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Post by phildidge on Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:33 pm

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Nathan Phillips, Omaha, is a Vietnam Veteran who hosts a sacred pipe ceremony at Arlington, was taunted in D.C.

Native Twitter has gone ablaze as a Native American elder singing the AIM Song in Washington DC during the Indigenous Peoples March was ridiculed, taunted and mocked by a group of non-Native youth.

The video, which was posted by YouTube account holder KC NOLAND, was also screen captured and shared on other social media accounts with views shortly gaining tens of thousands of views.

The elder is Nathan Phillips, an Omaha elder who is also a Vietnam Veteran and former director of the Native Youth Alliance. He is also a keeper of a sacred pipe and holds an annual ceremony honoring Native American veterans in the Arlington National Cemetery.




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What a bunch of uneducated ingrate little shits.

If there was ever an example of what is wrong in the US today, it was the disrespectful actions of this vile little scumbags

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:37 pm

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Like I said, more examples of a subconsious racial bias

Rags has now declared he has played the race card, not off any evidence but an opinion, now inventing he is after money.

wtf?

I asked you whether you think its unlikely they would have said this?

You failed to answer and do a cathy newman again

It's not relevant as to whether they're unlikely or not to say it. They didn't say it. Nobody heard them, except apparently Nathan, who was banging a drum and singing at the time.

So you are claiming he is a lair and now have difinitive prove they never said this, really?

Actually others heard this too, that were with him

So you failed to actually answer the question yet again


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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:38 pm

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Just spent hlf an hour looking through vids and have not seen anything like your claim

Maybe its best to post up your claim

I have seen some video's by the Alt right trying to poorly deny this. Trying  to downplay or excuse the racial mocking behaviour of the kids.

Ony one clip have I seen one of native supporter after being taunted saying its not their land and to go back to Europe.

Can hardly blame him saying that, with these racist little shits acting the way they did and he is right. It is the indegeneous peoples land. Not the descendents of Europeans

Are you saying that these white kids have no right to be in the US?

If someone said a non-white person should go back to where they came from, would you not call them out for it?

Yes you did Rags

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:40 pm

Thor wrote:The indigenous man, Nathan Phillips, said he stepped in to diffuse the incident. Phillips is a Vietnam veteran and Native American elder of the Omaha tribe.

In an interview with the Detroit Free Press, Phillips said the incident started as the students from Covington Catholic were observing a group of Black Israelites talk, and started to get upset at their speeches.

Phillips said some of the members of the Black Hebrew group were also acting up, "saying some harsh things" and that one member spit in the direction of the Catholic students.

"So I put myself in between that, between a rock and hard place," Phillips said.

https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-incident-indigenous-peoples-march-longer-video/2630930002/

The kids weren't acting up at all, so it's unfair of him to say that the members of the black group were "also" acting up. He didn't put himself between them, he went right up to the white kids and ignored the black guys, who were the ones being aggressive and abusive.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:41 pm

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

To play the race card?

He could have been mistaken.


wow

So a man that goes into a situation saying he does not want to see white and black brothers fighting, seems like playing the race card to you?

Even though many of these kids, were clear trump supporters and come from a heartland of trump suuport?

You think its unlikley they would say build the wall, being as this is holding up federal goverment at the moment by him?

Nathan is an activist with an agenda. He just got interviewed on CNN. A network that is a propaganda arm of the left. #winning

At this point, it doesn't matter what happened, but what people can be led to believe about what happened. These kids are dopey kids who are clueless about activism and the media. They got played. Thankfully there is video.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:41 pm

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Thor wrote:The indigenous man, Nathan Phillips, said he stepped in to diffuse the incident. Phillips is a Vietnam veteran and Native American elder of the Omaha tribe.

In an interview with the Detroit Free Press, Phillips said the incident started as the students from Covington Catholic were observing a group of Black Israelites talk, and started to get upset at their speeches.

Phillips said some of the members of the Black Hebrew group were also acting up, "saying some harsh things" and that one member spit in the direction of the Catholic students.

"So I put myself in between that, between a rock and hard place," Phillips said.

https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-incident-indigenous-peoples-march-longer-video/2630930002/

The kids weren't acting up at all, so it's unfair of him to say that the members of the black group were "also" acting up. He didn't put himself between them, he went right up to the white kids and ignored the black guys, who were the ones being aggressive and abusive.

He went to go between them, he was moving alongside in front of them on the stairs them if you actually watch, then they surrounded him.

If you think that is not kis being disrespectful and misbehaving

I suggest you take that up with the school

They clearly disagree with you

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:42 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you saying that these white kids have no right to be in the US?

If someone said a non-white person should go back to where they came from, would you not call them out for it?

Yes you did Rags

I thought you meant someone else. It's interesting that you didn't blame him though isn't it? You have just condoned racism.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:43 pm

Thor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The kids weren't acting up at all, so it's unfair of him to say that the members of the black group were "also" acting up. He didn't put himself between them, he went right up to the white kids and ignored the black guys, who were the ones being aggressive and abusive.

He went to go between them, he was moving alongside in front of them on the stairs them if you actually watch, then they surrounded him.

If you think that is not kis being disrespectful and misbehaving

I suggest you take that up with the school

They clearly disagree with you

I don't need to take it up with them. I don't suppose they saw the whole event because there was a lot of cherry picking going on just to show these kids in a bad light. I'm amazed you fell for it.

He went up to the kids, he didn't go up to the black guys.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:44 pm

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wow

So a man that goes into a situation saying he does not want to see white and black brothers fighting, seems like playing the race card to you?

Even though many of these kids, were clear trump supporters and come from a heartland of trump suuport?

You think its unlikley they would say build the wall, being as this is holding up federal goverment at the moment by him?

Nathan is an activist with an agenda.  He just got interviewed on CNN.  A network that is a propaganda arm of the left. #winning

At this point, it doesn't matter what happened, but what people can be led to believe about what happened. These kids are dopey kids who are clueless about activism and the media.  They got played.  Thankfully there is video.

You go down in estimation when you start getting all conspiracy, when every single media outlet, of which hundreds have now reported on this. How is this to do with CNN

cuckoo

All actvists have an agenda, when they are indegenous. Its why he was on a march for native indians

So to you that then makes him lying here?

Seriously

So again you ignore their behvaiour again making excuses now claiming they were played.

Thus denying any responsibility by them

Everyone is responsible for their actions


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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:45 pm

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Yes you did Rags

I thought you meant someone else. It's interesting that you didn't blame him though isn't it? You have just condoned racism.

I suggest you read through again where I said even to Maddog what he said was wrong

I wish you would keep up

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:51 pm

Thor wrote:
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I thought you meant someone else. It's interesting that you didn't blame him though isn't it? You have just condoned racism.

I suggest you read through again where I said even to Maddog what he said was wrong

I wish you would keep up

Did you change your mind then? You said it was a perfectly understandandable thing to say. The kid he said it too didn't retaliate at all - it's clear who the aggressors were at this incident, and it wasn't the white Catholic kids.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:53 pm

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Thor wrote:

I suggest you read through again where I said even to Maddog what he said was wrong

I wish you would keep up

Did you change your mind then? You said it was a perfectly understandandable thing to say. The kid he said it too didn't retaliate at all - it's clear who the aggressors were at this incident, and it wasn't the white Catholic kids.

How is that changing my mind to understand why he did?

Gelico said the same in regards to understanding why the kids acted as they did, she also condemned they actions

That is not changing your mind

Actually the kid tried to deny them as being indigeneous, failing to understand what indigeneous is. I suugest you watch again. he claimed that them coming across from Asia did not make them native. Then mocked saying lets go all the way back to Africa. Very insulting to say the least

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:02 pm

Anyway, really have to go

I hope the school actually does some education of Native Indians. Take them to meet elders and learn this important part of American history. I also hope some get texpelled, then maybe they will learn some humility and also learn to start to respect people.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:21 pm

Thor wrote:Anyway, really have to go

I hope the school actually does some education of Native Indians. Take them to meet elders and learn this important part of American history. I also hope some get texpelled, then maybe they will learn some humility and also learn to start to respect people.

Night

I hope that people stop playing the race card, and stop inventing things after an event in order to get sympathy.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:30 pm

https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-video

More is coming out. Nathan went to defend the black guys from the white kids. Nathan didn't know what the hell.was going on.

He basically rushed to the defense of the Westboro Baptists or the Klan.

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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:27 pm


nailed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNc7P3eOcg0

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:41 pm

Its an amasing all these Trump supporters seeing a different picture than everyone else

Where they think because they dont think surrounding someone mocking is intimidating,Makes it fake news.

That says to me more about the Trump supporters than anything else

Interesting Blod Maddog, but again its just an opinion

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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:45 pm

Thor wrote:Its an amasing all these Trump supporters seeing a different picture than everyone else

Where they think because they dont think surrounding someone mocking is intimidating,Makes it fake news.

That says to me more about the Trump supporters than anything else

Interesting Blod Maddog, but again its just an opinion

It's not an opinion that Nathan said he was defending the Black Israelites from the kids.  And 2 hours of video shows those kids were no threat to anyone.  

Nathan should have beat his drum in the face of the guys calling people faggots and niggers.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:47 pm

gelico wrote:
nailed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNc7P3eOcg0

That confirms what nathan stated and shows as other clips have him walking between both groups. Which is seen at the two minute mark

You can discount this person rationality when he thinks a traditional song is shouting at someone and that he has a stinky breath

Wow, where do you find these people Gelico

No mention or showing the many clips that you all original though and rightly were the kids acting poor.

What i am seeing here is a volte face by some posters.

Seeing rightly what the kids did, you all thought as wrong and disrespectful

You then see other clips of the Black supremacists and then think this now excuses the clips you originally condemned

That again is not an excuse

Those kids were on a school day out and representatives of their school. They acted poorly. The Black supremacists should be done for hate speech, but these kids should be disciplined

Plain and simple and no amount of Trump supporters on youtube based on their biased views, will change that


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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:50 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:Its an amasing all these Trump supporters seeing a different picture than everyone else

Where they think because they dont think surrounding someone mocking is intimidating,Makes it fake news.

That says to me more about the Trump supporters than anything else

Interesting Blod Maddog, but again its just an opinion

It's not an opinion that Nathan said he was defending the Black Israelites from the kids.  And 2 hours of video shows those kids were no threat to anyone.  

Nathan should have beat his drum in the face of the guys calling people faggots and niggers.

Again its not for you to decide whether someone feels threaned and the videos clearly show Nathan go between each group

He never said he was defending the Blacks

He said he was hoping to desolve a situation

All Nathan saw was people clearly loud in front of him and you now deciding how people feel when surrounded jumping around them mocking them. Which you now change your mind on because there simple was also racists there abusing the kids

It shows the poor mindset people have to excuse a situation


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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:52 pm

Thor wrote:
gelico wrote:
nailed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNc7P3eOcg0

That confirms what nathan stated and shows as other clips have him walking between both groups. Which is seen at the two minute mark

You can discount this person rationality when he thinks a traditional song is shouting at someone and that he has a stinky breath

Wow, where do you find these people Gelico

No mention or showing the many clips that you all original though and rightly were the kids acting poor.

What i am seeing here is a volte face by some posters.

Seeing rightly what the kids did, you all thought as wrong and disrespectful

You then see other clips of the Black supremacists and then think this now excuses the clips you originally condemned

That again is not an excuse

Those kids were on a school day out and representatives of their school. They acted poorly. The Black supremacists should be done for hate speech, but these kids should be disciplined

Plain and simple and no amount of Trump supporters on youtube based on their biased views, will change that

Hate speech is legal in the US. That's why the Westboro folks were never "done".

These kooks are well known in DC.  The chaperones should have told the kids to stay away from the jackasses.  The Native folks should have stayed away from the kids.  Of all the parties acting up yesterday the kids were the best BEHAVED.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:54 pm

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It's not an opinion that Nathan said he was defending the Black Israelites from the kids.  And 2 hours of video shows those kids were no threat to anyone.  

Nathan should have beat his drum in the face of the guys calling people faggots and niggers.

Again its not for you to decide whether someone feels threaned and the videos clearly show Nathan go between each group

He never said he was defending the Blacks

He said he was hoping to desolve a situation

All Nathan saw was people clearly loud in front of him and you now deciding how people feel when surrounded jumping around them mocking them. Which you now change your mind on because there simple was also racists there abusing the kids

It shows the poor mindset people have to excuse a situation

"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:54 pm

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Thor wrote:

That confirms what nathan stated and shows as other clips have him walking between both groups. Which is seen at the two minute mark

You can discount this person rationality when he thinks a traditional song is shouting at someone and that he has a stinky breath

Wow, where do you find these people Gelico

No mention or showing the many clips that you all original though and rightly were the kids acting poor.

What i am seeing here is a volte face by some posters.

Seeing rightly what the kids did, you all thought as wrong and disrespectful

You then see other clips of the Black supremacists and then think this now excuses the clips you originally condemned

That again is not an excuse

Those kids were on a school day out and representatives of their school. They acted poorly. The Black supremacists should be done for hate speech, but these kids should be disciplined

Plain and simple and no amount of Trump supporters on youtube based on their biased views, will change that

Hate speech is legal in the US. That's why the Westboro folks were never "done".

These kooks are well known in DC.  The chaperones should have told the kids to stay away from the jackasses.  The Native folks should have stayed away from the kids.  Of all the parties acting up yesterday the kids were the best BEHAVED.

ha ha ha

So where you said they behaved badly, now you are saying that Nathan misbehaved

ha ha

You really see the racial bias coming out of people

If you think that is well behaved, then you need to check your moral compass

Nathan and many of the Indians were as peaceful as can be.

Only one shot back at some of nthe trump supporters, clearly off things they had said

Oh and by the way those native folks are also Americans

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:55 pm

Maddog wrote:
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Again its not for you to decide whether someone feels threaned and the videos clearly show Nathan go between each group

He never said he was defending the Blacks

He said he was hoping to desolve a situation

All Nathan saw was people clearly loud in front of him and you now deciding how people feel when surrounded jumping around them mocking them. Which you now change your mind on because there simple was also racists there abusing the kids

It shows the poor mindset people have to excuse a situation

"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

How is that defending someone, by standing between two groups

Where does he say he looked to defend them?


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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:57 pm

I tell you what Nathan saw, was no doubt that mocking Haka, by those little racist shits and fought things were going to get ugly, by their bravado and basic challenge doing the Haka, but hey Maddog, you claimed to have watched the video's right?

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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:00 pm

Thor wrote:
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"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

How is that defending someone, by standing between two groups

Where does he say he looked to defend them?


I dont know.  If I think you are preying on someone and I intervene I would say I'm defending your prey from you.  And he didnt stand between them. He got in the faces of one side.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:02 pm

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How is that defending someone, by standing between two groups

Where does he say he looked to defend them?


I dont know.  If I think you are preying on someone and I intervene I would say I'm defending your prey from you.  And he didnt stand between them. He got in the faces of one side.

He never said he was going to defend anyone

You simple made that up

Its seems you now not only a mind reader and can know if people should be intimidated or not, you are now changing words to suit your own mindset

Its clear as day he stepped in between singing

How is that looking to defend someone?

Or is it rightly as he said looking to defuse what he saw as a volatile situation?

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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:03 pm

Thor wrote:I tell you what Nathan saw, was no doubt that mocking Haka, by those little racist shits and fought things were going to get ugly, by their bravado and basic challenge doing the Haka, but hey Maddog, you claimed to have watched the video's right?


I have watched enough to know.  Not all 2 hours worth, but folks I trust have watched it.  

And once those kids decided that Nathan was on the side of the black nationalists,  all bets are off.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:04 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I dont know.  If I think you are preying on someone and I intervene I would say I'm defending your prey from you.  And he didnt stand between them. He got in the faces of one side.

He never said he was going to defend anyone

You simple made that up

Its seems you now not only a mind reader and can know if people should be intimidated or not, you are now changing words to suit your own mindset

Its clear as day he stepped in  between singing

How is that looking to defend someone?

Or is it rightly as he said looking to defuse what he saw as a volatile situation?
I posted a quote.  I guess it means something different to you.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:05 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:I tell you what Nathan saw, was no doubt that mocking Haka, by those little racist shits and fought things were going to get ugly, by their bravado and basic challenge doing the Haka, but hey Maddog, you claimed to have watched the video's right?


I have watched enough to know.  Not all 2 hours worth, but folks I trust have watched it.  

And once those kids decided that Nathan was on the side of the black nationalists,  all bets are off.

He was not on anyones side, the point you miss

I bet he did not even know what they represent, but he sure did with Kids wearing insulting hates wanting to make a country great again, when it has only ever been worse in the past. This proposed by a racist xenophobic President who has already slurred the native American Indians

They were racist little shits and as i say, the more expelled the better.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:06 pm

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

He never said he was going to defend anyone

You simple made that up

Its seems you now not only a mind reader and can know if people should be intimidated or not, you are now changing words to suit your own mindset

Its clear as day he stepped in  between singing

How is that looking to defend someone?

Or is it rightly as he said looking to defuse what he saw as a volatile situation?
I posted a quote.  I guess it means something different to you.

It meant something different to you, as again how is singing between two groups trying to defuse a situation defending?


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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:15 pm

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:
I posted a quote.  I guess it means something different to you.

It meant something different to you, as again how is singing between two groups trying to defuse a situation defending?


why don't you actually read the quote


"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said.

"These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:19 pm

gelico wrote:
Thor wrote:

It meant something different to you, as again how is singing between two groups trying to defuse a situation defending?


why don't you actually read the quote


"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said.

"These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

I have read the quote, now show me where it says he is going to defend them?

Why dont you use videos that are not from someone clearly prejudice, insult a war vet, saying they have stinky breath

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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:22 pm

Thor wrote:
gelico wrote:

why don't you actually read the quote


"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said.

"These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey and I stood in between them [/size]and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

I have read the quote, now show me where it says he is going to defend them?

Why dont you use videos that are not from someone clearly prejudice, insult a war vet, saying they have stinky breath


"These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:24 pm

gelico wrote:
Thor wrote:

I have read the quote, now show me where it says he is going to defend them?

Why dont you use videos that are not from someone clearly prejudice, insult a war vet, saying they have stinky breath


"These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

Again where does it saying he was defending them?

Standing between someone is defending neither side, but standing between them


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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:29 pm

Thor wrote:
gelico wrote:


"These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

Again where does it saying he was defending them?

Standing between someone is defending neither side, but standing between them


well what the fuck do you think his quote means then? the young men were beastly, the black dudes their prey, i mean FFS!

and he wasn't standing between them. he walked past the black dudes who had been spewing hate constantly for ages and went right in amongst the students and stood there.

but you know what didge, i get it

you now realise that you jumped on this way too soon and just lazily followed the MSM narrative like a good little sheep, now there is different footage you decide to act like a dick to derail things

usual tactic but i'm not playing




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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:33 pm

Marcus Frejo, a member of the Pawnee and Seminole tribes who is also known as Chief Quese Imc, said he had been a part of the march and was among a small group of people remaining after the rally when the boisterous students began chanting slogans such as "Make America great" and then began doing the haka, a traditional Maori dance.

In a phone interview, Frejo told The Associated Press he felt they were mocking the dance and also heckling a couple of black men nearby. He approached the group with Phillips to defuse the situation, joining him in singing the anthem from the American Indian Movement and beating out the tempo on hand drums.

Although he feared a mob mentality that could turn ugly, Frejo said he was at peace singing among the scorn and he briefly felt something special happen as they repeatedly sang the tune.

"They went from mocking us and laughing at us to singing with us. I heard it three times," Frejo said. "That spirit moved through us, that drum, and it slowly started to move through some of those youths."

Eventually a calm fell over the group of students and they broke up and walked away.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/latest-diocese-apologizes-students-actions-223620752.html



So there is more evidence from another Native Indian and who admits they did later after mocking join in singing.

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Post by phildidge on Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:37 pm

gelico wrote:
Thor wrote:

Again where does it saying he was defending them?

Standing between someone is defending neither side, but standing between them


well what the fuck do you think his quote means then?  the young men were beastly, the black dudes their prey, i mean FFS!

and he wasn't standing between them.  he walked past the black dudes who had been spewing hate constantly for ages and went right in amongst the students and stood there.

but you know what didge, i get it

you now realise that you jumped on this way too soon and just lazily followed the MSM narrative like a good little sheep,  now there is different footage you decide to act like a dick to derail things

usual tactic but i'm not playing




Well clearly they were beastly wearing said hats, mocking the Haka andf taking the piss mocking the Indians

You call me a sheep?

Lol

I am not acting like a dick and the same video still shows those kids acting like little shits

That is beyond dispute

Its beyond dispute they surrounded him

The mocked him

Those are the facts and those little shits are now in  big trouble

So no way am I am in the wrong or believe so

I am not derailing anything and not going to be forced by some Trump worshiper who thinks I should buy her clear subconcious racial bias and I have to bow down to this. Not a rats chance, as its you still excusing their behaviour. The other footage still does not excuse how they acted and you trying to excuse this what is inherantly wrong. He saw kids being very rowdy, of which they were, many wearing said Trump supporting hats. Considering you are not on the end of such hate in America, how do you know how that makes people feel?
Seriously?

What ever excuses you continue to make, they still surrounded him and mocked them

Those are the facts

There is no excuse for that

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"They were in the process of attacking these four black individuals," Phillip said. "I was there and I was witnessing all of this ... As this kept on going on and escalating, it just got to a point where you do something or you walk away, you know? You see something that is wrong and you're faced with that choice of right or wrong."

The crowd of students, some of whom wore MAGA caps, mocked Native Americans while chanting "Build the Wall" and using derogatory language, he said. The students had a "mob mentality" that "was scary," Phillips said. "It was ugly, what these kids were involved in. It was racism. It was hatred. It was scary."

Speaking from his niece's home, Phillips said: "I'm a Marine Corps veteran and I know what that mob mentality can be like. That's where it was at. It got to a point where they just needed something for them to ... just tear them apart. I mean, it was that ugly."

Phillips said he recalled "the looks in these young men's faces ... I mean, if you go back and look at the lynchings that was done (in America) ...and you'd see the faces on the people ... The glee and the hatred in their faces, that's what these faces looked like."


He was wrong. The kids were not the problem there that day and they sure as hell weren't acting like a lynch mob.

The video evidence of the boys actions towards the black hate group paint a much different picture.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:24 am

Maddog wrote:"They were in the process of attacking these four black individuals," Phillip said. "I was there and I was witnessing all of this ... As this kept on going on and escalating, it just got to a point where you do something or you walk away, you know? You see something that is wrong and you're faced with that choice of right or wrong."

The crowd of students, some of whom wore MAGA caps, mocked Native Americans while chanting "Build the Wall" and using derogatory language, he said. The students had a "mob mentality" that "was scary," Phillips said. "It was ugly, what these kids were involved in. It was racism. It was hatred. It was scary."

Speaking from his niece's home, Phillips said: "I'm a Marine Corps veteran and I know what that mob mentality can be like. That's where it was at. It got to a point where they just needed something for them to ... just tear them apart. I mean, it was that ugly."

Phillips said he recalled "the looks in these young men's faces ... I mean, if you go back and look at the lynchings that was done (in America) ...and you'd see the faces on the people ... The glee and the hatred in their faces, that's what these faces looked like."


He was wrong. The kids were not the problem there that day and they sure as hell weren't acting like a lynch mob.

The video evidence of the boys actions towards the black hate group paint a much different picture.    


what an outright pack of lies

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Post by phildidge on Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:25 am

Maddog wrote:"They were in the process of attacking these four black individuals," Phillip said. "I was there and I was witnessing all of this ... As this kept on going on and escalating, it just got to a point where you do something or you walk away, you know? You see something that is wrong and you're faced with that choice of right or wrong."

The crowd of students, some of whom wore MAGA caps, mocked Native Americans while chanting "Build the Wall" and using derogatory language, he said. The students had a "mob mentality" that "was scary," Phillips said. "It was ugly, what these kids were involved in. It was racism. It was hatred. It was scary."

Speaking from his niece's home, Phillips said: "I'm a Marine Corps veteran and I know what that mob mentality can be like. That's where it was at. It got to a point where they just needed something for them to ... just tear them apart. I mean, it was that ugly."

Phillips said he recalled "the looks in these young men's faces ... I mean, if you go back and look at the lynchings that was done (in America) ...and you'd see the faces on the people ... The glee and the hatred in their faces, that's what these faces looked like."


He was wrong. The kids were not the problem there that day and they sure as hell weren't acting like a lynch mob.

The video evidence of the boys actions towards the black hate group paint a much different picture.    

Whether you believe he is wrong or not

How does that excuse the actions of the kids towards the Indians?

They mocked and laughed at them and surrounded them

Again there is no excuse

How you and Gelico still looked to excuse their actions, when again they are in fact representing their school. Is beyond belief

Nobody is deny they were racially and homphobically abused by those Black supremacists. Of which again they should be exposed and condemned

All that is irrelevant to how they acted towards the Native indians singing a traditional song and if you watch Nathan he stands for some time in between both groups.

Those kids should know better and I can understand them gettiung angry at the Black supremacists, but again there is no excuse with the Native Indians.

That is a fact and why no doubt some will rightly be expelled

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Post by Maddog on Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:29 am

Thor wrote:
Maddog wrote:"They were in the process of attacking these four black individuals," Phillip said. "I was there and I was witnessing all of this ... As this kept on going on and escalating, it just got to a point where you do something or you walk away, you know? You see something that is wrong and you're faced with that choice of right or wrong."

The crowd of students, some of whom wore MAGA caps, mocked Native Americans while chanting "Build the Wall" and using derogatory language, he said. The students had a "mob mentality" that "was scary," Phillips said. "It was ugly, what these kids were involved in. It was racism. It was hatred. It was scary."

Speaking from his niece's home, Phillips said: "I'm a Marine Corps veteran and I know what that mob mentality can be like. That's where it was at. It got to a point where they just needed something for them to ... just tear them apart. I mean, it was that ugly."

Phillips said he recalled "the looks in these young men's faces ... I mean, if you go back and look at the lynchings that was done (in America) ...and you'd see the faces on the people ... The glee and the hatred in their faces, that's what these faces looked like."


He was wrong. The kids were not the problem there that day and they sure as hell weren't acting like a lynch mob.

The video evidence of the boys actions towards the black hate group paint a much different picture.    

Whether you believe he is wrong or not

How does that excuse the actions of the kids towards the Indians?

They mocked and laughed at them and surrounded them

Again there is no excuse

How you and Gelico still looked to excuse their actions, when again they are in fact representing their school. Is beyond belief

Nobody is deny they were racially and homphobically abused by those Black supremacists. Of which again they should be exposed and condemned

All that is irrelevant to how they acted towards the Native indians singing a traditional song and if you watch Nathan he stands for some time in between both groups.

Those kids should know better and I can understand them gettiung angry at the Black supremacists, but again  there is no excuse with the Native Indians.

That is a fact and why no doubt some will rightly be expelled

Night

Nathan was wrong and you can tell by the way he described those kids, that he was taking an adversarial position against them. He was not being neutral, when he describes the kids the way he did. They felt attacked by him and the retaliated like kids do.

He wasn't a peacemaker, he was a shit stirrer.

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Post by phildidge on Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:33 am

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:

Whether you believe he is wrong or not

How does that excuse the actions of the kids towards the Indians?

They mocked and laughed at them and surrounded them

Again there is no excuse

How you and Gelico still looked to excuse their actions, when again they are in fact representing their school. Is beyond belief

Nobody is deny they were racially and homphobically abused by those Black supremacists. Of which again they should be exposed and condemned

All that is irrelevant to how they acted towards the Native indians singing a traditional song and if you watch Nathan he stands for some time in between both groups.

Those kids should know better and I can understand them gettiung angry at the Black supremacists, but again  there is no excuse with the Native Indians.

That is a fact and why no doubt some will rightly be expelled

Night

Nathan was wrong and you can tell by the way he described those kids, that he was taking an adversarial position against them. He was not being neutral, when he describes the kids the way he did. They felt attacked by him and the retaliated like kids do.

He wasn't a peacemaker, he was a shit stirrer.    

I dont think his views on the kids are wrong if they were chanting build the wall and make america great again

He was a peacemaker, he sang a song, how is that shit stirring, when we now have an increase in racial tension since Trump became President?

Lovely how people treat Vets, singing a traditonal songs think this is shit stirring

Its why your country is going to shit and heading for mass civil strife due to Trump

To claim they felt he attacked them singing a song moving forward, shows you really have youer full racial blinkers now on

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Post by phildidge on Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:38 am

And the only thing that matters now, is what the school think

Those kids represented the school and if you think that kind of behaviour is good for a school or mocking a man singing. Then again, you are simple showing to me what is wrong with the mentality of people today

You both thought their behaviour was poor and now change this soleyly based on how some vile black supremacists acted and how Nathan viewd the actions of the kids.

That still will never excuse how the kids acted and yet you are both using that as an excuse for kids to mock a native Indian

Racism it seems is alive and well, sadly.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:44 am

Thor wrote:And the only thing that matters now, is what the school think

Those kids represented the school and if you think that kind of behaviour is good for a school or mocking a man singing. Then again, you are simple showing to me what is wrong with the mentality of people today

You both thought their behaviour was poor and now change this soleyly based on how some vile black supremacists acted and how Nathan viewd the actions of the kids.

That still will never excuse how the kids acted and yet you are both using that as an excuse for kids to mock a native Indian

Racism it seems is alive and well, sadly.

They were mocking someone that they felt were attacking them. You mock people on here when you think they are attacking you.

The school has far more information today (we all do), and I'm sure their punishment will reflect all of that new information, even if you refuse to accept that the new information dramatically changes the whole story.

Why are you incapable of changing your mind when presented with new evidence?

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And the only proof that they said "build the wall" is from a guy who thinks they were a wild eyed lynch mob. He might not be a very reliable source.

Did you see anything to suggest those kids were about to attack those 4 black guys?

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Post by phildidge on Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:50 am

Maddog wrote:And the only proof that they said "build the wall" is from a guy who thinks they were a wild eyed lynch mob. He might not be a very reliable source.

Did you see anything to suggest those kids were about to attack those 4 black guys?

All irrrlevant and missing the point

What does any of that matter, based on how they did mock him?

Seriously

If he viewed the situation wrong as you claim, what does that matter in regards to how they were mocking him.

They certainly did mock him

That is beyond dispute

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:51 am

Maddog wrote:And the only proof that they said "build the wall" is from a guy who thinks they were a wild eyed lynch mob. He might not be a very reliable source.

Did you see anything to suggest those kids were about to attack those 4 black guys?


2 hours of FB footage shows there were no chants to build the wall

it also shows the 4 black guys verbally attacking the kids continuously i mean come on, grown men abusing 17 year old school kids

phillips walks past the abusers and walks into the crowd of kids deliberately and bangs and chants

kids are clearly bemused, amused and behave like, well like school kids do

phillips says they were hate filled mob ready to attack him at any given moment

trying to make out he did something brave and noble

FFS! the lying punk is cringe worthy embarrassing man

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Post by phildidge on Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:53 am

Maddog wrote:
Thor wrote:And the only thing that matters now, is what the school think

Those kids represented the school and if you think that kind of behaviour is good for a school or mocking a man singing. Then again, you are simple showing to me what is wrong with the mentality of people today

You both thought their behaviour was poor and now change this soleyly based on how some vile black supremacists acted and how Nathan viewd the actions of the kids.

That still will never excuse how the kids acted and yet you are both using that as an excuse for kids to mock a native Indian

Racism it seems is alive and well, sadly.

They were mocking someone that they felt were attacking them. You mock people on here when you think they are attacking you.

The school has far more information today (we all do), and I'm sure their punishment will reflect all of that new information, even if you refuse to accept that the new information dramatically changes the whole story.  

Why are you incapable of changing your mind when presented with new evidence?

How was he attacking them walking playing a drum. To then have them surround him and mock him?

So your excuse is they wrongly though he was attacking them, by singing a traditional song and that to you is justified retaliation to mock him?

How do you think that farcical point would stand up in a court of law?

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Seeng the crap that some of our resident racists have written over these last two pages,  it doesn't surprise me in the least that some of our more moderate members haven't been posting on here recently...

It's way past time that that the racist and neo-nazi apologists and trolls the likes of Tommy, gelico, Ragga' and Horatio reined in their white supremacist and self-entitled crappola..

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Outrage as non-Native youth wearing #MAGA hats taunt and disrespect Native elder - Page 4 Empty Re: Outrage as non-Native youth wearing #MAGA hats taunt and disrespect Native elder

Post by Guest on Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:12 am




There was far more than met the eye to the Covington Catholic story, but that didn’t stop the popular press from vilifying its students.
If you’re in a public place and someone starts heckling you, are you entitled to heckle back? How about if someone does something much worse than heckling you in a public place? What if that person in fact takes a drum up to you and starts banging it in your face? Are you entitled to heckle back? How about smirking? Are you allowed to smirk?

I think you are, even if you’re wearing a MAGA hat. Even if you’re an entitled brat. Even if you’re an entitled Catholic brat.

We’ll stipulate that the Catholic boys from a high school in Kentucky were a little obnoxious when an indigenous man named Nathan Phillips banged a drum at them in front of the Lincoln Memorial on Friday. But Phillips was being a lot more obnoxious. To put it another way, if you were minding your own business in a public place and someone came right up to you and put a drum up to your face and made a huge racket inches from your nose, would you be happy about it?

The kids from Covington Catholic High School in Covington, Ky., were ambassadors for causes much bigger than themselves: Catholicism and the right to life. As such, they should have comported themselves better than to jeer and do a tomahawk chop in front of Phillips. Ideally, the kids would have ignored him and walked away. Until about ten minutes ago, it was broadly agreed in our culture that kids are allowed to do some dumb things because they’re kids. Should these kids’ lives be ruined because some of them responded to obnoxious provocation by being a bit rude themselves? I’d say their reaction was if anything more restrained than you would expect from teenagers. I’d advise them to do better next time. I certainly wouldn’t consider expulsion.

Phillips, on the other hand, is an adult, and he repeatedly lied about what happened to the Washington Post, which was utterly taken in by him and reported everything he said uncritically.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/nathan-phillips-lied-the-media-bought-it/

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