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Post by Andy on Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:44 am

Good.
I hope he died in searing agony, crying out for his mummy.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:46 pm

Andy wrote:Good.
I hope he died in searing agony, crying out for his mummy.

geranium.

https://news.sky.com/story/white-supremacist-executed-for-dragging-death-of-black-man-11702910

"Good" because he's a white supremacist or "good" because he's a cold, calculating and cruel murderer regardless of the colour of his victim, Andy?
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Post by Andy on Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:59 pm

Good because he will not cost a penny to incarcerate for 40 or so years, and because he will never spread his hatred ever again.
I wonder whether any posters here would have pardoned him?

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Post by Maddog on Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:13 pm

As a Texan I'm used to people protesting before an execution.

They were strangely silent the past few days.

Except for the victims family. They preferred that he not be executed.

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:20 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Andy wrote:Good.
I hope he died in searing agony, crying out for his mummy.

geranium.

https://news.sky.com/story/white-supremacist-executed-for-dragging-death-of-black-man-11702910

"Good" because he's a white supremacist or "good" because he's a cold, calculating and cruel murderer regardless of the colour of his victim, Andy?

Lol

You just drill a hole into his forehead with that one

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Post by Andy on Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:26 pm

And Stenchy grieves for a dead soulmate.

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Post by Jules on Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:36 pm

Andy wrote:Good.
I hope he died in searing agony, crying out for his mummy.

geranium.

https://news.sky.com/story/white-supremacist-executed-for-dragging-death-of-black-man-11702910

Some violent supremacists can convert to being good people after a quiet period of self reflection in jail. Or after counselling/awareness courses in their rehabilitation programme. Maybe those ones could be spared capital punishment.


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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:15 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Andy wrote:Good.
I hope he died in searing agony, crying out for his mummy.

geranium.

https://news.sky.com/story/white-supremacist-executed-for-dragging-death-of-black-man-11702910

"Good" because he's a white supremacist or "good" because he's a cold, calculating and cruel murderer regardless of the colour of his victim, Andy?

I've reported on this crime for years. It's a classic representation of southern callousness.

How do you separate, Fred, the causal chain that led to this heinous act? He is a racist in Texas (“they”--there were others, too), the victim is a black, he expressed his racism with an unspeakable act. To dissect this kind of crime divorced from its racism, and make it something more antiseptic, is patently false...and a disservice to morality.

Southerners are quite used to "a cold, calculating and cruel murder". It's part of their culture...divorce that culture, and the rest of the country goes on with it's excellent mission. Don't divorce that culture, and you keep the gangrene inside of you.

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Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

"Good" because he's a white supremacist or "good" because he's a cold, calculating and cruel murderer regardless of the colour of his victim, Andy?

I've reported on this crime for years.  It's a classic representation of southern callousness.

How do you separate, Fred, the causal chain that led to this heinous act?  He is a racist in Texas (“they”--there were others, too), the victim is a black, he expressed his racism with an unspeakable act.  To dissect this kind of crime divorced from its racism, and make it something more antiseptic, is patently false...and a disservice to morality.

Southerners are quite used to "a cold, calculating and cruel murder".  It's part of their culture...divorce that culture, and the rest of the country goes on with it's excellent mission.  Don't divorce that culture, and you keep the gangrene inside of you.

well lefties do that sort of thing all the time

everytime a Muslim terrorist screaming "allahu akbar, i do this for islam" blows up a load of people, you liberals are falling over yourselves to divorce islam from the crime, saying its not islam, its a single isolated incident (the hundredth in a row) or call it as obama did with fort hood - work place violence or some other sanitized terminology

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Post by phildidge on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:37 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I've reported on this crime for years.  It's a classic representation of southern callousness.

How do you separate, Fred, the causal chain that led to this heinous act?  He is a racist in Texas (“they”--there were others, too), the victim is a black, he expressed his racism with an unspeakable act.  To dissect this kind of crime divorced from its racism, and make it something more antiseptic, is patently false...and a disservice to morality.

Southerners are quite used to "a cold, calculating and cruel murder".  It's part of their culture...divorce that culture, and the rest of the country goes on with it's excellent mission.  Don't divorce that culture, and you keep the gangrene inside of you.

well lefties do that sort of thing all the time

everytime a Muslim terrorist screaming "allahu akbar, i do this for islam" blows up a load of people, you liberals are falling over yourselves to divorce islam from the crime, saying its not islam, its a single isolated incident (the hundredth in a row) or call it as obama did with fort hood - work place violence or some other sanitized terminology

A perfect example above of whataboutism

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:44 pm

Russe wrote:everytime a Muslim terrorist screaming "allahu akbar, i do this for islam" blows up a load of people, you liberals are falling over yourselves to divorce islam from the crime, saying its not islam, its a single isolated incident (the hundredth in a row) or call it as obama did with fort hood - work place violence or some other sanitized terminology

There are those who just want to do the same for the south: sever southernism from it's racism.  I understand the instinct.

Islam is so many cultures, and 2.18-billion people, that is harder to make the connection.  But in a microcosm like the American south, we all know the common values, beliefs and symbols.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:45 pm

phil wrote:A perfect example above of whataboutism

That's good phil. That's exactly what it is.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:47 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

"Good" because he's a white supremacist or "good" because he's a cold, calculating and cruel murderer regardless of the colour of his victim, Andy?

I've reported on this crime for years.  It's a classic representation of southern callousness.

How do you separate, Fred, the causal chain that led to this heinous act?  He is a racist in Texas (“they”--there were others, too), the victim is a black, he expressed his racism with an unspeakable act.  To dissect this kind of crime divorced from its racism, and make it something more antiseptic, is patently false...and a disservice to morality.

Southerners are quite used to "a cold, calculating and cruel murder".  It's part of their culture...divorce that culture, and the rest of the country goes on with it's excellent mission.  Don't divorce that culture, and you keep the gangrene inside of you.

From what I understand, the murderer claims to have been gang raped in prison by black men

Whether or not that is true, this is nothing to do with culture, but ideologies. As if there was such a hateful culture, why is most African American victims are murdered by mainly other African Americans?

Does that mean, using your logic, that An African American culture is more concerning than White Supremacy to African Americans?

Either this southern culture clearly does not exist, or its a only based around a teeny tiny minority

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Post by Jules on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:49 pm

Oh btw, this crime occurred practically at the dawn of the 21st century (just 2 years shy). It not the dark, evil confederate days of the 50's & 60's we're talking about. 

Yes of course ALL crime of this nature should be roundly condemned, which ever religion, ethnicity or political affiliation is involved, can't argue with that.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:54 pm

Jules wrote:Oh btw, this crime occurred practically at the dawn of the 21st century (just 2 years shy). It not the dark, evil confederate days of the 50's & 60's we're talking about. 

Yes of course ALL crime of this nature should be roundly condemned, which ever religion, ethnicity or political affiliation is involved, can't argue with that.

Agreed, this and other hate crimes, should always be condemned

It goes without saying Jules. Justice was served as far as i am concerned here.

What seems to be the case is now we have Quill arguing off a Southern Culture, which he cannot explain what this is or who it applies to.
Then we have smelly engage in whataboutism, failing to actually address Quills claim and points, by deflecting off around Islam

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:05 pm

phildidge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I've reported on this crime for years.  It's a classic representation of southern callousness.

How do you separate, Fred, the causal chain that led to this heinous act?  He is a racist in Texas (“they”--there were others, too), the victim is a black, he expressed his racism with an unspeakable act.  To dissect this kind of crime divorced from its racism, and make it something more antiseptic, is patently false...and a disservice to morality.

Southerners are quite used to "a cold, calculating and cruel murder".  It's part of their culture...divorce that culture, and the rest of the country goes on with it's excellent mission.  Don't divorce that culture, and you keep the gangrene inside of you.

From what I understand, the murderer claims to have been gang raped in prison by black men

Whether or not that is true, this is nothing to do with culture, but ideologies. As if there was such a hateful culture, why is most African American victims are murdered by mainly other African Americans?

Does that mean, using your logic, that An African American culture is more concerning than White Supremacy to African Americans?

Either this southern culture clearly does not exist, or its a only based around a teeny tiny minority

To respond would be gratuitous.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:07 pm

Original Quill wrote:
phildidge wrote:

From what I understand, the murderer claims to have been gang raped in prison by black men

Whether or not that is true, this is nothing to do with culture, but ideologies. As if there was such a hateful culture, why is most African American victims are murdered by mainly other African Americans?

Does that mean, using your logic, that An African American culture is more concerning than White Supremacy to African Americans?

Either this southern culture clearly does not exist, or its a only based around a teeny tiny minority

To respond would be gratuitous.

In other words, you simple do not want to contradict yourself. As by answering you will

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:31 pm

No, what I meant was, you are irrelevant. Rolling Eyes

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Post by phildidge on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:37 pm

Original Quill wrote:No, what I meant was, you are irrelevant.  Rolling Eyes

So more whataboutism

So smelly avoided your points

Played the whataboutism card

I answered your points and you played the whataboutism card

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:29 pm

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phil wrote:A perfect example above of whataboutism

That's good phil.  That's exactly what it is.

Also known as hypocrisy

Lefties : White supremacist kills because of racism

Also lefties : Islam has nothing to do with Muslim terrorist attacks

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:35 pm

I don't approve at all. Then again, I don't approve of the death penalty.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:36 pm

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"Good" because he's a white supremacist or "good" because he's a cold, calculating and cruel murderer regardless of the colour of his victim, Andy?

I've reported on this crime for years.  It's a classic representation of southern callousness.

How do you separate, Fred, the causal chain that led to this heinous act?  He is a racist in Texas (“they”--there were others, too), the victim is a black, he expressed his racism with an unspeakable act.  To dissect this kind of crime divorced from its racism, and make it something more antiseptic, is patently false...and a disservice to morality.

Southerners are quite used to "a cold, calculating and cruel murder".  It's part of their culture...divorce that culture, and the rest of the country goes on with it's excellent mission.  Don't divorce that culture, and you keep the gangrene inside of you.

No, Quill, I disagree 100 per cent.

To me there is absolutely no difference - no difference whatsoever - in a white supremacist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a black man to a Black Power extremist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a white man.
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Post by eddie on Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:31 pm

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phil wrote:A perfect example above of whataboutism

That's good phil.  That's exactly what it is.

Yes, he’s right. It is.

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:05 pm

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That's good phil.  That's exactly what it is.

Yes, he’s right. It is.  

But I'm not wrong

When a Muslim does wrong it's just because he is a criminal and has nothing to do with islam (even though the Muslim himself is saying its because of Islam)

When a white supremacist does something its because racism and can't possibly be for any other reason

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Post by phildidge on Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:09 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:

Yes, he’s right. It is.  

But I'm not wrong

When a Muslim does wrong it's just because he is a criminal and has nothing to do with islam (even though the Muslim himself is saying its because of Islam)

When a white supremacist does something its because racism and can't possibly be for any other reason

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Well how does that pan out with the likes of Eilzel, who is left wing and states it is to do with islam?

Hence you are making a generalisation which has nothing to do with the actual point made by Quill

Hence whataboutism

You will find there is people on the right who are also apologists for white supremacy and do as some of the left do with islamic terrorism

Take Charlottesville for example. The right tried to blame the left for the terrorist act that day

Anyway, the point is your replies are perfect examples of whataboutism

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Post by Andy on Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:19 pm

Moreover, Stenchy is an apologist for white supremacy.

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phil wrote:A perfect example above of whataboutism

That's good phil.  That's exactly what it is.

Also known as hypocrisy

Lefties : White supremacist kills because of racism

Also lefties : Islam has nothing to do with Muslim terrorist attacks

Well, I'm a lefty and I would no more deny that Muslim terrorist attacks are based on Islam than I would deny that white supremacists who kill believe in their own twisted ideology.

My first point has always been that the vast majority of Muslims aren't terrorists, so why would that be the case if regular-old Islam was the culprit?

No, the majority of peaceful Muslims say that Islamist terrorists believe in a twisted version of the religion, and that makes sense to me.

You can find plenty of white supremacists who cite a twisted version of Christianity to justify their violence as well.

My second point has always been that you shouldn't judge entire races or religions on the basis of a minority of violent people within their communities. It's bigotry to blame this attack on some so-called Southern mentality, or to act as though every Muslim is a secret terrorist.
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Post by Victorismyhero on Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:51 pm

Andy wrote:Good because he will not cost a penny to incarcerate for 40 or so years, and because he will never spread his hatred ever again.
I wonder whether any posters here would have pardoned him?

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:55 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
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I've reported on this crime for years.  It's a classic representation of southern callousness.

How do you separate, Fred, the causal chain that led to this heinous act?  He is a racist in Texas (“they”--there were others, too), the victim is a black, he expressed his racism with an unspeakable act.  To dissect this kind of crime divorced from its racism, and make it something more antiseptic, is patently false...and a disservice to morality.

Southerners are quite used to "a cold, calculating and cruel murder".  It's part of their culture...divorce that culture, and the rest of the country goes on with it's excellent mission.  Don't divorce that culture, and you keep the gangrene inside of you.

No, Quill, I disagree 100 per cent.

To me there is absolutely no difference - no difference whatsoever - in a white supremacist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a black man to a Black Power extremist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a white man.

You are, then, failing to condemn the cause.  In my view, that's highly artificial.  There is no such thing as black power, nor is there discrimination against whites.  Where's the history that provides the context that creates the value?

How do you make 400-years of privilege frame an insult?

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Post by phildidge on Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:58 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Also known as hypocrisy

Lefties : White supremacist kills because of racism

Also lefties : Islam has nothing to do with Muslim terrorist attacks

Well, I'm a lefty and I would no more deny that Muslim terrorist attacks are based on Islam than I would deny that white supremacists who kill believe in their own twisted ideology.

My first point has always been that the vast majority of Muslims aren't terrorists, so why would that be the case if regular-old Islam was the culprit?

No, the majority of peaceful Muslims say that Islamist terrorists believe in a twisted version of the religion, and that makes sense to me.

You can find plenty of white supremacists who cite a twisted version of Christianity to justify their violence as well.

My second point has always been that you shouldn't judge entire races or religions on the basis of a minority of violent people within their communities. It's bigotry to blame this attack on some so-called Southern mentality, or to act as though every Muslim is a secret terrorist.

Yes you can be very critical and judge a religion. When said religion has the blessing and support in many countries by a majority of Muslims. Of prejudiced and discriminating laws. Terrorism is just the tip of that iceberg, but the reality is we should condemn a religion. That in many of the countries, where it is the majority. It abuses the human rights of homosexuals, women, apostates etc. The reality is the majority of Muslims do back said laws that effect the well being and equality of people. So it does not matter what version they think Islamic extremism comes under. The version they follow, backs views that effect the well being of others. That is an undeniable fact that should never be ignored.

I judge Christianity and Judaism the same.

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Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

No, Quill, I disagree 100 per cent.

To me there is absolutely no difference - no difference whatsoever - in a white supremacist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a black man to a Black Power extremist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a white man.

You are, then, failing to condemn the cause.  In my view, that's highly artificial.  There is no such thing as black power, nor is there discrimination against whites.  Where's the history that provides the context that creates the value?

How do you make 400-years of privilege frame an insult?

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:18 pm

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Fred Moletrousers wrote:

No, Quill, I disagree 100 per cent.

To me there is absolutely no difference - no difference whatsoever - in a white supremacist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a black man to a Black Power extremist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a white man.

You are, then, failing to condemn the cause.  In my view, that's highly artificial.  There is no such thing as black power, nor is there discrimination against whites.  Where's the history that provides the context that creates the value?

How do you make 400-years of privilege frame an insult?

The US and the UK may well be different because of our differing histories and cultures, but the "cause", as you put it, is a common denominator: Hatred and intolerance between people of different races and religions.

I,at least, have the honesty to condemn both. Equally. Unequivocally. And without trying to use 400 years of history as some sort of an excuse for the present day mutual exchange of naked discrimination which certainly exists in my country, if not yours.

Were not the teenage white girls who suffered abuse, exploitation and even rape by organised gangs of Asian paedophiles in Rotherham and other English towns not deliberately "discriminated" against...simply because they were white?

Of course they were. Few of the men involved would have abused young girls from their own ethnic backgrounds and religions, out of fear of the reaction of their own communities.

You are the very last person here against whom I would have leveled a charge of double standards, Quill, but in this respect I believe you to be entirely wrong.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:35 pm

Fred M. wrote:And without trying to use 400 years of history as some sort of an excuse for the present day mutual exchange of naked discrimination which certainly exists in my country, if not yours.

Shall I take it that you approved of slavery? Or, where does 400-years of slavery fit in your schedule of wrongs? Is it negligible, or do you draw some sort of equivalency to jaywalking?

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Post by phildidge on Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:41 pm

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Fred M. wrote:And without trying to use 400 years of history as some sort of an excuse for the present day mutual exchange of naked discrimination which certainly exists in my country, if not yours.

Shall I take it that you approved of slavery?  Or, where does 400-years of slavery fit in your schedule of wrongs?  Is it negligible, or do you draw some sort of equivalency to jaywalking?

Whataboutism again to Freds points

So how many future Generations of Germans are you going to hold responsible for the Holocaust?

In other words, how many present and future generations of Americans and Europeans are you going to hold responsible for the slave trade?

When are you going to actually learn from the past?

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:50 pm

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Fred M. wrote:And without trying to use 400 years of history as some sort of an excuse for the present day mutual exchange of naked discrimination which certainly exists in my country, if not yours.

Shall I take it that you approved of slavery?  Or, where does 400-years of slavery fit in your schedule of wrongs?  Is it negligible, or do you draw some sort of equivalency to jaywalking?

Since I happen to live in the 21st and not the 18th century, the answer is clearly no. Had I been around at the time, how the hell could I possibly know now what I would have believed then?

Quite how you regard my comment as an approval of slavery entirely escapes me, but I have to confess that the logic of the legal mind is sometimes a complete mystery to me.

History happened; none of us can reverse it. Personally I take some pride in the fact that my country was instrumental in ending slavery, thanks to the tenacity of crusading English MP William Wilberforce and the sheer bravery and sacrifice of the sailors of the King's Navy on the West Africa Station off the port of Bathhurst in what is now The Gambia who enforced it.

Incidentally, Quill, the worst and most cruel and barbaric of the slavers were the Muslim Arab traders in West Africa. How does that stack up with your submission?
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:15 am

Andy wrote:Moreover, Stenchy is an apologist for white supremacy.


"My names Andy, I'm po faced and hate the world and everyone in it, myself most of all and I piss my panties everytime smelly opens his trap"

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:18 am

Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

No, Quill, I disagree 100 per cent.

To me there is absolutely no difference - no difference whatsoever - in a white supremacist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a black man to a Black Power extremist committing such an obscene, unspeakable act of barbarism against a white man.

You are, then, failing to condemn the cause.  In my view, that's highly artificial.  There is no such thing as black power, nor is there discrimination against whites.  Where's the history that provides the context that creates the value?

How do you make 400-years of privilege frame an insult?

Mugabe had black power

White Zimbabweans where discriminated against when they were stripped of their farms.

But as you always say "never let the truth stand in the way of a good narrative"

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:24 am

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Fred M. wrote:And without trying to use 400 years of history as some sort of an excuse for the present day mutual exchange of naked discrimination which certainly exists in my country, if not yours.

Shall I take it that you approved of slavery?  Or, where does 400-years of slavery fit in your schedule of wrongs?  Is it negligible, or do you draw some sort of equivalency to jaywalking?

Slavery doesn't exist

But when it did, it the Arab Muslim slave trade was much bigger and longer than the white slave trade

The barbary slave trade took many slaves from Europe, sometimes as far up as Iceland.

But I'm sure you won't allow the truth to stand in the way of your narrative

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:26 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Shall I take it that you approved of slavery?  Or, where does 400-years of slavery fit in your schedule of wrongs?  Is it negligible, or do you draw some sort of equivalency to jaywalking?

Since I happen to live in the 21st and not the 18th century, the answer is clearly no. Had I been around at the time, how the hell could I possibly know now what I would have believed then?

Quite how you regard my comment as an approval of slavery entirely escapes me, but I have to confess that the logic of the legal mind is sometimes a complete mystery to me.

History happened; none of us can reverse it. Personally I take some pride in the fact that my country was instrumental in ending slavery, thanks to the tenacity of crusading English MP William Wilberforce and the sheer bravery and sacrifice of the sailors of the King's Navy on the West Africa Station off the port of Bathhurst in what is now The Gambia who enforced it.

Incidentally, Quill, the worst and most cruel and barbaric of the slavers were the Muslim Arab traders in West Africa. How does that stack up with your submission?

I take it William Wilberforce was a white politician??

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:27 am

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Also known as hypocrisy

Lefties : White supremacist kills because of racism

Also lefties : Islam has nothing to do with Muslim terrorist attacks

Well, I'm a lefty and I would no more deny that Muslim terrorist attacks are based on Islam than I would deny that white supremacists who kill believe in their own twisted ideology.

My first point has always been that the vast majority of Muslims aren't terrorists, so why would that be the case if regular-old Islam was the culprit?

No, the majority of peaceful Muslims say that Islamist terrorists believe in a twisted version of the religion, and that makes sense to me.

You can find plenty of white supremacists who cite a twisted version of Christianity to justify their violence as well.

My second point has always been that you shouldn't judge entire races or religions on the basis of a minority of violent people within their communities. It's bigotry to blame this attack on some so-called Southern mentality, or to act as though every Muslim is a secret terrorist.

Would love to answer you but you might set your praetorian guard on me

Because feelings

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:02 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Also known as hypocrisy

Lefties : White supremacist kills because of racism

Also lefties : Islam has nothing to do with Muslim terrorist attacks

Well, I'm a lefty and I would no more deny that Muslim terrorist attacks are based on Islam than I would deny that white supremacists who kill believe in their own twisted ideology.

My first point has always been that the vast majority of Muslims aren't terrorists, so why would that be the case if regular-old Islam was the culprit?

No, the majority of peaceful Muslims say that Islamist terrorists believe in a twisted version of the religion, and that makes sense to me.

You can find plenty of white supremacists who cite a twisted version of Christianity to justify their violence as well.

My second point has always been that you shouldn't judge entire races or religions on the basis of a minority of violent people within their communities. It's bigotry to blame this attack on some so-called Southern mentality, or to act as though every Muslim is a secret terrorist.

Would love to answer you but you might set your praetorian guard on me

Because feelings

You're a coward.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:38 am

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Would love to answer you but you might set your praetorian guard on me

Because feelings

You're a coward.

It's not cowardice to not want to stick your hand in a bear trap

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:14 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Shall I take it that you approved of slavery?  Or, where does 400-years of slavery fit in your schedule of wrongs?  Is it negligible, or do you draw some sort of equivalency to jaywalking?

Since I happen to live in the 21st and not the 18th century, the answer is clearly no. Had I been around at the time, how the hell could I possibly know now what I would have believed then?

Quite how you regard my comment as an approval of slavery entirely escapes me, but I have to confess that the logic of the legal mind is sometimes a complete mystery to me.

History happened; none of us can reverse it. Personally I take some pride in the fact that my country was instrumental in ending slavery, thanks to the tenacity of crusading English MP William Wilberforce and the sheer bravery and sacrifice of the sailors of the King's Navy on the West Africa Station off the port of Bathhurst in what is now The Gambia who enforced it.

Incidentally, Quill, the worst and most cruel and barbaric of the slavers were the Muslim Arab traders in West Africa. How does that stack up with your submission?

If I were an engineer, looking at the failure of a major dam with substantial loss of life downstream, would I shrug and say no worse than the Northridge earthquake?

I'm interested in the cause of things, beyond merely burying my head in my hands and repeating oh, the grief, oh, the grief. I'm not belittling your sincerity, Fred, but as an engineer I would think of the causes of the tragedy and how to correct them.

Now, you can't fix cultures like they were concrete edifices, but at least you might consider warning folks away from the zone of danger in the future.

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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:33 pm

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Would love to answer you but you might set your praetorian guard on me

Because feelings

You're a coward.

It's not cowardice to not want to stick your hand in a bear trap

Don’t let your pretend fear get in the way of your own narrative.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:38 pm

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smelly-bandit wrote:

Would love to answer you but you might set your praetorian guard on me

Because feelings

You're a coward.

It's not cowardice to not want to stick your hand in a bear trap

Oh, silly smelly, I'm not like a bear trap. This is more my style:

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:05 am

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Since I happen to live in the 21st and not the 18th century, the answer is clearly no. Had I been around at the time, how the hell could I possibly know now what I would have believed then?

Quite how you regard my comment as an approval of slavery entirely escapes me, but I have to confess that the logic of the legal mind is sometimes a complete mystery to me.

History happened; none of us can reverse it. Personally I take some pride in the fact that my country was instrumental in ending slavery, thanks to the tenacity of crusading English MP William Wilberforce and the sheer bravery and sacrifice of the sailors of the King's Navy on the West Africa Station off the port of Bathhurst in what is now The Gambia who enforced it.

Incidentally, Quill, the worst and most cruel and barbaric of the slavers were the Muslim Arab traders in West Africa. How does that stack up with your submission?

If I were an engineer, looking at the failure of a major dam with substantial loss of life downstream, would I shrug and say no worse than the Northridge earthquake?

I'm interested in the cause of things, beyond merely burying my head in my hands and repeating oh, the grief, oh, the grief.  I'm not belittling your sincerity, Fred, but as an engineer I would think of the causes of the tragedy and how to correct them.

Now, you can't fix cultures like they were concrete edifices, but at least you might consider warning folks away from the zone of danger in the future.

I'm interested in "the cause of things" myself; history is among my many interests. And having spent time in The Gambia (home of "Roots" author Alex Hayley's ancestors, I believe) I am interested in the history of the slave trade and in my country's involvement in it, both positive and negative.

But I'm long past the age, energy level or professional capability to involve myself in the sort of campaigning zeal that you appear to think is the sole alternative to indifference.

Quite why you seem to believe that I either approve of slavery or simply don't care about the is beyond me.

Perhaps as a defence lawyer representing an Afro-American found guilty of committing a serious crime introducing by way of excuse or mitigation the trauma and mental anguish of having been descended from a slave on a tobacco plantation might well be a useful submission. But whether a crusty old judge in this country would fall for it is pretty doubtful.
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Post by Original Quill on Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:22 pm

Fred M. wrote:Perhaps as a defence lawyer representing an Afro-American found guilty of committing a serious crime introducing by way of excuse or mitigation the trauma and mental anguish of having been descended from a slave on a tobacco plantation might well be a useful submission. But whether a crusty old judge in this country would fall for it is pretty doubtful.

I don't do criminal defense. I'm a former prosecutor.

Fred M. wrote:But I'm long past the age, energy level or professional capability to involve myself in the sort of campaigning zeal that you appear to think is the sole alternative to indifference.

Me? I just want to sever all ties to the south, not reform them. It doesn't take a lot of energy: just a simple don't talk to me!, while we set the moorings loose. Laughing

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:33 pm

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Fred M. wrote:Perhaps as a defence lawyer representing an Afro-American found guilty of committing a serious crime introducing by way of excuse or mitigation the trauma and mental anguish of having been descended from a slave on a tobacco plantation might well be a useful submission. But whether a crusty old judge in this country would fall for it is pretty doubtful.


Me?  I just want to sever all ties to the south, not reform them.  It doesn't take a lot of energy: just a simple don't talk to me!, while we set the moorings loose.  Laughing


As a Yorkshireman, born and bred, I know just how you feel.....
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Post by Original Quill on Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:42 pm

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Me?  I just want to sever all ties to the south, not reform them.  It doesn't take a lot of energy: just a simple don't talk to me!, while we set the moorings loose.  Laughing


As a Yorkshireman, born and bred, I know just how you feel.....

lol!

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