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Post by Maddog on Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:15 am

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(CNN)Police in the New Zealand city of Christchurch said that there are "multiple fatalities" after active shooters opened fire in two mosques in the city center.

Police Commissioner Mike Bush said that one person is in custody but police are unsure if there are any other suspects.
"As far as we know (the shootings occurred) at two locations, a mosque at Deans Avenue, and another mosque at Linwood Avenue," Bush said. "We are unsure if there are any other locations outside of that area that are under threat."
Bush said they were "dealing with a very serious and tragic series of events in the Christchurch Canterbury area" and warned people to stay off the streets. He asked "anyone who was thinking of going to a mosque anywhere in New Zealand today not to go. To close your doors until you hear from us again," he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/asia/christchurch-mosque-shooting-intl/index.html

Kind seemed like this little corner of the world was free from this nonsense.

Guess not. Guess it can happen anywhere.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:18 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

The verse 9:29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s ambassadors.

Allah said:

قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not acknowledge the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture, until they give the tribute willingly while they are humbled.

Surah At-Tawba 9:29

On the surface, this appears to be an open-ended command to fight non-Muslims until they are conquered. However, a fundamental principle of Quranic exegesis (tafseer) is that the verses must be understood in the context in which they were revealed (asbab an-nuzul) and in conjunction with other verses delineating the rules of warfare.

At-Tabari and other commentators record that this verse was revealed concerning the expedition of Tabuk.

At-Tabari records:

عَنْ مُجَاهِدٍ قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلا بِالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ… حِينَ أُمِرَ مُحَمَّدٌ وَأَصْحَابُهُ بِغَزْوَةِ تَبُوكَ

Mujahid reported concerning the verse, “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day…” that it was revealed when Muhammad and his companions were commanded with the expedition of Tabuk.

Source: Tafseer At-Tabari 9:29

The expedition of Tabuk was preceded by the battle of Mu’tah which began when the emissary of the Prophet was assassinated while delivering a letter to a Roman ally.

Ibn Al-Qayyim writes:

وَكَانَ سَبَبُهَا أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بَعَثَ الحارث بن عمير الأزدي أَحَدَ بَنِي لِهْبٍ بِكِتَابِهِ إِلَى الشَّامِ إِلَى مَلِكِ الرُّومِ أَوْ بُصْرَى فَعَرَضَ لَهُ شرحبيل بن عمرو الغساني فَأَوْثَقَهُ رِبَاطًا ثُمَّ قَدَّمَهُ فَضَرَبَ عُنُقَهُ وَلَمْ يُقْتَلْ لِرَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ رَسُولٌ غَيْرُهُ فَاشْتَدَّ ذَلِكَ عَلَيْهِ حِينَ بَلَغَهُ الْخَبَرُ فَبَعَثَ الْبُعُوثَ

The cause of the battle was that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, sent Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi of the tribe of Lihb with his letter to Syria for the Roman king or Busra. He presented it to Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani and he bound him and struck his neck. Never had an ambassador of the Messenger of Allah been killed besides him. The Prophet was upset by that when news reached him and he dispatched an expedition.

Source: Zaad Al-Ma’ad 336

Safiur Rahman writes:

The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had sent Al-Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi on an errand to carry a letter to the ruler of Busra. On his way, he was intercepted by Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani, the governor of Al-Balqa and a close ally to Caesar, the Byzantine Emperor. Al-Harith was tied and beheaded by Al-Ghassani.

Source: The Sealed Nectar p. 245

This was the first act of Roman aggression that further led to the expedition of Tabuk concerning which the verse 9:29 was revealed. The verse describes the aggressors as those “who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day,” because they committed this act of treachery. Executing emissaries from other countries is a war crime that could never be committed by those who sincerely believe in God.

Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

لَا إِيمَانَ لِمَنْ لَا أَمَانَةَ لَهُ وَلَا دِينَ لِمَنْ لَا عَهْدَ لَهُ

There is no faith for one who cannot be trusted. There is no religion for one who cannot uphold a covenant.

Source: Musnad Ahmad 11975, Grade: Hasan

Safiur Rahman further describes the reason the conflict took place:

The Byzantine power, which was considered the greatest military force on earth at that time, showed an unjustifiable opposition towards Muslims. As we have already mentioned, their opposition started at killing the ambassador of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, Al-Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi, by Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani. The ambassador was then carrying a message from the Prophet to the ruler of Busra. We have also stated that the Prophet consequently dispatched a brigade under the command of Zaid bin Haritha, who had a fierce fight against the Byzantines at Mu’tah. Although Muslim forces could not have revenge on those haughty overproud tyrants, the confrontation itself had a great impression on the Arabs all over Arabia.

Caesar, who could neither ignore the great benefit that the battle of Mu’tah had brought to Muslims, nor could he disregard the Arab tribes’ expectations of independence and their hopes of getting free from his influence and reign, nor he could ignore their alliance to the Muslims. Realizing all that, Caesar was aware of the progressive danger threatening his borders, especially the fronts of Syria which were neighboring Arab lands. So he concluded that demolition of the Muslims’ power had grown an urgent necessity. This decision of his should, in his opinion, be achieved before the Muslims become too powerful to conquer and raise troubles and unrest in the adjacent Arab territories.

To meet these exigencies, Caesar mustered a huge army of the Byzantines and pro-Roman Ghassanite tribes to launch a decisive bloody battle against the Muslims.

Source: The Sealed Nectar p. 272

Therefore, this context must be understood when reading verse 9:29 so that we clearly know who should be fought, specifically the aggressors among the Jews and Christians and not all of them. Rather, many other verses of the Quran make clear that it is unlawful to initiate hostilities against other nations.

Allah said:

وَقَاتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلَا تَعْتَدُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ

Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Verily, Allah does not love transgressors.


READ THIS SMELLY

IVE been over this time and time again

CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING

the Muslims destroyed the byzantine empire





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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:29 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:That just cracked me up smelly...  Stop it or I will begin to think you also have a sense of humor Laughing

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Post by phildidge on Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:52 pm

gelico wrote:
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But that is a view point held by people and you find the same crap in the Bible, that has been used to justify violence, rape, slavery etc.

Have you not read any history Gelico?

In fact in the Old Testament is something called Herem, which is genocide, but hey, this is how you want to view things


you've answered your own question there didge

the old testament is indeed full of violence but is no one person in charge making all the rules.  there is not a religion called genesism, or exodusism, or anything else whereby only one person is allowed to make the rules

it is exactly what you said it is,,,,,history.  a series of book documenting the history of that time.


WTF

In fact where Islam is different from Christianity. It has no head of the religion, like the catholics do with the Pope, and the Church of England, the Queen. So there is certainly religions called Christianity and Judaism, which have their own elements of extremists.

So based on your reasoning, religious text and extremists, we should also be at war with Chrisianity and Judaism, correct?

Its also not history, as today with have Christians in the US looking to discriminate against homosexuals.

People are persecuted by Christians also

White supremacy has its foundations in Christianity

This idiot that killed this people thought he was a modern day crusader.

Who were they Gelico?

The reality is this, we are not at war with Islam, only the Far right and Islamic extremists believe that.

Even today there are extremist Jewish settlers, who base their beliefs in Judaism

So dont tell me, that it does not happen today

You are forgeting what has helped bring about the demise of religious control in the west its called secularism

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Post by Lurker on Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:01 pm

The root of all evil is religion.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:19 pm

Lurker wrote:The root of all evil is religion.
You sound like Mao, who managed to get tens of millions of Chinese killed.   Wink

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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:38 pm

Lurker wrote:The root of all evil is religion.

and there i was thinking it was trump

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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:39 pm

Maddog wrote:
Lurker wrote:The root of all evil is religion.
You sound like Mao, who managed to get tens of millions of Chinese killed.   Wink

a true lefty

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Post by Lurker on Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:22 pm

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Post by Maddog on Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:35 pm

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This is quite comical considering your signature and comments about religion.

I would think you would be happy about an atheist shooting religious people in their house of worship.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:47 pm

Why would lurker be happy about Muslims being murdered in a religious house of worship?

What has athiesm got to do with the ideology to why this attack was carried out?

In other words White supremacy?

Most athiest are secularists. Hence it would be idiotic to suggest that Lurker would be happy about this

Talk about usiong the victims to score a pathetic and childish point

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Post by Maddog on Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:56 pm

phildidge wrote:Why would lurker be happy about Muslims being murdered in a religious house of worship?

What has athiesm got to do with the ideology to why this attack was carried out?

In other words White supremacy?

Most athiest are secularists. Hence it would be idiotic to suggest that Lurker would be happy about this

Talk about usiong the victims to score a pathetic and childish point

Will the priest miss his entrails?


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Post by phildidge on Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:01 pm

Maddog wrote:
phildidge wrote:Why would lurker be happy about Muslims being murdered in a religious house of worship?

What has athiesm got to do with the ideology to why this attack was carried out?

In other words White supremacy?

Most athiest are secularists. Hence it would be idiotic to suggest that Lurker would be happy about this

Talk about usiong the victims to score a pathetic and childish point

Will the priest miss his entrails?



Well you would need to ask Denis Diderot, who's quote this is

That French Philosopher is now dead


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Post by Maddog on Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:08 pm

phildidge wrote:
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Will the priest miss his entrails?



Well you would need to ask Denis Diderot, who's quote this is

That French Philosopher is now dead


Or I can ask the guy on here that embraces that disdain for religion.

The same guy that said religion is the root of all evil, just yesterday.

This meme he posted is a bit rich considering how much religion seems to bother him.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:15 pm

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Well you would need to ask Denis Diderot, who's quote this is

That French Philosopher is now dead


Or I can ask the guy on here that embraces that disdain for religion.

The same guy that said religion is the root of all evil, just yesterday.  

This meme he posted is a bit rich considering how much religion seems to bother him.  


I have a disdain for many religious belief systems, but not religious people per say

Religion is certainly one root of evil and history clearly shows this to be the case

Slavery, rape, genocide etc have all been endorsed by religious affilliations and in the name of religion

Even the Catholic Church was complicit in the Holocaust

That does not mean I would wish or would be happy that some innocent religious people were  murdered

There is a problem with beliefs around a deity that the religious works, use fear in order for people to believe.

When you have commands, that detrimental to the well being of people. Then that is a problem and has been a problem for thousands of years

Of course not all religions are this way, like Jainism for example and I doubt there is any Janist extremists

The problem with dogmatic faith, is it does not  allow for people to reason and they hold their beliefs over that of the well being of people

Just as extremist political beliefs do.

It makes both camps led by emotions and not reason.

I mean dont you also hold distain for Nazisma and Communism, like I do?

Surely you should hold distain for the Abrahamic beliefs, that certainly teach to persecute and discriminate against groups of people.

Maybe you could explain why anyone would not hold such beliefs with disdain?

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Post by smelly-bandit on Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:41 pm

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Well you would need to ask Denis Diderot, who's quote this is

That French Philosopher is now dead


Or I can ask the guy on here that embraces that disdain for religion.

The same guy that said religion is the root of all evil, just yesterday.  

This meme he posted is a bit rich considering how much religion seems to bother him.  

Lurker is an opportunist

If his views ever changed he would end up supporting trump if it suited his agenda

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Post by Maddog on Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:41 pm

phildidge wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Or I can ask the guy on here that embraces that disdain for religion.

The same guy that said religion is the root of all evil, just yesterday.  

This meme he posted is a bit rich considering how much religion seems to bother him.  


I have a disdain for many religious belief systems, but not religious people per say

Religion is certainly one root of evil and history clearly shows this to be the case

Slavery, rape, genocide etc have all been endorsed by religious affilliations and in the name of religion

Even the Catholic Church was complicit in the Holocaust

That does not mean I would wish or would be happy that some innocent religious people were  murdered

There is a problem with beliefs around a deity that the religious works, use fear in order for people to believe.

When you have commands, that detrimental to the well being of people. Then that is a problem and has been a problem for thousands of years

Of course not all religions are this way, like Jainism for example and I doubt there is any Janist extremists

The problem with dogmatic faith, is it does not  allow for people to reason and they hold their beliefs over that of the well being of people

Just as extremist political beliefs do.

It makes both camps led by emotions and not reason.

I mean dont you also hold distain for Nazisma and Communism, like I do?

Surely you should hold distain for the Abrahamic beliefs, that certainly teach to persecute and discriminate against groups of people.

Maybe you could explain why anyone would not hold such beliefs with disdain?

Yes, I reminded Lurker about how many people dies under Mao.

I have disdain for intolerance and it takes place in many organizations, including, but not limited to religion.

I don't mock religion, nor do I have any problems with those involved in it, as long as they are tolerant.

Lurker doesn't see religion like I do.


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Post by phildidge on Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:22 pm

Maddog wrote:
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I have a disdain for many religious belief systems, but not religious people per say

Religion is certainly one root of evil and history clearly shows this to be the case

Slavery, rape, genocide etc have all been endorsed by religious affilliations and in the name of religion

Even the Catholic Church was complicit in the Holocaust

That does not mean I would wish or would be happy that some innocent religious people were  murdered

There is a problem with beliefs around a deity that the religious works, use fear in order for people to believe.

When you have commands, that detrimental to the well being of people. Then that is a problem and has been a problem for thousands of years

Of course not all religions are this way, like Jainism for example and I doubt there is any Janist extremists

The problem with dogmatic faith, is it does not  allow for people to reason and they hold their beliefs over that of the well being of people

Just as extremist political beliefs do.

It makes both camps led by emotions and not reason.

I mean dont you also hold distain for Nazisma and Communism, like I do?

Surely you should hold distain for the Abrahamic beliefs, that certainly teach to persecute and discriminate against groups of people.

Maybe you could explain why anyone would not hold such beliefs with disdain?

Yes, I reminded Lurker about how many people dies under Mao.

I have disdain for intolerance and it takes place in many organizations, including, but not limited to religion.

I don't mock religion, nor do I have any problems with those involved in it, as long as they are tolerant.

Lurker doesn't see religion like I do.

 

But the the reality is religion is never rarely to itself and forced onto others. Where again the Abrahamic faiths are intolerant to many groups of people

I see religion like any other belief. Open to criticism and ridicule

So again my problems is not per say with religious people

Its when some of them effect the well being of others, based on their intolerant religious beliefs. As many religions teach intolerance

So if you have a disdain for intolerant beliefs. That would have to include the Abramaic religions


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Post by Maddog on Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:28 pm

phildidge wrote:
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Yes, I reminded Lurker about how many people dies under Mao.

I have disdain for intolerance and it takes place in many organizations, including, but not limited to religion.

I don't mock religion, nor do I have any problems with those involved in it, as long as they are tolerant.

Lurker doesn't see religion like I do.

 

But the  the reality is religion is never rarely to itself and forced onto others. Where again the Abrahamic faiths are intolerant to many groups of people

I see religion like any other belief. Open to criticism and ridicule

So again my problems is not per say with religious people

Its when some of them effect the well being of others, based on their intolerant religious beliefs. As many religions teach intolerance

So if you have a disdain for intolerant beliefs. That would have to include the Abramaic religions


I have no disdain for Abrahamic religions, and I'm tolerant.

Sorry you can't figure out how I do that.

Maybe you don't know what tolerance means?

It does not mean to accept or condone, but simply to tolerate.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:32 pm

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But the  the reality is religion is never rarely to itself and forced onto others. Where again the Abrahamic faiths are intolerant to many groups of people

I see religion like any other belief. Open to criticism and ridicule

So again my problems is not per say with religious people

Its when some of them effect the well being of others, based on their intolerant religious beliefs. As many religions teach intolerance

So if you have a disdain for intolerant beliefs. That would have to include the Abramaic religions


I have no disdain for Abrahamic religions, and I'm tolerant.

Sorry you can't figure out how I do that.

Maybe you don't know what tolerance means?

It does not mean to accept or condone, but simply to tolerate.  

But you said you are against intolerance and they teach intolerance

They teach a religious form of racism, that does not accept people who do not believe and in fact these people are condemned

So are you tolerant of the religious beliefs that teach to perscute and criminalise homosexuality then?

Are you tolerant of that religious Abrahamic belief?

I certainly understand what tolerance is, but you seem to be confusing yourself

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Post by Maddog on Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:41 pm

phildidge wrote:
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I have no disdain for Abrahamic religions, and I'm tolerant.

Sorry you can't figure out how I do that.

Maybe you don't know what tolerance means?

It does not mean to accept or condone, but simply to tolerate.  

But you said you are against intolerance and they teach intolerance

They teach a religious form of racism, that does not accept people who do not believe and in fact these people are condemned

So are you tolerant of the religious beliefs that teach to perscute and criminalise homosexuality then?

Are you tolerant of that religious Abrahamic belief?

I certainly understand what tolerance is, but you seem to be confusing yourself

Some people believe that, others don't. So you can't say "they" do anything.

I'm tolerating you, which takes more work than tolerating most people of faith. Wink

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Post by phildidge on Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:34 pm

Maddog wrote:
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But you said you are against intolerance and they teach intolerance

They teach a religious form of racism, that does not accept people who do not believe and in fact these people are condemned

So are you tolerant of the religious beliefs that teach to perscute and criminalise homosexuality then?

Are you tolerant of that religious Abrahamic belief?

I certainly understand what tolerance is, but you seem to be confusing yourself

Some people believe that, others don't. So you can't say "they" do anything.

I'm tolerating you, which takes more work than tolerating most people of faith. Wink  

We are not tallking about people though, but beliefs.   Laughing Laughing

So I agree some people believe that, and some do not and its based on interpretation

Yet the belief systems are intolerant to groups of people in the written works

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Post by smelly-bandit on Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:59 pm

its nice to live in a black on black world and never see the white.

if a man is a maddog killer, rapist and general psychopath but is captured and sentenced to prison. In prison he undergoes a true reformation and spends his time in prision learning how to change for the better and repenting for his sins, resulting in him being considered as rehabilitated and eventually freed

once he is freed he dedicates his life to helping others and works of good deeds, eventually his efforts save more lives than he collectively ruined and ended.

how do we judged this man??

do we judge him by the good that he has done and forget and forgive his past even though his victims still lie dead and ruined??

do we judge him by his past alone and say nothing can ever pardon him for that even though many of the now living are only doing so because of him??

or do we see him as just a man that is capable of great acts of both good and evil, but a man who has chosen to turn from evil to good??

this is the case with chirstianity, its past is soaked in blood in war, but as it stands in its prsent form it is without doubt a force for good in the world.

didge would seek to only ever condemn christianity for its past without ever seeing the good it brings.

he is rigidly unforgiving of a religion that is built is on the principle that no crime is beyond forgiveness

the irony is stark

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:08 pm

I have to challenge your assertion that its a force for good in the world smelly. There are plenty of "good christians" in the world especially america, that would discriminate even unto death against me as a pagan druid......

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Post by phildidge on Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:15 pm

Well mainly as the religion is a death cult smelly. That yearns for the end of times. The very destruction of this existance we all have. Yet that is the beliefs of Pauline Christianity and I would argue not based on the actual teachings of Jesus. Being as the books were compiled centuries after the events.

The very fact a religion, allows a person that has raped and murdered all through his life. To only ask for forgiveness becoming a Christian on their death bed. To a view they would be allowed into a mythical heaven and yet countless other poeople who have led good lives. Are condemned simple for being born into the world. In a different part where people practice a different religion. That they are according to Christianity, are condemned for their beliefs.

So where is the forgiveness in that? When people do not choose where they are born into the world and end up growing up with the religion of their parents.

So why are you willing to forgive a mass murder, that repents, but not somebody. That does not believe i your version of a religon?

I condemn all religions, as they play on fear to control people. You dont need religion in order to forgive people. So why then would that make Christianity special in this regard?

So if people turn from evil, then they have learn from the wrongs they have done, but society will still ensure that person serves their time in jail. Its up to people whether they wish to forgive them, but the Christian deity condemns people simple for their beliefs. How is that a crime?

I mean we are even seeing thought crimes today inacted in law.

So do you thus then back beliefs to be criminal acts?

So the claim that this deity forgives, is in reality a fallacy

Love is not freely given but coerced through a fear. That if you do not believe, then this deity is not going to love you. With a threat of eternal punishement. The very fact such a place hell is claimed to exists, shows the claim to forgiveness is hollow to say the least. Why create such a torture chambre in the first place? No person would enter willinging into a relationship with someone else, where that love was conditional. Even worse, based on controlling them with threats of violence.

We would call that domestic violence.

Even worse this deity is supposed to be the father of all humans and thus they are his children. What sort of parents would threaten his children with unimaginable pain and for their entire lives. Unless they followed his beliefs?

We would call that child abuse.

So if you cannot see what is wrong with the concept of the Abrahamic deity smelly, its because you are being controlled yourself. By these very same beliefs.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:25 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQox1hQrABQ

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Post by Guest on Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:43 pm

whistleblower says it was the clintons/obama




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4exK5ezhWkc&feature=youtu.be

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Post by Guest on Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:45 pm




if that is a 'joke' then it's very weird

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