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Post by Maddog on Fri May 17, 2019 9:36 pm

Don't have a source, except a friend of mine working in Austin at the capitol. It's on the way to the Governor's desk.

A little more freedom, but a long way to go.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri May 17, 2019 9:40 pm

I hope it passes, those things are not only bullshit for drivers, they're harmful as well.

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Post by Maddog on Fri May 17, 2019 9:44 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I hope it passes, those things are not only bullshit for drivers, they're harmful as well.

It passed the Senate. It just needs Abbot's signature.

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Post by Cass on Sat May 18, 2019 4:10 am

Well since we kicked them out, accidents and red light running leading to near misses had risen. Hmmmm I wonder why scratch

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Post by Cass on Sat May 18, 2019 4:11 am

Ben Reilly wrote:I hope it passes, those things are not only bullshit for drivers, they're harmful as well.

The cameras are not harmful, stupid ass drivers are.

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Post by Eilzel on Sat May 18, 2019 5:54 am

Cass wrote:Well since we kicked them out, accidents and red light running leading to near misses had risen. Hmmmm I wonder why scratch

Nah, can't think of anything Laughing

Full agree with your last post. It is ridiculous. I remember hearing an argument a while ago against speed cameras in the UK. It went something like this:

"Speed cameras actually make roads more dangerous because what happens is people just speed up more between the camera then slow down again when they know one is near."

I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist.

As if THAT is any argument at all. It's still the driver being a prick in the end.

My dad endlessly goes on about how they are only designed to get money out of people, and how it's BS that they fine you for being 1-3 mph over the limit.

As I tell him, this is a BS complaint. Just go 1-3 mph slower and you won't be fined...

It is all just excuses.

In Thailand they have FAR fewer cameras. And the ones they have are ONLY on highways. Traffic laws are rarely enforced.

And guess what. You might not believe this, but Thailand is NUMBER ONE in the world for road accidents. Second is Libya, I think.

The correlation isn't hard to figure out.

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Post by Cass on Sat May 18, 2019 6:29 am

Eilzel wrote:
Cass wrote:Well since we kicked them out, accidents and red light running leading to near misses had risen. Hmmmm I wonder why scratch

Nah, can't think of anything Laughing

Full agree with your last post. It is ridiculous. I remember hearing an argument a while ago against speed cameras in the UK. It went something like this:

"Speed cameras actually make roads more dangerous because what happens is people just speed up more between the camera then slow down again when they know one is near."

I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist.

As if THAT is any argument at all. It's still the driver being a prick in the end.

My dad endlessly goes on about how they are only designed to get money out of people, and how it's BS that they fine you for being 1-3 mph over the limit.

As I tell him, this is a BS complaint. Just go 1-3 mph slower and you won't be fined...

It is all just excuses.

In Thailand they have FAR fewer cameras. And the ones they have are ONLY on highways. Traffic laws are rarely enforced.

And guess what. You might not believe this, but Thailand is NUMBER ONE in the world for road accidents. Second is Libya, I think.

The correlation isn't hard to figure out.

Thailand number one? I’m SHOCKED.

Yes to everything you said. When I first moved over here I worked at the local municipal court (because no library jobs. It was a swell experience let me tell you). We had one idiot who got caught by the SAME camera 4 times on the SAME day. He tried to fight it in court. The judge and I had a very hard time not cracking up. If I had a dollar for every time I heard all of the excuses I would be writing this from Hawaii. Maybe Belize. Or France.

Anyhoos. Drive the speed limit or under, stop correctly at red lights and stop signs, follow all the traffic laws and you won’t get a ticket. It really is that simple. People only tend to follow rules if the consequences for not doing so hit them
In the pocket, or take away a privilege (I mean isn’t that how we are supposed to teach our children).

I’ve had one ticket 2 years ago in 33 years of driving and I was going downhill, sneezed, foot went down on accelerator and I was going over. When he stopped me, I said I’m so sorry, never has happened before but yes I did it. He gave me a ticket that cost the least amount and no points because I was upfront and honest and apologized and he could see my driving record when he ran my license.

If someone slams on their breaks in front of you, you should be driving at least 3 car lengths away to avoid crashing into the back of them but people don’t do that.

The fallacy that people spout when they get caught, that the cameras are “fixed” or are “not calibrated correctly” is just that. A fallacy.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat May 18, 2019 8:12 am

Cass wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

Nah, can't think of anything Laughing

Full agree with your last post. It is ridiculous. I remember hearing an argument a while ago against speed cameras in the UK. It went something like this:

"Speed cameras actually make roads more dangerous because what happens is people just speed up more between the camera then slow down again when they know one is near."

I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist.

As if THAT is any argument at all. It's still the driver being a prick in the end.

My dad endlessly goes on about how they are only designed to get money out of people, and how it's BS that they fine you for being 1-3 mph over the limit.

As I tell him, this is a BS complaint. Just go 1-3 mph slower and you won't be fined...

It is all just excuses.

In Thailand they have FAR fewer cameras. And the ones they have are ONLY on highways. Traffic laws are rarely enforced.

And guess what. You might not believe this, but Thailand is NUMBER ONE in the world for road accidents. Second is Libya, I think.

The correlation isn't hard to figure out.

Thailand number one? I’m SHOCKED.

Yes to everything you said. When I first moved over here I worked at the local municipal court (because no library jobs. It was a swell experience let me tell you). We had one idiot who got caught by the SAME camera 4 times on the SAME day. He tried to fight it in court. The judge and I had a very hard time not cracking up. If I had a dollar for every time I heard all of the excuses I would be writing this from Hawaii. Maybe Belize. Or France.

Anyhoos. Drive the speed limit or under, stop correctly at red lights and stop signs, follow all the traffic laws and you won’t get a ticket. It really is that simple. People only tend to follow rules if the consequences for not doing so hit them
In the pocket, or take away a privilege (I mean isn’t that how we are supposed to teach our children).

I’ve had one ticket 2 years ago in 33 years of driving and I was going downhill, sneezed, foot went down on accelerator and I was going over. When he stopped me, I said I’m so sorry, never has happened before but yes I did it. He gave me a ticket that cost the least amount and no points because I was upfront and honest and apologized and he could see my driving record when he ran my license.

If someone slams on their breaks in front of you, you should be driving at least 3 car lengths away to avoid crashing into the back of them but people don’t do that.

The fallacy that people spout when they get caught, that the cameras are “fixed” or are “not calibrated correctly” is just that. A fallacy.

Exactly! There have been accidents where someone goes into the back of another car because it suddenly slowed down. How many times do people have to be told to keep their distance? I actually had to open my window and gesticulate at a woman who was behind me because she was right up my bumper the whole time. I keep my distance but then often another driver overtakes and fills in the gap so I have to drop back again.

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Post by Eilzel on Sat May 18, 2019 9:11 am

Cass wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Cass wrote:Well since we kicked them out, accidents and red light running leading to near misses had risen. Hmmmm I wonder why scratch

Nah, can't think of anything Laughing

Full agree with your last post. It is ridiculous. I remember hearing an argument a while ago against speed cameras in the UK. It went something like this:

"Speed cameras actually make roads more dangerous because what happens is people just speed up more between the camera then slow down again when they know one is near."

I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist.

As if THAT is any argument at all. It's still the driver being a prick in the end.

My dad endlessly goes on about how they are only designed to get money out of people, and how it's BS that they fine you for being 1-3 mph over the limit.

As I tell him, this is a BS complaint. Just go 1-3 mph slower and you won't be fined...

It is all just excuses.

In Thailand they have FAR fewer cameras. And the ones they have are ONLY on highways. Traffic laws are rarely enforced.

And guess what. You might not believe this, but Thailand is NUMBER ONE in the world for road accidents. Second is Libya, I think.

The correlation isn't hard to figure out.

Thailand number one? I’m SHOCKED.

Yes to everything you said. When I first moved over here I worked at the local municipal court (because no library jobs. It was a swell experience let me tell you). We had one idiot who got caught by the SAME camera 4 times on the SAME day. He tried to fight it in court. The judge and I had a very hard time not cracking up. If I had a dollar for every time I heard all of the excuses I would be writing this from Hawaii. Maybe Belize. Or France.

Anyhoos. Drive the speed limit or under, stop correctly at red lights and stop signs, follow all the traffic laws and you won’t get a ticket. It really is that simple. People only tend to follow rules if the consequences for not doing so hit them
In the pocket, or take away a privilege (I mean isn’t that how we are supposed to teach our children).

I’ve had one ticket 2 years ago in 33 years of driving and I was going downhill, sneezed, foot went down on accelerator and I was going over. When he stopped me, I said I’m so sorry, never has happened before but yes I did it. He gave me a ticket that cost the least amount and no points because I was upfront and honest and apologized and he could see my driving record when he ran my license.

If someone slams on their breaks in front of you, you should be driving at least 3 car lengths away to avoid crashing into the back of them but people don’t do that.

The fallacy that people spout when they get caught, that the cameras are “fixed” or are “not calibrated correctly” is just that. A fallacy.

Right, so many simple rules to follow. You'd think it was asking the earth with some people Laughing

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Post by phildidge on Sat May 18, 2019 2:26 pm

Cass wrote:Well since we kicked them out, accidents and red light running leading to near misses had risen. Hmmmm I wonder why scratch

Are you sure?

https://bigthink.com/want-less-car-accidents-get-rid-of-traffic-signals-road-signs

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-06-traffic-light-controlled-intersections-fatal-accidents.html

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Post by Maddog on Sat May 18, 2019 2:38 pm

phildidge wrote:
Cass wrote:Well since we kicked them out, accidents and red light running leading to near misses had risen. Hmmmm I wonder why scratch

Are you sure?

https://bigthink.com/want-less-car-accidents-get-rid-of-traffic-signals-road-signs

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-06-traffic-light-controlled-intersections-fatal-accidents.html


Red light cameras dramatically increase rear-end collisions. A yellow light did not used to mean slam on your brakes and stop as quickly as you possibly can. With red light cameras, that's what a yellow light turned into.

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Post by Maddog on Sat May 18, 2019 2:45 pm

In a study I co-authored with economist Paul J. Fisher, we examined all police-recorded traffic accidents for three large Texas cities over a 12-year period – hundreds of thousands of accidents. We found no evidence that red light cameras improve public safety. They don’t reduce the total number of vehicle accidents, the total number of individuals injured in accidents or the total number of incapacitating injuries that involve ambulance transport to a hospital.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/red-light-cameras-may-not-make-streets-safer/?redirect=1


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Post by Cass on Sat May 18, 2019 3:47 pm

phildidge wrote:
Cass wrote:Well since we kicked them out, accidents and red light running leading to near misses had risen. Hmmmm I wonder why scratch

Are you sure?

https://bigthink.com/want-less-car-accidents-get-rid-of-traffic-signals-road-signs

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-06-traffic-light-controlled-intersections-fatal-accidents.html

First one behind a paywall.

Second is dealing with traffic lights vs red light cameras.

It’s down to people not paying attention.

And yes my town has seen a significant increase in the areas where the cameras were and then taken out.

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Post by Cass on Sat May 18, 2019 4:03 pm

Maddog wrote:In a study I co-authored with economist Paul J. Fisher, we examined all police-recorded traffic accidents for three large Texas cities over a 12-year period – hundreds of thousands of accidents. We found no evidence that red light cameras improve public safety. They don’t reduce the total number of vehicle accidents, the total number of individuals injured in accidents or the total number of incapacitating injuries that involve ambulance transport to a hospital.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/red-light-cameras-may-not-make-streets-safer/?redirect=1


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Were you the co-author?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat May 18, 2019 4:36 pm

I'm for cameras everywhere. Right now, we are in a crisis of truth vs. lies...and to a lesser extent, spin vs. truth.

The more cameras there are out there, the less bullshite.

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Post by Maddog on Sat May 18, 2019 4:40 pm

Cass wrote:
Maddog wrote:In a study I co-authored with economist Paul J. Fisher, we examined all police-recorded traffic accidents for three large Texas cities over a 12-year period – hundreds of thousands of accidents. We found no evidence that red light cameras improve public safety. They don’t reduce the total number of vehicle accidents, the total number of individuals injured in accidents or the total number of incapacitating injuries that involve ambulance transport to a hospital.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/red-light-cameras-may-not-make-streets-safer/?redirect=1


Any questions  




Were you the co-author?

No questions but lots of comments but it’s Mr. C’s birthday today and it’s Saturday which means errands so back later or tomorrow Cool

Someone far more intelligent than I.

Do you think Scientific Ameican would let me write for them?

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