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Post by smelly-bandit on Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:22 pm

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:58 pm

The whore who can't keep her legs shut gets life whilst the innocent child is sentenced to death to avoid inconveniencing the mothers Saturday night orgy parties???

Sorry, I prefer it if we could develop a procedure where we kill the mother and save the child, that way she doesn't have to have the baby, best of both worlds


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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:06 pm

Andy wrote:Shame Smelly's mum didn't have one.

No mention of the hate emanating from this one then?

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:07 pm

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Smelly' and Deano are determined to become the #1 hatemongers on NewsFix...

Pushing some of the Hens Club back into a distant second..

Meanwhile, Smelly's grand master Deano has been slagging off Andy, veya and my most humble self, elsewhere in a trolling off-topic rant of his own.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:07 pm

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Andy wrote:Shame Smelly's mum didn't have one.

No mention of the hate emanating from this one then?

Yeah, that was a terrible thing to say as well.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:10 pm

Vintage wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Backstreet abortion??

I dont think it gets much more backstreet barbaric than ripping a baby limb from limb with a pair of overgrown pliers.

Do you??

But you seem to be suggesting the best way to avoid "backstreet abortions" is to trade one life for the other

The whore who can't keep her legs shut gets life whilst the innocent child is sentenced to death to avoid inconveniencing the mothers Saturday night orgy parties???

Sorry, I prefer it if we could develop a procedure where we kill the mother and save the child, that way she doesn't have to have the baby, best of both worlds

How about that??

It's interesting that you seem to think this is some kind of gender thing, plenty of women are against abortion so this is not about "men wanting to control women" (in case you hadn't noticed this isn't the middle East)

I find it hypocritical that you have a problem with "men controlling women's bodies" but have no problem with stripping control from the bodies of unborn babies.

I guess "HER BODY HER CHOICE" doesnt extend to female children.


Its pretty telling when you use the words 'the whore that can't keep her legs shut' how about the man who can't keep it in his pants?

There is obviously still a problem with men not taking responsibility for their actions and blaming everything on 'whores' and surely its you who is hypocritical.  It is gender based its the woman who literally has to bear the consequences, quite often alone.

All the more reason why she should be more careful, right?

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:12 pm

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Again, just because they say PP and other groups receive federal funds to provide abortions doesn't make it true. They've been telling this lie for decades now; it's how they raise funds and get people out to their rallies.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:12 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No mention of the hate emanating from this one then?

Yeah, that was a terrible thing  to say as well.

Did you not see it before then? It's just that you didn't say anything until it was pointed out to you.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:15 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
as soon as a heart beat develops its murder to abort the child.
afterall whats the difference between aborting a child at 22 weeks or aborting a man at 22 years??
we are all just feotuses arent we?? a cluster of cells??
its weird that more children have been aborted legally than jews killed by the nazis and yet no one bats an eyelid, in fact we have infanticides justifying their actions, im sure the final solution was justifiable to the nazis
is any pro-infanticide out there who can answer these questions??
why do you refer to the baby as a feotus instead of a baby??
why do you call it "termination of pregnancy" instead of "killing an unwanted child"
is it because you know deep down that what you are doing is a human rights atrocity, a genocide?? but feel the need to make yourselves feel better about killing the unborn??
is it why none of you will look at the pictures of what a real abortion looks like??
nevermind eh?? you take comfort in the fact that you support a womans choice........... just not unborn women
no unborn women have no choice, pretty misogynistic if you ask me

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:16 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:The whore who can't keep her legs shut gets life whilst the innocent child is sentenced to death to avoid inconveniencing the mothers Saturday night orgy parties???

Sorry, I prefer it if we could develop a procedure where we kill the mother and save the child, that way she doesn't have to have the baby, best of both worlds


The hate is radiating off of you ...

Yeah you're so very concerned about "the hate" aren't you??

How's your hatred of trump going?? Must be red hot now he is defunding PP


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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:19 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:


Again, just because they say PP and other groups receive federal funds to provide abortions doesn't make it true. They've been telling this lie for decades now; it's how they raise funds and get people out to their rallies.

She used to work at PP

she used to be on your side of the argument,but she crosses the road and suddenly she is a lair because she won't carry the narrative anymore???

If PP don't receive funds for abortion why are they going to be losing money now that Trump is defunding organizations that provide abortions???

Explain it to me, you seem to have all the answers


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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:21 pm

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:The whore who can't keep her legs shut gets life whilst the innocent child is sentenced to death to avoid inconveniencing the mothers Saturday night orgy parties???

Sorry, I prefer it if we could develop a procedure where we kill the mother and save the child, that way she doesn't have to have the baby, best of both worlds


The hate is radiating off of you ...

Yeah you're so very concerned about "the hate" aren't you??

How's your hatred of trump going?? Must be red hot now he is defunding PP


My hatred of Trump is based on stuff he's actually done. Your rant proves you hate women who seek abortions because of a slew of myths you believe about them.

Also, as much as I hate Trump, I would never favor having him killed, not even if it's proven he committed treason.

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Post by Vintage on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:26 pm

Sounds like Smelly doesn't like women much, probably afraid of them after all they have that devilish capacity to make a man loose control so its all their fault if they get raped and/or pregnant - how very middle eastern, perhaps he'd be happier in a Handmaid's Tale scenario, respectable obedient woman for wife, just for appearances sake - no sex, a handmaid to rape and make pregnant and whores to have fun with and above all no responsibility on the man's part.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:31 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:


Again, just because they say PP and other groups receive federal funds to provide abortions doesn't make it true. They've been telling this lie for decades now; it's how they raise funds and get people out to their rallies.

She used to work at PP

she used to be on your side of the argument,but she crosses the road and suddenly she is a lair because she won't carry the narrative anymore???

If PP don't receive funds for abortion why are they going to be losing money now that Trump is defunding organizations that provide abortions???

Explain it to me, you seem to have all the answers


Planned Parenthood provided 10.6 million services in 2013; 327,653 of those services were abortion procedures. Basically, abortion makes up about 3 percent of what PP does.

All organizations like PP, which provide abortions and other family planning services such as contraception, screening, etc., are required to have a separate budget for abortion services which cannot contain any money received from the federal government.

So the money that Trump is taking from organizations like PP won't have any effect on the abortion rate in the U.S., since it won't impact the budget for abortions.

Here's a good, objective examination of the law and what PP does with federal funding: https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:37 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Yeah you're so very concerned about "the hate" aren't you??

How's your hatred of trump going?? Must be red hot now he is defunding PP


My hatred of Trump is based on stuff he's actually done.  Your rant proves you hate women who seek abortions because of a slew of myths you believe about them.

Also, as much as I hate Trump, I would never favor having him killed, not even if  it's  proven  he committed treason.

What trumps done??

Boost the economy??

Lowest unemployment in Black and ethnic minorities???

Not illegally invaded another country??

Brought NK to the peace table??

You hate him for those those things but don't want him dead??

So how can you be in favour of abortion??

What double think do you have to apply to be able to say "I'm OK with people ripping babies limb from limb but I couldn't possibly wish death on the man I despise the most in all the world??"

It sounds like you are desperate to avoid anything bar the merest surface examination on the issue of abortions

Sounds like you are playing identity politics and because you're a democrat you have to pro abortion but don't really want to be but have to be because that's what Democrats stand for.

Its telling when a person has to sanitise the language they use in order maintain their point of view

It's not killing a baby it's "terminating a pregnancy"

It's not a baby it's a "cluster of cells"


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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:46 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

She used to work at PP

she used to be on your side of the argument,but she crosses the road and suddenly she is a lair because she won't carry the narrative anymore???

If PP don't receive funds for abortion why are they going to be losing money now that Trump is defunding organizations that provide abortions???

Explain it to me, you seem to have all the answers


Planned Parenthood provided 10.6 million services in 2013; 327,653 of those services were abortion procedures. Basically, abortion makes up about 3 percent of  what PP  does.

All organizations like PP, which provide abortions and other family planning  services  such  as contraception, screening, etc., are required to have a separate budget for abortion services  which cannot contain any money received from the federal government.

So the money that Trump  is taking from  organizations like PP won't have any effect  on the  abortion rate  in  the U.S., since  it  won't impact the budget for abortions.

Here's a good, objective examination of the law and what PP does with federal funding: https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money

All those services are bullshit

Walking through the front door and them saying "hello how can we help you" is considered a "service" giving a glass of water is considered a "service"

Their primary function is abortion

They receive funding for "services" like screening etc, the funding that was already allocated to those services are then reallocated to abortions

All it is is shuffling money around in a clever way, but the bottom line is that PP is allowed to carry out an eye watering amount of abortions is because of govt funding.

Explain this to me.

If PP doesn't use any govt funding for abortions why would they be defunded??

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:58 pm

Vintage wrote:Sounds like Smelly doesn't like women much, probably afraid of them after all they have that devilish capacity to make a man loose control so its all their fault if they get raped and/or pregnant - how very middle eastern,  perhaps he'd be happier in a Handmaid's Tale scenario, respectable obedient woman for wife, just for appearances sake - no sex, a handmaid to rape and make pregnant and whores to have fun with and above all no responsibility on the man's part.

I think it's women's fault if they get pregnant, unless they're forcibly raped or threatened, and I'm not a woman hater. If I was, I'd have to hate myself. Razz

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:09 pm

Vintage wrote:Sounds like Smelly doesn't like women much, probably afraid of them after all they have that devilish capacity to make a man loose control so its all their fault if they get raped and/or pregnant - how very middle eastern,  perhaps he'd be happier in a Handmaid's Tale scenario, respectable obedient woman for wife, just for appearances sake - no sex, a handmaid to rape and make pregnant and whores to have fun with and above all no responsibility on the man's part.

If a woman wants an abortion the father has zero rights, he cannot say no you must have this baby.

No rights = no responsibilities

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Post by Vintage on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:21 pm

Same can be said for a woman, if she is forced somehow or actually raped what responsibility does she have to keep the baby?
Although by the sound of your arguments its always the woman fault, she shouldn't be out without a male escort better still she shouldn't be out at all, and of course she invites assault by what she wears or what she drinks or how loud she laughs. God forbid she should flirt. As far as I am concerned if the father wants the baby there's usually no reason for an abortion although it does happen I know, if the father wants it, great let him find a way to gestate it and give birth.


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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:22 pm

Can any of the pro abortionists, particularly the feminist ones on here who support the idea of "her body her choice" deal with the fact that immigrant women from male dominated societies as well as western women in abusive controlling relationships will often be forced to have an abortion by their husbands because the child is female or for some other reason??

Do they understand that by trying to empower women through abortion they are in many cases handing direct control of that woman's body to a man

Ironic eh??

"Her body his choice"

Is your morality based on numbers?? Do you think that because in your opinion it doesn't happen that often it's acceptable

Is it the military mindset of "acceptable collateral damage"



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Post by Maddog on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:25 pm

Planned Parenthood is basically an abortion provider that does a few other services for women to give the illusion that they are a women's clinic.  There are already clinics that do that without performing abortions.  

I dont even care if abortion is legal or not anymore, and I'm not going to wade into that mess. 

But I dont think its unfair to expect PP to fund itself free from subsidies.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:29 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:Can any of the pro abortionists, particularly the feminist ones on here who support the idea of "her body her choice" deal with the fact that immigrant women from male dominated societies as well as western women in abusive controlling relationships will often be forced to have an abortion by their husbands because the child is female or for some other reason??

Do they understand that by trying to empower women through abortion they are in many cases handing direct control of that woman's body to a man

Ironic eh??

"Her body his choice"

Is your morality based on numbers?? Do you think that because in your opinion it doesn't happen that often it's acceptable

Is it the military mindset of "acceptable collateral damage"



Sorry but can someone translate the above into something rational please?

So from what I understand, only women are at fault when they fall pregnant. No matter that condemns do not work 3% of the time. Now is the pill 100% proof against getting pregnant. Its the womens fault according to the extreme Christian brigade

wow

To now where men are forcing women to get abortions, this is due to empowering women?

One moment



Yep you heard that first here, the empowerment of women, has led to men continuing to force them against their will.

And he wonders why people dont take radical christians seriously

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:31 pm

Vintage wrote:Same can be said for a woman, if she is forced somehow or actually raped what responsibility does she have to keep the baby?
Although by the sound of your arguments its always the woman fault, she shouldn't be out without a male escort better still she shouldn't be out at all, and of course she invites assault by what she wears or what she drinks or how loud she laughs. God forbid she should flirt.

The woman has no responsibility, according to you its the baby's fault

The rapist doesn't even get a death sentence. The baby does though, which is a double tragedy since aborting the child won't un-rape the women

Seems kinda pointless to compound the misery

You happy with that??

Sounds like you're trying to justify something???

Are you disturbed by those pictures?? I did warn you that you wouldn't be able to unsee them.

Is it the first time you've been given a glimpse between the surgical curtain??

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Post by Vintage on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:33 pm

Rags, I can't agree with that or follow your reasoning. The only sure contraception is abstinence, are you suggesting all women do that unless in a marriage or partnership where children have been decided upon. Every other method has proved to fail to some degree however careful the woman may be and are you saying men have no responsibility in the conception of a child?

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Post by phildidge on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:36 pm

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Vintage wrote:Same can be said for a woman, if she is forced somehow or actually raped what responsibility does she have to keep the baby?
Although by the sound of your arguments its always the woman fault, she shouldn't be out without a male escort better still she shouldn't be out at all, and of course she invites assault by what she wears or what she drinks or how loud she laughs. God forbid she should flirt.

The woman has no responsibility, according to you its the baby's fault

The rapist doesn't even get a death sentence. The baby does though, which is a double tragedy since aborting the child won't un-rape the women

Seems kinda pointless to compound the misery

You happy with that??

Sounds like you're trying to justify something???

Are you disturbed by those pictures?? I did warn you that you wouldn't be able to unsee them.

Is it the first time you've been given a glimpse between the surgical curtain??

Oh for goodness sake

Yep I am happy to empower women to with their own bodies as they please

As its their bodies and not yours

Well these is a solution to this

You can have your dick removed and have ovaries transplanted into you

As this is now scientifically possible

You can then experince this for women

Get pregnant and then give birth

Then raise this child

So when ever a man from a poor family gets horny, they can come over and fuck you, as you have no problem saving the women from being forced on by her husband and are happy to take the risk of getting pregnant right?

I mean its all about saving life is it not?

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:38 pm

Vintage wrote: Rags, I can't agree with that or follow your reasoning. The only sure contraception is abstinence, are you suggesting all women do that unless in a marriage or partnership where children have been decided upon. Every other method has proved to fail to some degree however careful the woman may be and are you saying men have no responsibility in the conception of a child?

fear not they are making a male contraception, and women are hating it.

It takes the ability to create life out of female hands, and we all know women hate what they can't control.

If this male contraceptive is effective it will significantly reduce the number of abortions because it will be a man's choice when it comes to getting a woman pregnant

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Vintage wrote: Rags, I can't agree with that or follow your reasoning. The only sure contraception is abstinence, are you suggesting all women do that unless in a marriage or partnership where children have been decided upon. Every other method has proved to fail to some degree however careful the woman may be and are you saying men have no responsibility in the conception of a child?

fear not they are making a male contraception, and women are hating it.

It takes the ability to create life out of female hands, and we all know women hate what they can't control.

If this male contraceptive is effective it will significantly reduce the number of abortions because it will be a man's choice when it comes to getting a woman pregnant

Seriously, is smelly for real here, on how and when people get pregnant using contraceptives, he now thinks its the womans fault.

That if she is on the pill and gets pregnant its her fault to him

And people are actually engaging in this unscienfitic stupidity of his

He also wants women to reply on men using contraceptives?

wow

Throughout he has been all about hating women here

To him men bare no responsibility for anything

This is the same kind of Christian crap that is taught from the beginning

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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:45 pm

Smelly you’re talking shite.

TWO people have consenting sex so it’s up to BOTH whether they get pregnant or not.

Did you ever get someone pregnant and she went and had an abortion behind your back? Jut asking.

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Post by Vintage on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:46 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Vintage wrote:Same can be said for a woman, if she is forced somehow or actually raped what responsibility does she have to keep the baby?
Although by the sound of your arguments its always the woman fault, she shouldn't be out without a male escort better still she shouldn't be out at all, and of course she invites assault by what she wears or what she drinks or how loud she laughs. God forbid she should flirt.

The woman has no responsibility, according to you its the baby's fault

The rapist doesn't even get a death sentence. The baby does though, which is a double tragedy since aborting the child won't un-rape the women

Seems kinda pointless to compound the misery

You happy with that??

Sounds like you're trying to justify something???

Are you disturbed by those pictures?? I did warn you that you wouldn't be able to unsee them.

Is it the first time you've been given a glimpse between the surgical curtain??


Yes I saw the pictures, I've been to a number of pro life presentations, we also had an extreme religious sect, shoving such photos through peoples post boxes a few years ago not all abortions are carried out in the way you are illustrating.
Of course its not the baby's fault, you seem to be of the opinion its the 'whore's' fault as you so daintily put it.
Unless its rape then both the man and woman are responsible for any conception, I'm just saying its about time men took responsibility for their own reproductive activity and not leave it all to the woman, then if both take steps to not conceive a child, a belt and braces approach, perhaps the demand for abortion would diminish greatly and every child would be a wanted child.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:47 pm

Vintage wrote: Rags, I can't agree with that or follow your reasoning. The only sure contraception is abstinence, are you suggesting all women do that unless in a marriage or partnership where children have been decided upon. Every other method has proved to fail to some degree however careful the woman may be and are you saying men have no responsibility in the conception of a child?

Well then they should use two methods if they really don't want to get pregnant. Men aren't the ones who get pregnant, so it's the woman who needs to take care.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:50 pm

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Vintage wrote: Rags, I can't agree with that or follow your reasoning. The only sure contraception is abstinence, are you suggesting all women do that unless in a marriage or partnership where children have been decided upon. Every other method has proved to fail to some degree however careful the woman may be and are you saying men have no responsibility in the conception of a child?

Well then they should use two methods if they really don't want to get pregnant. Men aren't the ones who get pregnant, so it's the woman who needs to take care.

Unbelievable

So men bare no responsibility, if both dont want the women to get pregnant, where the contraception does not work?

Its only down to the woman to take care

wow again

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:55 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

Well then they should use two methods if they really don't want to get pregnant. Men aren't the ones who get pregnant, so it's the woman who needs to take care.

Unbelievable

So men bare no responsibility, if both dont want the women to get pregnant, where the contraception does not work?

Its only down to the woman to take care

wow again

Yes, it is. Of course a man can take precautions also, but it's up to the woman to make completely sure.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:57 pm

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Thor wrote:

Unbelievable

So men bare no responsibility, if both dont want the women to get pregnant, where the contraception does not work?

Its only down to the woman to take care

wow again

Yes, it is. Of course a man can take precautions also, but it's up to the woman to make completely sure.

Its up to both to make sure

How you place the main responsibility on women is unbelievable

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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:57 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Vintage wrote: Rags, I can't agree with that or follow your reasoning. The only sure contraception is abstinence, are you suggesting all women do that unless in a marriage or partnership where children have been decided upon. Every other method has proved to fail to some degree however careful the woman may be and are you saying men have no responsibility in the conception of a child?

Well then they should use two methods if they really don't want to get pregnant. Men aren't the ones who get pregnant, so it's the woman who needs to take care.

TWO people have consenting sex so it’s up to BOTH whether they get pregnant or not.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:59 pm

eddie wrote:Smelly you’re talking shite.

TWO people have consenting sex so it’s up to BOTH whether they get pregnant or not.

Did you ever get someone pregnant and she went and had an abortion behind your back? Jut asking.

No I don't tend to get many women pregnant if I can help it

But the law as it stands supports a women to have an abortion without needing permission from anyone

Please don't tell me you're seriously suggesting that if a couple decides to have a child and the women then decides to abort the child, that the father would have any say in the issue.

Put the joint down

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eddie wrote:Smelly you’re talking shite.

TWO people have consenting sex so it’s up to BOTH whether they get pregnant or not.

Did you ever get someone pregnant and she went and had an abortion behind your back? Jut asking.

No I don't tend to get many women pregnant if I can help it

But the law as it stands supports a women to have an abortion without needing permission from anyone

Please don't tell me you're seriously suggesting that if a couple decides to have a child and the women then decides to abort the child, that the father would have any say in the issue.

Put the joint down

That is because this is happenning in her body not the mans

The man should never have a say over what happens to a woman's body

Its her choice

She is the one having to go through this, not him

He may not like it, but that is tough

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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:06 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:Smelly you’re talking shite.

TWO people have consenting sex so it’s up to BOTH whether they get pregnant or not.

Did you ever get someone pregnant and she went and had an abortion behind your back? Jut asking.

No I don't tend to get many women pregnant if I can help it

But the law as it stands supports a women to have an abortion without needing permission from anyone

Please don't tell me you're seriously suggesting that if a couple decides to have a child and the women then decides to abort the child, that the father would have any say in the issue.

Put the joint down

Don’t spoil your own debate by saying “put the joint down”, it’s a pointless point.
Anyway...
If a man wants to ensure that a woman doesn’t get pregnant, even if she says she is on the pill, then he should make doubly sure and wear a condom. Right?

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:12 pm

Vintage wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

The woman has no responsibility, according to you its the baby's fault

The rapist doesn't even get a death sentence. The baby does though, which is a double tragedy since aborting the child won't un-rape the women

Seems kinda pointless to compound the misery

You happy with that??

Sounds like you're trying to justify something???

Are you disturbed by those pictures?? I did warn you that you wouldn't be able to unsee them.

Is it the first time you've been given a glimpse between the surgical curtain??


Yes I saw the pictures, I've been to a number of pro life presentations, we also had an extreme religious sect, shoving such photos through peoples post boxes a few years ago not all abortions are carried out in the way you are illustrating.
Of course its not the baby's fault, you seem to be of the opinion its the 'whore's' fault as you so daintily put it.
Unless its rape then both the man and woman are responsible for any conception, I'm just saying its about time men took responsibility for their own reproductive activity and not leave it all to the woman, then if both take steps to not conceive a child, a belt and braces approach, perhaps the demand for abortion would diminish greatly and every child would be a wanted child.

If it's not the babies fault why does the baby take all the blame??

You want men to take responsibility??? What about women taking responsibility??

Do women take a share of the blame?? If so then the responsibility is split 50/50

But abortion for convenience means the mother takes zero responsibility while the baby is held 100% accountable for the situation, with the result of he or she losing their life

Any chance you can explain the mind bending logic you're using because i cannot understand how you can occupy multiple positions at the same time


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Vintage wrote:


Yes I saw the pictures, I've been to a number of pro life presentations, we also had an extreme religious sect, shoving such photos through peoples post boxes a few years ago not all abortions are carried out in the way you are illustrating.
Of course its not the baby's fault, you seem to be of the opinion its the 'whore's' fault as you so daintily put it.
Unless its rape then both the man and woman are responsible for any conception, I'm just saying its about time men took responsibility for their own reproductive activity and not leave it all to the woman, then if both take steps to not conceive a child, a belt and braces approach, perhaps the demand for abortion would diminish greatly and every child would be a wanted child.

If it's not the babies fault why does the baby take all the blame??

You want men to take responsibility??? What about women taking responsibility??

Do women take a share of the blame?? If so then the responsibility is split 50/50

But abortion for convenience means the mother takes zero responsibility while the baby is held 100% accountable for the situation, with the result of he or she losing their life

Any chance you can explain the mind bending logic you're using because i cannot understand how you can occupy multiple positions at the same time


Have you actually met a woman that has gone through an abortion?

Seriously?

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:16 pm

Smelly, please stop this virtue signaling of pretending to care about the fetuses. You know as well as I do that you only care about certain fetuses.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:23 pm

eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

No I don't tend to get many women pregnant if I can help it

But the law as it stands supports a women to have an abortion without needing permission from anyone

Please don't tell me you're seriously suggesting that if a couple decides to have a child and the women then decides to abort the child, that the father would have any say in the issue.

Put the joint down

Don’t spoil your own debate by saying “put the joint down”, it’s a pointless point.
Anyway...
If a man wants to ensure that a woman doesn’t get pregnant, even if she says she is on the pill, then he should make doubly sure and wear a condom. Right?

This isn't a debate, there is nothing to debate about ripping a baby limb from limb.

And the "debate" has veered off course

We are now in the territory of #manshaming.

Men need to take responsibility blah blah blah.

And what if a man does wear a condom and it splits??? What if after that he still wants to have the baby??

What if he says he will take full custody of the child and the mother won't be burdened at all??

What if he takes all the responsibility you could want him to and the woman still decides to terminate???

What then eddie???

Whose side do you come down on then??

How does your opinion on abortion hold up then?? A wanted baby terminate because "her body her choice"???

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Post by Vintage on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:25 pm

What I want is for there to be responsibility by all parties, men and women need to ensure as far as possible with the current methods that a baby is not conceived unless the couple specifically agree to raising a child, the need for abortions should diminish to a great degree, leaving possibly distinct medical reasons for it.
Do you think the doctors in the case in Ireland were right in what they did, to allow mother and child to die, or are you of the old time religious belief that if the mother and child can't be saved you should save the child, after all another wife is easy to find, save a potential life before an existing one.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:29 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Smelly, please stop this virtue signaling of pretending to care about the fetuses. You know as well as I do that you only care about certain fetuses.

"If you're a black women in America, it's statistically safer to have an abortion than to carry a pregnancy to term or give birth"

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:30 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

She used to work at PP

she used to be on your side of the argument,but she crosses the road and suddenly she is a lair because she won't carry the narrative anymore???

If PP don't receive funds for abortion why are they going to be losing money now that Trump is defunding organizations that provide abortions???

Explain it to me, you seem to have all the answers


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All organizations like PP, which provide abortions and other family planning  services  such  as contraception, screening, etc., are required to have a separate budget for abortion services  which cannot contain any money received from the federal government.

So the money that Trump  is taking from  organizations like PP won't have any effect  on the  abortion rate  in  the U.S., since  it  won't impact the budget for abortions.

Here's a good, objective examination of the law and what PP does with federal funding: https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money

All those services are bullshit

Walking through the front door and them saying "hello how can we help you" is considered a "service" giving a glass of water is considered a "service"

Their primary function is abortion

They receive funding for "services" like screening etc, the funding that was already allocated to those services are then reallocated to abortions

All it is is shuffling money around in a clever way, but the bottom line is that PP is allowed to carry out an eye watering amount of abortions is because of govt funding.

Explain this to me.

If PP doesn't use any govt funding for abortions why would they be defunded??

Red meat for the Republican base, nothing more.

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Smelly, please stop this virtue signaling of pretending to care about the fetuses. You know as well as I do that you only care about certain fetuses.

"If you're a black women in America, it's statistically safer to have an abortion than to carry a pregnancy to term or give birth"

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"Between 1998-2015, 16.1mil women accessed abortion care, 108 died. Btwn 2011–'13, BW accounted for 43.5 deaths of every 100,000 live births" - Planned Parenthood

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Vintage wrote:What I want is for there to be responsibility by all parties, men and women need to ensure as far as possible with the current methods that a baby is not conceived unless the couple specifically agree to raising a child, the need for abortions should diminish to a great degree, leaving possibly distinct medical reasons for it.
Do you think the doctors in the case in Ireland were right in what they did, to allow mother and child to die, or are you of the old time religious belief that if the mother and child can't be saved you should save the child, after all another wife is easy to find, save a potential life before an existing one.

When this male contraceptive is developed it will hopefully lead to less women getting pregnant and therefore less abortions.

I'm all in favour of more effective contraception

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Funny how you assumed I wouldn't click the link and see the context you left out, smelly.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:37 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Vintage wrote:What I want is for there to be responsibility by all parties, men and women need to ensure as far as possible with the current methods that a baby is not conceived unless the couple specifically agree to raising a child, the need for abortions should diminish to a great degree, leaving possibly distinct medical reasons for it.
Do you think the doctors in the case in Ireland were right in what they did, to allow mother and child to die, or are you of the old time religious belief that if the mother and child can't be saved you should save the child, after all another wife is easy to find, save a potential life before an existing one.

When this male contraceptive is developed it will hopefully lead to less women getting pregnant and therefore less abortions.

I'm all in favour of more effective contraception

So ,you are reliant on men being totally responsible taking this pill or gel and using a condemn (you know preventing sexually transmitted diseases)

When many men are so against wearing a condemn?

You think women ae going to trust the word of men, they are on the pill or gel?

Good luck with that

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Post by smelly-bandit on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:41 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

"If you're a black women in America, it's statistically safer to have an abortion than to carry a pregnancy to term or give birth"

Planned Parenthood

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"Between 1998-2015, 16.1mil women accessed abortion care, 108 died. Btwn 2011–'13, BW accounted for 43.5 deaths of every 100,000 live births" - Planned Parenthood

Sounds like black genocide to me

Ironic that Democrats push abortion so hard when the target audience is the black community

Imagine how many voters you would have if you didn't encourage blacks to regulate their populations so rigidly??

with such a high kill rate among the black babies, pushed by the Democrats, one could be forgiven for thinking that Democrats really fucking hate black people.

Its quite sinister really, you Democrats can't legally go around killing black people so you convince them it's a good idea to do it to themselves.

Fucking hell, South African government wasn't even that evil

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:43 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

"If you're a black women in America, it's statistically safer to have an abortion than to carry a pregnancy to term or give birth"

Planned Parenthood

https://mobile.twitter.com/PPBlackComm/status/925380307242582016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-23447120321014345939.ampproject.net%2F1902151859190%2Fframe.html

"Between 1998-2015, 16.1mil women accessed abortion care, 108 died. Btwn 2011–'13, BW accounted for 43.5 deaths of every 100,000 live births" - Planned Parenthood

Sounds like black genocide to me

Ironic that Democrats push abortion so hard when the target audience is the black community

Imagine how many voters you would have if you didn't encourage blacks to regulate their populations so rigidly??

with such a high kill rate among the black babies, pushed by the Democrats, one could be forgiven for thinking that Democrats really fucking hate black people.

Its quite sinister really, you Democrats can't legally go around killing black people so you convince them it's a good idea to do it to themselves.

Fucking hell, South African government wasn't even that evil


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