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Post by phildidge on Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:32 pm

Their top 2020 presidential hopefuls are embracing socialist-minded economic policy, from a Green New Deal to single-payer health insurance. It’s playing right into the president’s hands.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:49 pm

Everytime I think there is no way Trump can win again, the Dems prove they will make it competitive.   Wink

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:21 pm

Millennials, the largest voting group in America, already favor socialism over capitalism. Districts which Trump carried by a dozen points are now competitive, and the GOP just lost one of the most lopsided elections in the past 100 years.

Most Republicans don't support Trump's wall proposal. Most Americans blame Trump for the recent, longest government shutdown in American history - and rightly so, since he took credit for it before saying it was Democrats' fault.

If Trump doesn't magically turn into a good president, if he isn't further tarred by the Russia investigation and if he doesn't get primaried, I'd say he's in for a historic beat-down next year.

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Millennials, the largest voting group in America, already favor socialism  over capitalism. Districts which Trump carried by a dozen points are now competitive, and  the GOP just lost one of the most lopsided elections in the past 100 years.

Most Republicans don't support Trump's wall proposal. Most Americans blame Trump for the recent, longest government shutdown in American history - and rightly so, since he took credit for it before saying it was Democrats' fault.

If Trump doesn't magically turn into a good  president, if he isn't further tarred by the Russia investigation and if he doesn't get primaried, I'd say he's in for a historic beat-down next year.


I think he will get elected.

Not that I want him too, but the Democrats are placing faith in socialist idiots

It was embarresing today for the socialist democrats

This is what you are missing

The US is centered on capitalism in teaching, no matter that 90% of teachers are lefties

People know how the US became the worlds greatest economy and how this gave them the best chances in life

They also see how socialism is an abject disaster, in every single example given in history

The only examples that do well, have adopted capatialism

Go figure

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:05 pm

Thor wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Millennials, the largest voting group in America, already favor socialism  over capitalism. Districts which Trump carried by a dozen points are now competitive, and  the GOP just lost one of the most lopsided elections in the past 100 years.

Most Republicans don't support Trump's wall proposal. Most Americans blame Trump for the recent, longest government shutdown in American history - and rightly so, since he took credit for it before saying it was Democrats' fault.

If Trump doesn't magically turn into a good  president, if he isn't further tarred by the Russia investigation and if he doesn't get primaried, I'd say he's in for a historic beat-down next year.


I think he will get elected.

Not that I want him too, but the Democrats are placing faith in socialist idiots

It was embarresing today for the socialist democrats

This is what you are missing

The US is centered on capitalism in teaching, no matter that 90% of teachers are lefties

People know how the US became the worlds greatest economy and how this gave them the best chances in life

They also see how socialism is an abject disaster, in every single example given in history

The only examples that do well, have adopted capatialism

Go figure

Democratic socialists like Sanders and Cortez don't believe in or advocate state ownership of industry (with a few exceptions like health care sectors and some transportation sectors). Truth be told, most Americans, and this includes most Trump supporters, already believe that the uber wealthy wield too much power and that the little guy doesn't get enough help.

Now there are so many Trump voters who feel betrayed and who've been hurt by his policies. Too much of his support has already eroded, and you have to remember that he was thumped by Clinton in the popular vote in 2016 and that his party was roundly smacked down in the 2018 mid-terms just a few months ago.

He barely managed to win the first time and now he only has the support of about 3-4 out of 10 Americans. I don't think people who think he's got a good shot at re-"election" are looking at the issue very clearly.

Hell, I can't tell you how many English people I've spoken to over here who didn't realize that he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:09 pm

Look the biggest reason why socialism fails in its maxists forms is one simple reason

It fails to understand humans and why its the dumbest economic polocy going.

It always requires enforcement and not acceptance

Its always a view taken from an eltist bunch of privileged kids that think they can change the world through enforced ideas. They are no better than religious radicals. They never question whether their ideas could be wrong.

I am not saying the world is perfect of that capitalism is good

I am saying, everytime I have read the same argument that Ben makes

Millions more suffer and die.

That is what he fails to grasp and I know he does this from a position of good

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:10 pm

The Russo-Republicans are done for with the public. The world has seen in the November, 2018 election, what is to become of them. The Iraq War taught us that Republicans stand for rape, murder, kidnapping, torture, lies and concentration camps.

That got flushed, and we ended up with an organized crime family in charge, beholden to a higher lord or capo, the Russian Federation. Republicans have been able to maintain control by use of structural things like voting exclusion, gerrymandering, an unrepresentative Senate and the electoral college. Given the public mood, as manifested in the past election, the Republicans are, or should be finished.

Trump's popularity is down to 37% of the electorate. But, with the help of Russian hacking into voting machines, he may well be able to pull it off. It is indeed, a Rubicon moment.

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Post by phildidge on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:13 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Thor wrote:


I think he will get elected.

Not that I want him too, but the Democrats are placing faith in socialist idiots

It was embarresing today for the socialist democrats

This is what you are missing

The US is centered on capitalism in teaching, no matter that 90% of teachers are lefties

People know how the US became the worlds greatest economy and how this gave them the best chances in life

They also see how socialism is an abject disaster, in every single example given in history

The only examples that do well, have adopted capatialism

Go figure

Democratic socialists like Sanders and Cortez don't believe in or advocate state ownership of industry (with a few exceptions like health care sectors and some transportation sectors). Truth be told, most Americans, and this includes most Trump supporters, already believe that the uber wealthy wield too much power and that the little guy doesn't get enough help.

Now there are so many Trump voters  who feel betrayed and who've been hurt  by his policies. Too much of his support has already eroded, and you have to remember that he was thumped by Clinton in the popular vote in 2016 and that his party was roundly smacked down in the 2018 mid-terms just a few months ago.

He barely managed to win the first time and now he only has the support of about 3-4 out of 10 Americans. I don't think people who think he's got a good shot at re-"election" are looking at the issue very clearly.

Hell, I can't tell you how many English people I've spoken to over here who didn't realize that he lost the popular vote by 3 million.


How many Americans do not simple want tro go down a road that they know is economiocally a nightmare?

You seriously do not get it Ben?

Sanders and his socialist politis gain favour. No matter how socialist the education system is

You see what you fail to grasp. Is where communism and marxism, cam crashing down before. Capitalism, took over the rest of the communist states. As no matter how bad it is. Its far better than any dumb socialist economy

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:53 pm

Ben wrote:Democratic socialists like Sanders and Cortez don't believe in or advocate state ownership of industry (with a few exceptions like health care sectors and some transportation sectors). Truth be told, most Americans, and this includes most Trump supporters, already believe that the uber wealthy wield too much power and that the little guy doesn't get enough help.

You are right, this generation does not think of socialism as taboo, like the cold war generations.  I think you are correct...they believe in a layered form of democracy, where there is tolerated some interspersed socialism.

Actually, we've had socialism for years, as our military is a form of absolute socialism.  Likewise, police, fire, and many essential services.

There is no reason why we shouldn't have some form of socialized medicine, provided we get the pharmas under control like we had to do with defense contractors.  No reason to let all that money sit idle or go to waste, while we wait for our next useful war.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:22 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Thor wrote:


I think he will get elected.

Not that I want him too, but the Democrats are placing faith in socialist idiots

It was embarresing today for the socialist democrats

This is what you are missing

The US is centered on capitalism in teaching, no matter that 90% of teachers are lefties

People know how the US became the worlds greatest economy and how this gave them the best chances in life

They also see how socialism is an abject disaster, in every single example given in history

The only examples that do well, have adopted capatialism

Go figure

Democratic socialists like Sanders and Cortez don't believe in or advocate state ownership of industry (with a few exceptions like health care sectors and some transportation sectors). Truth be told, most Americans, and this includes most Trump supporters, already believe that the uber wealthy wield too much power and that the little guy doesn't get enough help.

Now there are so many Trump voters  who feel betrayed and who've been hurt  by his policies. Too much of his support has already eroded, and you have to remember that he was thumped by Clinton in the popular vote in 2016 and that his party was roundly smacked down in the 2018 mid-terms just a few months ago.

He barely managed to win the first time and now he only has the support of about 3-4 out of 10 Americans. I don't think people who think he's got a good shot at re-"election" are looking at the issue very clearly.

Hell, I can't tell you how many English people I've spoken to over here who didn't realize that he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.

Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.

Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.


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Post by Maddog on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:27 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Millennials, the largest voting group in America, already favor socialism  over capitalism. Districts which Trump carried by a dozen points are now competitive, and  the GOP just lost one of the most lopsided elections in the past 100 years.

Most Republicans don't support Trump's wall proposal. Most Americans blame Trump for the recent, longest government shutdown in American history - and rightly so, since he took credit for it before saying it was Democrats' fault.

If Trump doesn't magically turn into a good  president, if he isn't further tarred by the Russia investigation and if he doesn't get primaried, I'd say he's in for a historic beat-down next year.

Young people have always leaned left.

Then they grow up and have to deal with life.

I shouldn't say that. I never leaned left, nor have my daughters.

Let's juts say a lot of folks lean left at a young age. tongue

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:36 pm

Maddog wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Millennials, the largest voting group in America, already favor socialism  over capitalism. Districts which Trump carried by a dozen points are now competitive, and  the GOP just lost one of the most lopsided elections in the past 100 years.

Most Republicans don't support Trump's wall proposal. Most Americans blame Trump for the recent, longest government shutdown in American history - and rightly so, since he took credit for it before saying it was Democrats' fault.

If Trump doesn't magically turn into a good  president, if he isn't further tarred by the Russia investigation and if he doesn't get primaried, I'd say he's in for a historic beat-down next year.

Young people have always leaned left.

Then they grow up and have to deal with life.

I shouldn't say that. I never leaned left, nor have my daughters.

Let's juts say a lot of folks lean left at a young age. tongue

It's actually a myth that people start lefty when they're young and then "grow up" or whatever. Actually, what happens is that viewpoints that were left decades ago become mainstream and eventually are accepted by the right.

Look at how many conservatives fought issues like mixed-race marriage decades ago. Mixed-race marriage legality went from "insane left" to mainstream in just a few decades. And that's how society keeps moving leftward.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:41 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Young people have always leaned left.

Then they grow up and have to deal with life.

I shouldn't say that. I never leaned left, nor have my daughters.

Let's juts say a lot of folks lean left at a young age. tongue

It's actually a myth that people start lefty when they're  young and then "grow up" or whatever. Actually, what happens is that viewpoints that were left decades ago become mainstream and eventually are accepted by the right.

Look at how many conservatives fought issues like mixed-race marriage decades ago. Mixed-race marriage legality went from "insane left" to mainstream in just a few decades. And that's how society keeps moving leftward.

You mean it moved towards more freedom and less government.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:49 pm

It moves toward more humanity, and less peremptoriness.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:53 pm

Original Quill wrote:It moves toward more humanity, and less peremptoriness.

Less government does that.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:01 pm

Maddog wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Young people have always leaned left.

Then they grow up and have to deal with life.

I shouldn't say that. I never leaned left, nor have my daughters.

Let's juts say a lot of folks lean left at a young age. tongue

It's actually a myth that people start lefty when they're  young and then "grow up" or whatever. Actually, what happens is that viewpoints that were left decades ago become mainstream and eventually are accepted by the right.

Look at how many conservatives fought issues like mixed-race marriage decades ago. Mixed-race marriage legality went from "insane left" to mainstream in just a few decades. And that's how society keeps moving leftward.

You mean it moved towards more freedom and less government.

I agree with less government for the average citizen and more government for the people trying to become obscenely wealthy and willing to do anything to get there (exploiting/gouging people, destroying the environment, etc.).

"Less government" as an article of faith would create a power vacuum in which the voice of the people is nothing compared to the power of big business, organized religion, etc. Power abhors a vacuum. Democracy is the only effective way to fight dictatorship of the corporation or the church.

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Maddog wrote:

You mean it moved towards more freedom and less government.

I agree with less  government for the average citizen and more government for the people trying to become obscenely wealthy and willing to do anything to get there (exploiting/gouging people, destroying the environment, etc.).

"Less government" as an article of faith would create a power vacuum in which the voice of the people is nothing compared to the power of big business, organized religion, etc. Power abhors a vacuum. Democracy is the only effective way to fight dictatorship of the corporation or the church.

So unequal protection under the law?

How about just treating them all the same?

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:08 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:It moves toward more humanity, and less peremptoriness.

Less government does that.

Unfortunately, it doesn't. Less government leaves a wider field open for private forces to become what government does not. Take a look at organized crime as a model of society left to the worst human devices. What is Trump doing?

Less government simply transforms the authority from civil to private hands, and leaves oppression in tact. Government allows the infusion of morality, whereas private power only advances selfishness

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Maddog wrote:
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Maddog wrote:

You mean it moved towards more freedom and less government.

I agree with less  government for the average citizen and more government for the people trying to become obscenely wealthy and willing to do anything to get there (exploiting/gouging people, destroying the environment, etc.).

"Less government" as an article of faith would create a power vacuum in which the voice of the people is nothing compared to the power of big business, organized religion, etc. Power abhors a vacuum. Democracy is the only effective way to fight dictatorship of the corporation or the church.

So unequal protection under the law?

How about just treating them all the same?

No, the same laws would apply to everyone and protect everyone.

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Maddog wrote:

So unequal protection under the law?

How about just treating them all the same?

No, the same laws would apply to everyone and protect  everyone.

OK, I agree with that.

Of course I never judge people based on their wealth. I don't give a fuck.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:19 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Maddog wrote:

So unequal protection under the law?

How about just treating them all the same?

No, the same laws would apply to everyone and protect  everyone.

It depends upon what you mean by equality.  Distributive equality?  Or proportional equality?

Cut to the chase: all true equality is proportional equality.  There is no such thing as absolute, or distributive equality.

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No, the same laws would apply to everyone and protect  everyone.

It depends upon what you mean by equality.  Distributive equality?  Or proportional equality?

Cut to the chase: all true equality is proportional equality.  There is no such thing as absolute, or distributive equality.

There is equality in how I treat people. tongue

There is not equality in people's results.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:27 pm

Maddog wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Maddog wrote:

So unequal protection under the law?

How about just treating them all the same?

No, the same laws would apply to everyone and protect  everyone.

OK, I agree with that.

Of course I never judge people based on their wealth. I don't give a fuck.

That's where you and I differ, I don't have any respect for modern-day robber barons.


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Post by Maddog on Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:29 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Maddog wrote:

OK, I agree with that.

Of course I never judge people based on their wealth. I don't give a fuck.

That's where you and I differ, I don't have any respect for modern-day robber barons.


Well, envy isn't one of my vices.

I have plenty though! Cool

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It's not envy, it's wanting to protect regular people from greedy sociopaths.

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:It's not envy, it's wanting to protect regular people from greedy sociopaths.

They don't need it Mr Marx.


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Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:It moves toward more humanity, and less peremptoriness.

Less government does that.

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More bullshit from the economically illiterate corner...

"Less government" means :

Less protection for the common people;
Police and emergency services only for those who subscribe to them;
Healthcare and education only for those who can afford them;
The military only there to protect the rich mans property;

No control over monopolies;
No control over bad business practices;
No control over their financiers;
Products won't need to be 'fit for purpose';

No public health, sanitation or food quality regulations;
No workplace safety & conditions regulations;
No environmental protections;
No consumer protections;
No national parks..


Welcome to Maddog and Thor's laissez faire "free market" paradise.

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Thor wrote:Their top 2020 presidential hopefuls are embracing socialist-minded economic policy, from a Green New Deal to single-payer health insurance. It’s playing right into the president’s hands.

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/676542/democrats-are-boosting-trumps-re-election-prospects


Laughing

Once again, dumbfuck "Tim", the video wanker, proves that he doesn't have a clue..

Presents no real wofld evidence to back his Trumpster scaremongering, falsely claiming that the Democrats have embraced "socialism" policies..

Based solely on the notions of national healthcare, more 'social justice', and more environmental protections.

And then we see Thor and Maddog jumping on the idiots bandwagon, falsely suggesting that the Democrats are becoming some kind a "Marxist" oriented dictatorship..

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Democratic socialists like Sanders and Cortez don't believe in or advocate state ownership of industry (with a few exceptions like health care sectors and some transportation sectors). Truth be told, most Americans, and this includes most Trump supporters, already believe that the uber wealthy wield too much power and that the little guy doesn't get enough help.

Now there are so many Trump voters  who feel betrayed and who've been hurt  by his policies. Too much of his support has already eroded, and you have to remember that he was thumped by Clinton in the popular vote in 2016 and that his party was roundly smacked down in the 2018 mid-terms just a few months ago.

He barely managed to win the first time and now he only has the support of about 3-4 out of 10 Americans. I don't think people who think he's got a good shot at re-"election" are looking at the issue very clearly.

Hell, I can't tell you how many English people I've spoken to over here who didn't realize that he lost the popular vote by 3 million.


How many Americans do not simple want tro go down a road that they know is economiocally a nightmare?

You seriously do not get it Ben?

Sanders and his socialist politis gain favour. No matter how socialist the education system is

You see what you fail to grasp. Is where communism and marxism, cam crashing down before. Capitalism, took over the rest of the communist states. As no matter how bad it is. Its far better than any dumb socialist economy

Rolling Eyes

More silly attempts at historic revisionism from the economically illiterate 'peanut gallery'...

Ignoring the fact that why Russia and China fell into communist dictatorships in the first place, was simply down to them still being undemocratic feudal-style monarchies at the beginning of the 20th century..

And the central reasons that communism failed in Russia came down to a central party favouring their own elite over the great majority, while at the same time spending their way into virtual bankruptcy trying to compete militarily and politically with the USA.

Russia has stumbled from an undemocratic monarchy into undemocratic communism and onto partly-democratic nationalist oligarchy, and at every turn the majority still live with very little to show for it..

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Thor wrote:


How many Americans do not simple want tro go down a road that they know is economiocally a nightmare?

You seriously do not get it Ben?

Sanders and his socialist politis gain favour. No matter how socialist the education system is

You see what you fail to grasp. Is where communism and marxism, cam crashing down before. Capitalism, took over the rest of the communist states. As no matter how bad it is. Its far better than any dumb socialist economy

Rolling Eyes

More silly attempts at historic revisionism from the economically illiterate 'peanut gallery'...

Ignoring the fact that why Russia and China fell into communist dictatorships in the first place, was simply down to them still being undemocratic feudal-style monarchies at the beginning of the 20th century..

And the central reasons that communism failed in Russia came down to a central party favouring their own elite over the great majority,  while at the same time spending their way into virtual bankruptcy trying to compete militarily and politically with the USA.

Russia has stumbled from an undemocratic monarchy into undemocratic communism and onto partly-democratic nationalist oligarchy, and at every turn the majority still live with very little to show for it..


Well that is revisionist history plain and simple, to now blame and make excused for Communism in each country

That has to be the most idiotic excuse someone cane give

Its like saying that there is an excuse why Germany turned to Nazism

You see when people make excuses for when dictators force their beliefs onto society, when they were never once elected, as the Nazi's actually were.

Then its you making up revisionist history here. As in both cases the Marxists siezed power

I suggest you go back to school and actually learn some history and stop being an apologist for Communism

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Original Quill wrote:

It depends upon what you mean by equality.  Distributive equality?  Or proportional equality?

Cut to the chase: all true equality is proportional equality.  There is no such thing as absolute, or distributive equality.

There is equality in how I treat people. tongue

There is not equality in people's results.

Is it proportionate in regard to the way you find people? Or is it the same for you? The latter is insensitive and self-centered.

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:It's not envy, it's wanting to protect regular people from greedy sociopaths.

They don't need it Mr Marx.

Denial is a river in east Africa.

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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:Millennials, the largest voting group in America, already favor socialism  over capitalism. Districts which Trump carried by a dozen points are now competitive, and  the GOP just lost one of the most lopsided elections in the past 100 years.


Why do you think young people do and the later become conservative in thinking economically when their brains fully develope past 25?

I will tell you why more young people buy into the daft socialist idea

As they are being brainwashed at school, by an educational system, that is inherantly left wing and biased.

As seen, most of these kids will grow out of bad ideas taught and socialism  is one of those bad ideas that people grow out of.

Thanks for pointing out though what is needed though in the US today. To correct the brainwashing educational system in practice by the left

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Didge wrote:Why do you think young people do and the later become conservative in thinking when their brains fully develope past 25?

They don't.  One of the most popular programs in the US is Social Security.  It was introduced in the 1930's.  Try fooling around with social security and you take your life in your hands.  People have grown to love it.

Yet it is socialism, pure and simple.  It's socialism for people beyond aged 65, giving the lie to the myth that people beyond aged 25 become conservative and oppose socialism.

The same thing has happened to the Medicare for people aged 65 and older.  And, for that matter, the Affordable Care Act.  They are immensely popular, all giving the lie to the claim that people over 25 don't like socialist programs.

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Didge wrote:Why do you think young people do and the later become conservative in thinking when their brains fully develope past 25?

They don't.  

Yes they do become more conservative

Its a known fact

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They don't.  

Yes they do become more conservative

Its a known fact

I've just proved they don't. Are you stupid, or just don't read?

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Thor wrote:

Yes they do become more conservative

Its a known fact

I've just proved they don't.  Are you stupid, or just don't read?


You never proved anything other than your own abilty to be closeminded to facts

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Thor wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

They don't.  


Yes they do become more conservative

Its a known fact

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Total bullshit, Dodge...

Zero "known fact" in your baseless claim..

All you're doing is repeating another urban legend, based on a quote made by Princess Margaret a good half-century ago !

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thor wrote:

Yes they do become more conservative

Its a known fact

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Total bullshit,  Dodge...

Zero "known fact" in your baseless claim..

All you're doing is repeating another urban legend, based on a quote made by Princess Margaret a good half-century ago !

Its not bullshit at all and many phschology studies support this, that many do become conservative with age

So no legend but fact

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mr-personality/201410/why-are-older-people-more-conservative

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thor wrote:

Yes they do become more conservative

Its a known fact

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Total bullshit,  Dodge...

Zero "known fact" in your baseless claim..

All you're doing is repeating another urban legend, based on a quote made by Princess Margaret a good half-century ago !

Didge is the myth-whisperer on here.  All socialist are Marxists?  There is no racism in America.  All women who claim rape are liars.  His argument is always the passive-negative: prove it's not so.

Ignore it, or endure another 3-day marathon of Is-is not - is - is not - is - is not... Rolling Eyes

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Rolling Eyes

Total bullshit,  Dodge...

Zero "known fact" in your baseless claim..

All you're doing is repeating another urban legend, based on a quote made by Princess Margaret a good half-century ago !

Didge is the myth-whisperer on here.  All socialist are Marxists?  There is no racism in America.  All women who claim rape are liars.  His argument is always the passive-negative: prove it's not so.

Ignore it, or endure another 3-day marathon of Is-is not - is - is not - is - is not... Rolling Eyes

You then invoke the Cathy Newman trait make claims to things I have not said, which is what the left constantly do when shown up to be complete imbicilles ,as you have been here

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mr-personality/201410/why-are-older-people-more-conservative


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Post by Original Quill on Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:44 pm

What is interesting about that journal article is that it immediately steers you away from age.  In fact, it tells you, age is not causative, but associative.  It says that age is associated with decline of intellectual curiosity, information-processing capacity, and an increasing closed-mindedness.  I could have told you that.

Instead you went off into this diversion into old age.  I can go with many diversions for these qualities: Republicanism,  Toryism, Nazism and Fascism among them.  Why not go there?

I have been saying for years that practice yields intellectual capacity.  The brain is like any muscle or organ, if you exercise it, you build it.  Conservatives are those who slow down and intellectually tarry. Many people age nicely into social and problem-solving modes…the core values of the left.  Nothing about age deters them…they consistently devote energy to liberal problem-solving.  Indeed, your own Psychology Today article says: “there is also compelling evidence for the idea that people become more exaggerated versions of themselves when they age.”  So, if you start out with a liberal heart, you go there with age.

There's nothing about age that compels a shift to the right.

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lol it makes me laugh that you again deny the evidence which is even found in votes, through agre brackets

That show over whemingly that the older generation votes conservative

Not sure how much evidence you require in order for you to actually open up your mind to the fact you are wrong?

The core values of the left?

Where you failed to looked skeptically at many of your own beliefs?

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Thor wrote:lol it makes me laugh that you again deny the evidence which is even found in votes, through agre brackets

That show over whemingly that the older generation votes conservative

Not sure how much evidence you require in order for you to actually open up your mind to the fact you are wrong?

The core values of the left?

Where you failed to looked skeptically at many of your own beliefs?

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You didn't even read your own article, did you? It doesn't offer any proof, just conclusions. More importantly, it doesn't say age is causative of rightward thinking. It concludes that age exaggerates what you were in your youth, and that rightward thinking persons experience a decline of intellectual curiosity, information-processing capacity, and an increasing closed-mindedness.

As I remarked, why didn't you say that in the first place?

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Thor wrote:lol it makes me laugh that you again deny the evidence which is even found in votes, through agre brackets

That show over whemingly that the older generation votes conservative

Not sure how much evidence you require in order for you to actually open up your mind to the fact you are wrong?

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Where you failed to looked skeptically at many of your own beliefs?

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You didn't even read your own article, did you?  It doesn't offer any proof, just conclusions.  More importantly, it doesn't say age is causative of rightward thinking.  It concludes that age exaggerates what you were in your youth, and that rightward thinking persons experience a decline of intellectual curiosity, information-processing capacity, and an increasing closed-mindedness.

As I remarked, why didn't you say that in the first place?


Of course I readf it and alongside votes by people in age brackets show this has correlation

Do you not understand correlation Quill?

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You didn't even read your own article, did you?  It doesn't offer any proof, just conclusions.  More importantly, it doesn't say age is causative of rightward thinking.  It concludes that age exaggerates what you were in your youth, and that rightward thinking persons experience a decline of intellectual curiosity, information-processing capacity, and an increasing closed-mindedness.

As I remarked, why didn't you say that in the first place?


Of course I readf it and alongside votes by people in age brackets show this has correlation

Do you not understand correlation Quill?

It's not a correlation. It's an association.

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Of course I readf it and alongside votes by people in age brackets show this has correlation

Do you not understand correlation Quill?

It's not a correlation.  It's an association.

Its a correlation

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What is the co-efficient of correlation between the two variables, then?

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Original Quill wrote:What is the co-efficient of correlation between the two variables, then?

Studies and elections

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https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/conservative-with-age-why-your-political-stripes-change-over-time-1.4442808

https://www.psypost.org/2018/08/study-finds-parents-tend-to-be-more-socially-conservative-and-judgmental-than-non-parents-52061

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2018/11/05/do-people-get-more-conservative-with-age-local-study-gets-a-wealth-of-answers.html

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