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Post by Victorismyhero on Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:56 pm

British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'


One of three schoolgirls who left east London in 2015 to join the Islamic State group says she has no regrets, but wants to return to the UK.

In an interview with the Times, Shamima Begum, now 19, talked about seeing "beheaded heads" in bins - but said that it "did not faze her".

Speaking from a camp in Syria, she said she was nine months pregnant and wanted to come home for the sake of her baby.

She said she'd had two other babies who had both died.

She also described how one of her two school friends that had left the UK with her had died in a bombing. The fate of the third girl is unclear.

JUST,,,,,NO!

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Post by Vintage on Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:14 pm

I say no as well, because she decided to go there and she has to have seen on news reports what was going on before she went and the fact that she said seeing beheaded heads in bins didn't faze her. No thanks.


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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:05 am

Lord Foul wrote:British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'


One of three schoolgirls who left east London in 2015 to join the Islamic State group says she has no regrets, but wants to return to the UK.

In an interview with the Times, Shamima Begum, now 19, talked about seeing "beheaded heads" in bins - but said that it "did not faze her".

Speaking from a camp in Syria, she said she was nine months pregnant and wanted to come home for the sake of her baby.

She said she'd had two other babies who had both died.

She also described how one of her two school friends that had left the UK with her had died in a bombing. The fate of the third girl is unclear.

JUST,,,,,NO!


A new law is being introduced

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/12/jihadists-could-face-10-years-prison-return-uk-new-laws/

Convict and send her to prison

Have the baby taken into the care of other familiy members of placed into care

The child is innocent of the crimes of the mother

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Post by Victorismyhero on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:15 am

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Lord Foul wrote:British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'


One of three schoolgirls who left east London in 2015 to join the Islamic State group says she has no regrets, but wants to return to the UK.

In an interview with the Times, Shamima Begum, now 19, talked about seeing "beheaded heads" in bins - but said that it "did not faze her".

Speaking from a camp in Syria, she said she was nine months pregnant and wanted to come home for the sake of her baby.

She said she'd had two other babies who had both died.

She also described how one of her two school friends that had left the UK with her had died in a bombing. The fate of the third girl is unclear.

JUST,,,,,NO!


A new law is being introduced

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/12/jihadists-could-face-10-years-prison-return-uk-new-laws/

Convict and send her to prison

Have the baby taken into the care of other familiy members of placed into care

The child is innocent of the crimes of the mother
Not my problem...why should we pay to raise another Jihadi?
10 years or even 50 years aint enough ti jail em for and they wont get 10 years knowing our warped justice system, some lefty judge will give em a year at most , of which they will serve half Rolling Eyes

Leaver her and her misbegotten brat to their fate.

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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:17 am

Lord Foul wrote:
Thor wrote:


A new law is being introduced

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/12/jihadists-could-face-10-years-prison-return-uk-new-laws/

Convict and send her to prison

Have the baby taken into the care of other familiy members of placed into care

The child is innocent of the crimes of the mother
Not my problem...why should we pay to raise another Jihadi?
10 years or even 50 years aint enough ti jail em for and they wont get 10 years knowing our warped justice system, some lefty judge will give em a year at most , of which they will serve half Rolling Eyes

Leaver her and her misbegotten brat to their fate.


That is low and beyond belief to claim the child will become a jihadist, based on guilt by association

The baby is innocent and is not responsible for the crimes of the mother

The child is at least half british and has a right to citizenship

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Post by Victorismyhero on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:24 am

Not by my books it hasnt....the mother renounced citizenship the day she left, by the act of leaving to join an enemy ...the child was conceived abroad and is NOT therfore entitled to citizenship

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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:29 am

Lord Foul wrote:Not by my books it hasnt....the mother renounced citizenship the day she left, by the act of leaving to join an enemy ...the child was conceived abroad and is NOT therfore entitled to citizenship


Does not matter if the mother did, again the child is innocent to what the mother has done

The child is still able to be a British citizen

You cannot make up the rules as you go along, to fit your own beliefs

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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:33 am

She doesn't seem very apologetic.

Maddog rules the kid can be raised British.

Mom can stay wherever, as long as it's not in the UK.

I feel like Yul Brenner.


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Post by Victorismyhero on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:36 am

Why do we want it?
And why should the taxpayer pay for the results of that evil womans criminal acts?

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Post by Victorismyhero on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:38 am

Maddog wrote:She doesn't seem very apologetic.

Maddog rules the kid can be raised British.

Mom can stay wherever, as long as it's not in the UK.

I feel like Yul Brenner.

 
We will send it to you....it will probably make a good redneck

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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:39 am

Lord Foul wrote:Why do we want it?
And why should the taxpayer pay for the results of that evil womans criminal acts?

I'm sure there are plenty of Brits that are unwanted. But citizenship confers certain rights. You can't lose those rights because mama was a dumbass.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:41 am

Lord Foul wrote:
Maddog wrote:She doesn't seem very apologetic.

Maddog rules the kid can be raised British.

Mom can stay wherever, as long as it's not in the UK.

I feel like Yul Brenner.

 
We will send it to you....it will probably make a good redneck

We have enough offspring of dumbasses to deal with already.

Send it to Canada.

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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:41 am

Lord Foul wrote:Why do we want it?
And why should the taxpayer pay for the results of that evil womans criminal acts?


You could make such a claim of any criminals baby

Which is thus making the child as culpable to the crimes of the parent

You ask why we should raise a baby?

Because that baby is innocent, a British citizen and most of all its what seperates up from the Jihadists morally and ethnically

We dont blame and criminalise based on guilt by association, as terrorists do

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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:57 am

She made her bed, fucking lie in it [with her Baby ISIS]
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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:04 am

We have enough "innocent babies" in our country waiting to be adopted without bringing in another !
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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:57 am

Basketball

Britain should strip those women of their citizenship, and cancel their passports...

Their babies/children are native-born citizens of whatever country they were born in  --  why should they be able to claim British citizenship  ?

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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:36 am

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Post by Victorismyhero on Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:42 am

fook me .....

me 'n' wolfie agree on something

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Post by magica on Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:45 am

No way should she come here. She has no regrets, even when she saw a head in a bin ffs. She wants the easy life now, benefits etc. No, she must never be allowed here. She chose to go, so let her rot there. She's evil.
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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:51 am

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:07 pm

The woman was a British citizen, so the UK is responsible for her incarceration. I'd say the same thing about an American-born jihadi. The countries that produce terrorists need to take responsibility for them.

Anybody who says her baby can't come to the UK is condemning an innocent child to a life being raised by terrorists. I'd like to know what better use of tax money there is than saving a child from a life like that ...

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Post by Syl on Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:42 pm

She chose to leave, she chose to marry an IS fighter, this is her third child, the other two died.  She has no regard for human life and God knows how she would act if she was allowed back into Britain.
Manchester is still reeling from the death and destruction from another youngster who chose his path early in life.

We dont want her back and it's time GB stopped being so soft on people who wish to harm our citizens.

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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:19 pm

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:51 pm

I don't give a fuck what she wants... she is a terrorist scum bag and it is up to the authorities in Syria to deal with her.



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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:46 pm

Is that place called Guatamalo still open ?
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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:50 pm

Ben, why don't you apply to Adopt ?
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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:37 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:The woman was a British citizen, so the UK is responsible for her incarceration. I'd say the same thing about an American-born jihadi. The countries that produce terrorists need to take responsibility for them.

Anybody who says her baby can't come to the UK is condemning an innocent child to a life being raised by terrorists. I'd like to know what better use of tax money there is than saving a child from a life like that ...

Actually Ben, I feel she should lose her British citizenship, same if she had gone to Venezuela or Burma.

Now, the baby derives citizenship from the parent, and since the parent is not British, the baby is not British. This is not a punitive measure, it is merely a matter of status. For many all over the world, if the parent is not British, the baby is not entitled to British citizenship.

If the child doesn't want to live with terrorists, s/he can choose to apply for citizenship in any other nation when of age.

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Post by The Puzzler on Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:55 pm

Thor wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'


One of three schoolgirls who left east London in 2015 to join the Islamic State group says she has no regrets, but wants to return to the UK.

In an interview with the Times, Shamima Begum, now 19, talked about seeing "beheaded heads" in bins - but said that it "did not faze her".

Speaking from a camp in Syria, she said she was nine months pregnant and wanted to come home for the sake of her baby.

She said she'd had two other babies who had both died.

She also described how one of her two school friends that had left the UK with her had died in a bombing. The fate of the third girl is unclear.

JUST,,,,,NO!


A new law is being introduced

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/12/jihadists-could-face-10-years-prison-return-uk-new-laws/

Convict and send her to prison

Have the baby taken into the care of other familiy members of placed into care

The child is innocent of the crimes of the mother
She should be prosecuted in Syria as thats where she committed her despicable war crimes.
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Post by The Puzzler on Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:58 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:The woman was a British citizen, so the UK is responsible for her incarceration. I'd say the same thing about an American-born jihadi. The countries that produce terrorists need to take responsibility for them.

Anybody who says her baby can't come to the UK is condemning an innocent child to a life being raised by terrorists. I'd like to know what better use of tax money there is than saving a child from a life like that ...
She brutalised god knows how many Syrian people, why then shouldn’t she face justice in a Syrian court? ‘We’ didn’t produce her, a Muslim state within a state in East London did.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:04 pm

She was born of Bangladeshi parents... so she is Bangladeshi...

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:40 pm

Stupidly, in my opinion, the UK never legislated for the automatic revocation of British citizenship of those who voluntarily leave the country either to fight for or actively support proscribed terrorist organisations.

That means, as I see it, that this woman can return to Britain, and far from being immediately arrested and detained pending criminal investigation will probably be taken to her local town hall and asked whether she would like a two or three bedroom house or apartment and issued with all the official documentation (probably in a dozen different languages) that she would need for taxpayer-funded healthcare and welfare benefits.

I understand that her family lawyers are already citing the predictable "opinion" of former Metropolitan Police chief Hogan-Howe that she should be treated as "a victim."

Utterly sickening.
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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:14 pm

The Puzzler wrote:
Thor wrote:


A new law is being introduced

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/12/jihadists-could-face-10-years-prison-return-uk-new-laws/

Convict and send her to prison

Have the baby taken into the care of other familiy members of placed into care

The child is innocent of the crimes of the mother
She should be prosecuted in Syria as thats where she committed her despicable war crimes.


If, she has committed any war crimes that is. If not then Syria can rightly deport her back to Britain.

Where I back the new law to convict those who did join

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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:15 pm

Again the child is innocent and no, being born in another country, does not grant you citizen status in that country

The baby is a British citizen and to be honest I find it quite sick and appalling that some her would simple condemn this baby based on the actions of the parents

Some of you should be utterly ashamed of yourselves

As by using guiilt by association, you also back the same methodology that the terrorists use to target each and everyone of us

The moment you place guilt on a baby, then you are no better than the terrorists themselves

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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:She was born of Bangladeshi parents... so she is Bangladeshi...


But a British citizen

I was born in the uk from foreign parents. Does that mean I should leave to you?


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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:24 pm

Original Quill wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:The woman was a British citizen, so the UK is responsible for her incarceration. I'd say the same thing about an American-born jihadi. The countries that produce terrorists need to take responsibility for them.

Anybody who says her baby can't come to the UK is condemning an innocent child to a life being raised by terrorists. I'd like to know what better use of tax money there is than saving a child from a life like that ...

Actually Ben, I feel she should lose her British citizenship, same if she had gone to Venezuela or Burma.  

Now, the baby derives citizenship from the parent, and since the parent is not British, the baby is not British.  This is not a punitive measure, it is merely a matter of status.  For many all over the world, if the parent is not British, the baby is not entitled to British citizenship.

If the child doesn't want to live with terrorists, s/he can choose to apply for citizenship in any other nation when of age.




I agree with your views Quill, but you are wrong on status

There are two ways that a child can automatically be a British citizen: by ‘descent’ and ‘otherwise than by descent’. If your child was born in the UK and at the time of their birth either of the parents were British citizens or settled in the UK (meaning that they had indefinite leave to enter or remain, permanent residence or were EEA citizens), your child was automatically born a British citizen otherwise than by descent and there is no need to apply for registration.

Similarly, if your child was not born in the UK but either parent was a British citizen before the child was born (i.e. they were born in the UK or have registered or naturalised as a British citizen), your child was automatically born a British citizen by descent.

https://www.gherson.com/blog/your-child-british-citizen



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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:40 pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/14/isil-schoolgirl-shamima-begum-now-wants-come-home-faces-prosecution/

Well it will not matter for the moment it seems, as the British governement is not going to rescue her.

When that child is born though, the Uk Governerment is going to no doubt find itself facing a law suit over the child

I am not concerned about the Mother,  she can either be convicted of war crimes by Syria and end up on the end of a rope or if she is deported to Britain, speend the rest of her life in jail.

My issue is in regards to the child soon to be born, which will by law be a British citizen

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Post by Thorin on Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:36 pm

nicko wrote:She made her bed, fucking lie in it [with her Baby ISIS]

Well this has astounded me, as how exactly did you view the babies and children, whilst in Vietnam?

Did you view their babies as (baby Viet Conq)?

I have defended you every single time from charges made by Quill, that you are a baby killer

Was i wrong to do so Nicko?

Did you view babies this way in Vietnam?

Because certainly a number of US soldiers did, view babies and children as the enemy and murdered them

I seriously hope you never did and may I remind you of that, where you did look to defend innocent women and children. In how you can now criminalise this child based off the ISIS mother. When you served to protect the innocent.

This baby is innocent of any crime

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Post by Vintage on Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:55 pm

Maybe the child could come to the UK to live with its grandparents, the mother can stay where she is, she seems to have liked living in Caliphate where prisoners of war were beheaded and women and children bought and sold and abused.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:08 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:She was born of Bangladeshi parents... so she is Bangladeshi...

She is a British citizen. The debate is over whether to revoke her British citizenship, something which could not be done if she didn't have British citizenship. Cut your bullshit.

She was radicalized in London; she is England's responsibility. If America produced a radicalized terrorist who carried out an attack on London, it wouldn't be very fair of us to tell the British to keep him or her, would it? You have jurisdiction over her, so it's up to you.

Do any of you trust Syrian officials to keep the world safe from terrorists? ISIS happened on their watch, after all!

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:14 pm



She should be charged with treason... which has a sentence of life imprisonment...!

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Post by Thorin on Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:17 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

She should be charged with treason... which has a sentence of life imprisonment...!

I dont think anyone disagrees with that

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:25 pm



But let her face the Syrian authorities first... and any charges they may wish to make on her...


And all this talk about "radicalisation" is nonsense... ISIS is Islam... pure undiluted islam... by the book!!!



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Post by nicko on Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:12 pm

Let the Grandparents look after the child,[with no Child allowance] !If they wish.
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

She should be charged with treason... which has a sentence of life imprisonment...!

We all hate her tommy.  If that is the only teaching here, the point has been made a hundred times.  Let's shut down the thread, then.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:31 pm

Let her husband's parents have the child.



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Post by nicko on Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:48 pm

Just found out there are over 600 children born to British Jihadi Brides still in Syrian camps, One in, the lot in ?
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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:51 pm



They are only wanting to leave Syria now that their last ISIS stronghold is being smashed...


They would be more than happy to stay there otherwise...



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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:47 pm

The baby has allegedly died. Neutral

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:55 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:The baby has allegedly died. Neutral

I have the deepest sympathy for her innocent child.

Other than that.............................
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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:28 pm

So if she'd gotten to come back to England, that baby might be alive and she might be in prison.

Then she'd have years in which she couldn't hurt anybody, and any other Briton who'd joined up with ISIS would see what happens if you try to come back.

Handled with very little wisdom if you ask me.

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