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Post by phildidge on Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:17 pm

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Oglala Lakota drummer John SwiftBird says he often sings traditional pow wow songs and the women were likely intoxicated

A video has surfaced on Facebook in which four women appear to be dancing in a mocking way at an Oglala Lakota street performer and traditional drummer John Swiftbird.

The video was posted to Facebook by Steve Wilkerson, a man who was visiting the Santa Fe area at the time of the incident. His posted video has received thousands of views and hundreds of comments. He also gave the video to the Santa Fe New Mexican, which posted the video to YouTube.

After initial interactions of the women -- who are wearing cowboy hats -- the man recording the video says "You should be embarrassed." The women begin to walk away and some cover their faces with their hats. He also asks the women for their names, which they do not give.

One of the women says "I'm gonna f---n kill you. Kill your mother."

The person filming asks if the women are racists, which they deny. He also films their license plate.

The plate and faces have been blocked by the Santa Fe New Mexican on the video that has been uploaded to their channel.

On the Santa Fe news channel KRQE, Swiftbird says he was singing traditional Lakota powwow songs when the women approached. "Some group of young women who were dressed in the same attire were kind of intoxicated jumping up and down to the songs I was singing, making mockery sounds."





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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:35 pm

Maddog wrote:"A video has surfaced on Facebook in which four women appear to be dancing in a mocking way at an Oglala Lakota street performer and traditional drummer John Swiftbird."

Not my link. I just read them.

What about the monkey noises?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:37 pm

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

He was also banging his drum.




Many songs have drums playing in songs

This is a song from 1981, which was never released as a single, but as part of the album "word of Mouth" and you think these young women have this album?

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Like i said, talk about scraping the barrel, they never even sang words to the song but made monkey noises at him

So your reasoning has to go down as one your dumbest and yet again excusing racist people

You then wonder why I draw a conclusiuon to your racism


What on earth are you talking about? It was just an example of how people associate drums with jungles. Have you gone completely mad?

Still, at least you know a bit more about Toni Basil's music now. It's a great track.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:37 pm

Thor wrote:
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I can't have a racial subconscious, if there are no races.

Now I'm pretty sure there are still sexes.

Are you sexist?

You can, when you told me, you are from the white race

This is what you told me and thus you believe there is racial groups

Which is what society does use today

So you have been brought up to view people differently racially

Hence a racial subconscious bias

Imagine if you had been brought up to view humans as once race?

Imagine these women had?

They might have not acted like the skanks that they were

And you said there weren't any.

Skank would imply they are slutty.

They could be virgins.

How long have you had these feelings of anger towards women?

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:38 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:"A video has surfaced on Facebook in which four women appear to be dancing in a mocking way at an Oglala Lakota street performer and traditional drummer John Swiftbird."

Not my link. I just read them.

What about the monkey noises?

Didn't sound like any monkeys I've ever spoken with.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:39 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

What about the monkey noises?

Didn't sound like any monkeys I've ever spoken with.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:39 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

You can, when you told me, you are from the white race

This is what you told me and thus you believe there is racial groups

Which is what society does use today

So you have been brought up to view people differently racially

Hence a racial subconscious bias

Imagine if you had been brought up to view humans as once race?

Imagine these women had?

They might have not acted like the skanks that they were

And you said there weren't any.

Skank would imply they are slutty.

They could be virgins.

How long have you had these feelings of anger towards women?

Maybe you shoule learn the english language

skankDictionary result for skank
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Does not matter that I have corrected your ignorance on biology mate, you have been rbrought up to believe different racial groups

Its why and how racism stil exists

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:40 pm

Perhaps it was a kookaburra.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:41 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

What about the monkey noises?

Didn't sound like any monkeys I've ever spoken with.

You can speak to monkeys now?

Impressive, how do you manage that?

I know some people have taught them to sign, but how does a monkey sound to you?

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:42 pm

Thor wrote:
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Didn't sound like any monkeys I've ever spoken with.

You can speak to monkeys now?

Impressive, how do you manage that?

I know some people have taught them to sign, but how does a monkey sound to you?

Kind of like a cross between Creek and Comanche.

I took it in my third year of Uni.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:44 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

You can speak to monkeys now?

Impressive, how do you manage that?

I know some people have taught them to sign, but how does a monkey sound to you?

Kind of like a cross between Creek and Comanche.

I took it in my third year of Uni.

Did you. Did you take this alongside the course of being a dumbass?

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:44 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

And you said there weren't any.

Skank would imply they are slutty.

They could be virgins.

How long have you had these feelings of anger towards women?

Maybe you shoule learn the english language

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Does not matter that I have corrected your ignorance on biology mate, you have been rbrought up to believe different racial groups

Its why and how racism stil exists

There are more definitions.

I know some skanky chicks. I know what it is. tongue

Thanks for correcting me mate!!

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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:45 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

Maybe you shoule learn the english language


Does not matter that I have corrected your ignorance on biology mate, you have been rbrought up to believe different racial groups

Its why and how racism stil exists

There are more definitions.

I know some skanky chicks. I know what it is. tongue

Thanks for correcting me mate!!

I gave you the defintion, as to them being unpleasant

No worries, here to help you

Laughing

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:45 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Kind of like a cross between Creek and Comanche.

I took it in my third year of Uni.

Did you. Did you take this alongside the course of being a dumbass?

That was 2nd year. It was that class we were in together, remember?

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:46 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

There are more definitions.

I know some skanky chicks. I know what it is. tongue

Thanks for correcting me mate!!

I gave you the defintion, as to them being unpleasant

No worries, here to help you

Laughing

Nah, you're here to help everyone. You're a giver. Don't sell yourself short.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:46 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

Did you. Did you take this alongside the course of being a dumbass?

That was 2nd year. It was that class we were in together, remember?

Failed the entry exam remember?

They said I had way to o much common sense

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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:48 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

I gave you the defintion, as to them being unpleasant

No worries, here to help you

Laughing

Nah, you're here to help everyone. You're a giver. Don't sell yourself short.  

I am here to help mate. I try my best, but sadly some people allow such negative hate to control their ability to think

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:50 pm

Thor wrote:
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Nah, you're here to help everyone. You're a giver. Don't sell yourself short.  

I am here to help mate. I try my best, but sadly some people allow such negative hate to control their ability to think

We all have our crosses to bare. Thanks God you're strong enough to shoulder your load.

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:52 pm

Oh do stop it boys. Rolling Eyes

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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:52 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

I am here to help mate. I try my best, but sadly some people allow such negative hate to control their ability to think

We all have our crosses to bare. Thanks God you're strong enough to shoulder your load.  

I dont look at them as burdens

Maybe that is where you are going wroing mate

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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:52 pm

eddie wrote:Oh do stop it boys. Rolling Eyes

We are busting each others balls Eddie

Its all cool, I like Maddog

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:53 pm

Thor wrote:
eddie wrote:Oh do stop it boys. Rolling Eyes

We are busting each others balls Eddie

Its all cool, I like Maddog

Laughing

I think you’re both frogturds.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:55 pm

eddie wrote:
Thor wrote:

We are busting each others balls Eddie

Its all cool, I like Maddog

Laughing

I think you’re both frogturds.

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Post by phildidge on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:56 pm

eddie wrote:
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We are busting each others balls Eddie

Its all cool, I like Maddog

Laughing

I think you’re both frogturds.

lol!

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:59 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:
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We are busting each others balls Eddie

Its all cool, I like Maddog

Laughing

I think you’re both frogturds.

I hope you're not mocking the French. Video shows tourists mocking Native drummer in Santa Fe - Page 6 1794926327

My paternal grandparents were French Corsican so I have a right to mock them. cheers

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Post by Jules on Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:06 am

Syl wrote:

He got his 5 minutes do you mean?
Stalking and harassing doesn't have to be of a sexual nature to be scary. And I dont see how the size or age of a female should come into the equation, big old women can be victims too.  Laughing

Watching the video all I see are 4 stupid women acting like fools....they quickly moved on when they realised the man was videoing them. It should have ended there.
But if he was so incensed, (apparently far more than the street musician was) he could have rung the police, taken their car number and reported them...far better to do that than follow them with his video camera, shouting after them and generally being a bigger pain in the arse than the stupid women .

You raise several points here. Let me try & address them one by one.



He got his 5 minutes do you mean? .
He got 15 minutes.  I mean here we are still discussing it.



Stalking and harassing doesn't have to be of a sexual nature to be scary.
Huge emphasis is being put on the fact that the poor 'victims' are of the female sex. The sexual issue looms large in these posts so i'm not going to ignore it.  


Watching the video all I see are 4 stupid women acting like fools....
All I see are ill-bred jackasses, shame on them.


It should have ended there..
would have should have, could have, might have  ......….if wishes were horses...…. Fact is the women should have walked on by & left the Native guy alone. One thing followed another.


But if he was so incensed,  
Maybe he was the Indian guy's son or a close relative. he has a right to be as incensed as he wants.


(apparently far more than the street musician was)
You have no proof that the Native guy was not as incensed as the cameraman. A frail old guy is not going to leap  off the floor &  yell at the girls. Maybe in his own quiet way he was just as incensed.



generally being a bigger pain in the arse than the stupid women .
I think the ill bred louts were a bigger pain.

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Post by Jules on Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:20 am

Bottom line: let's agree to disagree. The cameraman deliberately tried to bring things to a head so that the women would either confront him and explain their actions …..or cower in shame. They did the latter. QED.


I remain very disturbed at the AUTOMATIC way the women started mocking that guy. No hesitation. As if it was the most natural thing in the world. Like they do that sort of thing all the time - 2nd nature to them. Disturbing.

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Post by Syl on Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:43 pm

I dont think anyone is defending the women, they were (probably still are) idiots.
The man with the camera made his point the minute he started videoing them....he obviously made his point because they stopped and walked on immediately.
The reason I dont agree with what happened later was the way he followed them, shouting after them, videoing their faces, their car number plate, and generally bullying and harassing the women....in short, he acted far worse than they did.

Had he put his camera down and tried to talk to the women face to face he may have been able to resonate with them on an even playing field.

But then he wouldn't be the big, brave, self righteous hero on social media now would he. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Maddog on Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:56 pm

Jules wrote:Bottom line: let's agree to disagree. The cameraman deliberately tried to bring things to a head so that the women would either confront him and explain their actions …..or cower in shame. They did the latter. QED.


I remain very disturbed at the AUTOMATIC way the women started mocking that guy. No hesitation. As if it was the most natural thing in the world. Like they do that sort of thing all the time - 2nd nature to them. Disturbing.

You have no idea how long the women were there before the video started.

That's the problem with these vigilante videos. They don't tell the whole story.

Remember, this is a street performer, not a religious event.

Do people always show respect to the preachers delivering their message on the street corner?

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:09 pm

Jules wrote:
Syl wrote:

He got his 5 minutes do you mean?
Stalking and harassing doesn't have to be of a sexual nature to be scary. And I dont see how the size or age of a female should come into the equation, big old women can be victims too.  Laughing

Watching the video all I see are 4 stupid women acting like fools....they quickly moved on when they realised the man was videoing them. It should have ended there.
But if he was so incensed, (apparently far more than the street musician was) he could have rung the police, taken their car number and reported them...far better to do that than follow them with his video camera, shouting after them and generally being a bigger pain in the arse than the stupid women .

You raise several points here. Let me try & address them one by one.



He got his 5 minutes do you mean? .
He got 15 minutes.  I mean here we are still discussing it.



Stalking and harassing doesn't have to be of a sexual nature to be scary.
Huge emphasis is being put on the fact that the poor 'victims' are of the female sex. The sexual issue looms large in these posts so i'm not going to ignore it.  


Watching the video all I see are 4 stupid women acting like fools....
All I see are ill-bred jackasses, shame on them.


It should have ended there..
would have should have, could have, might have  ......….if wishes were horses...…. Fact is the women should have walked on by & left the Native guy alone. One thing followed another.


But if he was so incensed,  
Maybe he was the Indian guy's son or a close relative. he has a right to be as incensed as he wants.


(apparently far more than the street musician was)
You have no proof that the Native guy was not as incensed as the cameraman. A frail old guy is not going to leap  off the floor &  yell at the girls. Maybe in his own quiet way he was just as incensed.

generally being a bigger pain in the arse than the stupid women .
I think the ill bred louts were a bigger pain.

Brilliant. alien Pretty good summary of it all.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:15 pm

What a Face

Trust a couple of dried up old harridans from the ultra-sexist NF Hens Club and Racists Shitpit Collective to drag this thread out, jumpingmto the defence of those four racist southernor louts...

True to form, as always

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Post by Maddog on Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:16 pm

Syl wrote:I dont think anyone is defending the women, they were (probably still are) idiots.
The man with the camera made his point the minute he started videoing them....he obviously made his point because they stopped and walked on immediately.
The reason I dont agree with what happened later was the way he followed them, shouting after them, videoing their faces, their car number plate, and generally bullying and harassing the women....in short, he acted far worse than they did.

Had he put his camera down and tried to talk to the women face to face he may have been able to resonate with them on an even playing field.

But then he wouldn't be the big, brave, self righteous hero on social media now would he. Rolling Eyes

He's my hero.

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:What a Face

Trust a couple of dried up old harridans from the ultra-sexist NF Hens Club and Racists Shitpit Collective to drag this thread out, jumpingmto the defence of those four racist southernor louts...

True to form, as always

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Jules wrote:Bottom line: let's agree to disagree. The cameraman deliberately tried to bring things to a head so that the women would either confront him and explain their actions …..or cower in shame. They did the latter. QED.


I remain very disturbed at the AUTOMATIC way the women started mocking that guy. No hesitation. As if it was the most natural thing in the world. Like they do that sort of thing all the time - 2nd nature to them. Disturbing.

That's the utter crassness that you see all the time with people from the south. When they talk among themselves, it's niggah-this and nigga-that--women as well as men--and you are absolutely appalled. Then, when you reason forward and realize they carry these attitudes into action, you see directly where ugly-Americanism comes from. They are so oblivious to their own ugliness that they are shamelessly open and public about it.

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:What a Face

Trust a couple of dried up old harridans from the ultra-sexist NF Hens Club and Racists Shitpit Collective to drag this thread out, jumpingmto the defence of those four racist southernor louts...

True to form, as always

Simmer down you cantankerous old fuck.  

Look whose talking. Rolling Eyes

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Jules wrote:Bottom line: let's agree to disagree. The cameraman deliberately tried to bring things to a head so that the women would either confront him and explain their actions …..or cower in shame. They did the latter. QED.


I remain very disturbed at the AUTOMATIC way the women started mocking that guy. No hesitation. As if it was the most natural thing in the world. Like they do that sort of thing all the time - 2nd nature to them. Disturbing.

That's the utter crassness that you see all the time with people from the south.  When they talk among themselves, it's niggah-this and nigga-that--women as well as men--and you are absolutely appalled.  Then, when you reason forward and realize they carry these attitudes into action, you see directly where ugly-Americanism comes from.  They are so oblivious to their own ugliness that they are shamelessly open and public about it.

Lots of folks use that word all over the country.

Just don't end it with "er".

Except you're too old to use that word unless you use it while singing karaoke.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:23 pm

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Simmer down you cantankerous old fuck.  

Look whose talking.  Rolling Eyes

Me.

And I'm far from a cantankerous old fuck.

I'm sorta an old fuck I guess.

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Syl wrote:I dont think anyone is defending the women, they were (probably still are) idiots.
The man with the camera made his point the minute he started videoing them....he obviously made his point because they stopped and walked on immediately.
The reason I dont agree with what happened later was the way he followed them, shouting after them, videoing their faces, their car number plate, and generally bullying and harassing the women....in short, he acted far worse than they did.

Had he put his camera down and tried to talk to the women face to face he may have been able to resonate with them on an even playing field.

But then he wouldn't be the big, brave, self righteous hero on social media now would he. Rolling Eyes

The problem with your perspective is, the young man has the moral high ground. Nothing he did constitutes an offense in itself--he was simply highlighting how publicly rude the Georgians were being--and so he never lost that moral high ground.

I don't buy that because they are females, they are delicate flowers. In this clip they acted more like weeds.

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That's the utter crassness that you see all the time with people from the south.  When they talk among themselves, it's niggah-this and nigga-that--women as well as men--and you are absolutely appalled.  Then, when you reason forward and realize they carry these attitudes into action, you see directly where ugly-Americanism comes from.  They are so oblivious to their own ugliness that they are shamelessly open and public about it.

Lots of folks use that word all over the country.

Just don't end it with "er".

Except you're too old to use that word unless you use it while singing karaoke.

No my friend, they don't use that word. When I was a kid in the northeast, I would have been slapped silly if I used that word.

Only in the south is that kind of talk--and attitude--taken for granted.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:40 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Lots of folks use that word all over the country.

Just don't end it with "er".

Except you're too old to use that word unless you use it while singing karaoke.

No my friend, they don't use that word.  When I was a kid in the northeast, I would have been slapped silly if I used that word.

Only in the south is that kind of talk--and attitude--taken for granted.

Per as usual, you're out of touch.

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Lots of folks use that word all over the country.

Just don't end it with "er".

Except you're too old to use that word unless you use it while singing karaoke.

No my friend, they don't use that word.  When I was a kid in the northeast, I would have been slapped silly if I used that word.

Only in the south is that kind of talk--and attitude--taken for granted.



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Post by Syl on Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:32 pm

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:What a Face

Trust a couple of dried up old harridans from the ultra-sexist NF Hens Club and Racists Shitpit Collective to drag this thread out, jumpingmto the defence of those four racist southernor louts...

True to form, as always

Simmer down you cantankerous old fuck.  

lol!

It's only wetwipe venting his spleen in his usual way.

True to form, as always.

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Post by Syl on Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:45 pm

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Syl wrote:I dont think anyone is defending the women, they were (probably still are) idiots.
The man with the camera made his point the minute he started videoing them....he obviously made his point because they stopped and walked on immediately.
The reason I dont agree with what happened later was the way he followed them, shouting after them, videoing their faces, their car number plate, and generally bullying and harassing the women....in short, he acted far worse than they did.

Had he put his camera down and tried to talk to the women face to face he may have been able to resonate with them on an even playing field.

But then he wouldn't be the big, brave, self righteous hero on social media now would he. Rolling Eyes

The problem with your perspective is, the young man has the moral high ground.  Nothing he did constitutes an offense in itself--he was simply highlighting how publicly rude the Georgians were being--and so he never lost that moral high ground.

I don't buy that because they are females, they are delicate flowers.  In this clip they acted more like weeds.

Did the women do anything that would constitute an offence in law?
They sang and danced badly, made a racket and showed themselves up.....I dont know what the intention was behind that, do you?
When asked if they were racist they denied it....so really it's just an opinion as to why they acted like they did.

He may have had the moral high ground from the start, he was right to challenge them, they could have been intimidating to Mr Swiftbird, but I have seen people round Manchester joining in street buskers, often badly, and no one has made such a song and dance about it.

Where he (hero of the hour) overstepped the mark was he seemed to turn into some sort of vigilante, stalking and harassing the women, and I dont think their appearance (delicate flower or sumo wrestler lookalike) is the issue...his actions are.

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Syl wrote:Did the women do anything that would constitute an offence in law?

No, and it's not a legal question.  I've made that clear, so it should not be an issue.

Syl wrote:They sang and danced badly, made a racket and showed themselves up.....I dont know what the intention was behind that, do you?

You are not an American.  Over here we know very what it was about.  These are the people who draw circles around themselves, and disdain all others...particularly if they are dark-skinned.

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Syl wrote:...but I have seen people round Manchester joining in street buskers, often badly, and no one has made such a song and dance about it.

Insult and ridicule is easy to detect, even if it's only body movements.

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Post by Syl on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:20 pm

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Syl wrote:Did the women do anything that would constitute an offence in law?

No, and it's not a legal question.  I've made that clear, so it should not be an issue.

Syl wrote:They sang and danced badly, made a racket and showed themselves up.....I dont know what the intention was behind that, do you?

You are not an American.  Over here we know very what it was about.  These are the people who draw circles around themselves, and disdain all others...particularly if they are dark-skinned.

I was responding to your remark that the man did nothing which constituted an offence....neither did the women.

I do get your second remark though....you are right, I am not American and I dont see the sort of racist intention you obviously do, so when I see something like the video shown, I can only use my own experiences in offering an opinion.

I'm not saying we dont have racists here, we obviously do, but generally people of every colour. faith, culture are accepted and included...IF they want to be, and that's the sort of society I like to live in.

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Post by Jules on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:27 pm

I didn't know that much about Native Indians, just the basics. Two people on forums raised my awareness and got me very interested in their history and all the historical battles they fought. Smile Those two people were actually conservative RW types, ironically enough. Namely Winston and Magica. They both did good threads and essays about the Indians and all the injustices they suffered. My thanks to both of them, for raising my awareness.  cheers 



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Syl wrote:Where he (hero of the hour) overstepped the mark was he seemed to turn into some sort of vigilante, stalking and harassing the women, and I dont think their appearance (delicate flower or sumo wrestler lookalike) is the issue...his actions are.

I think the Georgians lost their innocence about the time they started their boorish behavior. Your attempt to refocus the blame simply doesn't work.

The young man was responding with reason and never lost his point...he shamed the skanks as they slithered away.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:30 pm

Jules wrote:
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He got his 5 minutes do you mean?
Stalking and harassing doesn't have to be of a sexual nature to be scary. And I dont see how the size or age of a female should come into the equation, big old women can be victims too.  Laughing

Watching the video all I see are 4 stupid women acting like fools....they quickly moved on when they realised the man was videoing them. It should have ended there.
But if he was so incensed, (apparently far more than the street musician was) he could have rung the police, taken their car number and reported them...far better to do that than follow them with his video camera, shouting after them and generally being a bigger pain in the arse than the stupid women .

You raise several points here. Let me try & address them one by one.



He got his 5 minutes do you mean? .
He got 15 minutes.  I mean here we are still discussing it.



Stalking and harassing doesn't have to be of a sexual nature to be scary.
Huge emphasis is being put on the fact that the poor 'victims' are of the female sex. The sexual issue looms large in these posts so i'm not going to ignore it.  


Watching the video all I see are 4 stupid women acting like fools....
All I see are ill-bred jackasses, shame on them.


It should have ended there..
would have should have, could have, might have  ......….if wishes were horses...…. Fact is the women should have walked on by & left the Native guy alone. One thing followed another.


But if he was so incensed,  
Maybe he was the Indian guy's son or a close relative. he has a right to be as incensed as he wants.


(apparently far more than the street musician was)
You have no proof that the Native guy was not as incensed as the cameraman. A frail old guy is not going to leap  off the floor &  yell at the girls. Maybe in his own quiet way he was just as incensed.



generally being a bigger pain in the arse than the stupid women .
I think the ill bred louts were a bigger pain.

Why are you assuming that John Swiftbird is a "frail old guy"?

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Post by Syl on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:38 pm

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Syl wrote:Where he (hero of the hour) overstepped the mark was he seemed to turn into some sort of vigilante, stalking and harassing the women, and I dont think their appearance (delicate flower or sumo wrestler lookalike) is the issue...his actions are.

I think the Georgians lost their innocence about the time they started their boorish behavior.  Your attempt to refocus the blame simply doesn't work.

The young man was responding with reason and never lost his point...he shamed the skanks as they slithered away.

I am not refocusing the blame, I am commenting fairly on what I see. They were stupid he was stalking and harassing. Video shows tourists mocking Native drummer in Santa Fe - Page 6 2190311264
Another big difference between you and I is I dont start off with an ingrained opinion of who is racist and who isn't, seems you discriminate from the start.

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