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Post by phildidge on Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:17 pm

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Oglala Lakota drummer John SwiftBird says he often sings traditional pow wow songs and the women were likely intoxicated

A video has surfaced on Facebook in which four women appear to be dancing in a mocking way at an Oglala Lakota street performer and traditional drummer John Swiftbird.

The video was posted to Facebook by Steve Wilkerson, a man who was visiting the Santa Fe area at the time of the incident. His posted video has received thousands of views and hundreds of comments. He also gave the video to the Santa Fe New Mexican, which posted the video to YouTube.

After initial interactions of the women -- who are wearing cowboy hats -- the man recording the video says "You should be embarrassed." The women begin to walk away and some cover their faces with their hats. He also asks the women for their names, which they do not give.

One of the women says "I'm gonna f---n kill you. Kill your mother."

The person filming asks if the women are racists, which they deny. He also films their license plate.

The plate and faces have been blocked by the Santa Fe New Mexican on the video that has been uploaded to their channel.

On the Santa Fe news channel KRQE, Swiftbird says he was singing traditional Lakota powwow songs when the women approached. "Some group of young women who were dressed in the same attire were kind of intoxicated jumping up and down to the songs I was singing, making mockery sounds."





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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:51 pm

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The others don't think logically either then. The two others who have commented are a bit prone to histrionics anyway.

Well what are people to think, that throughout this thread. You have not only made excuses for 4 racist women. You have failed to condemn them and  are more angry at the man catching them in the act.

Seemns crystal clear to me and others

It doesn't matter what they think. The fact that you support a man who abused and stalked four women means your opinion isn't very important.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:55 pm

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Well what are people to think, that throughout this thread. You have not only made excuses for 4 racist women. You have failed to condemn them and  are more angry at the man catching them in the act.

Seemns crystal clear to me and others

It doesn't matter what they think. The fact that you support a man who abused and stalked four women means your opinion isn't very important.

I actually condemned him for following them

He never stalked them or absued them, where in fact they made a threat towards him

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:05 pm

Thor wrote:
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It doesn't matter what they think. The fact that you support a man who abused and stalked four women means your opinion isn't very important.

I actually condemned him for following them

He never stalked them or absued them, where in fact they made a threat towards him

He did abuse them, and I didn't hear a threat from them.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:07 pm

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You are not free to stalk.

Could he have followed them in his car?

How about to their hotel?

He had every right to film them acting like fools. As soon as they stopped he should have left them alone.  They had committed no crime so there was no need to follow them.

You are free to gain evidence to a perceived crime

He followed to the car and to video of the number plate

That is not stalking

The intent is clear cut, it was to video the suspects and their licence plate

What crime?

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:08 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

You are free to gain evidence to a perceived crime

He followed to the car and to video of the number plate

That is not stalking

The intent is clear cut, it was to video the suspects and their licence plate

What crime?

Hate crime, suspected drink driving, threat to his life and his mother.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:09 pm

Here's another thing. This "hero" would have never followed me like that, let alone 4 grown men.

Women are far less of a threat to this "hero".

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:10 pm

Maddog wrote:Here's another thing. This "hero" would have never followed me like that, let alone 4 grown men.

Women are far less of a threat to this "hero".

It really makes me laugh how the women are not seen as wrong, but the person catching them is

To claim he would not confront men, is simple subjective to say the least

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:11 pm

Thor wrote:
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What crime?

Hate crime, suspected drink driving, threat to his life and his mother.

That's not a hate crime. He never saw them drink, and anything they said to him was in retaliation for his stalking them.

Thor, it's not cool to follow women like that. It's a dick move.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:12 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:Here's another thing. This "hero" would have never followed me like that, let alone 4 grown men.

Women are far less of a threat to this "hero".

It really makes me laugh how the women are not seen as wrong, but the person catching them is

To claim he would not confront men, is simple subjective to say the least

They were wrong. They left and that should have been the end of it.


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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:13 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

Hate crime, suspected drink driving, threat to his life and his mother.

That's not a hate crime. He never saw them drink, and anything they said to him was in retaliation for his stalking them.

Thor, it's not cool to follow women like that. It's a dick move.

It could be perceived as a hate crime, the point you miss

He could also suspect them of drinking by how they acted and did see them drive off

So now threats to life are okay, when someone questions people acting hateful?

You think that is okay and not a crime?

I agree he should not have followed them. In fact after the threat to kill him and had a gun, he could have placed himself in harms way

The point is though its in no way stalking

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:14 pm

How far would he have followed them shouting and harassing them if they had not driven away? What's wrong with the man?

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:14 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

It really makes me laugh how the women are not seen as wrong, but the person catching them is

To claim he would not confront men, is simple subjective to say the least

They were wrong. They left and that should have been the end of it.


So you dont think that its good to expose people when they act this way?

You are saying they should bare no responsibilities for their actions?

So why should that be the end of it?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:15 pm

I didn't hear a threat.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:16 pm

Is it against the law to move about in front of a busker?

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I didn't hear a threat.

At 45 seconds you distinctly hear one of them say

"I'm gonna f---n kill you. Kill your mother."

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:17 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

They were wrong. They left and that should have been the end of it.


So you dont think that its good to expose people when they act this way?

You are saying they should bare no responsibilities for their actions?

So why should that be the end of it?

Film them acting like fools.

When they walk away, leave them be.

It's really that simple. Don't stalk women. It's a dick move.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:18 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

So you dont think that its good to expose people when they act this way?

You are saying they should bare no responsibilities for their actions?

So why should that be the end of it?

Film them acting like fools.

When they walk away, leave them be.

It's really that simple. Don't stalk women. It's a dick move.  

He never stalked them, its a free public place to move in what every direction he wanted to

I already said he should not have followed them

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:18 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Is it against the law to move about in front of a busker?

If so, half the people in New Orleans would get arrested.


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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:19 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

They were wrong. They left and that should have been the end of it.


So you dont think that its good to expose people when they act this way?

You are saying they should bare no responsibilities for their actions?

So why should that be the end of it?

Film them acting like fools.

When they walk away, leave them be.

It's really that simple. Don't stalk women. It's a dick move.  

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:19 pm

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I didn't hear a threat.

At 45 seconds you distinctly hear one of them say

"I'm gonna f---n kill you. Kill your mother."

I can't hear that. I can hear him banging on though.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:20 pm

Maddog wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Is it against the law to move about in front of a busker?

If so, half the people in New Orleans would get arrested.


But this was clearly racially motivated and my view is it now doubt stems from a vuew the women had based on the Covington Boy schools incident

That is what nobody has thought about here. They took this as a view to mock the native Indian


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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:20 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Film them acting like fools.

When they walk away, leave them be.

It's really that simple. Don't stalk women. It's a dick move.  

He never stalked them, its a free public place to move in what every direction he wanted to

I already said he should not have followed them

But he did, which is a dick move for a man.

And we agree.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:20 pm

Since this story came out, I've had no idea what to make of it. So many people from different political beliefs have such different takes on it; plus we can't be sure that the video tells the whole story.

I did see one columnist who said the event was the perfect wedge issue, which does seem to be true. Reasonably intelligent people looking at the same video and seeing such different things.
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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:20 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:

At 45 seconds you distinctly hear one of them say

"I'm gonna f---n kill you. Kill your mother."

I can't hear that. I can hear him banging on though.

I suggest you turn it up then.

Its crystal clear they said this

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:22 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

If so, half the people in New Orleans would get arrested.


But this was clearly racially motivated and my view is it now doubt stems from a vuew the women  had based on the Covington Boy schools incident

That is what nobody has thought about here. They took this as a view to mock the native Indian


It is perfectly legal in this country to mock anyone for any reason.

You should see St Patrick's day over here. The whole fucking holiday is a mocking of the Irish.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:22 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

He never stalked them, its a free public place to move in what every direction he wanted to

I already said he should not have followed them

But he did, which is a dick move for a man.

And we agree.

Of course we agree he should not have followed mate


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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:23 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

If so, half the people in New Orleans would get arrested.


But this was clearly racially motivated and my view is it now doubt stems from a vuew the women  had based on the Covington Boy schools incident

That is what nobody has thought about here. They took this as a view to mock the native Indian


It is perfectly legal in this country to mock anyone for any reason.

You should see St Patrick's day over here. The whole fucking holiday is a mocking of the Irish.

I disagree, I've been to many a St. Paddy's Day event and never once seen someone mocking the Irish.
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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:24 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

But this was clearly racially motivated and my view is it now doubt stems from a vuew the women  had based on the Covington Boy schools incident

That is what nobody has thought about here. They took this as a view to mock the native Indian


It is perfectly legal in this country to mock anyone for any reason.

You should see St Patrick's day over here. The whole fucking holiday is a mocking of the Irish.

Maybe that is what is wrong with the US, when that mocking is based on hate

Taking the piss in a light humoured way I am all for

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:25 pm

I just watched the video. The women were stupid and disrespectful, the man videoed them.. they walked off. He had no need to make a huge drama out of it by following them, shouting after them, and videoing them and their vehicle.
He went too far. I imagine if the police had gotten involved it would be him who would get a warning.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:25 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

But this was clearly racially motivated and my view is it now doubt stems from a vuew the women  had based on the Covington Boy schools incident

That is what nobody has thought about here. They took this as a view to mock the native Indian


It is perfectly legal in this country to mock anyone for any reason.

You should see St Patrick's day over here. The whole fucking holiday is a mocking of the Irish.

Maybe that is what is wrong with the US, when that mocking is based on hate

Taking the piss in a light humoured way I am all for

Agree. My best mate is Irish and we always take the piss out of each other. We laugh our heads off.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:26 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

If so, half the people in New Orleans would get arrested.


But this was clearly racially motivated and my view is it now doubt stems from a vuew the women  had based on the Covington Boy schools incident

That is what nobody has thought about here. They took this as a view to mock the native Indian


Maybe the idiot guy decided to make a song and dance about nothing because of the Washington incident. It seems very newsworthy for some bizarre reason.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:27 pm

Thor wrote:
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I can't hear that. I can hear him banging on though.

I suggest you turn it up then.

Its crystal clear they said this

I had it at full volume. The idiot guy nearly deafened me! I can hear the word "mother" I think, but I can't hear what else was said by one of the women.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:28 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:

But this was clearly racially motivated and my view is it now doubt stems from a vuew the women  had based on the Covington Boy schools incident

That is what nobody has thought about here. They took this as a view to mock the native Indian


Maybe the idiot guy decided to make a song and dance about nothing because of the Washington incident. It seems very newsworthy for some bizarre reason.

Its possible he did or that he saw 4 women clearly mocking a native indian

Its not even on main news

Its a native Indian media source and one local paper

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:28 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

It is perfectly legal in this country to mock anyone for any reason.

You should see St Patrick's day over here. The whole fucking holiday is a mocking of the Irish.

Maybe that is what is wrong with the US, when that mocking is based on hate

Taking the piss in a light humoured way I am all for

You mock Muslims enough.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:29 pm

Syl wrote:I just watched the video. The women were stupid and disrespectful, the man videoed them.. they walked off. He had no need to make a huge drama out of it by following them, shouting after them, and  videoing them and their vehicle.
He went too far. I imagine if the police had gotten involved it would be him who would get a warning.

Exactly. And there comes a point, where he can be perceived as a threat, and they would legally be allowed to use force to make him stop.

They did not threaten the street performer.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:29 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:

I suggest you turn it up then.

Its crystal clear they said this

I had it at full volume. The idiot guy nearly deafened me! I can hear the word "mother" I think, but I can't hear what else was said by one of the women.

Its very clear that she threatened to kill him

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:29 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

It is perfectly legal in this country to mock anyone for any reason.

You should see St Patrick's day over here. The whole fucking holiday is a mocking of the Irish.

Maybe that is what is wrong with the US, when that mocking is based on hate

Taking the piss in a light humoured way I am all for

You mock Muslims enough.

No he doesn’t? scratch

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:30 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

It is perfectly legal in this country to mock anyone for any reason.

You should see St Patrick's day over here. The whole fucking holiday is a mocking of the Irish.

Maybe that is what is wrong with the US, when that mocking is based on hate

Taking the piss in a light humoured way I am all for

They were dancing. I say it was light humored. You say it wasn't. Now what?

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:30 pm

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Syl wrote:I just watched the video. The women were stupid and disrespectful, the man videoed them.. they walked off. He had no need to make a huge drama out of it by following them, shouting after them, and  videoing them and their vehicle.
He went too far. I imagine if the police had gotten involved it would be him who would get a warning.

Exactly. And there comes a point, where he can be perceived as a threat, and they would legally be allowed to use force to make him stop.

They did not threaten the street performer.  

They threatened to kill him and his mother.

The Police would never issue a warning to him over this

You see things like this all the time where people film and follow

That little twerp Owen Jones has it happened to him countless times of late

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:31 pm

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You mock Muslims enough.

No he doesn’t? scratch

Yes he does. He thinks it's fine to mock them, their beliefs, and their prophet. He's often said so.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:31 pm

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Maybe that is what is wrong with the US, when that mocking is based on hate

Taking the piss in a light humoured way I am all for

They were dancing. I say it was light humored. You say it wasn't. Now what?  

They were making mocking sounds, that is not light humour

So now we are at an impasse

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:32 pm

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Exactly. And there comes a point, where he can be perceived as a threat, and they would legally be allowed to use force to make him stop.

They did not threaten the street performer.  

They threatened to kill him and his mother.

The Police would never issue a warning to him over this

You see things like this all the time where people film and follow

That little twerp Owen Jones has it happened to him countless times of late

They were afraid of him. That's how women react to stalkers.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:32 pm

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I had it at full volume. The idiot guy nearly deafened me! I can hear the word "mother" I think, but I can't hear what else was said by one of the women.

Its very clear that she threatened to kill him

No, it's not. I think you read that rather than heard it.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:32 pm

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They were dancing. I say it was light humored. You say it wasn't. Now what?  

They were making mocking sounds, that is not light humour

So now we are at an impasse

Well, you have a shitty sense of humor I guess.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:33 pm

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You mock Muslims enough.

No he doesn’t? scratch

Exactly

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Post by phildidge on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:33 pm

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They were making mocking sounds, that is not light humour

So now we are at an impasse

Well, you have a shitty sense of humor I guess.

Well maybe you can help out, in how the mocking ooo sounds were funny?

Maybe you have a sick sense of humour

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:34 pm

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It is perfectly legal in this country to mock anyone for any reason.

You should see St Patrick's day over here. The whole fucking holiday is a mocking of the Irish.

I disagree, I've  been to many a St. Paddy's Day event and never once seen someone mocking the Irish.

They are dressing up like Irish people, painting themselves green and getting drunk as hell.

However, if that was done to Native Americans, all hell would break loose and you know it.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:34 pm

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You mock Muslims enough.

No he doesn’t? scratch

Yes he does. He thinks it's fine to mock them, their beliefs, and their prophet. He's often said so.

He disagrees with their views and brainwashing etc. He doesn’t “mock” them though.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:35 pm

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Well, you have a shitty sense of humor I guess.

Well maybe you can help out, in how the mocking ooo sounds were funny?

Maybe you have a sick sense of humour

That's the thing about humor. It's subjective.


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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:35 pm

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Maddog wrote:

It is perfectly legal in this country to mock anyone for any reason.

You should see St Patrick's day over here. The whole fucking holiday is a mocking of the Irish.

I disagree, I've  been to many a St. Paddy's Day event and never once seen someone mocking the Irish.

They are dressing up like Irish people, painting themselves green and getting drunk as hell.

However, if that was done to Native Americans, all hell would break loose and you know it.

You have a point there actually...and sadly.

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