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Post by Cass on Wed May 15, 2019 5:35 am

Alabama, making every other asshat look good since 1819. They along with Georgia are excelling in turning back time.

Stay out of women’s wombs you asshats. All this will do is make lawyers rich. Use of taxpayer dollars at its finest.

No exemptions for rape or incest. The Handmaid’s Tale brought to life. I’m so proud I could throw up. Evil or Very Mad

Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/14/alabama-abortion-bill-vote-details-rape-incest-amendment/3674434002/

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Post by Eilzel on Wed May 15, 2019 5:57 am

Cass wrote:Alabama, making every other asshat look good since 1819. They along with Georgia are excelling in turning back time.

Stay out of women’s wombs you asshats. All this will do is make lawyers rich. Use of taxpayer dollars at its finest.

No exemptions for rape or incest. The Handmaid’s Tale brought to life. I’m so proud I could throw up.  Evil or Very Mad

Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/14/alabama-abortion-bill-vote-details-rape-incest-amendment/3674434002/

It's a covert way of legitimately bringing their own sister's baby into the world Laughing

Seriously though, that rotten strip of America (at least the rural parts of it) is determined to set the nation back decades. It really does seem like a split country, whether than be urban/rural or red/blue. Half of it is way ahead, the other half would be better suited in the Middle East...

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Post by Cass on Wed May 15, 2019 6:13 am

Eilzel wrote:
Cass wrote:Alabama, making every other asshat look good since 1819. They along with Georgia are excelling in turning back time.

Stay out of women’s wombs you asshats. All this will do is make lawyers rich. Use of taxpayer dollars at its finest.

No exemptions for rape or incest. The Handmaid’s Tale brought to life. I’m so proud I could throw up.  Evil or Very Mad

Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/14/alabama-abortion-bill-vote-details-rape-incest-amendment/3674434002/

It's a covert way of legitimately bringing their own sister's baby into the world Laughing

Seriously though, that rotten strip of America (at least the rural parts of it) is determined to set the nation back decades. It really does seem like a split country, whether than be urban/rural or red/blue. Half of it is way ahead, the other half would be better suited in the Middle East...

Christian Sharia Law no less.

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Post by Jules on Wed May 15, 2019 2:10 pm

@ title. I'm not surprised.

Ever since the meddlesome Feds banned southern folk from their beloved 18th century traditions such as keeping slaves and carrying out lynchings .... they've had to take up other odious hobbies like incest, to fill the void. Surprised

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Post by Original Quill on Wed May 15, 2019 4:08 pm

Southerners! Rolling Eyes

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Post by Jules on Thu May 16, 2019 3:30 pm

. .   alien . . . . .  but of course we musn't generalise, Q Laughing It's not ALL southerners that are responsible for this, or indeed the sins of the past, just a group of intransigent, primitive ones.  Surprised  


ETA: I see there are two other threads about the abortion debate - it's spread a bit too thinly atm lol.

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Post by Cass on Thu May 16, 2019 4:15 pm

https://www.glamour.com/story/these-are-the-25-men-who-voted-for-the-most-restrictive-abortion-ban-in-america


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Post by Cass on Thu May 16, 2019 4:17 pm

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-abortion-law-senate-passes-wide-ranging-bill-to-ban-abortions-at-eight-weeks-of-pregnancy/

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Post by Cass on Thu May 16, 2019 4:20 pm

They can all just fuck right off. The party of less intrusive government my ass. When states that rank among the lowest in education and highest in birth mortality rates show why they get there.

After Alabama OKs strictest abortion law in nation, Missouri could be next. Where states stand on abortion bans

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/16/alabama-abortion-law-missouri-could-follow-alabama-near-total-ban/3690899002/

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Post by Original Quill on Thu May 16, 2019 4:58 pm

Jules wrote:. .   alien . . . . .  but of course we musn't generalise, Q Laughing It's not ALL southerners that are responsible for this, or indeed the sins of the past, just a group of intransigent, primitive ones.  Surprised  


ETA: I see there are two other threads about the abortion debate - it's spread a bit too thinly atm lol.

There's nothing wrong with generalization.  We assume the laws of nature are general.  We assume human nature is general.  We assume cultures are general. We assume linguistic patterns are general.  Indeed, we don't hesitate to speak generally about the wicked nature of Nazi culture of the 30's and 40's of last century.  So...the caution is not that we shouldn't generalize, but thet we should generalize accurately.

Having lived in all parts of the US, in the UK, and on the Continent, I have opinions about the general nature of certain regions.  There are indeed many great people living in the south…and I urge them, if they are good, to move elsewhere.

But the south is responsible in every aspect for the evil reputation that the US has in the world.  Guns?  Abortion?  Racism?  Misogyny?  Loud?  Intolerant?  Abrasive?  It all is part of the southern culture and values.  Neither the west coast, nor the northeast deserve any inclusion in that reputation.

I have come up with a simple solution to that problem.  We separate the south from the rest of the country, and let them and their values float off to fend for themselves.  Had we but all the world and time, we might attempt to reform them.  But the task is much too great before they carry us into the valley of the shadow of disaster.  I think my solution is the lesser, more feasible answer.  Eventually, you will see the wisdom of my approach.

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Post by Maddog on Thu May 16, 2019 8:50 pm

Do Republicans not understand that this will only increase the number of Democrats able to vote in about 18 years?

Didn't they pay any attention to Margaret Sanger? Cool

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Post by Cass on Fri May 17, 2019 2:01 am

I’m stunned. Stunned I tell ya Rolling Eyes

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anti-abortion-rep-tim-murphy-asked-mistress-terminate/story?id=50274843

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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri May 17, 2019 2:14 am

Maddog wrote:Do Republicans not understand that this will only increase the number of Democrats able to vote in about 18 years?

Didn't they pay any attention to Margaret Sanger?  Cool  

Basketball

Those desperately sinister Repub's do seem to be putting all their eggs in the one basket...

Hoping that many of their brother/sister and father/daughter couplings in Alabama, Tennessee, Missouri, Mississippi and Georgia will keep on breeding fast enough to outnumber those evil "liberal progressives" on both the West and East Coasts..

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Post by Maddog on Fri May 17, 2019 5:16 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:Do Republicans not understand that this will only increase the number of Democrats able to vote in about 18 years?

Didn't they pay any attention to Margaret Sanger?  Cool  

Basketball

Those desperately sinister Repub's do seem to be putting all their eggs in the one basket...

Hoping that many of their brother/sister and father/daughter couplings in Alabama, Tennessee, Missouri, Mississippi and Georgia will keep on breeding fast enough to outnumber those evil "liberal progressives" on both the West and East Coasts..

Went right over your head. This is about democrats in those states.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri May 17, 2019 9:11 am

Maddog wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Basketball

Those desperately sinister Repub's do seem to be putting all their eggs in the one basket...

Hoping that many of their brother/sister and father/daughter couplings in Alabama, Tennessee, Missouri, Mississippi and Georgia will keep on breeding fast enough to outnumber those evil "liberal progressives" on both the West and East Coasts..

Went right over your head. This is about democrats in those states.  

Rolling Eyes

No it didn't, you stupid snivelling fuckwit troll...

It's the Repub's making stupid laws in stupid backwards redneck states..

Those incest and rape babies are from predominantly Repib' and 'Libertarian' parents.

Even if every extra inbred and rape-spawned infant survives down there,  they will probably still be voting for your beloved Republicans --  it's in thekr genes..

You and FatDawg are equally pathetic whenever either of you try and be funny on here, SmellyDumbFuck...

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Post by nicko on Fri May 17, 2019 12:59 pm

Why is Wolfie getting away with this? he can't answer a thread without insulting the Poster !come on Mods, You said-----" Polite and Civil " he's far from it !
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Post by Andy on Fri May 17, 2019 2:25 pm

In fairness,  Mad dog and Skunk are trolling with their answers.
No sane persona can condone this law, hence their approval of it is trolling, and simply to antagonize.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Basketball

Those desperately sinister Repub's do seem to be putting all their eggs in the one basket...

Hoping that many of their brother/sister and father/daughter couplings in Alabama, Tennessee, Missouri, Mississippi and Georgia will keep on breeding fast enough to outnumber those evil "liberal progressives" on both the West and East Coasts..

Went right over your head. This is about democrats in those states.  

Rolling Eyes

No it didn't, you stupid snivelling fuckwit troll...

It's the Repub's making stupid laws in stupid backwards redneck states..

Those incest and rape babies are from predominantly Repib' and 'Libertarian' parents.

Even if every extra inbred and rape-spawned infant survives down there,  they will probably still be voting for your beloved Republicans --  it's in thekr genes..

You and FatDawg are equally pathetic whenever either of you try and be funny on here, SmellyDumbFuck...

ENJOY A FEW DAYS IN THE BASEMENT, MAYBE YOU WILL LEARN SOME MANNERS....,. mod LF

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Post by nicko on Fri May 17, 2019 3:34 pm

Well done Vic, he seems to have a very large Chip on Shoulder !
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Post by Maddog on Fri May 17, 2019 4:41 pm

Cass wrote:Alabama Loved Incest B5206e10

Who passed Roe v Wade? Cool

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Post by Maddog on Fri May 17, 2019 4:42 pm

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There is no penalty for abortion, at least against the woman.

Now the doctor................

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Post by Maddog on Fri May 17, 2019 4:43 pm

Andy wrote:In fairness,  Mad dog and Skunk are trolling with their answers.
No sane persona can condone this law, hence their approval of it is trolling, and simply to antagonize.

I play Devil's advocate.

I also point out non sequitars, like the one you just posted.

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Post by Maddog on Fri May 17, 2019 4:45 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Went right over your head. This is about democrats in those states.  

Rolling Eyes

No it didn't, you stupid snivelling fuckwit troll...

It's the Repub's making stupid laws in stupid backwards redneck states..

Those incest and rape babies are from predominantly Repib' and 'Libertarian' parents.

Even if every extra inbred and rape-spawned infant survives down there,  they will probably still be voting for your beloved Republicans --  it's in thekr genes..

You and FatDawg are equally pathetic whenever either of you try and be funny on here, SmellyDumbFuck...

You're missing the point about Margaret Sanger, and one of the diving reasons behind her support of abortion.


Here's a hint she supported eugenics. Cool

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Post by Maddog on Fri May 17, 2019 4:51 pm

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members,” she wrote


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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri May 17, 2019 6:46 pm

What does any of this have to do with Alabama loving incest?

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Post by Maddog on Fri May 17, 2019 8:27 pm

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

Again, why limiting abortion in Alabama will work against the Republicans in that state.

Unless you're not aware of the political party that 90% of Blacks support.

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Post by phildidge on Fri May 17, 2019 9:34 pm

Cass wrote:Alabama, making every other asshat look good since 1819. They along with Georgia are excelling in turning back time.

Stay out of women’s wombs you asshats. All this will do is make lawyers rich. Use of taxpayer dollars at its finest.

No exemptions for rape or incest. The Handmaid’s Tale brought to life. I’m so proud I could throw up.  Evil or Very Mad

Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/14/alabama-abortion-bill-vote-details-rape-incest-amendment/3674434002/

I have always believed that a woman has the right to decide over her own body

Nobody should dictate to say why

What I really find absurd is when people make claims on rape and incest to then say its okay to take life.

Does one wrong mean another wrong is okay?

I hope to think that a fetus is not a human being before 13 weeks, but how can anyone argue, that its okay to abort a lifeform, based on the wrongs done to the mother?

Ethically abortion is wrong, but so is forcing a woman to carry something that she does not want to carry

A couple more posts and I will be out of here for some time

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Fri May 17, 2019 10:45 pm

Cass wrote:Alabama, making every other asshat look good since 1819. They along with Georgia are excelling in turning back time.

Stay out of women’s wombs you asshats. All this will do is make lawyers rich. Use of taxpayer dollars at its finest.

No exemptions for rape or incest. The Handmaid’s Tale brought to life. I’m so proud I could throw up.  Evil or Very Mad

Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/14/alabama-abortion-bill-vote-details-rape-incest-amendment/3674434002/

It’s shocking!!!!!

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Fri May 17, 2019 10:46 pm

Cass wrote:They can all just fuck right off. The party of less intrusive government my ass. When states that rank among the lowest in education and highest in birth mortality rates show why they get there.

After Alabama OKs strictest abortion law in nation, Missouri could be next. Where states stand on abortion bans

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/16/alabama-abortion-law-missouri-could-follow-alabama-near-total-ban/3690899002/

Other states may also follow!

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Post by Original Quill on Sat May 18, 2019 2:49 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cass wrote:They can all just fuck right off. The party of less intrusive government my ass. When states that rank among the lowest in education and highest in birth mortality rates show why they get there.

After Alabama OKs strictest abortion law in nation, Missouri could be next. Where states stand on abortion bans

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/16/alabama-abortion-law-missouri-could-follow-alabama-near-total-ban/3690899002/

Other states may also follow!

Missouri already has.

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Post by Cass on Sat May 18, 2019 3:49 am

Raggamuffin wrote:What does any of this have to do with Alabama loving incest?

Because they will not allow abortion at any time even if the woman has been raped or subjected to incest.

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Post by Cass on Sat May 18, 2019 3:50 am

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Cass wrote:Alabama, making every other asshat look good since 1819. They along with Georgia are excelling in turning back time.

Stay out of women’s wombs you asshats. All this will do is make lawyers rich. Use of taxpayer dollars at its finest.

No exemptions for rape or incest. The Handmaid’s Tale brought to life. I’m so proud I could throw up.  Evil or Very Mad

Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/14/alabama-abortion-bill-vote-details-rape-incest-amendment/3674434002/

It’s shocking!!!!!

It’s disgusting.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat May 18, 2019 8:05 am

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Raggamuffin wrote:What does any of this have to do with Alabama loving incest?

Because they will not allow abortion at any time even if the woman has been raped or subjected to incest.


That's not the same as "Alabama loving incest". Anyway, what if the woman wasn't "subjected" to it but was an equal partner in it?

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Post by Maddog on Sat May 18, 2019 2:50 pm

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Because they will not allow abortion at any time even if the woman has been raped or subjected to incest.


That's not the same as "Alabama loving incest". Anyway, what if the woman wasn't "subjected" to it but was an equal partner in it?

Now we need a new thread about incest. Should it be legal, as long as both parties are consenting adults? I mean it creeps me out, but do we have the right to put people in prison, who engage in sex with their close relatives?

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Post by Cass on Sat May 18, 2019 3:42 pm

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Because they will not allow abortion at any time even if the woman has been raped or subjected to incest.


That's not the same as "Alabama loving incest". Anyway, what if the woman wasn't "subjected" to it but was an equal partner in it?

Yes it is if they do not allow abortion because of it.

That is a completely different subject on consensual incest. Even if a woman was in a consensual incest relationship and wanted an abortion, she couldn’t get one either. This is about men legislating women’s bodies.

I personally do not like the idea of abortion and thank god I've never been put into a situation that would make me need one, but it’s not for me to dictate what other people do with their bodies, men or women. This law also affects access to birth control and sex education.

This is the state that almost voted in a paedophile.

This is one of the reason why there is separation of church and state in this country. Don’t believe in abortion? Don’t have one then. Simple. But don’t create punitive laws so other people cannot get one, especially where the penalty is worse than if you commit rape in the first place.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat May 18, 2019 4:49 pm

The most prevalent issue involving incest arises in the abortion debate.  I don't give a damn if some guy in Kentucky/south, and his sister, want to screw their eyes out.

Where it is truly evil is when a father or brother nonconsensually rapes a daughter/sister.  I think there are lot more occasions of that, then the Kentucky scenario.

That's why a discussion about incest needs to be involved in the question of abortion.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat May 18, 2019 4:57 pm

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That's not the same as "Alabama loving incest". Anyway, what if the woman wasn't "subjected" to it but was an equal partner in it?

Yes it is if they do not allow abortion because of it.

That is a completely different subject on consensual incest. Even if a woman was in a consensual incest relationship and wanted an abortion, she couldn’t get one either. This is about men legislating women’s bodies.

I personally do not like the idea of abortion and thank god I've never been put into a situation that would make me need one, but it’s not for me to dictate what other people do with their bodies, men or women. This law also affects access to birth control and sex education.

This is the state that almost voted in a paedophile.

This is one of the reason why there is separation of church and state in this country. Don’t believe in abortion? Don’t have one then. Simple. But don’t create punitive laws so other people cannot get one, especially where the penalty is worse than if you commit rape in the first place.

Not being able to get an abortion because of incest doesn't mean that Alabama loves incest though, it just means they won't make an exception. Why do you think they should?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat May 18, 2019 4:58 pm

Original Quill wrote:The most prevalent issue involving incest arises in the abortion debate.  I don't give a damn if some guy in Kentucky/south, and his sister, want to screw their eyes out.

Where it is truly evil is when a father or brother nonconsensually rapes a daughter/sister.  I think there are lot more occasions of that, then the Kentucky scenario.

That's why a discussion about incest needs to be involved in the question of abortion.

That's rape though, so it's a different issue.

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Post by Vintage on Sat May 18, 2019 5:06 pm

What is the term of office for these people? Are the general public in favour of this bill otherwise vote these legistrators out at the first possible opportunity. As I said in the other thread about this, they are hypocrites, do as I say not as I do. The rich will get around this law if the situation affects them or their family or mistresses as usual. Its happened for years rich young things had their 'gynaecological' medical problems taken care of in places like Harley Street long before abortion became legal, while those without rich daddies or sugar daddies had to resort to back street practitioners and take their chance with death and the law.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat May 18, 2019 5:14 pm

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Original Quill wrote:The most prevalent issue involving incest arises in the abortion debate.  I don't give a damn if some guy in Kentucky/south, and his sister, want to screw their eyes out.

Where it is truly evil is when a father or brother nonconsensually rapes a daughter/sister.  I think there are lot more occasions of that, then the Kentucky scenario.

That's why a discussion about incest needs to be involved in the question of abortion.

That's rape though, so it's a different issue.

It's the most common form of incest.  What's more important, definitional probity, or probability of a reoccurrence.  It's impossible not to consider it in the context of abortion.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat May 18, 2019 5:15 pm

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That's rape though, so it's a different issue.

It's the most common form of incest.  What's more important, definitional probity, or probability of a reoccurrence.  It's impossible not to consider it.

They've banned abortions after rape though, so the issue of incest is not relevant, whether it's rape or not.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat May 18, 2019 5:20 pm

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It's the most common form of incest.  What's more important, definitional probity, or probability of a reoccurrence.  It's impossible not to consider it.

They've banned abortions after rape though, so the issue of incest is not relevant, whether it's rape or not.

Incest is very relevant when it is a strong consideration in the question generally. Alabama and Missouri only come down on one side of the question. The issue is very much alive as a moral question.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat May 18, 2019 5:27 pm

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They've banned abortions after rape though, so the issue of incest is not relevant, whether it's rape or not.

Incest is very relevant when it is a strong consideration in the question generally.  Alabama and Missouri only come down on one side of the question.  The issue is very much alive as a moral question.

If incest is consensual, why do you think an exception should be made re abortion? Is it because you think the baby might be damaged in some way?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat May 18, 2019 5:30 pm

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Incest is very relevant when it is a strong consideration in the question generally.  Alabama and Missouri only come down on one side of the question.  The issue is very much alive as a moral question.

If incest is consensual, why do you think an exception should be made re abortion? Is it because you think the baby might be damaged in some way?

You've missed the whole point. Incest is most commonly not consensual.

You've got the tail wagging the dog.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat May 18, 2019 5:31 pm

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If incest is consensual, why do you think an exception should be made re abortion? Is it because you think the baby might be damaged in some way?

You've missed the whole point.  Incest is most commonly not consensual.

You've got the tail wagging the dog.

It's you who's missed the point. If you can't answer the question, that's up to you, but don't blame me. Incest is not the same as rape.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat May 18, 2019 5:43 pm

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You've missed the whole point.  Incest is most commonly not consensual.

You've got the tail wagging the dog.

It's you who's missed the point. If you can't answer the question, that's up to you, but don't blame me. Incest is not the same as rape.

No, but it most commonly occurs as a result of a rape situation. Included in any definition of association is: a correlation or causal connection. There is an association between rape and incest than cannot be ignored.

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It's you who's missed the point. If you can't answer the question, that's up to you, but don't blame me. Incest is not the same as rape.

No, but it most commonly occurs as a result of a rape situation.  Included in any definition of association is: a correlation or causal connection.  There is an association between rape and incest than cannot be ignored.

That's still not the point, and I'm not convinced it's true anyway. They have made no exceptions for rape or incest, indicating that they are two separate issues. In some States they consider sexual relations between first cousins to be incest, and in others they don't.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat May 18, 2019 7:14 pm

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No, but it most commonly occurs as a result of a rape situation.  Included in any definition of association is: a correlation or causal connection.  There is an association between rape and incest than cannot be ignored.

That's still not the point, and I'm not convinced it's true anyway.  They have made no exceptions for rape or incest, indicating that they are two separate issues. In some States they consider sexual relations between first cousins to be incest, and in others they don't.

I'll tell ya what. I'm making it the point. I also agree that rape and incest are two different problems, but with one common solution: exclude them from abortion laws, as having nothing to do with a woman's right to make a free choice.

Let's face it. Abortion laws are all about punishing women for being promiscuous, and not listening to their fathers. Otherwise, if they really cared for the child, people supporting anti-abortion laws would include provisions to support the child through college.

But no, they want to double down on the punishment by leaving the daughter destitute. Face it, that's what it's all about.

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