and I see you can also add islamaphobe to your antisemitism

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:41 pm

Jules wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

No... we will be restoring democratic control and self governance to the UK... taking back control of our laws our borders and our money.

No one needs reminding that the key thing about wanting Brexit, is wanting to be in charge of the trio of laws-borders- money.


But that is just the framework.
Some Brexiteers ''flesh out' this framework by working their wishlists/bucketlist into it.


I have lived long enough to know that life is never so straightforward that with the flick of a switch, everything wrong with Britain is suddenly fixed. Yes, Brexit might bring some very good things with it, but it could well be that there are some nasty hidden stings in the tail, which no one foresaw. 


I think the country will get poorer for one thing and will stay poor for a long time - and guess who will suffer most - the poorest people of course, as they have the least leverage ability to change their situation.
the country may well suffer short term pain, that was hammered home by project fear again and again, but we still voted to leave by 52 to 48.
Money and personal wealth is not what drives leavers like it seems to drive remainiacs.

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Post by Jules on Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:10 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
No... we will be restoring democratic control and self governance to the UK... taking back control of our laws our borders and our money.


Jules wrote:
No one needs reminding that the key thing about wanting Brexit, is wanting to be in charge of the trio of laws-borders- money.

But that is just the framework.
Some Brexiteers ''flesh out' this framework by working their wishlists/bucketlist into it.
I have lived long enough to know that life is never so straightforward that with the flick of a switch, everything wrong with Britain is suddenly fixed. Yes, Brexit might bring some very good things with it, but it could well be that there are some nasty hidden stings in the tail, which no one foresaw. 
I think the country will get poorer for one thing and will stay poor for a long time - and guess who will suffer most - the poorest people of course, as they have the least leverage ability to change their situation.


The Devil, You Know wrote:
the country may well suffer short term pain, that was hammered home by project fear again and again, but we still voted to leave by 52 to 48.
Money and personal wealth is not what drives leavers like it seems to drive remainiacs.



@DYK:First off, I know nowt about "project fear".
The only fearful thing I saw during the entire 2 year campaign was the cold blooded murder of a woman MP in broad daylight.



Secondly, it's no use suddenly getting all aloof & hoity-toity over the subject of money as if it's a shallow topic...……....……. when in fact the very word  money is one of the trio of key Brexit issues, an integral part of the Brexit mantra as our resident Brexiteer reminded us. 



Why do you think money is incorporated into the triad? -  if it's so unimportant?
True, it's not the only driving force, I certainly don't need reminding of that. Wink Wink Wink 


But it's a key issue in the Brexit mantra - as TM pointed out.


Extreme austerity impacts devastatingly on people's lives, especially the most vulnerable - the poorest, the mentally ill, the addicts etc.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:44 pm

Jules wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
No... we will be restoring democratic control and self governance to the UK... taking back control of our laws our borders and our money.


Jules wrote:
No one needs reminding that the key thing about wanting Brexit, is wanting to be in charge of the trio of laws-borders- money.

But that is just the framework.
Some Brexiteers ''flesh out' this framework by working their wishlists/bucketlist into it.
I have lived long enough to know that life is never so straightforward that with the flick of a switch, everything wrong with Britain is suddenly fixed. Yes, Brexit might bring some very good things with it, but it could well be that there are some nasty hidden stings in the tail, which no one foresaw. 
I think the country will get poorer for one thing and will stay poor for a long time - and guess who will suffer most - the poorest people of course, as they have the least leverage ability to change their situation.


The Devil, You Know wrote:
the country may well suffer short term pain, that was hammered home by project fear again and again, but we still voted to leave by 52 to 48.
Money and personal wealth is not what drives leavers like it seems to drive remainiacs.



@DYK:First off, I know nowt about "project fear".
The only fearful thing I saw during the entire 2 year campaign was the cold blooded murder of a woman MP in broad daylight.



Secondly, it's no use suddenly getting all aloof & hoity-toity over the subject of money as if it's a shallow topic...……....……. when in fact the very word  money is one of the trio of key Brexit issues, an integral part of the Brexit mantra as our resident Brexiteer reminded us. 



Why do you think money is incorporated into the triad? -  if it's so unimportant?
True, it's not the only driving force, I certainly don't need reminding of that. Wink Wink Wink 


But it's a key issue in the Brexit mantra - as TM pointed out.


Extreme austerity impacts devastatingly on people's lives, especially the most vulnerable - the poorest, the mentally ill, the addicts etc.
the murder, terrible as it was had nothing to do with brexit. It was condemned by all sides of the political spectrum.

Project fear was the gov campaign to frighten people into voting remain by suggesting there would be an immediate recession, 800000 job losses, a stock market crash, a house market crash, an emergency budget amongst other doom and gloom warnings. these were not warnings about when we finally left, these were warnings about voting to leave and would immediately follow the vote. The chancellor at the time said it would cost every family £4300.
The british people did not listen to them then and voted 52 -48 to leave. It matters not a jot which constituencies voted to leave although it was over 450 that voted to leave, it was a clear instruction to all mp's remain or leave what the people wanted to do. the mp's overwhelmingly voted to hold the ref, they overwhelmingly voted to trigger art50 and in the end they voted to the EU withdrawal bill. Everyone I have spoken to on this issue has known that it would cost money in the short term, but worth it for the long term gain.


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Post by Andy on Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:58 pm

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Post by Syl on Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:06 pm

Andy wrote:Dyk  is a dyed in the wool Thatcherite Tory.
His philosophy is help the rich , stuff the poor.l

Well on the other thread he seems to think denying the elderly their free TV licence is wrong....so he cant be all Tory. Wink

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:25 pm

Andy wrote:Dyk  is a dyed in the wool Thatcherite Tory.
His philosophy is help the rich , stuff the poor.l
yes I am, but at least I am not an antisemite voting for an anti Semite party .

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:27 pm

Andy wrote:Dyk  is a dyed in the wool Thatcherite Tory.
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please explain why taxing rich people at a higher rate than poor people is fair?
I say this as someone who's income does not even reach the tax allowance limit.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:29 pm

Syl wrote:
Andy wrote:Dyk  is a dyed in the wool Thatcherite Tory.
His philosophy is help the rich , stuff the poor.l

Well on the other thread he seems to think denying the elderly their free TV licence is wrong....so he cant be all Tory. Wink
what isn't fair is the taxpayer paying the tv licence of mp's on nearly £80grand for 2 homes in many cases.

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Post by nicko on Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:44 pm

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Post by Andy on Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:30 pm

It costs too much to means test every over 75 year old. Just let them continue having it free. God knows, the Beeb will raise the price for everyone else anyway.
Perhaps if they ditched EastEnders and Gary Lineker, that would cost the fees.

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Post by nicko on Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:25 pm

They could stop sending dozens of people to cover events when a handful would do.
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Post by Jules on Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:15 pm

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@DYK:First off, I know nowt about "project fear".
The only fearful thing I saw during the entire 2 year campaign was the cold blooded murder of a woman MP in broad daylight.



Secondly, it's no use suddenly getting all aloof & hoity-toity over the subject of money as if it's a shallow topic...……....……. when in fact the very word  money is one of the trio of key Brexit issues, an integral part of the Brexit mantra as our resident Brexiteer reminded us. 



Why do you think money is incorporated into the triad? -  if it's so unimportant?
True, it's not the only driving force, I certainly don't need reminding of that. Wink Wink Wink 


But it's a key issue in the Brexit mantra - as TM pointed out.


Extreme austerity impacts devastatingly on people's lives, especially the most vulnerable - the poorest, the mentally ill, the addicts etc.
the murder, terrible as it was had nothing to do with brexit. It was condemned by all sides of the political spectrum.

Project fear was the gov campaign to frighten people into voting remain by suggesting there would be an immediate recession, 800000 job losses, a stock market crash, a house market crash, an emergency budget amongst other doom and gloom warnings. these were not warnings about when we finally left, these were warnings about voting to leave and would immediately follow the vote. The chancellor at the time said it would cost every family £4300.
The british people did not listen to them then and voted 52 -48 to leave. It matters not a jot which constituencies voted to leave although it was over 450 that voted to leave, it was a clear instruction to all mp's remain or leave what the people wanted to do. the mp's overwhelmingly voted to hold the ref, they overwhelmingly voted to trigger art50 and in the end they voted to the EU withdrawal bill. Everyone I have spoken to on this issue has known that it would cost money in the short term, but worth it for the long term gain.


Wrong!!
The murderer made it crystal clear he did it cos of the EU. His political motive is officially recorded as the only reason.
 
Secondly it's untrue that the whole political spectrum condemned it. A party at the extreme part of the political spectrum  spawned this monster and indoctrinated him to the eyeballs. They might as well have handed him a loaded gun. Some members were jailed for praising him. The party has now been forcibly deregistered.


One thing I forgot to mention earlier was the NI hard border issue. It could ultimately split the UK up - unthinkable.

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Post by Jules on Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:25 pm

Yes DYK, you're right, people who voted Leave are aware that it might cause a plunging of living standards. In fact I'd go further and say a certain extreme minority of them probably HOPE we will hit rock bottom financially and then of course this will pave the way for them to turn on all the various groups they dislike, and scapegoat them for the crisis,  in the exact way Hitler did so successfully with innocent Jews.  A perfect storm.


The EU are in no mood to do us any favours after all this. 
But I hope it all works out well eventually and I hope the UK gets a smooth ride thru this.
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:56 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Andy wrote:Dyk  is a dyed in the wool Thatcherite Tory.
His philosophy is help the rich , stuff the poor.l
please explain why taxing rich people at a higher rate than poor people is fair?
I say this as someone who's income does not even reach the tax allowance limit.

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It's "fair" because the rich can well afford to pay more, while a lot more of the poorer person's income goes towards the basic necessities of life...

Then there's the small fact that so many uber-rich people have made much of their wealth from illicit activities, from fucking over the planet in a big way, and/or trading in the misery of others..

Meanwhile, the old claim that the wealthier people are the ones "creating new jobs" has been proven to be pure and total bullshit over the last 40 or so years, as the % of the total workforce employed by the "big end of town" has dropped from over 25% in the 1970s to less than 15% these days, largely thanks to mechanisation, automation, "off-shoring" and out-sourcing.

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Post by Andy on Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:13 pm

Jules wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
the murder, terrible as it was had nothing to do with brexit. It was condemned by all sides of the political spectrum.

Project fear was the gov campaign to frighten people into voting remain by suggesting there would be an immediate recession, 800000 job losses, a stock market crash, a house market crash, an emergency budget amongst other doom and gloom warnings. these were not warnings about when we finally left, these were warnings about voting to leave and would immediately follow the vote. The chancellor at the time said it would cost every family £4300.
The british people did not listen to them then and voted 52 -48 to leave. It matters not a jot which constituencies voted to leave although it was over 450 that voted to leave, it was a clear instruction to all mp's remain or leave what the people wanted to do. the mp's overwhelmingly voted to hold the ref, they overwhelmingly voted to trigger art50 and in the end they voted to the EU withdrawal bill. Everyone I have spoken to on this issue has known that it would cost money in the short term, but worth it for the long term gain.


Wrong!!
The murderer made it crystal clear he did it cos of the EU. His political motive is officially recorded as the only reason.
 
Secondly it's untrue that the whole political spectrum condemned it. A party at the extreme part of the political spectrum  spawned this monster and indoctrinated him to the eyeballs. They might as well have handed him a loaded gun. Some members were jailed for praising him. The party has now been forcibly deregistered.


One thing I forgot to mention earlier was the NI hard border issue. It could ultimately split the UK up - unthinkable.
And NEVER forget that 2 former members of Dyk's flop forum heavily support that far right group of fascist thugs. 
They were 2 of his most prolific posters , fully supported by Dyk until even he couldn't  justify their place on his forum.
They still spew their hate and sick bile on other racist sites

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:17 pm

Jules wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
the murder, terrible as it was had nothing to do with brexit. It was condemned by all sides of the political spectrum.

Project fear was the gov campaign to frighten people into voting remain by suggesting there would be an immediate recession, 800000 job losses, a stock market crash, a house market crash, an emergency budget amongst other doom and gloom warnings. these were not warnings about when we finally left, these were warnings about voting to leave and would immediately follow the vote. The chancellor at the time said it would cost every family £4300.
The british people did not listen to them then and voted 52 -48 to leave. It matters not a jot which constituencies voted to leave although it was over 450 that voted to leave, it was a clear instruction to all mp's remain or leave what the people wanted to do. the mp's overwhelmingly voted to hold the ref, they overwhelmingly voted to trigger art50 and in the end they voted to the EU withdrawal bill. Everyone I have spoken to on this issue has known that it would cost money in the short term, but worth it for the long term gain.


Wrong!!
The murderer made it crystal clear he did it cos of the EU. His political motive is officially recorded as the only reason.
 
Secondly it's untrue that the whole political spectrum condemned it. A party at the extreme part of the political spectrum  spawned this monster and indoctrinated him to the eyeballs. They might as well have handed him a loaded gun. Some members were jailed for praising him. The party has now been forcibly deregistered.


One thing I forgot to mention earlier was the NI hard border issue. It could ultimately split the UK up - unthinkable.



Waffle!


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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:19 pm

Jules wrote:Yes DYK, you're right, people who voted Leave are aware that it might cause a plunging of living standards. In fact I'd go further and say a certain extreme minority of them probably HOPE we will hit rock bottom financially and then of course this will pave the way for them to turn on all the various groups they dislike, and scapegoat them for the crisis,  in the exact way Hitler did so successfully with innocent Jews.  A perfect storm.


The EU are in no mood to do us any favours after all this. 
But I hope it all works out well eventually and I hope the UK gets a smooth ride thru this.
Over & out.


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Post by Jules on Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:27 am

Andy wrote:It costs too much to means test every over 75 year old. Just let them continue having it free. God knows, the Beeb will raise the price for everyone else anyway.
Perhaps if they ditched EastEnders and Gary Lineker, that would cost the fees.
Wise words !
I had a feeling this would happen, tho, Andy. I predicted it few months ago.
Night luv. xx

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:35 am

Jules wrote:
Andy wrote:It costs too much to means test every over 75 year old. Just let them continue having it free. God knows, the Beeb will raise the price for everyone else anyway.
Perhaps if they ditched EastEnders and Gary Lineker, that would cost the fees.
Wise words !
I had a feeling this would happen, tho, Andy. I predicted it few months ago.
Night luv. xx



You are now posting stuff on the wrong thread...


Seems you have lost touch with reality lately...



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Post by Jules on Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:45 am

It's late!
Maybe you should find something better to do than running around looking for posts to troll.

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Post by Jules on Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:57 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
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Wise words !
I had a feeling this would happen, tho, Andy. I predicted it few months ago.
Night luv. xx

You are now posting stuff on the wrong thread...


Seems you have lost touch with reality lately... 

I was the 4th poster to make reference to TV licences after 3 other people had already done so in this very thread.

All I did was post a short REPLY agreeing with  someone who wanted free TV licences for the over 75's to continue.

I think you were frustrated that I ignored your pathetic trolling posts.

Bloody fool ! geek

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:08 pm

Jules wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

You are now posting stuff on the wrong thread...


Seems you have lost touch with reality lately... 

I was the 4th poster to make reference to TV licences after 3 other people had already done so in this very thread.

All I did was post a short REPLY agreeing with  someone who wanted free TV licences for the over 75's to continue.

I think you were frustrated that I ignored your pathetic trolling posts.

Bloody fool ! geek


But it's ok when you troll me around the forum I suppose...?

So don't complain when I do it back to you!!!


lol!



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Post by Jules on Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:31 pm

No, you got it wrong.
You mistakenly assumed I'd posted on the wrong thread, when I'd simply REPLIED to a post on the thread.


I don't ''follow you around'', you precious little snowflake.  lol!
Anyway I've already said I won't participate further in any of these heated Brexit arguments. 
I posted my views on it, as a ''one-of''.
But if I see you (or anyone else) make any other posts which look blatantly wrong or illinformed I will quite likely challenge them (if I'm around).
It's a forum!

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Post by Jules on Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:33 pm

Btw I never troll.
It's simply not in my nature.
Disagreeing with an opinion ain't ''trolling''.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:21 pm

Yawn...

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