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Should British taxpayers be funding the legal costs of Islamist terrorists in their attempts to gain entry to the UK to be able to stay here and live here?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:11 am

Shamima Begum - who joined the Islamic State group aged 15 - is set to be granted legal aid to fight the decision to revoke her UK citizenship.

The 19-year-old, who left east London in 2015, was stripped of her citizenship in February, after she was found in a Syrian refugee camp.

Her family has previously said it planned to challenge the decision.

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the idea of the provision of legal aid to Ms Begum made him "very uncomfortable".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47934721



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Post by nicko on Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:10 am

Not just "uncomfortable" fucking Livid !
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Post by Original Quill on Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:24 pm

nicko wrote:Not just "uncomfortable"  fucking Livid !

You are cute when you are livid. Laughing

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Post by nicko on Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:59 pm

Thank you quill, your not so bad yourself Smile
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Post by Syl on Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:42 pm

What a pathetic decision....I doubt many Brits want her back, so why should we pay her fee for a legal team to fight her case?

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Post by nicko on Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:57 pm

I want the name, and position held, of the idiot who sanctioned this act !
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Post by Syl on Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:02 pm

Probably Corbyn.

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Post by nicko on Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:08 am

Would not surprise me Syl !
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Post by JulesV on Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:06 pm

Syl wrote:Probably Corbyn.
What a bizzare reply.
Corbyn is a member of the opposition, he has no power whatsoever to make decisions.

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Post by JulesV on Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:12 pm

nicko wrote:I want the name, and position held, of the idiot who sanctioned this act !

Here you go. I took some time out to investigate and find some answers for you. Cos you are worth it, nicko. Suspect


These are the members of the legal aid board, the CEO & the team responsible for making all the decisions.

CEO = Shaun McNally, Chief Executive, Legal Aid Agency (Chair)

Board members
Lorna Maden, Interim Director of Finance, LAA and Operations Group
Jane Harbottle, LAA Operations Committee Chair
David Thomas, LAA Finance and Risk Committee Chair
Samantha Milton, LAA People Committee Chair
Hannah Payne, Deputy Director for Transformation
John Grosvenor, Finance Non-Executive Board Member (& Chair of the Agency’s Audit and Risk Assurance Committee)
Calum Mercer, Finance Non-Executive Board Member
Professor Suzanne Rab, Legal Non-Executive Board Member (effective from 1 April 2019)
Deep Sagar, Commercial Non-Executive Board Member

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Post by JulesV on Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:30 pm

No sign of Corbyn on that list!


Awarding legal aid to Begum was a poor decision and of course I voted "NO" in this thread's poll.



Guys, remember that it is ALWAYS the lawyers who profit whenever legal aid is awarded.  They don't give a shit if they win or lose this case, they know that either way they will be squillions of £££'s richer.



Blame the lawyers, they are the ones who all the legal aid money goes to. 
Or blame the legal aid board - they are the ones who decide yes or no.
Or blame the prime minister, as the buck stops with her.
Unjust to blame Corbyn, he had nowt to do with it.

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Post by Thorin on Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:41 pm

Fury as jihadi bride’s legal fees are paid by taxpayers”

The Daily Mail of course. Furious no doubt that judges get salaries that are paid by tax payers, that the Old Bailey gets its roof fixed with funding from tax payers, and that we have a whole system of justice anyway, and an independent judiciary, when all malefactors could be fingered and lynched by the Daily Mail editor, journalists and commenters.

It always astonishes me that the Daily Mail, which gets so angry with the unpatriotic, decries one of the things that Britain can be proud of, that is, the rule of law.
The Secret Barrister:-
…this morning, the Daily Mail, in a headline which may stand out as the apotheosis of journalistic legal ignorance, announced:

“Shamima Begum is on legal aid despite being stripped of UK citizenship”.
In much the same way that the people I prosecute and defend are granted legal aid despite being accused of criminal offences. Or diabetes patients are treated on the NHS despite having diabetes.
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By Charles D P Miller from Basingstoke, United Kingdom – Justice, CC BY 2.0,
The Secret Barrister goes all Magna Carta:-
Everybody – no matter what they have done or are alleged to have done – is entitled to equal treatment before the law. That is the building block not only of the rule of law, but of our entire democracy. You don’t earn equal treatment, or qualify for it through good behaviour. It applies universally. The day we start making exceptions for the people who offend us the most is the day our civilisation crumbles.

Everybody is also entitled to a fair hearing where a legal decision has been taken which affects them. The removal of a person’s citizenship – a government telling a British-born citizen You have no right to exist within our borders – is one of the most far-reaching decisions the state can make. We do not want to live in a country where politicians can act with unchecked power; the rule of law requires that those affected have a route to challenge a decision and have an independent court review the evidence and decide whether that decision was taken in accordance with the law


I await some of the commenters here to start howling that Begum’s ideology and her actions, as described by the various news outlets, showed no justice towards those she had in her power. There’s a very elementary point about what I expect from our society in its ideal form, and what I expect from hers which I can’t be bothered making.

http://hurryupharry.org/2019/04/15/best-of-british-to-you/

The secret Barrister is right of course and as much as I detest the fact she is receiving legal aid. Either people back this aspect within our law or they need to have this changed.

Are now people against our laws?

Are they actually being patriotic here?

What does need to happen is an update ammendment to the treason law. Which she should be charged with

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Post by nicko on Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:48 pm

Would not piss on her if she was on fire !
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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:37 pm

She is not a British citizen... she is an Islamist terrorist!



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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 pm

What if Britain didn't pay for her lawyer? That would mean that the UK government reserved the right not only to take away your citizenship, but then throw you into court and force you to try to represent yourself.

I don't think anybody really wants the UK to be like that.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:35 pm

Nobody is throwing her into court or forcing her to do anything...



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Post by Thorin on Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Nobody is throwing her into court or forcing her to do anything...



Yet you stand in opposition to British laws

Which is odd really, as she did the same

Go figure

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:45 pm

phildidge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Nobody is throwing her into court or forcing her to do anything...



Yet you stand in opposition to British laws

Which is odd really, as she did the same

Go figure


Hardly...


The whole of democratic process is proposing and opposing laws...


Flying half way round the world to join up with ISIS is completely different...!!!



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Post by Thorin on Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:53 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
phildidge wrote:

Yet you stand in opposition to British laws

Which is odd really, as she did the same

Go figure


Hardly...


The whole of democratic process is proposing and opposing laws...


Flying half way round the world to join up with ISIS is completely different...!!!



So you back a second referendum then?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:24 pm



No... I back the result if the EU referendum being enacted... and I back the law of article 50 being adhered to, in that it clearly states that having declared our intention to leave the EU by the declaration of article 50... that we have the option of negotiating for a period of up to 2 years in which to try to agree an arrangement on our future trade tariff terms between UK and EU... but if we have not left the EU with an agreement on the terms of our future trade arrangement after this period of 2 years, then we still leave the EU after this period of 2 years (as was always set out as our exit date under EU law, as is set out in article 50)... but we then just leave the EU on the tariff terms set out by the WTO instead of on some other tariff terms that we were unable to agree on within this 2 year period of tariff terms negotiations...


WTO terms is a good default starting point for future UK/EU trade tariffs, with the UK being outside of the EU... as was decided by the British people in the referendum to leave the EU...!


So... time to get on with it!!!

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Post by Thorin on Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

No... I back the result if the EU referendum being enacted... and I back the law of article 50 being adhered to, in that it clearly states that having declared our intention to leave the EU by the declaration of article 50... that we have the option of negotiating for a period of up to 2 years in which to try to agree an arrangement on our future trade tariff terms between UK and EU... but if we have not left the EU with an agreement on the terms of our future trade arrangement after this period of 2 years, then we still leave the EU after this period of 2 years (as was always set out as our exit date under EU law, as is set out in article 50)... but we then just leave the EU on the tariff terms set out by the WTO instead of on some other tariff terms that we were unable to agree on within this 2 year period of tariff terms negotiations...


WTO terms is a good default starting point for future UK/EU trade tariffs, with the UK being outside of the EU... as was decided by the British people in the referendum to leave the EU...!


So... time to get on with it!!!

So you back British law then?

Which means paying for people in defense

Do you want to change this centruy old law?

Yes or no?

The EU do.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:46 pm

Aren't you talking about 'defence', as in, 'criminal defence'...?


As in... the right to legal representation for a defendent during a trial...?



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Post by Thorin on Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:47 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Aren't you talking about 'defence', as in, 'criminal defence'...?


As in... the right to legal representation for a defendent during a trial...?



I am talking about British legal rights and laws

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:22 am

phildidge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Aren't you talking about 'defence', as in, 'criminal defence'...?


As in... the right to legal representation for a defendent during a trial...?



I am talking about British legal rights and laws


What rights are you talking about...!?


She is not a British citizen... and she is not on trial here in UK...!


So... what rights are you talking about whereby the British taxpayer has to pay for a foreign ISIS terrorists legal fees!?


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Post by Thorin on Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:02 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
phildidge wrote:

I am talking about British legal rights and laws


What rights are you talking about...!?


She is not a British citizen... and she is not on trial here in UK...!


So... what rights are you talking about whereby the British taxpayer has to pay for a foreign ISIS terrorists legal fees!?


Its open to legal debate on whether she is still a citizen


She was born here and thus is entittled, no matter if a terrorist supporter

So show me the law that denies people legal aid?

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