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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:43 am

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Hundreds of Muslim parents and their children – dressed up as superheroes – protested outside a primary school in Britain on Thursday against planned lessons on LGBT rights.

More than 200 protesters organized the demonstration against Parkfield Community School in Birmingham over the school program called “No Outsiders” that includes teachings about homosexuality, including same-sex relationships and marriages, and challenges homophobia.

The organizers accused assistant head Andrew Moffatt, who is gay, of promoting LGBT rights against the wishes of the parents, who carried placards reading “Say no to sexualizing children” and “respect and be respected.”



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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:41 am

Raggamuffin wrote:For Didge.

The difference between me and you is that I don’t care about a person’s sexuality but you do.

You don’t even support your brother.


And she apologised

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:43 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Even if Smelly did say that, that's not the same as not supporting his brother is it? If his brother is gay and against gay marriage, that's up to him, it's no reflection on Smelly.

I did say that Eilzel wants to ban religious teaching in schools

He clearly stated that he wants to ban faith schools





Banning faith schools, is not the same as banning religious education

Nobody here is against religious education

Some people are rightly at oods with faith based schools, that can teach a bias

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:45 am

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Elizel is about as hard line and militant as they get, he doesn't want EQUAL right he wants GAY rights.

Do you understand the distinction?? Its a very important difference between EQUAL rights and a set of rights that apply only to gays, it's pretty scary stuff and not exactly the stance of a moderate.



You see case in point Rags

Eizel is not a militant or extremist and actually believes in equal rights and not seperate rights for gays

Hence attacking with lies


So Rags, are you going to pull up smelly?

He has made countless spurious claims against both and I do not see him apologising for lying

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:45 am

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Nobody said he does not support his brother. They said he was at odds, over him being gay, due to his beliefs

A huge difference

It was smelly that brought this into the debate before.

This is not an attack on his brother, but helps guages smelly's opinion on the topic

SM said that Smelly doesn't support his brother.

Wow that insane level of bullshit and outright lies going on here is eye watering.

Didge you're fucking moron

I never said that I was at odds with my bother or gay marriage

I said my brothers partner who is a Catholic is opposed to gay marriage IN CHURCH

You complete and utter fucking buffoon.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:45 am

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:For Didge.




And she apologised

And you kept it going, so just drop it now.

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Post by Eilzel on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:46 am

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Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


Yes he has and has gone after both and made countles spurious claims against them

For example, caliming Eizel wants to ban religious education, when he does not

I did question her beliefs, maybe you should look back

Smelly is not questioning, as he thinks he is a provocator

Dont forget these are based on smellys beliefs, not necessarily the beleifs of Sexy or Eizel and thus he is presuming

Like I say I know for a fact he said his brother was against gay marriage and its a very important factor to understand smellys contradictions here

Again happy to move on, but smelly needs to stop with the constant attacking

He has every right to be critical, but not make up crap, as he constantly does

Even if Smelly did say that, that's not the same as not supporting his brother is it? If his brother is gay and against gay marriage, that's up to him, it's no reflection on Smelly.

I did say that Eilzel wants to ban religious teaching in schools

He clearly stated that he wants to ban faith schools




You have AWFUL comprehension skills.

I DO want to ban Faith Schools.

I absolutely do NOT want to ban the teaching of religions.

Indeed, I want ALL religions to be taught to ALL children - then let THEM decide which one sounds more credible.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:46 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


And she apologised

And you kept it going, so just drop it now.


And I never claimed he did not support his brother, did I

No, you want to make a big deal of this and are being biased now

When are you going to pull smelly up for the numeroeous spurious accusations he has made against both?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:48 am

A Muslim belief on homosexuality does end up hurting and kill homosexual people

So Didge, do you now think that a belief does not do that?

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:49 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
A Muslim belief on homosexuality does end up hurting and kill homosexual people

So Didge, do you now think that a belief does not do that?


When did i claim a belief cannot entice people to do harm?

Its the same as a Christian belief on homosexuality

They both can lead to harm

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:50 am

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

And you kept it going, so just drop it now.


And I never claimed he did not support his brother, did I

No, you want to make a big deal of this and are being biased now

When are you going to pull smelly up for the numeroeous spurious accusations he has made against both?


Still waiting Rags

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:52 am

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So Didge, do you now think that a belief does not do that?


When did i claim a belief cannot entice people to do harm?

Its the same as a Christian belief on homosexuality

They both can lead to harm

So why aren't you pulling SM up for her beliefs?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:53 am

Les can reply for himself. If two people are ganging up on him, maybe I'll step in.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:54 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


When did i claim a belief cannot entice people to do harm?

Its the same as a Christian belief on homosexuality

They both can lead to harm

So why aren't you pulling SM up for her beliefs?


You should read through the many pages to see I have pulled her up on many points

Happy to say to sexy now, that poor beliefs, can lead to hate and violence

Considering she already knows i believe this.

To the point we actually agree, that sodomy was the actual sin in islamic text and not necessarily homosexuality

I suggest you read back and keep up to date with what has been said

Now are you going to pull up smelly?


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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:55 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Les can reply for himself. If two people are ganging up on him, maybe I'll step in.


What a copout and shows your bias here

Thanks for playing the hypocritical game

You came in first place.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:57 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
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What shit are you talking now???how could you possibly know anything about my relationship with my brother??

That's like me saying you hate your daughter, how could I possibly know anything about that???

You're just being an emotional idiot more so than usual.

But what we do know is that you consider homosexuality to be a sin, because you said that??

Do you think my brother would feel supported by you if you told him that his entire existence was a crime against God??

Do you think elizel likes the fact that you think he is sinful for being who he is???

You do realise that's a hate crime???

What do you think would happen if you went to soho and started telling gays that homosexuality is a sin, youd either get battered or arrested.

You and your religious view of homosexuality being a sin is bigotry

I can only believe what you write on here.

You said your brother is gay and you had a problem with that.

I apologise if that is not the case and I read it wrong.

Just because I believe something is a sin doesn’t mean I will announce it to every Tom dick and Harry!!!!

It’s up to everyone as an individual how they conduct themselves.


The problem when people 'think' a thing is that ultimately it's only societal restraints that stop them from taking it a step further. If all Muslims 'think' that homosexuality is a sin (and this includes anyone of any religion or creed), take those restraints away and you'd have full blown persecution. This is what was seen when IS threw gays off buildings. There was nothing and no one to stop them. So what we 'think' is very important. That mode of thinking or believing that someone's natural nature is a sin or abhorrent needs to be changed.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:01 am

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Les can reply for himself. If two people are ganging up on him, maybe I'll step in.


What a copout and shows your bias here

Thanks for playing the hypocritical game

You came in first place.

Laughing

Les has replied to Smelly's claims, so what's your problem?

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:03 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


What a copout and shows your bias here

Thanks for playing the hypocritical game

You came in first place.

Laughing

Les has replied to Smelly's claims, so what's your problem?


What about all the other accusations like Militant,  claiming to be only for seperate gay rights?

It does not matter, you play your cards on the table for all to see rags

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:06 am

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Les has replied to Smelly's claims, so what's your problem?


What about all the other accusations like Militant,  claiming to be only for seperate gay rights?

It does not matter, you play your cards on the table for all to see rags

I don't care what others "see". Only you care about that. I do recall you upsetting SM quite badly re her religion though, so I'm not fooled by you whiteknighting her now.

As for Les, he can reply to Smelly himself if he wants, he doesn't need me to speak for him.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:07 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


What about all the other accusations like Militant,  claiming to be only for seperate gay rights?

It does not matter, you play your cards on the table for all to see rags

I don't care what others "see". Only you care about that. I do recall you upsetting SM quite badly re her religion though, so I'm not fooled by you whiteknighting her now.

As for Les, he can reply to Smelly himself if he wants, he doesn't need me to speak for him.


Yet happy to pull up me and sexy, showing your double standards

If Eilzel can speak for himself, why are you not allowing smelly to do the same then?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:07 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

I can only believe what you write on here.

You said your brother is gay and you had a problem with that.

I apologise if that is not the case and I read it wrong.

Just because I believe something is a sin doesn’t mean I will announce it to every Tom dick and Harry!!!!

It’s up to everyone as an individual how they conduct themselves.


The problem when people 'think' a thing is that ultimately it's only societal restraints that stop them from taking it a step further.    If all Muslims 'think' that homosexuality is a sin (and this includes anyone of any religion or creed), take those restraints away and you'd have full blown persecution.  This is what was seen when IS threw gays off buildings.   There was nothing and no one to stop them.     So what we 'think' is very important.  That mode of  thinking or believing that someone's natural nature is a sin or abhorrent  needs to be changed.

You can't tell others what they should believe and expect a result. We have laws to prevent that kind of violence, and ISIS isn't really a good example of how beliefs can lead to actions.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:09 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

The problem when people 'think' a thing is that ultimately it's only societal restraints that stop them from taking it a step further.    If all Muslims 'think' that homosexuality is a sin (and this includes anyone of any religion or creed), take those restraints away and you'd have full blown persecution.  This is what was seen when IS threw gays off buildings.   There was nothing and no one to stop them.     So what we 'think' is very important.  That mode of  thinking or believing that someone's natural nature is a sin or abhorrent  needs to be changed.

You can't tell others what they should believe and expect a result. We have laws to prevent that kind of violence, and ISIS isn't really a good example of how beliefs can lead to actions.


WTF?

ISIS is not a good example of beliefs leading to actions?

Please explain?


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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:09 am

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't care what others "see". Only you care about that. I do recall you upsetting SM quite badly re her religion though, so I'm not fooled by you whiteknighting her now.

As for Les, he can reply to Smelly himself if he wants, he doesn't need me to speak for him.


Yet happy to pull up me and sexy, showing your double standards

If Eilzel can speak for himself, why are you not allowing smelly to do the same then?

Laughing

I merely said that I don't recall Smelly saying what was claimed, and it turned out you and SM were pulling Smelly up for something he allegedly said on another forum which doesn't exist any more. If you had not persisted with it, you wouldn't be getting all hysterical now.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:10 am

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smelly-bandit wrote:

I did say that Eilzel wants to ban religious teaching in schools

He clearly stated that he wants to ban faith schools




You have AWFUL comprehension skills.

I DO want to ban Faith Schools.

I absolutely do NOT want to ban the teaching of religions.

Indeed, I want ALL religions to be taught to ALL children - then let THEM decide which one sounds more credible.

But you want to ban faith schools??But not faith being taught in school.

OK so you clarified your position and now I accept it.

Which do you think is more intolerant??

Islamosupremacists wanting to ban homosexuality being taught in schools

Or

Homosupremacists wanting to ban faith schools???



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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:10 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

The problem when people 'think' a thing is that ultimately it's only societal restraints that stop them from taking it a step further.    If all Muslims 'think' that homosexuality is a sin (and this includes anyone of any religion or creed), take those restraints away and you'd have full blown persecution.  This is what was seen when IS threw gays off buildings.   There was nothing and no one to stop them.     So what we 'think' is very important.  That mode of  thinking or believing that someone's natural nature is a sin or abhorrent  needs to be changed.

You can't tell others what they should believe and expect a result. We have laws to prevent that kind of violence, and ISIS isn't really a good example of how beliefs can lead to actions.

That's not my point. Of course you can't tell people what to think or believe. The same could be said of racism and sexism. But that doesn't make it right. Not so long ago homosexuality was illegal. Thank God someone changed their thinking and stopped that.
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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:10 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


Yet happy to pull up me and sexy, showing your double standards

If Eilzel can speak for himself, why are you not allowing smelly to do the same then?

Laughing

I merely said that I don't recall Smelly saying what was claimed, and it turned out you and SM were pulling Smelly up for something he allegedly said on another forum which doesn't exist any more. If you had not persisted with it, you wouldn't be getting all hysterical now.


You are tying yourself up in knots

You say Eizel can speak for himself and not allowing smelly to do the same

I am fine Rags, as I know you are contradicting yourself and badly so

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:11 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


Yet happy to pull up me and sexy, showing your double standards

If Eilzel can speak for himself, why are you not allowing smelly to do the same then?

Laughing

I merely said that I don't recall Smelly saying what was claimed, and it turned out you and SM were pulling Smelly up for something he allegedly said on another forum which doesn't exist any more. If you had not persisted with it, you wouldn't be getting all hysterical now.

Didge thinks the best way to get out of a pile of shit is to swim to the bottom and hide there.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:11 am

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You can't tell others what they should believe and expect a result. We have laws to prevent that kind of violence, and ISIS isn't really a good example of how beliefs can lead to actions.


WTF?

ISIS is not a good example of beliefs leading to actions?

Please explain?

They're extremists, and they're not likely to influence many people in the UK. I don't think that people in the UK who think homosexuality is a sin are going to start throwing gay people off buildings, cheered on by large crowds.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:12 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
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You have AWFUL comprehension skills.

I DO want to ban Faith Schools.

I absolutely do NOT want to ban the teaching of religions.

Indeed, I want ALL religions to be taught to ALL children - then let THEM decide which one sounds more credible.

But you want to ban faith schools??But not faith being taught in school.

OK so you clarified your position and now I accept it.

Which do you think is more intolerant??

Islamosupremacists wanting to ban homosexuality being taught in schools

Or

Homosupremacists wanting to ban faith schools???




False equivalency

The equivalency would be homosexual schools compared to faith schools

Banning faith schools and making them neutral has nothing to do with intolerance but fairness

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:13 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


WTF?

ISIS is not a good example of beliefs leading to actions?

Please explain?

They're extremists, and they're not likely to influence many people in the UK. I don't think that people in the UK who think homosexuality is a sin are going to start throwing gay people off buildings, cheered on by large crowds.


Buy why are they extremists?

Is it because of the beliefs they hold?

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:16 am

Thor wrote:
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But you want to ban faith schools??But not faith being taught in school.

OK so you clarified your position and now I accept it.

Which do you think is more intolerant??

Islamosupremacists wanting to ban homosexuality being taught in schools

Or

Homosupremacists wanting to ban faith schools???




False equivalency

The equivalency would be homosexual schools compared to faith schools

Banning faith schools and making them neutral has nothing to do with intolerance but fairness


I would add the other equivalency would be teaching homosexuality and religion in schools

Nobody is calling for religion to be banned in school

And actually these parents are against any view to teach inclusion towards gay people

You see this is why smelly, you have the intellect of a toddler

I am against faith schools and I am hetrosexual, the reason being that having neutral schools, removes a bias. I would also be against a homosexually based school.

Schools should be neutral

That is being fair.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:20 am

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You can't tell others what they should believe and expect a result. We have laws to prevent that kind of violence, and ISIS isn't really a good example of how beliefs can lead to actions.

That's not my point.   Of course you can't tell people what to think or believe.   The same could be said of racism and sexism.   But that doesn't make it right.   Not so long ago homosexuality was illegal.   Thank God someone changed their thinking and stopped that.

You mean it's good that people in government are prepared to change the way they think. I agree, unless it's something I don't agree with. It all depends on whether you agree with the government doesn't it?

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That's not my point.   Of course you can't tell people what to think or believe.   The same could be said of racism and sexism.   But that doesn't make it right.   Not so long ago homosexuality was illegal.   Thank God someone changed their thinking and stopped that.

You mean it's good that people in government are prepared to change they way they think. I agree, unless it's something I don't agree with. It all depends on whether you agree with the government doesn't it?


Then should we not base this on something people can agree on?

Like the well being of people?

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:21 am

This is very interesting and I would love elizel and mama to comment on this.

Devout Christian, 40, who was thrown off a university social work course after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' on Facebook to argue in the High Court that the ruling puts doctors and teachers at risk of disqualification

The human right to free speech could be at risk if a ruling against a devout Christian kicked off his university course for 'anti-gay' comments is not overturned, the former student will argue in the High Court next week.

Felix Ngole, a devout Christian from Barnsley, Yorkshire, was forced to leave his two-year social work masters at Sheffield University after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' to Facebook.

The 40-year-old argued he had been unfairly punished for sharing his Christian believes and his removal from the course breached his human right to freedom of speech and thought, enshrined in the Europeans Convention on Human Rights

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791651/Christian-kicked-university-course-posting-homosexuality-sin-argue-against-ruling.html

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:23 am

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They're extremists, and they're not likely to influence many people in the UK. I don't think that people in the UK who think homosexuality is a sin are going to start throwing gay people off buildings, cheered on by large crowds.


Buy why are they extremists?

Is it because of the beliefs they hold?


Probably. I didn't say they didn't act on their beliefs, I said they weren't a very good example relating to this country.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:24 am

smelly-bandit wrote:This is very interesting and I would love elizel and mama to comment on this.

Devout Christian, 40, who was thrown off a university social work course after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' on Facebook to argue in the High Court that the ruling puts doctors and teachers at risk of disqualification

The human right to free speech could be at risk if a ruling against a devout Christian kicked off his university course for 'anti-gay' comments is not overturned, the former student will argue in the High Court next week.  

Felix Ngole, a devout Christian from Barnsley, Yorkshire, was forced to leave his two-year social work masters at Sheffield University after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' to Facebook.

The 40-year-old  argued he had been unfairly punished for sharing his Christian believes and his removal from the course breached his human right to freedom of speech and thought, enshrined in the Europeans Convention on Human Rights

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791651/Christian-kicked-university-course-posting-homosexuality-sin-argue-against-ruling.html


He will win the case

The University is in the wrong here

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:25 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


Buy why are they extremists?

Is it because of the beliefs they hold?


Probably. I didn't say they didn't act on their beliefs, I said they weren't a very good example relating to this country.


How so when there has been ISIS inspired terrorist attacks here?

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Post by Eilzel on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:29 am

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I did say that Eilzel wants to ban religious teaching in schools

He clearly stated that he wants to ban faith schools




You have AWFUL comprehension skills.

I DO want to ban Faith Schools.

I absolutely do NOT want to ban the teaching of religions.

Indeed, I want ALL religions to be taught to ALL children - then let THEM decide which one sounds more credible.

But you want to ban faith schools??But not faith being taught in school.

OK so you clarified your position and now I accept it.

Which do you think is more intolerant??

Islamosupremacists wanting to ban homosexuality being taught in schools

Or

Homosupremacists wanting to ban faith schools???



My wanting to ban faith schools is not only due to being gay. It is also partly due to them being a potential breeding ground for intolerant views and extremism - something you should appreciate Wink

Regardless, it is not remotely the same. One is banning to prevent intolance the other is happening because of it.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:33 am

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Probably. I didn't say they didn't act on their beliefs, I said they weren't a very good example relating to this country.


How so when there has been ISIS inspired terrorist attacks here?

On gay people? They don't throw gay people off buildings here, cheered on by large crowds.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:35 am

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How so when there has been ISIS inspired terrorist attacks here?

On gay people? They don't throw gay people off buildings here, cheered on by large crowds.


But just about everyone here is a target to ISIS. You do realise this?

They are out to create as much carnage as possible

So to go off homosexuality, when they see just about everyone as being in sin here, is a non starter from you

Its the beliefs driving the extremism and terrorism. Plus the fact homosexuals are victims of hate crimes, from religious radicals in this country

So either way your points hold little value rags


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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:36 am

smelly-bandit wrote:This is very interesting and I would love elizel and mama to comment on this.

Devout Christian, 40, who was thrown off a university social work course after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' on Facebook to argue in the High Court that the ruling puts doctors and teachers at risk of disqualification

The human right to free speech could be at risk if a ruling against a devout Christian kicked off his university course for 'anti-gay' comments is not overturned, the former student will argue in the High Court next week.  

Felix Ngole, a devout Christian from Barnsley, Yorkshire, was forced to leave his two-year social work masters at Sheffield University after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' to Facebook.

The 40-year-old  argued he had been unfairly punished for sharing his Christian believes and his removal from the course breached his human right to freedom of speech and thought, enshrined in the Europeans Convention on Human Rights

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791651/Christian-kicked-university-course-posting-homosexuality-sin-argue-against-ruling.html

Most people in this country should know by now that offence given to gay people trumps any religious views, so he was foolish to post that. If he had been doing a masters in history, I guess they wouldn't have thrown him out, it's the fact that it's in social work which is the issue. Having said that, I think they're wrong because he didn't say anything about gay people as such, and he didn't say they should be harmed in any way.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:37 am

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On gay people? They don't throw gay people off buildings here, cheered on by large crowds.


But just about everyone here is a target to ISIS. You do realise this?

They are out to create as much carnage as possible

So to go off homosexuality, when they see just about everyone as being in sin here, is a non starter from you

Its the beliefs driving the extremism and terrorism. Plus the fact homosexuals are victims of hate crimes, from religious radicals in this country

So either way your points hold little value rags

Well SM says she thinks homosexuality is a sin, so do you think she will go on the rampage hurling gay people off buildings?

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:39 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:This is very interesting and I would love elizel and mama to comment on this.

Devout Christian, 40, who was thrown off a university social work course after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' on Facebook to argue in the High Court that the ruling puts doctors and teachers at risk of disqualification

The human right to free speech could be at risk if a ruling against a devout Christian kicked off his university course for 'anti-gay' comments is not overturned, the former student will argue in the High Court next week.  

Felix Ngole, a devout Christian from Barnsley, Yorkshire, was forced to leave his two-year social work masters at Sheffield University after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' to Facebook.

The 40-year-old  argued he had been unfairly punished for sharing his Christian believes and his removal from the course breached his human right to freedom of speech and thought, enshrined in the Europeans Convention on Human Rights

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791651/Christian-kicked-university-course-posting-homosexuality-sin-argue-against-ruling.html

Most people in this country should know by now that offence given to gay people trumps any religious views, so he was foolish to post that. If he had been doing a masters in history, I guess they wouldn't have thrown him out, it's the fact that it's in social work which is the issue. Having said that, I think they're wrong because he didn't say anything about gay people as such, and he didn't say they should be harmed in any way.


You mean the human rights of people rightly supercede beliefs

This includes religious people having human rights, from hateful beliefs against them.

This was not a direct attack or hate crime against anyone

It simple was a belief

So nobody had their human rights infringed upon

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:41 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:


But just about everyone here is a target to ISIS. You do realise this?

They are out to create as much carnage as possible

So to go off homosexuality, when they see just about everyone as being in sin here, is a non starter from you

Its the beliefs driving the extremism and terrorism. Plus the fact homosexuals are victims of hate crimes, from religious radicals in this country

So either way your points hold little value rags

Well SM says she thinks homosexuality is a sin, so do you think she will go on the rampage hurling gay people off buildings?


Nope, as unlike ISIS and other extremists. She is not calling for the killings of homosexuals based on islamic beliefs. They are doing so based on their beliefs.

Nothing is set in stone and things can change in how people view beliefs. As they are interpretations

Hence beliefs can and do lead to violence

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:49 am

smelly-bandit wrote:This is very interesting and I would love elizel and mama to comment on this.

Devout Christian, 40, who was thrown off a university social work course after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' on Facebook to argue in the High Court that the ruling puts doctors and teachers at risk of disqualification

The human right to free speech could be at risk if a ruling against a devout Christian kicked off his university course for 'anti-gay' comments is not overturned, the former student will argue in the High Court next week.  

Felix Ngole, a devout Christian from Barnsley, Yorkshire, was forced to leave his two-year social work masters at Sheffield University after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' to Facebook.

The 40-year-old  argued he had been unfairly punished for sharing his Christian believes and his removal from the course breached his human right to freedom of speech and thought, enshrined in the Europeans Convention on Human Rights

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791651/Christian-kicked-university-course-posting-homosexuality-sin-argue-against-ruling.html

It’s a tough one.

But because of his degree in social work the university was right to kick him off the course.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:49 am

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But you want to ban faith schools??But not faith being taught in school.

OK so you clarified your position and now I accept it.

Which do you think is more intolerant??

Islamosupremacists wanting to ban homosexuality being taught in schools

Or

Homosupremacists wanting to ban faith schools???



My wanting to ban faith schools is not only due to being gay. It is also partly due to them being a potential breeding ground for intolerant views and extremism - something you should appreciate Wink

Regardless, it is not remotely the same. One is banning to prevent intolance the other is happening because of it.

I think you will find most CofE schools are highly sought after. People move house and a lot of atheist parents will pretend go to church to just qualify for sending their kids there

Go away and grow a pairs balls and say what you mean, because what I think you mean is that you want to ban Islamic faith schools but don't want to rock the boat with your best friend - sexymama.

And yes it is the same.

This brings us full circle to who is right and who is wrong.

Muslims think homosexuality is sinful and don't their kids taught about it so they want it banned

Your view seems to be that they are wrong because you disagree with them, do you grasp the concept that from their perspective they are in the right for wanting it banned.

Its the exact same way you declare yourself right when it comes to banning faith schools, whereas the people who use these school will say you are wrong.

Its fascinating to watch you completely miss how you are viewing each other through the same lens of bigotry and intolerance for each others lifestyle, all the whole proclaiming that you only want to ban each other because they are the bigots.

You may as well be the same people





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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=TIcVusf3J20

No More Faith Schools is a national campaign dedicated to bringing about an end to state funded faith schools.

Faith schools have a negative impact on social cohesion, foster segregation of children on social, ethnic and religious lines, and undermine choice and equality. They also enable religious groups to use public money to evangelise to children.

This campaign is a platform for everyone who wants to see an inclusive education system, free from religious control.

If you think children from all faith and belief backgrounds should be educated together and allowed to develop their own beliefs independently, join us in saying No More Faith Schools.

Together we can build an inclusive education system today, to ensure an inclusive society tomorrow.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:52 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:This is very interesting and I would love elizel and mama to comment on this.

Devout Christian, 40, who was thrown off a university social work course after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' on Facebook to argue in the High Court that the ruling puts doctors and teachers at risk of disqualification

The human right to free speech could be at risk if a ruling against a devout Christian kicked off his university course for 'anti-gay' comments is not overturned, the former student will argue in the High Court next week.  

Felix Ngole, a devout Christian from Barnsley, Yorkshire, was forced to leave his two-year social work masters at Sheffield University after he posted 'homosexuality is a sin' to Facebook.

The 40-year-old  argued he had been unfairly punished for sharing his Christian believes and his removal from the course breached his human right to freedom of speech and thought, enshrined in the Europeans Convention on Human Rights

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791651/Christian-kicked-university-course-posting-homosexuality-sin-argue-against-ruling.html

It’s a tough one.

But because of his degree in social work the university was right to kick him off the course.

What if he was a Muslim???

What would you say if I posted your comment on here to your employer and you were fired??

Would you agree then.

Hmmmmm not convinced you would

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:55 am

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SEXY MAMA wrote:

It’s a tough one.

But because of his degree in social work the university was right to kick him off the course.

What if he was a Muslim???

What would you say if I posted your comment on here to your employer and you were fired??

Would you agree then.

Hmmmmm not convinced you would

I would have said EXACTLY the same thing.

Don’t i condemn Muslims when they act like pathetic idiots

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Post by phildidge on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:55 am

Faith schools academically 'no better' than any others, major new report suggests

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/faith-schools-academically-no-better-than-any-others-epi-report-religion-catholic-church-england-a7451676.html

https://rightsinfo.org/uk-allow-schools-discriminate-due-religion/

https://rightsinfo.org/faith-schools-discriminating-against-non-religious-children/

Its time we dispelled the myth that faith schools are better

In fact as they are allowed to discriminate they often pick the cream of the crop of students

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:57 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

My wanting to ban faith schools is not only due to being gay. It is also partly due to them being a potential breeding ground for intolerant views and extremism - something you should appreciate Wink

Regardless, it is not remotely the same. One is banning to prevent intolance the other is happening because of it.

I think you will find most CofE schools are highly sought after. People move house and a lot of atheist parents will pretend go to church to just qualify for sending their kids there

Go away and grow a pairs balls and say what you mean, because what I think you mean is that you want to ban Islamic faith schools but don't want to rock the boat with your best friend - sexymama.

And yes it is the same.

This brings us full circle to who is right and who is wrong.

Muslims think homosexuality is sinful and don't their kids taught about it so they want it banned

Your view seems to be that they are wrong because you disagree with them, do you grasp the concept that from their perspective they are in the right for wanting it banned.

Its the exact same way you declare yourself right when it comes to banning faith schools, whereas the people who use these school will say you are wrong.

Its fascinating to watch you completely miss how you are viewing each other through the same lens of bigotry and intolerance for each others lifestyle, all the whole proclaiming that you only want to ban each other because they are the bigots.

You may as well be the same people





Some very good points there. It simply all comes down to opinions and beliefs in the end. If the Government makes a decision you agree with, you think they're great. If they make one you don't agree with, you think they suck.

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