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Post by smelly-bandit on Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:22 pm

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Post by phildidge on Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:35 pm

Syl wrote:
Thor wrote:

So removing cancerous cells is now murder?

They are living cells after all Sexy.

Dont be stupid.

I dont agree with SM, but you and I both know exactly what she means. Rolling Eyes

I dont personally think there is any point in debating about the rights or wrongs of abortion again (it's already been done over and over) No one side will change their opinion.... for many there is just no middle ground on this subject.


No its not being stupid, the reality is that it is just a bunch of cells with conception

Its not a living sentient being

Hence its irrational to claim murder based on cells, as then the removal of cancereous cells would also be murder

So I knew exactly what she said

I mean that is like saying taking the morning after pill is murder

I mean I keep asking people to say when is the cut off point for this with abortion.

How many weeks?

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:02 pm

phildidge wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:From the moment the cell is formed it’s a living thing.

So it’s classed as murder.

So removing cancerous cells is now murder?

They are living cells after all Sexy.

Didge how can you make that comparission??????

Cancerous cells versus cells that form a LIFE.


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Re: Pro-abortion???

Post by SEXY MAMA on Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:06 pm

phildidge wrote:
Syl wrote:

Dont be stupid.

I dont agree with SM, but you and I both know exactly what she means. Rolling Eyes

I dont personally think there is any point in debating about the rights or wrongs of abortion again (it's already been done over and over) No one side will change their opinion.... for many there is just no middle ground on this subject.


No its not being stupid, the reality is that it is just a bunch of cells with conception

Its not a living sentient being

Hence its irrational to claim murder based on cells, as then the removal of cancereous cells would also be murder

So I knew exactly what she said

I mean that is like saying taking the morning after pill is murder

I mean I keep asking people to say when is the cut off point for this with abortion.

How many weeks?

Morning after pill is totally different.

It’s prevention isn’t it rather than destroying them.

If you can’t comprehend the basic issue of how this is morally wrong then there is little point in arguing about it with you Didge.


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Re: Pro-abortion???

Post by phildidge on Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:32 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
phildidge wrote:


No its not being stupid, the reality is that it is just a bunch of cells with conception

Its not a living sentient being

Hence its irrational to claim murder based on cells, as then the removal of cancereous cells would also be murder

So I knew exactly what she said

I mean that is like saying taking the morning after pill is murder

I mean I keep asking people to say when is the cut off point for this with abortion.

How many weeks?

Morning after pill is totally different.

It’s prevention isn’t it rather than destroying them.

If you can’t comprehend the basic issue of how this is morally wrong then there is little point in arguing about it with you Didge.



Well I am debating where as seen there is a view point to the cut off

You claim morally wrong, based on what aspect?

Life?

So is an embryo the same as an human child or adult?

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Post by phildidge on Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:34 pm

Also I thought In islam, the belief is that the the soul developes in the Embro after 120 days. Which is just over 17 weeks.

That is why stem cell research is allowed within Islam

Is actaully morally better than the Catholic view point that takes the view on life at conception

Abortion is allowed in Islam, if the mother's life is in danger

So even within Islam, it has exceptions

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Re: Pro-abortion???

Post by SEXY MAMA on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:47 pm

phildidge wrote:Also I thought In islam, the belief is that the the soul developes in the Embro after 120 days. Which is just over 17 weeks.

That is why stem cell research is allowed within Islam

Is actaully morally better than the Catholic view point that takes the view on life at conception

Abortion is allowed in Islam, if the mother's life is in danger

So even within Islam, it has exceptions

No you have it wrong in regards to the soul.

It’s done straight away as soon as the cell is formed from day 1

In regards to abortion
Of course it’s allowed if the mother’s health is at risk.

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Re: Pro-abortion???

Post by phildidge on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:50 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
phildidge wrote:Also I thought In islam, the belief is that the the soul developes in the Embro after 120 days. Which is just over 17 weeks.

That is why stem cell research is allowed within Islam

Is actaully morally better than the Catholic view point that takes the view on life at conception

Abortion is allowed in Islam, if the mother's life is in danger

So even within Islam, it has exceptions

No you have it wrong in regards to the soul.

It’s done straight away as soon as the elk is formed from day 1

In regards to abortion
Of course it’s allowed if the mother’s health is at risk.


No, that is your view, which is the problem with islam. Nobody can lay to claim what Allah statted on this (mainly as he is a figment of imagination)

The whole religion is based on interpretation

So why is stem cell research allowed in Islam?

The majority view is based on 120 days Sexy

You are neither the expert on islam, as much as any other Muslim and this is the problem with Islam

Its why there has been a continued war within Islam, since its conception

It has no central figure and nobody can claim to say what is the right Islam

So how am i wrong, when the majority again of Muslims disagree with you?

https://www.natureasia.com/en/nmiddleeast/article/10.1038/nmiddleeast.2012.125

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:54 pm

Didge

It’s states it in the Quran

Which we believe is the word of Allah

I’m an expert on my religion because I’ve follwed it and studied it all my life.

Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about!

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Re: Pro-abortion???

Post by phildidge on Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:01 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:Didge

It’s states it in the Quran

Which we believe is the word of Allah

I’m an expert on my religion because I’ve follwed it and studied it all my life.

Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about!


No, that is your own intepretation

Its why many Muslims disagree with you, say for example. With the likes of Wahhabism

Its a different view point on Islam

So you are claiming to be an expert on a book, that just about every Muslim, has a different view point on every given text?

Sorry, but how exactly are you an expert, when Muslims constantly disagree on this very texts?

It means nobody is really an authority on Islam

What people are, is followers, of a particular point of view on Islam

Again, the majority view, outweighs your view on this Sexy

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:07 pm

Nobody has authority on Islam
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I never said I had authority I said I’m an expert

2 Billion people cannot agree on every aspect of Islam.

They are 72 sects within Islam alone.

How do you expect everyone to ageee on everything????

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Re: Pro-abortion???

Post by phildidge on Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:13 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:Nobody has authority on Islam
TRUE

I never said I had authority I said I’m an expert

2 Billion people cannot agree on every aspect of Islam.

They are 72 sects within Islam alone.

How do you expect everyone to ageee on everything????


So if nobody is an authority on Islam, how is anyone an expert?

All anyone is an expert on. Is their own interpretation of islam

Which is the problem of islam

As it is with Christianity

It has 40,000 denominations

Its where the Abrahamic beliefs always get it wrong

They read a book and always intepret their own view from this

Which says to me either

1) This deity is incompetant. That they are unable to convey a message, without people disagreeing

2) Or this was man made and written by men. As a supreme intelligence would never portray a message that was ambiguous

3) Or this deity is evil and laughing at people. As he/she/non-binary has them constantly under control. By the fact. He/she/non-binary deliberately left his/her/non-binary message ambiguous? In order that they continually fight over this for the last 1400 years.

What statement seems more true to you?

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Post by smelly-bandit on Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:48 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:Didge

It’s states it in the Quran

Which we believe is the word of Allah

I’m an expert on my religion because I’ve follwed it and studied it all my life.

Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about!

that doesnt make you an expert

there are plenty of illiterate Muslims in the world who have been following islam all their life and yet have never read the qur'an, are they more knowledgable about islam than i am?? (ive read the qur'an)

you dont follow islam completely either since you oppose 100 lashes for adultery which the punishment prescribed by the qur'an

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Post by smelly-bandit on Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:48 pm

anyway fuck islam

this is about murdering unborn children


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Post by phildidge on Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:26 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:anyway fuck islam

this is about murdering unborn children


So you not see how the above is illogical

This is about whether embryos are the same as children or not.

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