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Post by Maddog on Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:18 am

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An Ypsilanti man says he was trying to teach a few students dressed in American Indian theme party about respecting Native Americans.

Not long afterward, Nathan Phillips said that an interaction with party-goers and students turned ugly.

Nathan Phillips says he was out for a noon walk on a Saturday in mid-April.
He walked by a home where he saw Eastern Michigan University students dressed as Native Americans.

"They had little feathers on, I was just going to walk by," Phillips said. "A group of them said 'Come on over, come here.'"

He says he walked over to the fence and saw roughly 30 to 40 students involved in a theme party.

"They had their face painted," Phillips said. "I said what the heck is going on here. 'Oh we are honoring you.' I said no you are not honoring me."

It was a statement he says they took offense to.

"Then started whooping and hollering," he said. "I said that wasn't honoring, that was racist. Then at that time, it really got ugly."

Phillips says he was bombarded with racial slurs.

"(They said) 'Go back to the reservation, you blank indian,'" he said.

 One student, he says, threw a beer can at him.

"If I would have stayed where I was at, it would have hit me in the head," he said. "I backed up and it hit me in the chest."

 He had seen enough at that point and says he called the police.

"By the time police got there, it was like there was no party


there at all," he said.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:02 pm

See for yourselves.


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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:02 pm

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Well why are you not applying the same moral etiqutte to the kids that surrounded him and the few other native Indians with him?

Because they never moved into anyone else personal space. They stood in place while others came to them.

Capice?

No he did not and no such law on personal space

How did people get right nehind him and to either side of him, surrounding him?

That shows they had no respect for his personal space

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:03 pm

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You say po-tae-to...I say po-tah-to.  In any case, we both agree that he is not really protesting anything...he is demonstrating a point.

No, he was protesting against the Catholic Church, as well as protesting about the Catholic school. By the way, he doesn't mind calling other people protesters.

That's another matter. He was at the Lincoln Memorial demonstrating for vets. That is what brought him into the public awareness.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:03 pm

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Because they never moved into anyone else personal space. They stood in place while others came to them.

Capice?

No he did not and no such law on personal space

How did people get right nehind him and to either side of him, surrounding him?

That shows they had no respect for his personal space

They went to see what he was playing at. He didn't respect the personal space of those boys, he just went right up to them in their faces.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:04 pm

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Thor wrote:I would also add, i am sure the security Guard may have wrongly construed and believed they would enter the church.

That does not mean they tried to or even intended to do so.

Sure............................................

You will defend this clown regardless of what he does.

You though claimed 60 native indians are now lying and back the Institution behind the cover  up of thousands of peadophiles. That was complicit in the Holocaust.

All I see again is further evidence of this subconscious racial bias that you have

You believe white people but not native Indians and now its 60 of them here

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:05 pm

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No, he was protesting against the Catholic Church, as well as protesting about the Catholic school. By the way, he doesn't mind calling other people protesters.

That's another matter.  He was at the Lincoln Memorial demonstrating for vets.  That is what brought him into the public awareness.


I'm talking about the incident at the church!

Honestly, talking to you is like talking to a toddler - you don't seem to understand anything.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:06 pm

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Sure............................................



You will defend this clown regardless of what he does.

You though claimed 60 native indians are now lying and back the Institution behind the cover  up of thousands of peadophiles. That was complicit in the Holocaust.

All I see again is further evidence of this subconscious racial bias that you have

You believe white people but not native Indians and now its 60 of them here

You don't believe what those boys said. Is that because they're white or because they're Catholics?

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:07 pm

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No, he was protesting against the Catholic Church, as well as protesting about the Catholic school. By the way, he doesn't mind calling other people protesters.

That's another matter.  He was at the Lincoln Memorial demonstrating for vets.  That is what brought him into the public awareness.

Actually He was on a peace march for native Indians at the Lincoln memorial

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:08 pm

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I don't think you can substantiate that.  You are confusing his championing the cause of Vietnam vets, with a claim he was a Vietnam vet.  Two different matters.

He said he's a "Vietnam-times Veteran". It's a very strange expression. Why mention Vietnam at all?

Because that is the concern. You can be for something, without being the subject. For example, I am a feminist...but I am not female. You are falling into the same trap as Redneck...to demonstrate for Vietnam vets is not to say you are one.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:09 pm

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That's another matter.  He was at the Lincoln Memorial demonstrating for vets.  That is what brought him into the public awareness.

Actually He was on a peace march for native Indians at the Lincoln memorial

"Native American Vietnam vets..." I believe.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:10 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:

You though claimed 60 native indians are now lying and back the Institution behind the cover  up of thousands of peadophiles. That was complicit in the Holocaust.

All I see again is further evidence of this subconscious racial bias that you have

You believe white people but not native Indians and now its 60 of them here

You don't believe what those boys said. Is that because they're white or because they're Catholics?

I have only heard what one boy has to say, with a written statement

I have said already what I think on this on the other thread

Go and look to see what I said

He claimed he only smiled once, that is in fact false

Not heard from the other boys yet to say either way

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:10 pm

Original Quill wrote:
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Actually He was on a peace march for native Indians at the Lincoln memorial

"Native American Vietnam vets..." I believe.

Not this one Quill,. it was for Native Americans

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:11 pm

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He said he's a "Vietnam-times Veteran". It's a very strange expression. Why mention Vietnam at all?

Because that is the concern.  You can be for something, without being the subject.  For example, I am a feminist...but I am not female.  You are falling into the same trap as Redneck...to demonstrate for Vietnam vets is not to say you are one.
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I didn't say he claimed he was one - that's you not understanding again. I asked why would someone call themselves a "Vietnam-times Veteran".

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:12 pm

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No he did not and no such law on personal space

How did people get right nehind him and to either side of him, surrounding him?

That shows they had no respect for his personal space

They went to see what he was playing at. He didn't respect the personal space of those boys, he just went right up to them in their faces.

So they went to see what he was playing at, thus surrounding his personal space

He was not up in the face of a single one, only one had a drum near to his face and was smirking throughout

Hardly a sign of agitation, but clearly a view of cockiness and cominance

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:12 pm

Quill really needs to read up on this.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:14 pm

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They went to see what he was playing at. He didn't respect the personal space of those boys, he just went right up to them in their faces.

So they went to see what he was playing at, thus surrounding his personal space

He was not up in the face of a single one, only one had a drum near to his face and was smirking throughout

Hardly a sign of agitation, but clearly a view of cockiness and cominance

He approached them - they didn't ask him to. If people are standing in a circle around a busker would you say they were "surrounding his personal space"

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:14 pm

Notice how the alt right media has started an all out war on this individual

They are doing what normally I castigate the left over.

They are trying each and ervery way to try and deligitimize this Native indian

It proves my point on the ugligness that has descended the US

In the end they will descend into civil war with their hate the extreme right and left in the US

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:15 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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So they went to see what he was playing at, thus surrounding his personal space

He was not up in the face of a single one, only one had a drum near to his face and was smirking throughout

Hardly a sign of agitation, but clearly a view of cockiness and cominance

He approached them - they didn't ask him to. If people are standing in a circle around a busker would you say they were "surrounding his personal space"


When ever are buskers surrounded on all sides?

It does not matter if he approached them, that does not mean they can then surround his personal space

You just continue to contradict yourself, which is constant everyday

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:16 pm

Thor wrote:Notice how the alt right media has started an all out war on this individual



They are doing what normally I castigate the left over.

They are trying each and ervery way to try and deligitimize this Native indian

It proves my point on the ugligness that has descended the US

In the end they will descend into civil war with their hate the extreme right and left in the US

It's only what he tried to do to those boys, and it's only what the left/liberal media also did to them. He was the one who drew attention to it all by telling porkies, so he should face the music.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:19 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thor wrote:Notice how the alt right media has started an all out war on this individual



They are doing what normally I castigate the left over.

They are trying each and ervery way to try and deligitimize this Native indian

It proves my point on the ugligness that has descended the US

In the end they will descend into civil war with their hate the extreme right and left in the US

It's only what he tried to do to those boys, and it's only what the left/liberal media also did to them. He was the one who drew attention to it all by telling porkies, so he should face the music.

He did nothing to thes boys and some of those mocked and laughed at him and is correct how people forget this fundemental fact

As I posted on the other thread, the conservatives in the us have a well oiled and refined working media distortion campaign going on

It works well

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:20 pm

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Because that is the concern.  You can be for something, without being the subject.  For example, I am a feminist...but I am not female.  You are falling into the same trap as Redneck...to demonstrate for Vietnam vets is not to say you are one.
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I didn't say he claimed he was one - that's you not understanding again. I asked why would someone call themselves a "Vietnam-times Veteran".

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:23 pm

Thor wrote:
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It's only what he tried to do to those boys, and it's only what the left/liberal media also did to them. He was the one who drew attention to it all by telling porkies, so he should face the music.

He did nothing to thes boys and some of those mocked and laughed at him and is correct how people forget this fundemental fact

As I posted on the other thread, the conservatives in the us have a well oiled and refined working media distortion campaign going on

It works well            

No, they didn't. They clapped along with the drum.

Anyway, I'm talking about his behaviour afterwards. He's banged on and on about these boys and how he wants them to be punished, even though he must know his story has been busted. He's reaping what he sowed now.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:24 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:
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I didn't say he claimed he was one - that's you not understanding again. I asked why would someone call themselves a "Vietnam-times Veteran".

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What connection? If he wasn't in Vietnam, there isn't a connection.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:25 pm

Let's be absolutely clear about something here: Whatever else may have been said about it or our country's reactions to it, the racist disrespect of Nathan Phillips, a Native American elder, by Nick Sandmann and his MAGA-hat clad classmates of Covington Catholic High School at the Lincoln Memorial is nothing new. In fact, it's quite the common thing. In this increasingly depraved society, that kind of behavior is often encouraged or excused as just good ol' American fun.

Think about it: If you'd like to see more of the same rancid mockery -- tomahawk-chopping, chanting, war-whooping, cultural appropriation, dummy drumming -- all you have to do is attend a Cleveland Indians game or an Atlanta Braves game or a Kansas City Chiefs game or a Chicago Blackhawks game or, of course, a Washington NFL team game.

Indeed, the very form of anti-native ridicule and disrespect of personhood and culture caught on multiple videos that day predates Donald J. Trump and his base by centuries.

Understand that here in the United States, racism against and disrespect of natives is embedded in the American psyche early in life, and it begins with things like holidays to Indian killers, Hollywood Westerns of Indians being killed, and fanatic sports culture where on any given Sunday in autumn a headline in Dallas reads, "Cowboys Scalp Redskins."

America mocks and dehumanizes natives at every turn; we are either outright erased, shut out of the conversation, or made into evil "savages" out to terrorize white society -- that's until November rolls around. Then parents and teachers dress up the kiddos in faux native garb; they paint their faces in "war paint," and don them with synthetic feathers and paper headbands for some cheap Thanksgiving production.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:29 pm

The standoff between students and a Native American man reveals who gets compassion, and who doesn’t.

When that clip first appeared on my Twitter feed, I could not click play. As an Indian, the fear of a face-to-face encounter with a sneering white superior is deeply engrained in my psychology. I cannot watch that film and not think about the youth hockey opponent who knocked me down while yelling “Indian boy!” Or the man who accused my father and I of stealing our own car. Or the Raiders fans who yelled epithets at a group of Native dancers and me performing for a heritage month celebration at their home game. Or the dirty looks I get in many parts of this country as a brown man with a braid hanging down my back.

saw that thumbnail image and thought about the Indian agents who kidnapped and assaulted my grandmother and took her away to Catholic school. I thought about my relatives. I feared that men younger than I still believed us all to be inferior; that an elder who reminded me of uncles, cousins and so many other Native men I’ve met and loved could still be put in his place; that the songs we sing are, to the Maga youth, a laughingstock.

Many on the internet were moved as I was. But others were not. They saw, in the teens, their sons and their own adolescence. They feared that a social justice witch-hunt was afoot.

There were many ways to follow this story. They revealed less about what actually happened at the Lincoln Memorial on Friday and more about who has the power to tell the story and the biases underlying how that story is told. From opposite sides of the socioeconomic-political-cultural-racial divide, reporters and citizen journalists followed the facts in opposite directions.

We learned that the elder was a sacred pipe carrier, activist, veteran and boarding school survivor from the Omaha Nation named Nathan Phillips. We learned that he was a founder of the Native Youth Alliance who helped lead prayer walks after Standing Rock and participates in an annual gathering for Native veterans at Arlington National Cemetery. We learned that he was in town for the Indigenous Peoples March. Some of us noted that the Washington DC National Football League team name, the Redskins, is a dictionary-definition racial slur. And in later interviews, we learned that Phillips was singing to pray for the young men staring him down.

We learned that the youth was an 11th-grade student at the expensive all-boys Covington Catholic private school in Kentucky. (Upon learning this, some of us may have noted that private schools sprouted up in the south to preserve segregation.) We learned that his school has no women or people of color in authority positions. A photo has circulated of Covington Catholic basketball fans, some in black face, yelling at an African American opponent. We learned that his mother is a vice-president at Fidelity Investments. We learned that the school sent its students to the capital to participate in the anti-abortion March for Life.

And after we learned many of these details, we learned the boy’s name was Nicholas Sandmann and that his family hired a PR firm to respond to the controversy.

But as more videos and reports emerged, we also learned that there was a group of Black Hebrew Israelites who were yelling insults at both the students and the Native Americans. They may have instigated the confrontation. We learned that Phillips approached the students in part to defuse those tensions. We learned, surprisingly, that Sandmann is a fan of the politically conscious rapper Logic. And we learned, unsurprisingly, through Sandmann’s press release that the he does not believe what he did was hateful or racist.

It is the job of the press and the discerning reader and viewer to compile and synthesize these messy facts and statements into a coherent narrative. And in that task a great deal of the press and a large portion of the discerning have failed.

Early coverage of Phillips and Sandmann’s encounter was, for me, in a small sense, encouraging: outrage suggested that maybe the media and the multitude could grapple with anti-Indian racism. That my experience – what I and many other Native people felt when we watched that clip – could be met with compassion and perhaps even a moment of reflection on the enduring psychology of racial entitlement that snatched this continent out from under our ancestor’s feet and still today deprives elders like Nathan Phillips of their dignity.

But, as the days have passed, it seems that as soon as the story becomes more complicated – when a fuller picture emerges in all of its messy human detail – the Indigenous are no longer deserving of compassion. If it was Phillips who approached the Covington students, commentators suggest, then maybe the cacophony of laughter, war whoops, tomahawk chops and that smug grin was not what we saw: racism.

I hoped that this time their empathy was real, that the condemnation could withstand the obfuscation that is always the follow-up story: that the Native elder was the aggressor, that the black youth gunned down by the cops was actually a crook, that the hard-working immigrant is stealing your job. But it appears that a great deal of this nation – including its supposedly liberal Fourth Estate – is not ready to look at the nasty complexity of racism, power and privilege squarely in the face and tell the truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/23/native-american-racism-video-covington-school-nick-sandmann

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:37 pm

Thor wrote:
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Sure............................................

You will defend this clown regardless of what he does.

You though claimed 60 native indians are now lying and back the Institution behind the cover  up of thousands of peadophiles. That was complicit in the Holocaust.

All I see again is further evidence of this subconscious racial bias that you have

You believe white people but not native Indians and now its 60 of them here

Give me a fucking break.

Now Nathan is beating his fucking drum because of the holocaust?

Nathan saw the red hats. He doesn't like people who where those red hats, and we went to fuck with them.

Then he decided to fuck with the Catholic church, because most of the boys were catholic.

And that word "evidence" doesn't mean what you think it means. tongue

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:40 pm

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He approached them - they didn't ask him to. If people are standing in a circle around a busker would you say they were "surrounding his personal space"

When ever are buskers surrounded on all sides?

It does not matter if he approached them, that does not mean they can then surround his personal space

You just continue to contradict yourself, which is constant everyday

I've been consistent, it's you who keeps contradicting yourself. Make up your mind.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:42 pm

Thor wrote:
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It's only what he tried to do to those boys, and it's only what the left/liberal media also did to them. He was the one who drew attention to it all by telling porkies, so he should face the music.

He did nothing to thes boys and some of those mocked and laughed at him and is correct how people forget this fundemental fact

As I posted on the other thread, the conservatives in the us have a well oiled and refined working media distortion campaign going on

It works well            

He approached them with his drum and got in their faces, like a dick.

Not an American Indian dick, but just a human dick.

Are you aware of the fact that American Indians can be dicks, and this dick is a prime example. Cool

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:43 pm

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You though claimed 60 native indians are now lying and back the Institution behind the cover  up of thousands of peadophiles. That was complicit in the Holocaust.

All I see again is further evidence of this subconscious racial bias that you have

You believe white people but not native Indians and now its 60 of them here

Give me a fucking break.

Now Nathan is beating his fucking drum because of the holocaust?

Nathan saw the red hats. He doesn't like people who where those red hats, and we went to fuck with them.

Then he decided to fuck with the Catholic church, because most of the boys were catholic.

And that word "evidence" doesn't mean what you think it means. tongue

Did he know they were Catholics before he went to hassle them? I wonder about that. If he has a general gripe with the Catholic Church, that could explain why he did so.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:47 pm

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He did nothing to thes boys and some of those mocked and laughed at him and is correct how people forget this fundemental fact

As I posted on the other thread, the conservatives in the us have a well oiled and refined working media distortion campaign going on

It works well            

He approached them with his drum and got in their faces, like a dick.

Not an American Indian dick, but just a human dick.

Are you aware of the fact that American Indians can be dicks, and this dick is a prime example. Cool

1) Lie number one. He was no where near their faces, only later was he face to face with one youth. Hence you make poor excuses

2) So what if you think he is a dick.

3) Well unsure how promoting peace and protesting the rights of indigeneous makes him a dick to you. Or is it the reality that you have been rbought up with a psyche, that shows native Indians in such a poor light.

I mean its astounding how you have made such a volte face here and all due to one kids statement and how some black extremists were hateful

You still think this excuses the behaviour of those kids

This what is wrong with society today, and you are a pure example that shows a complete lack of respect.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:47 pm

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It's only what he tried to do to those boys, and it's only what the left/liberal media also did to them. He was the one who drew attention to it all by telling porkies, so he should face the music.

He did nothing to thes boys and some of those mocked and laughed at him and is correct how people forget this fundemental fact

As I posted on the other thread, the conservatives in the us have a well oiled and refined working media distortion campaign going on

It works well            

He tried to turn people against them, and he tried to drag their name through the mud. He even called for them to be expelled. Many people are critical of him now, and it's what he deserves.

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:50 pm

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You though claimed 60 native indians are now lying and back the Institution behind the cover  up of thousands of peadophiles. That was complicit in the Holocaust.

All I see again is further evidence of this subconscious racial bias that you have

You believe white people but not native Indians and now its 60 of them here

Give me a fucking break.

Now Nathan is beating his fucking drum because of the holocaust?

Nathan saw the red hats. He doesn't like people who where those red hats, and we went to fuck with them.

Then he decided to fuck with the Catholic church, because most of the boys were catholic.

And that word "evidence" doesn't mean what you think it means. tongue

Where did I say he was beating his drum due to the Holocaust?

That is simple one of the many crimes the Institution of the Catholic chruch is complicit in

Well those hats are very much becoming a symbol of hate, being that the current President is very much racist, xenophobic to say the least. Even more so with his condescending views of native Indians

He simple played a traditional song, which you basically insult the cuture of Native Indians, through again utter ignorance, claiming its beating drums in peoples faces

You see the problem is you are exactly like those kids

That is why you fail to see how they were wrong in mocking

Like a said a subconscious racial bias, brought about through years of US society in its treatment of native Americans

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:55 pm

So in the event I smoke some peyote and want to walk around beating a drum in someone's face, how much native blood do I need to have to make it acceptable?

Is Elizabeth Warren "native" enough?

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:57 pm

Maddog wrote:So in the event I smoke some peyote and want to walk around beating a drum in someone's face, how much native blood do I need to have to make it acceptable?

Is Elizabeth Warren "native" enough?    

Well being an actual native American indian raised in their culture might help

Or were3 you raised in a redneck environment?

No she is not native indian

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:57 pm

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So Native Indians then

Glad you clarified that for me

As far as I am aware they did not enter or had any intention to do so  and I thought they were open to all the public being accessable to all, when open?

So what you are saying is the Catholic Church excluded them from entering.


Oh and the Lincoln Memorial is also open to everyone, its not a personal space.

Yet you said this earlier.

The kids had no permit and should have moved out of the way and avoided any confrontation with the black supremacists.

They didn't need a permit to be there, and they were minding their own business until the black guys started on them, and then Phillips waded in.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:59 pm

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Maddog wrote:So in the event I smoke some peyote and want to walk around beating a drum in someone's face, how much native blood do I need to have to make it acceptable?


Is Elizabeth Warren "native" enough?    

Well being an actual native American indian raised in their culture might help

Or were3 you raised in a redneck environment?

No she is not native indian

You mean descendants of native Americans.

Do these native Americans know all the music that the kids like? If not, they're just being ignorant!

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:59 pm

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Oh and the Lincoln Memorial is also open to everyone, its not a personal space.

Yet you said this earlier.

The kids had no permit and should have moved out of the way and avoided any confrontation with the black supremacists.

They didn't need a permit to be there, and they were minding their own business until the black guys started on them, and then Phillips waded in.

Never claimed they needed a permit, your words not mine


The march native Indian had a permit, the kids should have showed respect and moved to one side for the marchers.

I bet people did for their march they were on

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:00 pm

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Well being an actual native American indian raised in their culture might help

Or were3 you raised in a redneck environment?

No she is not native indian

You mean descendants of native Americans.

Do these native Americans know all the music that the kids like? If not, they're just being ignorant!

No native Indians that live today

What a really dumb question to end with, when nobody here can answer

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:01 pm

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Yet you said this earlier.



They didn't need a permit to be there, and they were minding their own business until the black guys started on them, and then Phillips waded in.

Never claimed they needed a permit, your words not mine


The march native Indian had a permit, the kids should have showed respect and moved to one side for the marchers.

I bet people did for their march they were on

It wasn't part of the march - Phillips decided to go and harass them because he didn't like the way they weren't listening to the black guys.

Why mention that they didn't have a permit anyway? It's a free space, right?

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You mean descendants of native Americans.

Do these native Americans know all the music that the kids like? If not, they're just being ignorant!

No native Indians that live today

What a really dumb question to end with, when nobody here can answer

They're not any more native than any other American these days.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:02 pm

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Yet you said this earlier.



They didn't need a permit to be there, and they were minding their own business until the black guys started on them, and then Phillips waded in.

Never claimed they needed a permit, your words not mine


The march native Indian had a permit, the kids should have showed respect and moved to one side for the marchers.

I bet people did for their march they were on

The permit for Indian march was for down the street, not the Lincoln memorial or a catholic church.

But Nathan wasn't getting enough attention for his drumming and skills and had to go find some kids in the evil red hats.


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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:02 pm

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Never claimed they needed a permit, your words not mine


The march native Indian had a permit, the kids should have showed respect and moved to one side for the marchers.

I bet people did for their march they were on

It wasn't part of the march - Phillips decided to go and harass them because he didn't like the way they weren't listening to the black guys.

Why mention that they didn't have a permit anyway? It's a free space, right?

The native Indians were already there and had a permit to march there

The kids never had a permit to march there

On there march, people never stood in their way, did they?

So why did they not show any respect and instead mock and laugh at him?

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:04 pm

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Never claimed they needed a permit, your words not mine


The march native Indian had a permit, the kids should have showed respect and moved to one side for the marchers.

I bet people did for their march they were on

The permit for Indian march was for down the street, not the Lincoln memorial or a catholic church.

But Nathan was getting enough attention for his drumming and skills and had to go find some kids in the evil red hats.  

Wrong the Lincoln memorial was part of the permit

lol, you and your hate agsinst someone sing ing a traditional song, when you keep refering this to drumming

Proves my point again

Never claimed the kids are evil

They are certainly a bunch of kids who think they are entittled, that was sure and by their actions

You cannot even blame some of the kids

To you its all the native indians fault for simple trying to defuse a situation that he thought was getting ugly

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:05 pm

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It wasn't part of the march - Phillips decided to go and harass them because he didn't like the way they weren't listening to the black guys.

Why mention that they didn't have a permit anyway? It's a free space, right?

The native Indians were already there and had a permit to march there

The kids never had a permit to march there

On there march, people never stood in their way, did they?

So why did they not show any respect and instead mock and laugh at him?

The kids weren't marching, so that point is irrelevant. I told you - Phillips wasn't on the march at the time - he went up to the kids deliberately - after the march. It makes no difference whether Phillips had a permit or not - there was nothing to stop anyone else being in that area. He chose to go to the crowd of boys and bang his drum at them. They were fine about it - it's what he did to them afterwards which is the problem.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:06 pm

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It wasn't part of the march - Phillips decided to go and harass them because he didn't like the way they weren't listening to the black guys.

Why mention that they didn't have a permit anyway? It's a free space, right?

The native Indians were already there and had a permit to march there

The kids never had a permit to march there

On there march, people never stood in their way, did they?

So why did they not show any respect and instead mock and laugh at him?

Incorrect.

The permit was for a different location. Rolling Eyes

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Post by phildidge on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:06 pm

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The native Indians were already there and had a permit to march there

The kids never had a permit to march there

On there march, people never stood in their way, did they?

So why did they not show any respect and instead mock and laugh at him?

The kids weren't marching, so that point is irrelevant. I told you - Phillips wasn't on the march at the time - he went up to the kids deliberately - after the march. It makes no difference whether Phillips had a permit or not - there was nothing to stop anyone else being in that area. He chose to go to the crowd of boys and bang his drum at them. They were fine about it - it's what he did to them afterwards which is the problem.

Of course he was swtill on the march, what a load of baloney by you and again you avoid my questions try again

Did anyone try and stand in their way of their march for life?

It makes all the difference that the Native Indians had a permit

It shgows the lack of respect by the kids

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Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

The native Indians were already there and had a permit to march there

The kids never had a permit to march there

On there march, people never stood in their way, did they?

So why did they not show any respect and instead mock and laugh at him?

Incorrect.

The permit was for a different location. Rolling Eyes

Wrong

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No native Indians that live today

What a really dumb question to end with, when nobody here can answer

They're not any more native than any other American these days.

Come again?

Wow please explain that one for me?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:07 pm

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The permit for Indian march was for down the street, not the Lincoln memorial or a catholic church.

But Nathan was getting enough attention for his drumming and skills and had to go find some kids in the evil red hats.  



Wrong the Lincoln memorial was part of the permit

lol, you and your hate agsinst someone sing ing a traditional song, when you keep refering this to drumming

Proves my point again

Never claimed the kids are evil

They are certainly a bunch of kids who think they are entittled, that was sure and by their actions

You cannot even blame some of the kids

To you its all the native indians fault for simple trying to defuse a situation that he thought was getting ugly

It's Phillips who thinks he's entitled - he thinks everyone should respect him just because he's a "native American". He thinks he can do what he likes and everyone else should like it too. He thinks it's fine to go and make a scene outside a church when there's a service on. Then he has the nerve to say he can teach someone about "respect".

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